In this article, I will respond to Bangkok’s challenge regarding the claim of evidence tampering.
First, a significant correction: I am not claiming that the FBI agents in Raniere’s case planted child porn.
I am claiming they planted pictures of an adult woman, Cami, which they then backdated so that Cami appears to be 15 in the pictures. Why? If the pictures are from 2005, Cami is 15. If the pictures are from 2010, Cami is 20, and there is no valid predicate act for the racketeering charge of possession of child porn or sexual exploitation of a minor.
I would first direct Bangkok to review the evidence presented in this Frank Report exclusive published prior to Raniere’s sentencing.
There are a few points worth reiterating.
First: FBI agents seized a hard drive, a camera and a camera card from Raniere’s library on March 27, 2018.
Sometime after they seized it, the FBI lost custody of one of the devices, the camera card. During the time, the FBI “lost custody” it was accessed and altered by some unknown person on September 19, 2018 (which is about six months after the devices were collected.)
Finally the card arrived at the evidence lab in an unsealed cellophane bag.
The government’s expert witness FBI forensic examiner Brian Booth, of the Computer Analysis Response Team (CART), testified to these facts on June 13, 2019 at the trial of Raniere:
Booth: The file system data appears to have been changed.
Raniere’s Defense Attorney Paul DerOhanessian: When we say “changed,” it was changed while it was in the possession of the FBI?
Booth: If I’m taking the dates on when we received it, it would appear so.
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DerOhanessian: Do you have any record in any piece of evidence or notes that reflects the accessing of Government Exhibit 524 [camera card] by any representative of the FBI on September 19, 2018?
Booth: No, I do not.
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DerOhanessian: And with respect to Government Exhibit 524, the LEXAR card, was that submitted to you in a bag of some sort?
Booth: Yeah, it was a cellophane bag.
DerOhanessian: Was it a sealed cellophane bag?
Booth: No, it was not.
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FBI Senior Examiner Brian Booth testified about his examination of electronic evidence found on a hard drive, a memory card and a Canon EOS camera, that the FBI seized from a townhouse at 8 Hale Drive in Halfmoon, N.Y., which Keith Raniere called his ‘executive library.’
Nude photos of Cami were found in a folder on the hard drive. Prosecutors said Raniere used the camera to take the photos of Cami when she was 15.
Prosecutors introduced as court exhibits metadata for the Cami images, including what appear to be date stamps that show the photos were taken on Nov. 2 and 24, 2005, when Camila was 15, which, because of her age, qualified it as child porn. These devices were critical evidence in the case. The FBI admitting to losing custody of one of the devices, should have made the devices inadmissible as evidence.
Second, the government’s argument is forensically invalid. Their key facts are 1) the picture metadata dates are in 2005, 2) the folder names have 2005 dates in them, and 3) there’s no visible scar.
Picture metadata dates can be easily altered, folder names can be manually changed, and there is evidence that Photoshop was used (indicated by .psa and .tn.4.cache files present on the hard drive in those very folders that contain the alleged contraband and other pictures), scars can be easily removed by Photoshop, and the visibility of a scar may change based on lighting and body position.
Third, FBI Examiner Brian Booth made false statements about the reliability of metadata. He stated multiple times that the metadata is difficult to modify.
Booth testified, “with EXIF data, once it’s embedded in a picture, it doesn’t matter how many times you move it around. It stays in that photo and it’s very hard to remove.”
However, a picture’s metadata (also called “EXIF”) dates can be altered by any number of widely available consumer tools. Just search on Youtube:
Booth repeats his false statement about EXIF data several times:
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HAJJAR: Is there a particular reason why EXIF data is more difficult to alter?
BOOTH: They purposely designed it that way.
HAJJAR: And so between the dates and the EXIF data, what’s the best evidence of when this photograph was taken?
BOOTH: Well, the best reference is the EXIF data because that gets put into the JPEG file and it’s not easily modifiable
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BOOTH: When it comes to changing photos, they still keep you from changing dates and times. It’s not easy to change those.
But it is not true. It is easy to change. The same YouTube search from above reveals the following tutorial on editing EXIF metadata.
Also, forensic expert Steve Burgess notes in an expert statement that EXIF data is easy to change.
Not only did FBI Examiner Booth contradict this basic technical fact, the prosecution then repeated his false statement as a central part of their closing arguments to the jury.
During her closing argument, Assistant US Attorney Moira Kim Penza states, “The forensic examiner, Brian Booth testified that the most reliable metadata that the FBI could obtain from the images on the Western digital hard drive, said that they were taken exactly when the folders stated they were taken.”
During the second closing, prosecutor Mark Lesko states, “I’m no expert, don’t get me wrong, but I heard Examiner Boothe, just like you did. EXIF data is extremely reliable. It’s embedded in the jpeg, in the image itself. And the EXIF data shows that the data was created on the camera, in this instance, this particular instance, the 150 jpeg on November 2, 2005 which (is) consistent with the title of the folder.”
Is it possible that FBI Examiner Brian Booth made a mistake? Is the FBI known for making mistakes?
Not likely.
Booth has been a forensic examiner for the FBI since 2006, according to his sworn testimony in 15 Cr. 611, US v. Benjamin Wey.
That is over a decade of experience when he testified. It strains reasonable credulity that he simply made this mistake about a basic fact well-known to even hobbyists, let alone a professional forensic examiner.
I believe FBI Examiner Brian Booth lied on the stand. But why?
This was not a trivial lie. It was a lie about an essential part of the government’s argument – the reliability of data, which was already tenuous because the FBI agents had broken custody of one of the devices.
