He Guessed. Fisher Nodded. Sandusky Went to Prison.

March 21, 2026

By Orson Voss

A jury convicted Sandusky of abusing ten boys. Eight of those 10 boys testified in the courtroom to confront Sandusky.

There were two boys whom the prosecution couldn’t locate. Only God knows where they are. Or who they are. 

Eight victims dared to testify against the atrocity. They received compensation from Penn State ranging from $1.5 million to $20 million each.

Innocence lost?

None of the eight victims who testified were boys when they testified. They were adult men at the time who recalled abuse when they were teens. And so when they got thier money, maybe the did not spend it wisely.

Eight men testified that Jerry Sandusky abused them and the awards they got from Penn State

Do not criticize them for spending their money on fast cars, drugs, and gambling. If one knows anything about victims, one would know that these boys came from poverty and did not know how to manage their millions. 

In their grief and depression, they spent it all trying to forget what Sandusky had done. Now that the money is gone, they have two bitter memories – Sandusky’s abuse and the memory of having been millionaires no more.

It would have been almost better had their attorneys not arranged for them to have repressed memory therapists bring back the memories of Sandusky abuse they forgot.  But it was necessary to stop this serial predator from his 40-year run in this small community.

Fisher Remembers

Of the eight, Aaron Fisher—’Victim Number One’—stands out as a hero. He was only 18 when he testified at Sandusky’s criminal trial that Sandusky performed oral sex on him when he was 13-15 years old, when he went to stay in the basement of Sandusky’s house.

 It is unfair that Penn State paid him only $7.5 million when some of the other victims got more money. Without Fisher, none of the others would have made any money whatsoever. All of them had forgotten Sandusky had abused them. Fisher led the way with two years of repressed recovered memory therapy to remember.

The others remembered quicker once he led the way.

At age 15, Fisher did not remember Sandusky had abused him for three years ending just a month earlier. He told his mother that Sandusky, who had been a mentor through his charity to thousands of boys, never abused him. He had buried the memories. But his mother brought him to Mike Gillum, a memory therapist.

Over six months of therapy, Gillum guided Fisher into the deeper layers of the mind, which he compared to peeling away the layers like an onion, where Fisher began to recall the horrible abuse Sandusky had done to him just months before.

The Gillum Method

People do not understand what Mike Gillum accomplished or how much it took.

Gillum explained his approach plainly. “If I’m lucky, they just acknowledge spontaneously without too much prodding.” 

When that didn’t happen, he asked yes or no questions. He compared it to a children’s game — Hide the Button. You get warmer. You get colder. The patient simply nods when you’re close.

Fisher confirmed how it worked.

“As long as I told him that something happened, I didn’t need to go into any detail. I just needed to tell him if something sexual happened, like touching or oral sex, and he would ask me so all I had to do was say yes or no.”

This was the mercy of it. Fisher never had to find words for unspeakable things. Gillum found the words. Fisher confirmed them.

“I was very blunt with him when I asked questions,” Gillum said, “but gave him the ability to answer with a yes or a no. That relieved him of a lot of burden.”

Gillum was honest about his method. “Although they give me information, they don’t feel held accountable because I’m guessing. But my guesses are educated.”

Educated guesses. Yes or no. A nod. That is how a predator was stopped

Mother and Money

Fisher’s mother, a woman of steely resolve, knew her son needed more than therapeutic help. She sought the services of one of the finest civil attorneys, Slade McLaughlin, who helped the boy realize that while nothing can take the pain away from the abuse he had buried in the onion-like layers of the mind, the addition of millions (minus a third for Slade), would go a long way toward healing.

Sadly, the money was unable to heal the terrible trauma. After testifying against Sandusky, he collected his millions. He went on an unhealthy spree, buying expensive cars and indulging in excesses with fast, greedy women who took him for lots of cash. He blew through his money.

 His mother, a noble lady, made plans to secure her own financial future. But she, too, was left destitute after she was taken advantage of by a gigolo.

