Kevin Takes on Challengers: ‘If Raniere Harmed a Child He Belongs in Prison’

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Would Nicki endorse the part where I said that if Raniere ever touched an underage girl, he belongs in prison?

Or is your reading comprehension just garbage?

Anonymous

Kevin- Where did you go to school?

I grew up in a NYC suburb, and moved to Vancouver as a teenager after my parents divorced. I preferred Vancouver.

Rock Around The Block

So, Nicki, to summarize: do you think that Keith’s behavior, if it ever happened, can be excused, because pretty much everyone was either looking the other way, encouraging it or doing it themselves? There’s no doubt that cultural mores have changed a bit since the 80s, and that the pendulum has swung so far the other way that LGBTQ+ folks and liberals in general are equated with pedophiles by the loony right.

Where your argument falls flat on its face is:

1. Most people have always strongly disapproved of such practices, and were unaware of the extent of the problem then.

2. It takes time for lawmakers to enact legislation to address such problems and for law enforcement to put in place training and resources.

3. Just because other disgusting people were doing the same, don’t make it right for Raniere to do it. It’s like saying “he’s an evil bastard, but that’s OK, because there are other evil bastards too, so he’s not really that evil.”

Sorry, Nicki, but moral relativism, like everything else, has its limits.

The girls who you claim “were addicted to the power and authority that these men yielded” were more likely terrified by filing a complaint, because they wouldn’t be believed, and the perpetrators would then exact their revenge. Society was unaware of the problem and was in denial. It’s exactly the same in today’s society when it comes to rape. Your argument that “actual parenting” is wanting is a little rich, coming from someone who’s never been a parent.

Kevin

Negative. Please read again. Put your big boy thinking cap on. Pay close attention to the part where I make it clear that if Raniere touched an underage girl, he belongs in prison. That anyone who touched a kid belongs in prison.

My point is that people like you don’t really care about victims of sexual abuse when their stories can’t be used to push an agenda. Which is why the reaction to the Penn State scandal was “who’s going to coach the game on Saturday?”

That, and looking the other way at abuse for decades, and now pretending to be outraged by it, without examining the teachers, parents, and police who let it go on for decades.

Using the precedents set in the NXIVM case, any teacher who had any association with any other teacher who did these things should be indicted as a co-conspirator, retroactively, statute of limitations or level of knowledge or involvement be damned.

But since we’re talking about a mostly female profession with the strongest union in the country, probably not. The whole Helen Lovejoy “won’t someone PLEASE think of the children” line goes out the window when it comes to those people. Which means you never cared about the children in the first place.

They didn’t know, huh? The girls would brag about it in the middle of class, loud enough for everyone to hear. And every single adult who knew, well, they just didn’t understand the scope of the problem?

Whatever. The average virtue signaling, “Me too” goody goodies in the schools, police and media aren’t any different than the Bishops and Parrish directors who moved pedophile Priests around from diocese to diocese.

So selective and picky in our faux outrage and moral panics, aren’t we?

Moe

I’m guessing Kevin is a paedo.

Kevin

Put those reading comprehension skills to work. I made it clear that if Raniere harmed a child, he belongs in prison.

My point is that if teachers and other adults who did the same things or looked the other way we’re prosecuted as aggressively, that we’d have to double the prison population.

And I’m not the one who asked “who’s going to coach the game on Saturday.” That was the same press that has you hiding under your bed because grown women in a sorority got a brand on their hips.

Just Sayin’

So why defend Keith Raniere? It’s traumatizing for the minor whatever the decade. Just because society was irresponsible doesn’t make it OK. And: He wasn’t even charged for statutory rape. His other crimes got him imprisoned. He’s a criminal at every angle.

Kevin

I’m not defending him. More to point out how insanely wishy-washy the press is when it comes to moral panics about sex.

Anonymous

Notice Kevin said “children”.

Having sex with teenagers like Cami, Rhiannon, Heidi’s sister, etc., as an adult isn’t abusing “children”, according to the deadender defender.

Don’t take my words out of context. I am referring to people who are underage, including Rhiannon and the two Ginas. If they were manipulated into having sex under the age of consent, those are crimes, and the guy should have been locked up 30 years ago.

It didn’t happen because the people who obsess over things like NXIVM couldn’t have been bothered to do their jobs 30 years ago when they could have done something, since there was no HBO camera around to document it.

Aristotle’s Sausage

Jerry Sandusky is currently serving 30-60 years at Pennsylvania’s Greene Supermax prison, having been convicted of 40+ counts of diddling boys in the locker room.