If the pictures were on the hard drive with the dates as presented, there would be no need to modify its contents. The fact that the camera card was accessed and altered, without any documentation, and that metadata dates were altered on the hard drive in a pattern that supports the government’s narrative, which was based on an easily debunkable lie about metadata, suggests that those pictures were either from a later date, or were never on the hard drive to begin with.
Now let’s talk about Camila. Camila did not testify at trial, let alone about these pictures.
The prosecution could have indicted Camila as a co-conspirator in the sex trafficking charge, as she was the perpetrator of the oral sex act on Nicole. But they did not.
If the prosecution did so and brought Camila as a witness, it would have been hard for the jury to see her as a hapless victim.
Camila only appeared on the scene after the so-called ‘NXIVM-5’ appeared on the CBS Morning Show alleging that the FBI agents had fabricated evidence to bring this most odious charge.
By the way, the prosecution brought this charge only three months before the trial. Before this charge, the co-defendants were preparing to go to the trial and prove their innocence. After the charge was announced, five of the six pleaded guilty within two months, leaving Raniere to stand trial alone.
The child porn ‘evidence’ is the critical evidence in the entire case, and the other charges themselves lack substance.
After all, sex trafficking was one single sexual encounter between two adult women, with no money changing hands.
Forced labor was one of those same women transcribing a few hours of video and reviewing 50+ essays, which she allegedly enjoyed at the time, based on her written review of those essays.
Sex trafficking and forced labor were among the most serious charges and yet they fall under the slightest scrutiny. Even if you take all of Nicole’s testimony as true, the elements are simply not met.
Without altering the Cami photos on the devices to support their narrative, the prosecution would have had a very difficult time breaking Raniere and his co-defendants and winning their case based on Raniere’s alleged conduct.
Based on the above, and the full technical examination we released in October 2020, it is my suspicion that FBI agents – perhaps in collaboration with the prosecution and perhaps even with non-government personnel – fabricated the evidence for the child porn charge in order to make Raniere so repugnant that the lack of evidence of actual crimes would not matter.
In reply to Frank Parlato’s comment,
“I personally find Shivani one of the funniest and brightest commenters. I enjoy her too much to be too perturbed if she criticizes Suneel’s sex life, which is what I think this is all about. And I like Suneel a lot. I can also assure you, Suneel is amused by the criticism even the personal attacks.”
I find that greatly disturbing! Making fun of people’s sex life is a low blow and a form of sexual abuse!
You criticize Raniere’s sexual abuse but hypocritically won’t condemn the full spectrum of sexual abuse! Whether or not Suneel is truly “amused” or not it is wrong!
You shouldn’t be encouraging this type of behavior, Frank, while you hypocritically condemn Raniere!
We should condemn all forms of sexual abuse, both misogyny and misandry, both physical and verbal! People want to condemn rapists and child molesters but it’s ok as long as it’s verbal!
That’s the problem of society! Society will only get worse until you condemn it all! Rightfully condemning Raniere for his sexual abuse while Shivani and you encourage it verbally only serves to make things worse!
You’re both no better than Keith verbally! Shame on both of you!
Shivani, we have been guilty of condemning and encouraging the condemnation of another person’s sexual practices and warrant condemnation ourselves, according to this commenter. I forgot what you originally said about Suneel.
I know he laughed when he read it.
Many times on this site, people have laughed at Sultan Of Six’s “sex life”, which entails frequent masturbation marathons to Korona Kreuk.
Funny!
Suneel is a pussy.
We have never established that Sultan has ever lusted after Kreuk or that he even practices onanism.
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Suneel is trying very hard to defend his Vanguard. I gotta give him respect for that.
However, like others have said, his main argument is that he chooses to believe that the FBI Agents, as well as Camilla, are all liars who are defrauding the court and committing perjury in order to frame an innocent man.
His main ‘proof’ is that he says they are liars (and felons too, since falsifying federal evidence is a felony).
…And if Empress Heidi came forth, from out of the shadows, to say that she witnessed Keith leaving her underage sister’s bedroom many years ago (she did witness that) —– then Suneel’s likely response would be that she is lying too.
I just realized something. Suneel is using Mr. Spock’s logic.
Mr. Spock (and Arthur Conan Doyle) once said:
“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth”.
In Suneel’s case, he has established that it’s BEYOND THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY (totally impossible) that Keith could have broken the law and/or bedded a 15 year old minor.
Therefore, the ONLY explanation remaining, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
In this case, the only explanation remaining is that the FBI and Camilla are in cahoots with each other. They are lying to convict an innocent man, as well as committing serious felonies in the process (according to Suneel’s logic).
Frank says that he’s trying to deprogram Suneel. However, I can tell you right now, that’s an impossible task cuz Suneel’s critical thinking ability has fallen down a rabbit hole from which it can never recover.
For whatever reason, Suneel worships all things related to Keith.
To use a poker analogy… He’s pushed all his chips into the middle of the table. He’s ‘all in’ on Keith.
I can speculate that, after reading Suneel’s bio —— he’s probably not supporting himself with his teaching job (as he told Frank).
I could be wrong about that, but he says that he grew up competing in “competitive ballroom dancing”. That tells me he probably has ultra rich parents.
It also tells me that his mom and dad probably controlled every aspect of his life while growing up (cuz no kid would choose such a wussy sport on their own, unless mommy and daddy forced him to participate).
This also tells me that he probably didn’t qualify for a scholarship to Harvard (parents were probably too rich) —- and his parents probably paid his tuition.
I could be wrong, but that’s my guess.
I’m also guessing that his rich family continues to give him money to this day, regardless of his alleged teaching job.
That would explain why he’s now trying to inject himself into the upper echelons of NXIVM’s remnants ——- since he’s trying to accomplish something on his own, away from the shadow of his wealthy parents.