The Suicidal Attorney

As for Slade, the attorney, the pioneer who helped launch the case that ended Sandusky’s career as a predator, he was overcome with the sorrows of his victim clients and took his own life. Despite the millions he made, he somehow could not overcome the burdens of his client’s misery.

He had gotten millions for a false accuser of a priest, collected his third from the Church, and Slade felt bad that he had taken millions and destroyed the life of an innocent priest. In his guilt-stricken world, he might have believed that Fisher had made up the story and had sent another innocent man, Sandusky, to prison. 

But this was a terrible mindset, and it led him to suicide. We tried to explain to him during our many late-night calls that repressed memory recovery is real.

Dichotomy of Memory

Imagine Fisher, who was an unusually sexually active heterosexual teenage boy, forced to endure the vile predations of a man who should have been a mentor every weekend for three years.

 Fisher testified that Sandusky performed oral sex on him, and he had forgotten. Fisher pushed it out of his mind. He watched porn and had sex with girls.

He had made a list of 300 girls and women he had sex with during that period when Sandusky was abusing him. 

The sex he had with girls was during the weekdays because he went to visit Sandusky every weekend, he testified.

Imagine the conflicted youth.

During the week, he would have sex with teenage girls, which he would remember by writing down the names of the girls. Then he went to Sandusky’s house, and he would be forced to give Sandusky oral sex, and he did not remember it until the therapist and the lawyer helped him remember.

 

But for the work of Gillum, he might never have recalled what Sandusky did to him.

He thought he was just a healthy, sexually active heterosexual boy until Gillum peeled back the layers of the onion into the deeper unconscious. 

The Martyr Gillum

Gillum suffered for his pioneering work. No one appreciates a prophet in his own community. Gillum had hardly any clients before Fisher. He was forced into bankruptcy. When the county agreed to pay him $65 per hour for every hour he spent with Fisher, some people criticized him for using Fisher to get back on his feet.

But Gillum braved through. Gillum spent years with Fisher, sometimes daily and sometimes three times per week. 

It was not all about money.  To show the man’s generosity, when Gillum had the chance to get a book deal from his work to recover memories, he shared co-authorship with Fisher and his mom.

Read the book Silent No More – it is a masterpiece of how a therapist enters a patient’s mind and peels back the onionesque layers of memories of abuse that the patient would otherwise have forgotten.

Before Gillum drew them out, Fisher was a happy teenager. What you don’t remember can’t haunt you.

Bringing out repressed memories nearly destroyed this young man’s life. 

Fisher tried to commit suicide. He began to imagine people following him around. He got reckless and was involved in a car accident.

All the kids he knew from school and town who had given him the reputation as the town liar said it behind his back. Aaron is making this up for the money.

His neighbor Josh Fravel remembered how Fisher would brag that he was going to get a new jeep after he testified about Sandusky.

So when this happy-go-lucky kid, known as a liar, started to stop bragging and making things up, whose life took a real nose dive, some heartless people say it was guilt that haunted Fisher. They said that for once, he did not want to lie.

Sandusky, after all, had only helped the lad, even though Slade had promised he would be a millionaire, which would help the kid a lot more.

Hard Times

In the end, it was not easy.

Aaron had to go to the grand jury three times. The first time, he said Sandusky did not abuse him. The second time, he tried to get words out, but sadly, he collapsed on the floor in front of a room full of jurors, prosevutors and his disappointed therapist, Mike Gillum.

Then he vomited.

 Gillum offered to testify instead of Aaron in the third grand jury. After all, Gillum had been Aaron’s therapist. He knew about Aaron’s abuse better than Aaron did. 

Aaron would not have even remembered he was abused except for Gillum’s therapy.

But the prosecutors were worried that Sansuky would get some tricky lawyer and get the whole thing tossed out. They had to have Fisher.

Gillum came up with an idea. He would write out Fisher’s testimony, and then the prosecutors would read it and just ask him one question – is it true?

The third time, with Gillum right by his side and his faithful attorney Slade comforting his mother, assuring her that the family would get a chance at healing once Penn State made its payment, Fisher was able to nod his head and utter the word, “yes.”