Sandusky is maybe not the best example of how society supposedly condoned pedophilia.

Kevin

Sandusky had the run of the Penn State campus and used Pennsylvania public schools and his charity to traffic low-income boys to his basement and team hotels, for three decades. When the assistant found Sandusky in the shower with a boy and squealed, using his chain of command, the chain buried it.

The students rioted when Paterno was removed as coach. The community was furious when his statue was removed.

I think it’s a pretty good example.

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  • I feel sorry for “kevin” who is still to address the tape that was produced at Keith’s trial. The said tape features Nicki Clyne and her input with regards to planning the brand. Other first line slaves were present. I am not talking about the famous one Alison features on. It’s Nicki Clyne. Frank please can you produce a trial transcript at least of this recording? “Kevin” claims not to know about this recording and doesn’t seem keen on investigating the claim. It’s been brushed under the carpet but I would love to here his ‘sincere’ views.

  • Kevin,

    What epiphany do you want us to have after reading your article and comments? What is the key takeaway?

    I read your article and your replies to readers’ questions multiple times. I really did. Obviously, you want us to think. The issue is I did not understand what you wanted us to think about.

    The following two sentences in your replies caught my attention:

    “My point is that people like you don’t really care about victims of sexual abuse when their stories can’t be used to push an agenda.”

    “It didn’t happen because the people who obsess over things like NXIVM couldn’t have been bothered to do their jobs 30 years ago when they could have done something, since there was no HBO camera around to document it.”

    Yes, law enforcement did not do anything for a long time. They are at fault. They should have done something a long time ago.

    Why do you think they decided to do something about NXIVM all of a sudden? Do you think that they are using the stories of the victims to push an agenda? In your opinion, is there a hidden agenda?

    Maybe I am wrong, but I felt that your main point is that prosecuting criminal activities to the fullest extent of the law is just a means to an end. Nobody cares about the victims or justice. What is the desired “end result” in this case? Becoming famous on TV as heroes? Pushing a hidden agenda? Destroying a specific person because of a particular reason? What is it?

    I am just trying to understand your point of view. I am not trying to steer you in a specific direction. Obviously, you are trying to show us something. I want to see what you are trying to show.

    Please reply. Please help us to understand.

  • Kevin-

    The merry-go-around goes round and round….Nothing changes. You are a pedophile apologist – a supplicant. You Sick fuck

    Nobody here heeds a word you say.

    Remember Rhiannon.
    http://southbuffalonews.com/?p=119035

    I’m truly glad Frank gives you a platform so people can see what type of delusional individual supports a cult leader and pedophile rapist.

    • It would seem that you also support (and have forgiven) somebody who allegedly helped to recruit underage women for possible unlawful coitus.

      That would make you a pedophile apologist too, using your own logic.

      Here’s quote from the article you cited:

      “Karen Unterreiner Knew About Rhiannon. The prosecution alleged that a certain member of CBI, who is an unindicted co-conspirator in the Nxivm criminal enterprise, knew Rhiannon was underage and that Raniere was having sex with her, and helped Raniere have sex with the child “in order to please Raniere.” The prosecution has not named this member of CBI, but Frank Report has identified Karen Unterreiner as the likely co-conspirator [and likely witness]. She was with Raniere at CBI and remained with him in Nxivm. Sources tell Frank Report that Karen [along with the late Pam Cafritz] were known to recruit teens and pre-teens for Raniere to rape.”

      According to the above quote, Frank reported that Karen was the likely person the prosecution was referring to (as being involved with recruiting underage women for Keith, in order to please him).

      I know for a fact that you have forgiven Karen U —- and so have 95% of FR readers.

      You have no real problem with Karen’s appearance on Sarah’s podcast.

      For the record, Frank and others seem to have forgiven her too. Yet, you have no problem with that.

      Apparently, only Kevin’s loyalty is something that’s allowed to be questioned in this regard.

      So… You’re saying that Kevin is a sick bastard, yet you yourself have no problem with forgiving Karen U for allegedly helping to facilitate unlawful coitus between Keith and Rhiannon?

      Are you a sick bastard too, Niceguy?

      Please explain yourself, sir.

      You’re turning into a hypocrite, my friend.

      I also know that Ice-Nine agrees with you on this —- cuz he’s a sick SOCIALIST bastard and possibly a full blown COMMIE. If I knew his true identity, I’d fucken begin proceedings to deport that fucker to communist China, where he belongs.