Suneel also doesn’t know how to ride a bike (according to his bio) —– which tells me that he may be a social retard and might not have a lot of normal friends. I don’t know many kids who grew up ballroom dancing while not learning how to ride a bike.
Which could explain why he’s seeking the friendship of weird folks from NXIVM.
Anyway…. I think we may need to bring in the heavy artillery to help deprogram Suneel. I don’t think Frank can do it alone. But God Bless him for at least trying to deprogram Suneel. That’s a good deed.
We’re gonna need a full TEAM of psych experts to crack this nut. We’re gonna need industry leaders. We’re gonna need cutting edge psych techniques. We’re gonna need expensive equipment. I don’t know. It won’t be easy, that’s for god damn sure.
Have a good day. 🙂
Good reflection. Suneel, coming from rich parents, also fits the majority of Nxivm people (Salinas, Laura Junco, Pam, etc.). They are people who want to come out of their parents’ shadow and use Nxivm as that vehicle. Keith got very good at targeting those individuals.
Just wanted to clarify something in my original post above…
I read Suneel’s bio online somewhere, a few months ago. It said that he can’t ride a bike and is a competitive ballroom dancer.
But just to be fair, I have no clue when he first began the sport of competitive ballroom dancing.
I ‘assumed’ he began as a kid growing up or in high school —– but that part was just a guess, LOL.
*One final point about his possible wealth and why I believe his family is wealthy…
The biggest reason why I believe his family is wealthy is because he’s not afraid of the ‘court of public opinion’ (regarding his choice to publicly support a man like Keith Raniere).
This would suggest that he’s not real concerned about any impact to his career or future job prospects, which leads me to believe he’s got a wealthy family to back him up.
Why do I believe that?
Because if he NEEDED his current job to support his family and couldn’t afford to lose it —— then I highly doubt he’d be putting this much energy into publicly supporting a man as reviled as Keith Raniere.
In our current ‘cancel’ culture, people have lost careers for far less. So I’m guessing that he’s not ‘dependent’ on his teaching job to make ends meet for his family.
Since why would somebody risk a career that they ‘need’ (to support their own family) just to publicly support a man as reviled as Keith Raniere? It wouldn’t make sense UNLESS they had another source of money to back them up.
Oh well, Suneel is welcome to set the record straight if my guesses about his career or ballroom dancing are not accurate. LOL.
Have a good day. 🙂
I actually agree with you here, Bangkok. I think he comes from a great deal of wealth.
I also believe his family most likely disapproved of his participation in NXIVM, and that he is defending Raniere so vehemently to also prove himself right to his parents.
Bangkok – Oh no! Is Suneel Rajesh Koothrapali?
“Sometimes satire prevails where logic has failed.”- Paraphrase of both Samual Clemens and
Mel Brooks. Tragically in our current ‘Wok’ society Clemens and Brooks are regarded as racists.
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Suneel is
( Circle all that apply )
( a lost cause)
Suneel is like that kid at the beach trying to dig a tunnel to China.
(clueless)
Suneel is like the guy who goes on 1 date with a girl and calls her a million times — she never returns his calls — and he doesn’t take the hint.
( paranoid)
Suneel, like any conspiracy buff, or a certain Chicagoan, believes in government conspiracies; when the only real conspiracy is that his family is planning to stage an intervention.
( prideful)
Suneel is the man who’s always the smartest one in the room and believes his intelligence equates to wisdom.
(delusional)
Suneel is like a dutiful acolyte or rabid superfan, who doesn’t understand a charlatan or an actor is simply playing a role and no individual is flawless or pious.
(homophobic) Sunneel refuses to go on a fabulous car ride with Eduardo.
( hilarious-heretic)
Suneel believes stories about a man walking on water and healing lepers are ridiculous but believes self-reported claims about a dude who sets off radar detectors and can generate snowstorms by thinking, makes perfect sense.
(a know-it-all)
Suneel believes he has a deeper understanding of the law than renowned trial attorneys, legal pundits, or the Frank Report resident legal expert.
( a shitty-friend )
Sun-eel will not stand up for a woman, who is a dear friend, who has given up years of her life, millions of dollars, and forfeited her personal freedom all in the name of servitude to NXIVM.
( a hypocrite ) Suneel believes it’s OKAY for a 15 year-old girl to sleep with an old hippy-renunciate, but would never allow the hippy to BANG his own daughter. I might be wrong — perhaps — Suneel thinks “it” cool if his daughter saw the holy BlueFlame™️.
(Abusive)
Suneel, like a true, NXer man, makes his wife sleep on the floor and stand naked in the snow when she’s naughty. In addition, Suneel believes 500 cal diets and swallowing Vanguard’s semen is character building.
(an apologist)
Suneel excuses Raniere for molesting three young women because, thanks to Raniere, all three women experienced their first orgasms.
( a misogynist)
Sunneel loved it when
Vanguard told a woman to run into a tree headfirst, instructed a karate master to beat up three women, and locked Dani in a room for 2 years. Suneel believes those experiences were invaluable learning tools.
(Anti-Semitic)
Suneel believes, like the rest of the NXIVM 5, the evil Jews (Salzmans) destroyed NXIVM. Suneel conveniently forgets that if it wasn’t for the Jews, Raniere would be living in a dump, with an ugly woman, and two ugly women in funeral urns.
( incredible selfish )
Suneel has spent more money on NXIVM courses than he has saved for his children’s college tuition.
( a total sucker)
Suneel would gladly trade places with Keith Raniere in prison. Even the retarded Bangkok is not that much of a sucker. Bangkok said, “I wouldn’t trade places with Raniere for all the pussy in Guatemala”, or so Bangkok claims.
