Guest View By A Fan of Kreuk
If Kristin Kreuk was used as recruiting material for NXIVM, she sucked at it.
I used to frequent her forums quite a bit several years ago (more so than today), and I can tell you almost all of her fans despised her association with NXIVM and made their opinion known by posting about it.
Even when her website, “Girls By Design,” was still around, most of the girls who she came to know didn’t want anything to do with NXIVM.
The only person I think she successfully recruited, as a long term participant, would be Allison Mack, and Allison made her own bed, which had nothing to do with Kristin.
Also, I think it is pretty clear that Kristin doesn’t believe in a polyamorous lifestyle (being in at least two long term monogamous relationships), nor did she find the statutory rape allegations against Keith Raniere something worthy of a so-called ethical leader. I’m basing this conclusion on a recent article here: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/television/2017/12/09/i-never-felt-safe-on-set-canadian-actors-on-changing-the-culture-of-harassment.html.
In it she says the following:
And she says the culture is changing as well. “Being female, the minute I was 14 or 15 years old, it starts by being bugged on the street the minute you hit puberty by adult men when you are so clearly a child,” Kreuk says.
“So it starts happening when you’re so young. And as I grew up I started to believe that it was part of my job to handle that. And going into the industry that it was normal.
So, from these words alone, it is obvious to me, at least, that Kristin would find the notion that Raniere manipulated a 12 year old girl who he was tutoring into having sex with him when he was around 30 years old rather appalling.
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Maybe Kreuk will speak to Catherine Oxenberg: http://people.com/books/catherine-oxenberg-book-daughter-nxivm/
Kristin is perfectly within her rights to stay quiet regarding this. Everyone involved here are adults and had freedom of choice in their actions. If there are any instances of underage coercion she had knowledge of, that would be the only exception. That exception also applying to anyone else who had knowledge.
And p.s, KK was not a “proud recruiter.” What a bunch of nonsense. She was low-level and only brought in about 3 people. And only 1 of the 3 stayed.
This is awesome–Kreuk only recruited three people? She was in the organization for years and only got three people to join? Yeah right.
No one is saying that Kreuk is as culpable as Raniere, just that if she’s willing to denounce Weinstein for treating women horribly, why isn’t she talking about the cult she was involved in, now that the branding story has come out?
Yeah, apparently it’s right. Didn’t I say she sucked at it? I know of only two of them, Allison and Kendra Voth, her friend and partner in Girls By Design who no longer is in it. No one is good at everything. Also, Kristin was directly asked about Harvey Weinstein in an interview and she gracefully responded. She didn’t broach him out of the blue and just start talking about him.
All the speculation about Kristen is useless. Everything is hearsay, and even if someone does have real information on her, this is not the place to share it. People can write whatever they want in an anon forum, there is no way to know how accurate their information is.
For all we know, if she was deeply involved in NXIVM , law enforcement may have asked her not to talk,or she may be afraid to talk.
She wasn’t around when that crap happened. And yeah it is true! I saw the list of everyone who was recruited into the group and who recruited who. I didn’t just make that number up.
Kristin doesn’t need to say anything. It’s not her “duty” or her job to say anything.
Since when does someone “have to” talk about something that they moved on from? Others that have chosen to come forward are literally “paying” the price. Her statement, if she were to give one, would just be tossed in the pile. Everyone is acting like if she speaks about Keith that he will somehow be brought to justice and or every girl thinking of joining or already involved will opt out-that’s ridiculous. Kristin does not have as much knowledge as other members, she left years ago. If she did speak about it, there wouldn’t be much to say.
I personally think Sarah’s testimonially is far more damaging to Keith and NXIVM then anything KK could offer up.
This is nothing but a frivolous witch hunt and clear bias to put KK in bad light.
Everyone needs to stop and get over it. KK has nothing to do with NXIVM anymore, PERIOD!
And p.s, KK was not a “proud recruiter.” What a bunch of nonsense. She was low-level and only brought in about 3 people. And only 1 of the 3 stayed.
Whether or not she knew specifically about DOS is moot. What about the sexual manipulation, Raniere’s history of bedding underage girls, the starvation diets, the legal terrorism, all the stuff that WAS going on when Kreuk was involved? She recruited Allison Mack into NXIVM and Mack went from being a successful actress to where she is today. Kreuk isn’t obligated to speak, but her silence speaks volumes. She is more concerned with her reputation and career than she is for helping a destructive cult gain prominence. It seems she’ll speak out on a variety of causes, including women’s causes, but wants to keep her head down and fly under the radar on what was probably the biggest mistake of her life, a mistake that cost people their livelihoods, sanity and even families. She may not have known all the inner workings, but she was in pretty deep and learned enough to bail years ago. But again, she’s not obligated to speak out, and if she’d just like to put it all behind her and do nothing to help those that she has hurt, that’s her choice but it also says alot about her character and her humanity (or lack thereof).