      Have a good day. 🙂

      • When new information becomes available, is it okay to change your opinion? Are you, Bangcock, allowed to change your opinion but nobody else can? YOUR hypocritical stench is wafting my way…

        Maybe you aren’t turning hypocrite. Are you simply not disclosing your 2023 opinion on Karen U so you could entertain us by blasting Niceguy? If so, I have no problem with it and I know Vanguard would be proud of your use on non-disclosure.

        Has your opinion changed about Karen U? Or do you still feel the same way you did 5 years ago?

      • Whats the difference between a sick socialist bastard and a full blown commie. I dont really understand politics but sounds like a commie is maybe worse

        • I prefer sick socialist bastard because I’m the President of the Local Chapter of the Sick Socialist Bastards’ Society of Seattle (everyone gets treated equally though and we all go by ‘they’).

          We drive our Priuses around on Sundays and throw rocks at church goers and then on Mondays we volunteer at Planned Parenthood to help hookers get government funded abortions. We always take a break to watch Anderson Cooper though, cuz he’s the best. On the weekends we watch reruns of Annie Hall, Rosemary’s Baby, and Chinatown (our favorite cuz the name reminds us of home).

          We voted Ghislaine Maxwell into the Ring of Honor at last week’s meeting in the CHOP where we still hang out and remember the good old days.

          Definitely though our favorite thing is to hang out in the basement of the Comet Ping Pong Pizza restaurant in DC with Hillary, Nancy, and Bill Gates, so lucky they didn’t find that secret basement door! (but hey them kids make awesome Adrenochrome!). Don’t worry though we’re safe because we all wear masks and get vaccinated monthly which gives the added benefit that it makes us easier to track.

          • Don’t forget the bit about us organizing all the Antifa meetings, marches and demos – that “secret society” conspiring to take over the planet in the name of Karl Marx. LOL

          • But comrades still get to sing ‘Joe Hill’ at caucus tho, yeah?
            Can i bring my thumb piano? it’s made of chinese-owned pangolin, from Africa.

      • Bangkok-

        I have read your lengthy(verbose) diatribe attack against me.

        You’ve thrown down the gauntlet and I shall *smote thee morrow.

        *Please note: Like Sir Frank, I am using archaic words from antiquity to seem more intellectually-cultured. The African author Du Bois in the 20s, much like Frank, was overly wordy, and constantly used three syllable words. I wrote a paper on the laureate author. Swarthy knaves are always out to impress their lighter skin brethren. Some consider Sicily to be an island of North Sahara Africa.

          • No shit, it’s because chatgpt wrote it. Frank has been hoodwinked again which is surprising because Frank is usually the hoodwinker, and not known to be one that is hoodwinked easily.

            Start deleting this crap Frank! Your “Alexandra”, and “LTCD Data” amongst others are all AI dude!

            And nobody better fuckin’ use Ice-nine for their chatgpt drivel, his shit is for real !

          • What, me and AI can defend you, but you just bend over? AI sounded more like you than you. Hopefully, that’ll learn ya for snubbing your nose at using your niceguy moniker.

      • Bangkok-

        Having fun trolling me? I am.

        You know I don’t give two shits about Karen UtBanger. She’s rewriting her history.

        De de de do! Fuck you, Bangkok!

        I hope all is well and you’re former pool guy turned step dad is banging your mom so hard the house shudders.

        Take care!

      • Kevin, here’s reminder — “Actress and NXIVM coach Kristin Kreuk started a group called Girls By Design {GBD] that recruited teen girls” — you ignored this example, why, are you ok with whatever your pretty Smallville fantasy girl does because she once smiled at you when you brought her coffee?

        • I’d like to hear Kevin’s response. I appreciate Kevin and his view. We do not necessarily agree with everything, but I think he is sincere.

        • Kristin and Kendra scrubbed their YouTube GBD account of all videos related to it. Some of the videos that used to exist under it have been saved by other accounts, but any reference to original content has been wiped from its “official” sites.

          As a conservative Christian woman I wouldn’t have wanted any of my daughters learning from either of them the misogynistic tracks of NXIVM/Jness and its promotion of promiscuity. My daughters will be getting married young — soon after college — and not waiting until they’re past forty to settle down (they won’t be choosing not to settle down at all) while sleeping around with a bunch of noncommittal men.