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“…to make Raniere so repugnant that the lack of evidence of actual crimes would not matter.”
Bro, the jury and everyone else found raniere repugnant long before that. Starting with:
– a photo of a shirtless, hairy vanguard in bed (don’t you fuckin’ dare put that photo up again Frank)
– “a fish hole”
– “Slap my heinie” and “boner” spelled out in magnets on vanguard’s fridge
– vanguard putting his flaccid penis on a pretending to be sleeping Dani’s face
– vanguard comparing his penis size to robbie’s (or whoever the fuck it was. spoiler alert! vanguard claims he wins by 1/2 inch, congratulations to vanguard)
– vanguard admitting by text he masturbates with other men
– vanguard’s herpes and sexual disfunction
– the blue light orgasm
– nancy’s video approving of sex with children (what’d you think of that class suneel?)
– rosa laura offering her 12 year old daughter to vanguard
– any image of vanguard pretending to be an athlete
– the countless text messages between a 50 something vanguard and a barely 20 cami
I could go on. But anyway Suneel, this is the man you worship. The most ethical man in the world.
“Humans can be noble. The question is: will we put forth what is necessary?” – vanguard.
The End.
You realize you just proved Suneel’s point, LOL. Those are all repugnant things, not crimes. That’s exactly what he’s saying!
No one could ever ‘prove’ Suneel’s point — not even you deluded ride-or-dies.
No. The comment is saying that no one has to make Raniere repugnant.
Raniere made himself repugnant.
No outside effort required.
And that there are actual crimes.
The jury did not find Keith guilty of being disgusting. They found him guilty of the CRIMES with which Keith was charged.
You can’t bring a case against someone for being repugnant.
Exactly RR.
And the broader point is that Suneel and the others still clinging on to keith should take a long look in the mirror and ask themselves, “Why the fuck do I like this guy?”. Serously, wtf.
Frank, in case you did not know, Kristin Kreuk’s website for her NXIVM project Girls By Design has been suspended.
http://www.girlsbydesign.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
Either Kreuk or her associate, Kendra Voth, who she recruited into the cult also deleted their videos from their Girls By Design YouTube channel.
https://www.youtube.com/user/girlsbydesign
If anyone wants to learn about Kristin Kreuk’s role in NXIVM and her NXIVM project, Girls By Design, they need not look further than the Frank Report.
My recollection, from looking at the website at one point when I was curious about gauging members’ involvement, is that it hadn’t been updated in years, maybe even close to a decade. They had done a weekend for girls, in California I think, that included a partner specializing in that type of event who was not in NXIVM, and that was about the last of what had been a pretty minimal effort to begin with.
The website should still be available at the Wayback Machine.
Hi Hasif,
Kristin Kreuk is mentioned and shockingly, you show up again as Anonymaker.
You only use this alias to talk about Korona Kreuk.
How many times have you beat your bishop to your fantasy spank today then?
I doubt that Sultan of Six and Anonymaker are the same person. Anonymaker has varied interests and comments on different matters. Sultan, though he has some interest in other topics, is largely interested in seeking justice for the oft-maligned Kristin Kreuk.
I’m just a long time reader and have also found striking similarities between the mad spanker and annony”s posts.
Frank, if you’d never been fooled before, this blog would not exist.
When psychopathy and paranoia mix, this is what you get as a result.
Hasif/Spanky has many aliases.
He also thought Kristin Kreuk was going to marry him. He literally thought he was going to settle down and have kids with a c-list television actress he has never met.
You know, I have always hoped that Sultan got the girl. I mean his love for her is enduring and he is faithful. Their children would be adorable. And it would be an online dream ending. Faithful, handsome online admirer, comes to star’s rescue when people are criticizing her and she reaches out to thank him. He says some wonderful poetic words to her that touches her heart. She realizes how lonely it is at the top and invites a meeting with him. Even though she has all these handsome Hollywood hunks wanting her, she has never met anyone so interesting and subtle as Sultan. Love blossoms and maybe there are some trials and tribulations before getting the girl to make the story more interesting but in the end Sultan wins her heart thoroughly, they marry and live happily ever after.
Sultan, I’m rooting for you kid.
Frank, how can anyone here know for certain that Kreuk and Sultan never had sex? Kreuk kept her private life on the down-low, but she has normal urges and surely stepped out on cuck-Hildreth — what woman wouldn’t. Maybe her pretty face faced a few hunk co-stars’ junk just for fun, or traded jobs for jobs with producers, so it’s possible she gave lip-service to the passion of a special fan or two or Six.
No one can know for certain. You are right. But that of course is her and his business. Who knows if that’s what hooked the Sultan – a chance and fleeting rendezvous. Maybe they met at a comic con and he and her hooked up for anonymous sex. She may not even remember him.
But I rather doubt it. I think once Kristin spent a magical moment of intimacy with Sultan, she would be unable to ever leave him and she would forget all of those handsome actors.
In the night there would be passion and exaltation and in the morning Kristin would wake up to see the other side of Sultan. She would bathe her intellect in the stupendous and cosmogonal philosophy of the Sultan in comparison with which her boy hunk actors and their vain talk would seem puny and trivial.
At least that is how I picture it.
In Spanky’s fantasy, he has Kreuk in a hijab and they fly off into the sunset on his flying carpet, while singing “A Whole New World” like in Aladdin.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ1Rb9hC4JY
Imagine the [redacted] victim cards.
You’re right they would have beautiful babies, because Kristin is lovely and I imagine Sultan is robust and intelligent. She is too. Could be a match made in heaven. But fate is a funny thing. I wonder if Kristin would understand the depths of his love?