“What about the sexual manipulation, Raniere’s history of bedding underage girls, the starvation diets, the legal terrorism, all the stuff that WAS going on when Kreuk was involved?”
None of that stuff was publicly known. The sexual manipulation came to be known after the big nine left in 2009, which is around the time that Susan Dones said Kristin left in the Hollywood Life article. The bedding of underage girls wasn’t exposed until the 2012 Times Union article. The starvation diets are part of DOS. The “legal terrorism” was wrapped in the milieu control of misinformation of destructive acts against the company. There may have been rumors to various things, but once you’re in a cult, the milieu control makes it easier for you to dismiss them.
I think you’re just pulling things out of your ass.
“She recruited Allison Mack into NXIVM”
Yes she did.
“and Mack went from being a successful actress to where she is today.”
What made Allison what she is today are those who manipulated her within the cult and her own choices. Kristin served no more than an “efficient” cause to bring her into the group.
“Kreuk isn’t obligated to speak,”
No she’s not.
“but her silence speaks volumes.”
No it doesn’t. It says nothing at all except what you project onto it.
” She is more concerned with her reputation and career than she is for helping a destructive cult gain prominence.”
What a loaded BS statement. I’m sure she cares about her reputation and career. Most people do. That’s probably one of the reasons why she left in the first place. And she hardly helped a “destructive cult gain prominence”. She’s way down on the list to have any such influence on it whatsoever. I’ve previously asked how many people she brought into the cult and what direct measurable impact she had on its growth and all I’ve heard is crickets.
“It seems she’ll speak out on a variety of causes, including women’s causes,”
Whatever is important to her.
” but wants to keep her head down and fly under the radar on what was probably the biggest mistake of her life, a mistake that cost people their livelihoods, sanity and even families.”
Another loaded BS statement that is in the same vein as the previous one. This attempt at guilt to make her own personal mistake into a causative factor in the costing “people livelihoods, sanity, and even families” is beyond hyperbole and has no basis.
“She may not have known all the inner workings, but she was in pretty deep and learned enough to bail years ago.”
“Pretty deep”? What does that mean? She was a coach that reached the level of yellow sash. That’s like a yellow belt in Karate which is insignificant. There is no evidence whatsoever she had anything to do with the inner core. Also, you have no idea what caused her to bail. It could have been she got as much as she wanted out of it and wanted to focus more on her career.
“But again, she’s not obligated to speak out,”
Nope.
” and if she’d just like to put it all behind her and do nothing to help those that she has hurt, that’s her choice but it also says alot about her character and her humanity (or lack thereof).”
LOL. You’re still on the the loaded language BS I see.
I’m sensing a lot of ulterior motives here in attempts such as these to get Kristin to speak out against NXIVM. I wonder why.
Kristin wasn’t involved when that crap was happening. So everything you are saying is speculative. And it pisses me off that people keep acting like KK is the bad guy when she’s not. AM is an adult and made her own choice. KK didn’t force her to join.
KK doesn’t have to say anything. And her silence doesn’t make her selfish. Have you seen what has happened to the women who have spoken up about it? The one girl is completely bankrupt. KK hasn’t been a part of NXIVM for many years now and her speaking up would be pointless. It’s not going to change anything.
People need to stop dragging her into something she is no longer a part of it. It’s ridiculous.
KK is a wonderful carying person-I know from personal experience. So you and everyone else who wants to put her on the chopping block can go take your pitch-forks somewhere else.
Keith is the bad guy! Not her!
“What is Kristin going to do that she hasn’t done? She’s not that famous. She’s not influential.”
Oh my, the shade is real :):) Look, I don’t expect Kreuk to make a citizen’s arrest, just to speak out. Even if she wanted to simply say that when she knew Raniere, he didn’t brand women. I just want some acknowledgement that Kreuk realizes she was involved in a shady organization and that she regrets getting other people involved in the cult as well. I don’t think that’s asking too much from someone who was a former recruiter for the cult that is now known for hurting women.