          • “sleeping around with a bunch of noncommittal men”
            According to K Keefe’s reddit blog, Nxivm women were taught through Jness and SOP that they are fleas jumping from man to man so they have to obey the men who own them

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  • Antifa, the Storm Troopers of the Democrat Party, is back in the streets.
    Tucker Carlson: Antifa is back in force

  • Aristotle’s Sausage
    Jerry Sandusky is currently serving 30-60 years at Pennsylvania’s Greene Supermax prison, having been convicted of 40+ counts of diddling boys in the locker room.

    Sandusky is maybe not the best example of how society supposedly condoned pedophilia.

    Pennsylvania State now calls its region “Happy Valley”.
    Talk about rebranding.
    Was State College Pennsylvania happy for the kids who showered with Jerry Sandusky?

  • “If Raniere harmed a child he belongs in prison.” Luckily, Raniere IS in prison, even though he was not convicted of harming a child. I don’t understand Kevin’s seeming anger and contempt for people other than those actually convicted of crimes. They are the proven criminals. What is Kevin’s argument? What is the actual critique? “…the people who obsess over things like NXIVM couldn’t have been bothered to do their jobs 30 years ago when they could have done something, since there was no HBO camera around to document it.” So is Kevin just criticizing law enforcement for not doing anything earlier? (Yes, they should have locked him up 30 years ago, thank God they finally did something.) Does he think Raniere should be charged now with harming children even though these incidents happened a long time ago and he’s already in prison (I could get behind that argument, actually)? Is he criticizing the power of the media? Does he think the media, for example, HBO, should NOT have any power to influence anything? “I’m not defending him. More to point out how insanely wishy-washy the press is when it comes to moral panics about sex.” Okay? So because the press did not “morally panic” earlier, they are… what? And this should be addressed how, according to Kevin? Does Kevin expect every person in the press to act in the exact same way, like robots…? Maybe Kevin is actually angry at the power of money? Raniere was able to do a lot of shady things for a really long time partly because he had the money to do it.

    • Excellent points and questions that I very much doubt Kevin will even attempt to address. He/she can’t – the indoctrination runs too deep for that.

    • Kevin is very confused. Kevin likes to set up fictional enemies and knock ‘em down with his turgid arguments. Kevin is a cult clone whose cult leader was convicted of multiple felonies and so Kevin must rationalize those crimes away.

      The world is awry, thinks Kevin, because his dear Vanguard is in prison.

      [Shrugs]

  • “Would Nicki endorse the part where I said that if Raniere ever touched an underage girl, he belongs in prison?”
    Yes, I reckon she would. She’s said as much in interviews. The point she makes is that it was never proven because he wasn’t prosecuted at the time. She also believes Camila was lying.

    “I grew up in a NYC suburb, and moved to Vancouver as a teenager after my parents divorced. I preferred Vancouver.”
    Didn’t happen to be Brooklyn, did it? LOL
    Nicki’s parents split up too strangely enough.
    Vancouver you say? Hmmm.. Ever bump into a cute blonde girl called Nicki off her face at a rave? Those were the days…

    “…I make it clear that if Raniere touched an underage girl, he belongs in prison”
    Refer to previous response above.

    “…people like you don’t really care about victims of sexual abuse when their stories can’t be used to push an agenda.”
    Actually, I really do care about such victims, having witnessed such abuse myself when at boarding school.
    Sexual abuse in schools etc. did go on for decades, but thankfully it’s now better monitored and much harder for the perpetrators to get away with it. I don’t doubt it still goes on now, but at a much reduced level.

    “any teacher who had any association with any other teacher who did these things should be indicted”
    If they knew about it and did nothing – agreed.

    “The girls would brag about it in the middle of class, loud enough for everyone to hear.”
    Teenage girls brag about all kinds of shit, much of which isn’t true. Real victims are often silent and feel terrible shame and fear, which is one of the reasons they tend not to brag.

    ““Me too” goody goodies in the schools, police and media aren’t any different than the Bishops and Parrish directors who moved pedophile Priests around”
    Sniff, sniff…A little hatred and intolerance coming out there methinks. Show me your friends and I’ll tell you who you are: hanging out with assholes can turn you into one. Just remember your critical thinking skills, and don’t just soak stuff up without thinking it through. You talk about the press or the media pushing an agenda as if they were some kind of homogenous entity, when in fact they represent a whole political spectrum of views. Do you think they should be regulated and controlled? Are you not in favor of a free press? ‘Me too goody goodies’ have as much right to talk shit as Marjorie Taylor Greene.

  • I am pretty sure I saw Kevin on “To Catch a Predator” back in the day

    Kevin, you were the naked guy waiting in the kitchen of the little boys house, am I right? Or were you the one at playground?

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