It would be quite weird for anyone to read the immature comments in the form of gimpy satire from a senior citizen who engages with [at least one] underdeveloped bigoted troll in furthering such ridiculous “conversations” on a site which claims to be about “hard-hitting” investigative journalism and seeking the truth, anywhere—except for here though, of course.
Frank said–“Maybe they met at a comic con and he and her hooked up for anonymous sex.
Just like at rock concerts, stars at comic cons often tell staff which fans to bring backstage, and sometimes which to bring back to their room. Usually, it’s a fan’s interesting costume that catches the star’s eye. Did Sultan, in sultan-garb, ever inspire Kristin to lay on his flying carpet for a ride to paradise?
I rather hope it happened. Kristin could do a lot worse than Sultan of Six
You don’t know what we can find
Why don’t you come with me, little girl
On a magic carpet ride…
Well, you don’t know what we can see
Why don’t you tell your dreams to me
Fantasy will set you free…
Magic Carpet Ride
Steppenwolf
That could be the theme song, or better yet perhaps Sultan could sing that song in the movie version. All kidding aside, I am rooting for Sultan to win Kristin. She is more mature now and I think she might appreciate a steady and devoted man such as Sultan of Six.
You seem far too obsessed with Ms. Kreuk and Sultan.
Your caustic comments—which are often wrongly accusatorial of others in maligning the both of them—are creepily disturbing since Sultan is likely just some unknown fan to Ms. Kreuk.
That spanky guy conversing with underage female Kruek fans on the Internet is what’s creepy.
There are people who are sexually obsessed with Kreuk, and others who are sexually obsessed with Sultan. Different strokes.
“That spanky guy conversing with underage female Kruek fans on the Internet is what’s creepy.”
Well…not as creepy as an actual sexual predator and his long-term female co-conspirator using the woman’s pure motives to create a small business to help teen girls to try to turn it into a future lure for his own skullduggery.
That’s why he will rightly sit in prison for the rest of his life and the other just may die there too. God knows all intents and acts, and in the end each gets what they deserve.
“Vengeance is Mine, and retribution,
In due time their foot will slip;
For the day of their calamity is near,
And the impending things are hastening upon them.”
Deuteronomy 32:35
I can’t believed I missed out on this incredible intellectual conversation…..
“I can’t believed I missed out on this incredible intellectual conversation…..”
You wouldn’t know an intellectual conversation if a MACK truck hit you in the face with one.
You have a rather bizarre blind, even culty obsession with Kreuk – and are the one who only shows up when her name is mentioned.
I’ve actually recently made quite a few comments on various topics relating to cults and high control groups, their social and psychological dynamics, their history and underpings, etc, which is my real area of interest.. I just ran a search to check, and I haven’t mentioned Kreuk since last year.
Isn’t it so bizarre — not to mention psychologically disturbing — for a person to be so consumed with the hatred of a celebrity, that he (or she) becomes so obsessed with an unknown fan of the particular celebrity, and it leads to him (or her) to call out everyone and their mother who says anything defensive of, positive or complimentary about the celebrity, as the latter?
Hi Hasif,
If you joined Nxivm, you could of given Mark Hildreth a blowy to taste Korona Kreuk’s sin juice.
Still a virgin?
It’s fascinating that Nxivm dead-enders repeatedly call so many in vanguard’s most inner circle liars.
The escaped DOS women are also accused of rampant deception. Even under oath.
The ratio of “liars” in this one tiny corner of Albany over the years is (allegedly) absurdly high!
This is where these “logical” cult members should focus their “rational inquiry”.
How did one or two neighborhoods in upstate New York produce SO many prolific liars (mostly female teenagers and women) for decades?
And Nxivm, specifically, either attracted or (more likely) created a really disproportionate number of fraudsters.
Is there something in the water?
“How did one or two neighborhoods in upstate New York produce SO many prolific liars” Albany hotbed of dishonesty?
The Liars came to Albany from all over North America to hone their lying skills.
As a state capitol filled with lying politicians Albany is the logical location for NXIVM.
Governor Andrew Cuomo claimed to be solving the Covid Plandemic while he was helping kill the elderly by exposing them to infected Covid patients.
What is the difference between Andrew Cuomo and Keith Raniere?
One is a pathological liar and the other is Keith Raniere.
Well, it’s simply because all of the dishonest people were trying to tear down the mission. Sometimes, when something as noble as the mission exists, it attracts people who look to destroy value.
How’d I do pitching the company line? That’s the dirtiest I’ve ever felt while being sarcastic.
Ha ha. It was great!
It seems like NXIVM creates quite a number of dishonest and deceitful people.
Hot beds! How purrfect this really is. This comment is dedicated to our Bangkok. Totally. Bedtime reading 4U.
Last night I was watching Gentlemen Prefer Blondes again, and there was a scene that reminded me a lot of a bot, oops, a um, ah, heya, a thirsty, thirsty
(boy) named Su.
Jane Russell and Marilyn Monroe were on a cruise ship from New Yawk to Paris, and Marilyn had an avid and wealthy suitor sponsoring their entire voyage. An Olympic men’s swimming team was sailing on the ship, too. They were just man candy, though. Chorus boys. Awfully hairy chorus boys.
Marilyn’s rich and dweebish suitor was trying to tell Marilyn that she must behave herself. He was being so sweet and industrious.
But Marilyn had never been on a cruise and had only just sat upon the cabin’s bed for her very first time! She was terribly excited by the bounciness of this bed.
As her poor rich boy was trying to give her a lecture, Marilyn just kept bouncing and bouncing on the bed. Ecstatically! Her beautiful breasts, etc. COMPLETELY distracted the gentleman, but boy oh boy, was he ever comforted, despite himself. I could not stop laughing and kept replaying these few moments, feeling ridiculously delighted.