I’m not sure why Kristin’s voice is so important to you in this whole situation since she’s been long gone from it, but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree. Kristin seems to me to be one someone who shies away from controversy, who is private in her personal life, and wants to do work that is important to her without bringing a whole lot of drama to the latter. I’ve never spoken to her face to face although I wish I could. Nevertheless I’m sure (as much as can be said from one who had followed her for years as a fan) she doesn’t agree with the branding of women to put it mildly, and I’m sure she regrets on some level of getting Allison involved by bringing her to NXIVM to take a course due to what it has become NOW. She was only what is said in Aristotelian metaphysics – the “efficient” cause – motivated by the MLM business structure of NXIVM which presses its participants to recruit others, with the “final” cause of helping Allison, i.e., she had nothing but good intentions. Everything else after the fact has been Allison’s own doing even if she is also a victim on some level of Keith Raniere and his cult. I’m sure Kristin didn’t recruit with the intention that several years down the road, the leader would create a slave group of branded women to control for his own personal and sexual gratification. So, I don’t see the point of what Kristin’s voice will lend to this situation since she is so far removed from the actual happenings of DOS.
I will avoid the issue of whether Kristin K should speak out on Raniere or can remain silent….
But…
I am surprised she has yet to be asked by the media.
NXIVM has become an international story (tho smaller than other sex scandals) and KK is meeting the press hyping her TV show,,,and yet no one has asked her!
Yes, she was long gone from NXIVM when DOS happened, but she worked with, was friends with, and recruited the female head of DOS….so her opinion seems like a logical question for the media to ask someone in the public eye.
I can only surmise that the Canadian media has decided KK is too nice a person to be dragged to the forefront of this scandal that happened without her involvement…and maybe they are right.
To me, this is just like people who are denouncing Woody Allen and talking about their regret for working with him. If she didn’t know how horrible Raniere was when she was recruiting for his cult, Kreuk is now completely aware of the branding and other abuses and she should denounce ever knowing him and working for him..
Why are you so obsessed with a celebrity denouncing VanDouche? What is she going to do? Catherine Oxenberg is a former actress and celebrity (she also has royal blood) who is closer to the situation and has come out and done what she can for her daughter both in many different outlets in the media and by meeting with authorities in New York. What is Kristin going to do that she hasn’t done? She’s not that famous. She’s not influential. She wasn’t victimized with branding like Sara Edmondson. She’s just an actress whose connection to the group was long ago and no longer exists.
VanDouche needs to be legally indicted by the authorities not be condemned by celebrities who can’t do anything.
Such a classic mean girl response: why are so obsessed with KK? No one is obsessed with her, I know I’d like to see some emotional courage and realization that she was involved with a bad guy. Maybe he wasn’t abusive to her, but she now knows he’s been abusive to other women and she should be appalled that she was ever involved in his organization. I don’t think that’s a lot to ask for.
I didn’t ask why are you so obsessed with KK. I said why are you “so obsessed with a celebrity denouncing VanDouche”? What does it matter what one particular celebrity says concerning him? Does it make it different than what normal people have come out and said? Other celebrities have already denounced him like Sara Edmondson and Catherine Oxenberg. Is it because Kristin is slightly more well known? Does that give her more authority or weight in what she says? The negative news is already all across the world and supposedly Kristin left around eight years ago. What relevance does she have to DOS and the current state of events?
Also, I don’t know what it means by she was involved with a bad guy. Apparently, she took and coached some courses. There are plenty of groups out there that teach the same type of self-improvement courses. Cults hide behind behind organizational fronts. Not everyone in a group is in the cult, and not everyone more involved knows what goes on at the deeper layers. There is no evidence that Miss Kreuk was ever involved in the latter.
Maybe she quit because she thought she learned all she could. Maybe she quit because she wanted to focus on acting. Maybe VanDouche tried to sexually harass her into sleeping with him and she was disgusted by smelly guy and left. Maybe she just felt like leaving. Who cares? It seems obvious to me that she doesn’t support it.
VanDouche is the issue. Not some celebrity who left a long time ago.
I didn’t ask why are you so obsessed with KK. I said why are you “so obsessed with a celebrity denouncing VanDouche”? What does it matter what one particular celebrity says concerning him? Does it make it different than what normal people have come out and said? Other celebrities have already denounced him like Sara Edmondson and Catherine Oxenberg. Is it because Kristin is slightly more well known? Does that give her more authority or weight in what she says? The negative news is already all across the world and supposedly Kristin left around eight years ago. What relevance does she have to DOS and the current state of events?