And a predator was stopped,

 Then he held his head down and wept.

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Sheldon Lee Kociol
Sheldon Lee Kociol
18 days ago

Free Jerry Sandusky!!!

Asking
Asking
30 days ago
  • Clinical Justification: Any touch must be for your benefit—such as a reassuring hand on the shoulder during grief or a handshake—and never for the therapist’s own needs.
  • Absolute Prohibitions: Sexual, erotic, or violent touch is always unethical and often illegal.
  • Right to Refuse: You have the absolute right to refuse or stop any touch at any time.
Dirty Dick Raykovitz
Dirty Dick Raykovitz
30 days ago

When I touch you it will be in the shower at Penn State.

A psychologist must obtain your permission before any intentional touch.

Matt Sandusky
Matt Sandusky
30 days ago

 A little after my wife and I reconciled from our separation, we discovered she was pregnant. Although we were having marital problems, we were going through marriage therapy and I genuinely wanted to give it another try. I was, of course, over the moon about becoming a father. Things were starting to look up, until I discovered an ultrasound scan report which showed my wife was further along in the pregnancy than she told me. After a bitter, heated argument she confessed she conceived the baby with someone else while we were separated. She said she thought she was acting for the best because she knew I would be happy about the pregnancy. 

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Aaron was and is the town liar in whatever town he lives in.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

The Gillum Method section deserves to be required reading in every forensic psychology course in America. ‘Educated guesses. Yes or no. A nod.’ That sequence and its acceptability as a viable science should to be presented and explored to prevent future risk and exploitation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Trial of ex-Penn State football coach accused of rape pushed back to June

Jerry at: https://www.centredaily.com/news/local/crime/article315100259.html#storylink=cpy

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

The justice system is not equipped to deal with cases involving delayed or recovered memories. Read Pendergrast.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

“yes or no” memory coaching?

John Ziegler
John Ziegler
1 month ago

In my latest interview on the Sandusky case, I was asked when was the moment I knew for sure that Jerry Sandusky was innocent. I referenced the end of my second prison interview with him and his wife Dottie. I don’t think I’ve ever told this full story on camera before.

Frank you Suck prison time.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

A Pennsylvania man recently came forward… Claiming Jerry Sandusky started abusing boys long before the Mid-19-90’s.

He claims that Sandusky raped him- when Sandusky was just 22 years old.
“He kept repeating ‘real men don’t cry’. I kept telling him how bad it hurt; my stomach hurt awfully. He kept saying ‘real men don’t cry’ until I finally pushed backwards and he fell away from me.”

The man says the attack happened in a building Sandusky’s parents owned in Southwestern PA, and says the incident has haunted him his entire life.
Find out why he is just now ready to tell his story-more than 40 years later – Thursday night at 11 on WTAJ- Your News Leader.

Sheldon Lee Kociol
Sheldon Lee Kociol
21 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Big boys don’t cry is what my father would say when he entered me and I just bit the pillow as tears built in my eyes. Nathan told me his father said the same thing to him.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

I don’t think Jerry abused anyone. This is a shit case. How do the accusers like Fisher live with themselves?

Eggs
Eggs
1 month ago

Picture this: Aaron would use Mossy Oak bed sheet theme

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Millions in payouts, zero skepticism. Nice one Penn State. May your enrollmment decrease to zero.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

This is how you cover a case where everything is awful and everyone is compromised. You don’t moralize. You don’t editorialize. You just describe what happened and let the reader decide.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Sixty-five dollars an hour to recover memories of abuse from a happy kid who didn’t remember being abused. And we called this justice.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

As a parent I found this heartbreaking. Whatever the truth is, Aaron Fisher was a teenager. A child. And the adults around him — every single one of them — were working their own angles.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

This article raises serious questions about the reliability of recovered memories and whether they should play such a central role in criminal convictions.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Gillum’s approach raises a question: at what point does therapeutic guidance become suggestion?
Yes-or-no questioning reduces emotional burden? It risks narrowing responses into affirmation rather than independent recall.
Gillum was not seeking the truth he was coaching for dollars.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

The detail about Slade McLaughlin’s suicide and the priest is quietly the most horrifying paragraph in the piece.