Su could go on such a cruise, could he not? His problems could be over. All that’s missing is the right boobs to distract him. The right boobs a’bouncin’ is a wonderful, wonderful thing to behold. Su Chak could do with altering his fantasies. How can he continue to keep missing this? He has not melted his butter enough. That’s all.
This explains the tight little chin Su wears, too. There is no need whatsoever to be terrified of mother nature. That fear implies separation. Chakravorty is hallucinating that he is somehow above it all. Poor thing. He hasn’t got a yenta to help him sort any of this out, for once and for all?
Does he not hang out in New Yawk? There is probably even a Rent-a-Yenta up there.
So then, according to Suneel, Camila lied in court when she said she was 15 when Keith took those pictures.
Suneel is saying Camila lied. Cool. I hope employers and Harvard take note of this bully who is still harassing women.
Where can I see if there were “.psa and .tn.4.cache files present on the hard drive in those very folders that contain the alleged contraband and other pictures?” How can I verify that this did happen? How can I verify that there were no other types of files in any of the other folders from the camera???
Overall, Suneel makes bold claims without evidence. We have to believe them. We have to believe there were those .psa and .tn.4.cache files. I would have to see the context of ALL the folders and data of the camera to make a decision. Without it, it appears that Suneel is another cult member sent out to bully women.
Having (.psa and .tn.4.cache) files in those folders means nothing. When you download images from a digital camera to your hard drive on a machine, extraneous non-photo content files such as those can be copied onto it as well depending upon the brand of the camera. That isn’t any evidence that the photos were tampered with in any way.
I was not able to find online any other source that said they had found “.tn.4.cache files” in the picture folders of Keith. Is Suneel lying and just making bold claims?
I think that Frank Report should not publish and give visibility to madmen who hate women and are just spitting out lies.
It is a waste of our time to have to read text filled with lies.
Good catch – you and a couple of others, I think.
Suneel is either blindly or disingenuously ignoring the issue that he is effectively accusing Cami of being a liar and perjurer, and probably part of some sort of conspiracy against Raniere as well. Besides being a debating or legalistic technique, it’s actually a typical flaw of conspiracy theorizing to try to drill down into trivial issues to the point of creating doubt – while ignoring obvious facts, and major logical or evidentiary oversights.
Also, as has already been caught, Raniere and his defense conceded the photo dating of 2005 in court.
Here are the 10 critical words in Suneel’s reply: “I believe FBI Examiner Brian Booth lied on the stand.”
Suneel’s belief is not evidence, it is wishful thinking. The “proof” Suneel offers fails for the same reason Anonymous posted at 9:37 am: Raniere never disputed that the photos were not from 2005, and in fact argued to the court the opposite, that they were from 2005 and, thus, outside the scope of the warrant.
Suneel, thank you for clarifying your position and smacking back at me. 🙂
Mission accomplished.
I haven’t yet read your post though, so these are just preliminary comments.
Judging by Shivani’s uncharacteristically short reply, she may not be capable of refuting your arguments. Which means your post may be logical and sound. Hmmm. That’s interesting.
I’ve never seen anybody leave Shivani speechless. She’s among our very sharpest commenters. But oh well. I guess you’ve done it. This might mean that your post cannot be refuted and is 100% logical and sound.
I will read your post in full later, when I have time.
If I agree with your position, I may submit my application to join SOP. I may turn against Frank (and my Empress) and join your team of NXIVM holdouts, if I think your position is 100% sound.
I look forward to being a disciple of NXIVM, if your post convinces me that you’re correct and nobody else can refute it.
🙂
Bangy, it was simply my bedtime at 7:09 a.m. Nightbirds too eventually give in to sleep. I try and try to resist sleeping, but it’s some kind of a damned biological necessity.
The only thing that Su-boy could say of interest to me would be what his sexual life has been and is. You know, Bangkok, that story could be short and gory and maybe even grim. But revelatory, I am sure.
Then, once Su disclosed all of that, a search party could be finally be mounted to find his ballz. Perhaps Su and his ballz could be reunited, on some
off-chance. Haphazardly, of course.
Thank you sincerely for being a little concerned about me for appearing to be rather speechless. Generally bores like Su are easily ignorable. However, Su is not just a bore. He is a more of a boar who is not only boring but seems to be terribly, terribly unfucked-up.
I know of a nation run by very fat women, and there Su might find satisfaction, and then maybe he’d stfu. The only thing that he’d have to do is to like couscous. What could be easier than that?
Omfg Shivani! Why don’t you follow your own advice and go to that “nation” so you can “stfu” with that stupid shit!
I’m so tired of trolls not focusing on the argument at hand and just using ad hominem logical fallacies like talking about somebody’s weight or yapping about somebody’s sex life and thinking they owned them!
It’s so stupid and obnoxious! Grow up! Why are you so concerned about people’s sex lives if you’ve got one anyways?! Hmmmm!
You were the one who randomly brought up that you “could not stop laughing and kept replaying these few moments, feeling ridiculously delighted” at Marilyn Monroe’s bouncing tits! What are you, 10 years old seeing a Playboy magazine for the first time?! Maybe you just say all of this because it’s just projection on your part!
But whether it is or isn’t and whether or not Suneel has a sex life or not, what does that have to do with this argument?! Does his lack of a sex life somehow dismantle the argument! Wow!
Imagine if courts or professional debaters used your type of “logic”!
2+2=4!
No it doesn’t because you have a sex life!
I can prove 2+2=4!
You’re argument is invalid because you don’t have a sex life!
Wow! That sounds like something pervert Keith Raniere would say!