Also, I don’t know what it means by she was involved with a bad guy. Apparently, she took and coached some courses. There are plenty of groups out there that teach the same type of self-improvement courses. Cults hide behind behind organizational fronts. Not everyone in a group is in the cult, and not everyone more involved knows what goes on at the deeper layers. There is no evidence that Miss Kreuk was ever involved in the latter.
Maybe she quit because she thought she learned all she could. Maybe she quit because she wanted to focus on acting. Maybe VanDouche tried to sexually harass her into sleeping with him and she was disgusted by smelly guy and left. Maybe she just felt like leaving. Who cares? It seems obvious to me that she doesn’t support it.
VanDouche is the issue. Not some celebrity who left a long time ago.
I think if you know a cult is harmful in any way, shape or form, it is our duty as human beings to stop others from joining it and to stop the perpetrators from hurting others..
Perhaps Kreuk didn’t know about the DOS/Sex slave part of it, but she does know how massively expensive the “classes” are–the tuition is even higher then Ivy League colleges and the “Institution” isn’t even an accredited university–and that should be broadcasted everywhere. Also, the fact that making a recruitment quota is required in order for the ESP coaches, which is what Kreuk was, to get paid, speaks of unfair labor practices that’s also borderline extortion and that should also to be investigated.
In short, there are many unsavory aspects to this “organization” that Kreuk could easily speak about and make known and the fact that she is keeping quiet worries me.
Expensive classes and recruitment quotas aren’t against the law. Kristin isn’t a social justice activist. She’s an actress who took and coached courses in an MLM human potential organization that she thought benefited herself (thought reformed notion of a dubious betterment notwithstanding) and could have benefited others. The authorities who are funded by tax payer dollars and are supposed to do something haven’t done anything at all. This idea that it is somehow Kristin’s burden or cross to bear in any way holds little water. She seems to have moved on with her life long ago.
I understand being a fan of Kristin Kreuk’s and wanting to defend her but there really isn’t any defense. She was a member of the cult and a proud recruiter for years–that can’t be denied.–and then for whatever reason, she decided to leave the cult. Something obviously happened to make her leave and I for one want to know what it was. If it’s that she learned of Keith’s darker proclivities then she should be speaking out against him, especially if she’d learned of the branding/sex slaves. There has now been a mainstream news story about “Vanguard” and the DOS and Kreuk still hasn’t denounced Raniere and I think that’s a major problem.
Yes, she was a member. Was she a proud recruiter? I don’t even know what that means. How many people did she allegedly bring into the group? Was she out there cheer-leading for it to bring others into a cult, or did she just bring them into an organization like its MLM structure requests of them to in order to take, or coach them in, courses which she thought benefited her and wanted to help others with? According to Susan Dones, she allegedly left shortly after the 2009 time frame, so 2009, 2010, or 2011 at the most, well before DOS was formed. I don’t know why people think it is “required” of her to speak out about an involvement that is tenuous at best to the current state of affairs. She could have known nothing about the internal machinations of the inner core and just left because she saw it was taking too much of her time and wanted to focus on her career. Not everyone associated with a cult is actually involved in its inner core. That is how cults are structured. Even top level proctors Mark Vicente didn’t know anything about DOS until last year.
Frank was also hired by NXIVM and was trusted to save the financial investment of the Bronfmans and increase positive PR for the group. He probably dealt with the Bronfmans and Keith more than Kristin ever did. Whether people choose to speak out or not is up to them. Maybe if she was directly asked about it in some interview or by authorities she would say something. But if she did nothing wrong, then why would she have to broach anything just because she had some connection long ago? Especially when it comes to a group that seems to use excessive litigation as a form of harassment.
Sorry, but I see no real rationale for her to say anything.
I don’t know if it is me defending her per se. It is just me analyzing the information from a third person fan perspective who has no personal insight into her life, and making a judgement based off of what I’ve come to know of her over the years through interviews and articles via my mind and my gut. I think Kristin is one of the most attractive women I’ve seen, and she seems to be smart and has a good heart too that wants to help people. From what I can also assess of what “the data” says about Raniere’s preferences in women – beautiful, naturally skinny (although I think she’s more fit than skinny), brunette, long haired, etc. – she certainly would have been a number one target on his “sex slave” list. I believe she was raised too well and too conservatively to find such a lifestyle anything but gross. If you ask me, Raniere finds some “inner joy” in being able to manipulate and corrupt these type of women. Sure, he has his “flying monkeys” as someone who has posted here has pejoratively described them to be, but they too were once manipulated to be so far gone so to speak.