Anonymous
Anonymous
27 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

That was right after the McChesney report came out. Not 100% convinced it was suicide. Besides, everyone in the world knew Gallagher was a liar- even his dad called BS on his priest stories. There’s no way McLaughlin just suddenly grew a conscience and ended it.
Ralph Cipriano pushes stories for people who knew and strongly disliked McLaughlin in real life, Frank should check that out.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Jerry needs an evidentiary hearing.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago
Anonymous
Anonymous
27 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I met McGettigan at an event at the Pyramid Club in Philadelphia a few years ago. No idea who he was while I was talking to him, but I exited the conversation because he gave off major creeper vibes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Some survivors were labeled as “liars” and blamed for the downfall of legendary coach Joe Paterno.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

The paradox at the heart of this piece — that bringing out a memory you didn’t have can be as destructive as the original act — is something our entire justice system refuses to reckon with. Voss reckons with it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Sandusky claimed his conviction was the result of a “well-orchestrated effort”. He specifically blamed “Victim 1” for starting what he called “alleged disgusting acts” and accused other victims of being “rewarded for forgetting, fabricating and exaggerating”.

Frank Parlato
Admin
30 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

That is exactly what happened.

Jello
Jello
30 days ago
Reply to  Frank Parlato

Bill Cosby said he didn’t know if he had sex or not. There for Bruce Castro paid to look away.

Anonymous
Anonymous
27 days ago
Reply to  Jello

Castor, different guy

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

He often used romantic language, writing, “Love never ends… I believe that it can overcome all things” and asking the victim to “cling to the genuine people over here”

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

At his sentencing hearing, Sandusky gave a rambling statement that included odd metaphors: He told the court, “I’ve been kissed by dogs, I’ve been bit by dogs… I’ve been to the mountain top… I’ve seen the valley of the shadow of death”.

Frank Parlato
Admin
30 days ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Show me the evidence of that.

Jello
Jello
30 days ago
Reply to  Frank Parlato

 In March 2026, the FBI announced that a Georgia resident named Bruce Castro was indicted in a massive fraud and sex trafficking scheme that targeted professional athletes.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

What strikes me most is the loneliness running through every paragraph. Fisher alone with his ‘memories.’ Gillum alone with his bankruptcy and his method. Slade alone with his guilt. The mother alone after the gigolo. Nobody in this story ends up with anyone. The money comes in and disperses and everyone is more alone than when they started. This is what evil intent does.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

I grew up in a town like this. You know who the liars are. You know who the heroes are. And sometimes — those are the same person. This author knows that.

Randy Tice
Randy Tice
1 month ago

Frank you lie I’m here. Why you lie is beyond god and myself. Only God knows where they are. Or who they are. 

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Finally. Someone said it straight.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

The American Psychological Association formally repudiated recovered memory therapy in 1995. Thirty years ago. Voss didn’t need to say that. He just showed you the method — the yes or no, the warm and cold, the educated guesses — and trusted you to do the math yourself.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Gillum’s conduct is outrageous and criminal. He’s the one who belongs in prison- not Sandusky.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

This is gibberish. What are you talking about.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

I’ve been reading about this case for years. I’ve read the transcripts, the PCRA filings, the civil complaints. This is the first piece that made me feel the tragedy of it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Recovered memory therapy destroyed hundreds of lives in the eighties and nineties. The courts eventually recognized that. Someone should ask why this case got a very different outcome.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

There’s a Dreiser quality to this — the flat declarative sentences, the money always in the room, the way no character escapes without being diminished by their own appetite. Voss is working in a tradition whether he knows it or not.

Anonymous
Anonymous
1 month ago

Voss never accuses. He lines up the facts in the right order and steps back. The facts do the strangling themselves.

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