Case in point, I think Keith Raniere is a worthless piece of shit and got his justice and the Nxivm 5 are misled! But I also think they should be able to investigate this and when they find out the truth, then they will be silenced! I say let them learn the hard way! Besides they’re not going to listen to you any of you guys anyways!
But good God only pathetic people use that kind of stupid argumentation! It’s so randomly distasteful and immature! Grow up and stop being immature and obnoxious Shivani! Shame on you!
There is a considerable difference between poking fun at a subject and using tactical argumentation. Has that ever occurred to you at all?
You, as a reader, could opt to simply stay away from comments which disturb your mind. You certainly do not have the capacity to alter the nature of another commenter’s content, Anonymous. This bitching and moaning is a silly waste of your efforts. If I decide to stop writing my thoughts, you will be the last to know.
Yes, I do in fact understand that “There is a considerable difference between poking fun at a subject and using tactical argumentation”! The fact is I’m calling you out on the immaturity and misandry of the former! “Has that ever occurred to YOU at all?” You “bitching and moaning” about somebody’s sex life (which is completely ridiculous people do this kind of shit) isn’t helping this situation! If I’m the last to know when you decide to stop writing your “thoughts” (if you can even call it that), then I’ll be among one of the first to be blessed along with many others! Grow up!
I personally find Shivani one of the funniest and brightest commenters. I enjoy her too much to be too perturbed if she criticizes Suneel’s sex life, which is what I think this is all about. And I like Suneel a lot. I can also assure you, Suneel is amused by the criticism even the personal attacks.
Anon@2:59am
You have no powers of discernment—really poor taste. Some people can add a couple of things to a couple of things and produce the most surprising, exuberant and abundant wit.
Others drably insist on putting two and two together with the sum total of bore.
Trauma Bond @ 4:28 am,
YOU obviously are the one who has “no powers of discernment” and are projecting your folly onto me if you really think her random trolling shit smeared rambling about somebody’s sex life is the golden example of “exuberant and abundant wit“ in some kind of beautiful work of art contributing to a intellectual literary mosaic and meanwhile those who stick to the subject without random ad hominems are just merely “drably insist[ing] on putting two and two together with the sum total of bore”! The internet would better off with you vampires sucking out what’s left intellectually that everybody else in your mentally deprived and depraved kinsmen in this culture of trolls hasn’t already gorged themselves fat on to feed their pathetic self esteems thinking deceiving themselves into believing that they’ve really offered society something in the process! You’re not helping this situation by aiding and abetting this kind of foolishness! We’ve got criminals elements in the government, politics, and media! We’ve rapists, murderers, thieves, and thugs in the streets! We’ve got Raniere types in corporations and businesses and we’ve got trolls on the internet like Shivani and defenders of them like you! You’re not helping anything! You obviously do want to “bond” with all the “trauma” in our society and culture! You’re moniker serves your intentions well! I’d highly advise to be more intelligent that and stop contributing to the problem and encouraging it! That is of course, if there’s any morsel of hope for your thinking patterns and “discernment” left! This reply of yours and defending her stupidity doesn’t look good in regards to that!
Except that he’s already admitted that the photos are from 2005! Here’s a quote from the court’s order denying Keith’s motion to suppress the photos (page 5 of ECF # 618):
“Raniere contends that, before opening the images, the FBI agents knew they were from 2005 and were outside the scope of the 8 Hale Warrant, ‘which was limited to a very specific time period, namely after 2015.'”
Spectacular find!
Suneel, your arguments are, again, meritless.
First, you are claiming that you know more than an expert. Not buying it. Sounds like Dunning-Kruger to me, as do all your posts.
Second,the fact that the photos were accessed does not mean that they were significantly tampered with and the dates altered. It is more probable that the explanation is innocuous. As far as planting photos on Raniere’s hard drive and creating a 2005 folder, that is just ridiculous and does not deserve a reply.
Third, the reliability of the photos goes to the weight of the evidence and not admissibility. That means, the jury gets to decide whether they believe, based upon the evidence presented at trial (which includes the cross of the expert), whether the photos are what the prosecution asserts them to be. Here, the jury clearly found that they were genuine.
Fourth, Raniere’s defense team was heavily influenced by his input, if not completely controlled by it. At trial, Raniere did not dispute that they were from 2005. From what I remember, Agnifilo tried to get them thrown out because they were so old. Also, Agnifilo could have called his own experts at trial to challenge the prosecution’s expert. I am sure if Raniere believed they were not from 2005, he would have made sure that his lawyers did this, but he did not. That is very telling.
Fifth, Closing arguments are just that, argument. They are not evidence. That means, aside from some basic rules, the prosecutor is permitted to argue what is in evidence. Raniere’s lawyers were free to do the same. Again, closing arguments are not evidence.
Lastly, the fact that the charges involving Cami were added in a superseding indictment three months before trial does not point to nefarious conduct on the part of the government or FBI. Prosecutors only charge what they believe they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Perhaps, they believed Cami’s testimony was needed to present their best evidence, and when that didn’t pan out, they decided the photos were sufficient. Remember, the government, in most cases, has one shot at an indictment. Waiting for Cami to cooperate is understandable and wise.
Suneel, if you want to make legal arguments, go to law school first. I almost did not want to write this because I believe you are using FR to learn about the law. If you are going to continue making baseless arguments, as I am sure you will, just remember that you lose credibility with every frivolous argument that you make. That is why you have lost nearly all credibility on FR.
Suneel, your head is so far up your ass it popped out your pee-hole.
Too boring to read. Same old tired retread.
I believe Cami.
I believe the texts and Keith’s own admission.
More importantly, so did the jury.
Snnnooozeel, you should believe her. As you should believe all the victims. Again, this article is a fucking waste; just like the author and Keith.
Yes, great points. In the texts with Cami, Keith also admits clearly he had sex with her when she was a minor. Suneel is just a bully who hates women and is out to attack women.
What the hell is the matter with this guy? Did somebody put hot sauce into his jacuzzi? He sounds upset.
He sounds very sick. He is a bully. I hope employers take notes on his behavior towards women. Here he is again bullying Cami.
It’s pretty easy to change any (unencrypted) data on a computer. After all, it’s just bits—zeros and ones. You just need software that can directly overwrite the “raw” bits in the appropriate places on the disk, but this can be a very tedious process since bits are not conducive to human readability, and image content data isn’t as easy to realistically manipulate in such a way (so that it doesn’t look doctored) like dates or times.
The only way to be certain data hasn’t been altered is to have some sort of (currently) unbreakable hash of the unmodified file soon after it was taken. That way, if any alteration occurred later to the file (either its metadata or content), then its hash would be different and you would know the file was tampered with. But this also presupposes the file wasn’t altered prior to the hash being taken and dates and times were all legitimate in its and the file system’s metadata, and this is only done because the person who is hashing the file with his trusted private key purposefully wants to legitimize the data as authentic.
The problem with all of this argumentation proposed by the remaining dead-enders is that it’s rooted in questioning the integrity of law enforcement for an alleged criminal. This requires them to cast reasonable doubt on their integrity. This means they need to prove why the authorities would go to such lengths to frame their supposedly innocent man instead of just doing their job. That file access times have changed proves nothing (it is insufficient) as far as supposed image tampering in the sense of malicious manipulation for the purposes of framing someone is concerned. You need opportunity and motive to doubt the integrity of those trusted with enforcing the law, who are in their positions after they have passed rigorous ethical standards that are legally in place.
This is why Nicki, Suneel, et al, are often liking, retweeting, tweeting, etc., about a “corrupt” justice system, prosecutorial misconduct, innocent people forced into jail being freed after the fact, etc., co-opting them for their own unidirectional purpose, ironically trying to (impotently) rile up the masses there (while speaking against mob rule) with their “We the people” calls, in an attempt to free one man. Sorry, but most people simply don’t care about some “alternative” lifestyle weirdo who was in it for himself and whose character and life choices leave much to be desired.
They cannot comprehend how others — in this case, federal authorities — could NOT behave in the same dastardly data-tampering way that has been the Nxivm modus-operandi from the start— i.e.: what was done most damagingly to John Tighe and others…
How is it possible to defend the criminal actions of a criminal racket without resorting to foul means? Justice obviously will not serve them, so Justice must be wrong, at fault, in need of ‘blinding’. If I were they, I’d be very careful for what is being wished for — it’s too late already, even with — especially with — high SAT scores, for most of these pathetic ride-or-dies.
Projection.
It’s not just for watching films.
1. Did the defense bring in an expert witness to testify the photos were altered?
2. Very simple solution: ask Cami how old she was when the picture was taken. Very simple solution. One and done.
Zero effect.
( Suneel, I have a question pending for you. Keith’s supposed superpowers — no rain, jams radar, blue light, etc — do you believe them? Yes or no?)
What about the communications between Camilla and Keith where he referred to their anniversary and how long they had been together which meant they had been together since she was 15? What about the testimony from the women’s health center employee that Camilla said she had been in a relationship with her boyfriend for years also dating the relationship back to when she was underage? What about Danielle testifying that she became aware Camilla and Raniere were in a sexual relationship when Camilla was 16? In order for your version of events to be true, all those people have to be lying and all the communications have to be fraudulent. That would indeed be a vast conspiracy involving a lot of people. Or is it more likely that Keith is lying since he has a long history of lying?
It seems like No name is confused and may be trying to cause trouble. To clarify for you, No name – Suneel is picking and choosing which truth he seeks. He’d prefer if you stick to the topics he narrows in on. Would you kindly leave Keith’s scorched-earth past out of Suneel’s talking points?
In this post by Suneel he is contesting the child pornography charge, not the fact Raniere had sexual relations with minors.
While true, the two are not mutually exclusive. If the sex with minors thing wasn’t a thing, this theory that everything is a big conspiracy might deserve a glance.
I’m not really paying much attention to Suneel until he begins to address things that are inconvenient to his narrative. Things like Vanguard’s sexual relations with minors.
Exactly, Nutjob. Both Suneel and Nicki Clyne have mentioned that until the child porn charges the other defendants were willing to go to trial. But once those charges were added, the plea deals happened. Because the narrative that these were all adults and there are no victims (which is ridiculous because blackmail and deception) was impossible to hold up with a 15 year old girl in the mix. That is why all the mental gymnastics are going into disputing this particular point. Because it is indefensible.
No Name,
Good comment. Snnnoooozeel and Nicki want to change the criminal justice system but they did not have the bravery to stand up for their “partner,” dear leader, and close friend, Keith, when he was facing life in prison.
Their lack of emotional fortitude and cowardice makes them the worst people on earth to rally others to the cause.
Nothing would stop me from testifying if I believed the person most important to me was being wrongly prosecuted.
They are ridiculous humans and comical as “activists”.
You make the assumption that access to the files and the altering noticed means the date was changed to a date when Camilla was 15. You do NOT KNOW that, it is just your assumption. There are plenty of other possibilities for why the data was changed. Should this evidence be admissible? I don’t know because I lack the know-how to make any judgment on it. But you can not make the claim the date was altered to incriminate Raniere, for the simple fact you do not know and can not prove it either. Let us make it easy and just subtract 40 years of his sentence and leave it at that. The male juror’s reluctance to look at the pictures could be because to them it was very obvious these were pictures of an underaged 15-year-old?