In a guest view post, by Vicki Henry, “Millions of Lives Ruined by Sex Offender Registry, Says Top Anti-Registry Advocate”,
the author wrote, “as an example of how our families are harmed [by the sex registry]. A well-meaning teacher printed out profile pictures of local [sex] registrants and put them on the board around the classroom. She promoted her effort to protect her students by suggesting they look at and remember those people.
“One student pointed at one picture and said, ‘Katie isn’t that your dad?’ It was…”
One of our former commenters, Bangkok quickly chimed in and said the writer was lying.
Now another commenter says it is not so far fetched, and that it happened to her son.
By Collateral Damage
The exact same thing happened to my son in karate class. They printed out pictures and addresses of sex offenders living within one mile of the facility to advertise a self-defense class, so this does happen.
My children’s school passes out pictures and addresses of all the sex offenders in the neighborhood every Halloween, so this does happen.
My children’s friends’ parents regularly look up registrants in the area, so this does happen.
I had a nosy co-worker google my husband’s name to see what he does for a living, and then pass out registry information to other co-workers, costing me a job, so this does happen.
My children and I constantly have to look over our shoulders, and regularly lose friends when they discover their father is a registered offender. You don’t realize what it is like to have your children live as the collateral damage when everyone wants to be the “savior” so they can feel good about “protecting” the innocent . Meanwhile, they do more damage to the families than they could ever imagine.
I don’t want to argue with you [Bangkok] regarding whether or not there should be a registry, as I believe you have already shown your feelings on the subject. And please don’t give me any responses that start with “if it were me, I would…” as we have all heard these comments ad nauseum from family and friends that ultimately left our sides. Until you live a day in my shoes, you have no idea the trauma that we have experienced.
I am only asking that you take a step back to see the innocent lives – the wives and children – that are caught up in the net and suffer shaming, shunning, violence, and prejudice through no fault of their own. We are the collateral damage that gets overlooked.
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End of Collateral Damage’s Comment
By Frank Parlato
I think the point is well taken. There is not doubt that people find out about people who are on the sex registry. And that will include friends and acquaintances of their children. It is also true that many registered sex offenders have families and are not threats to society.
Hence, the damage to their children is real, because they are ostracized and condemned or shunned because of their parent.
This is a very difficult issue. There are, of course, true human menaces, and the point of the sex offender registry is to protect children and others from potential danger.
And yet, at the same time, the registry causes danger, or at least humiliation, to the registrant’s children and family and often to the registrant him or herself.
It is curious too. People who are arguably equally or more dangerous, like paroled murderers, home invaders, kidnappers, violent felons, burglars, manslaughterers, robbers, drug dealers, drunk drivers who ran over and killed someone, are on no registry and could live next door to you without your knowing.
A friend of mine has a tenant. He is on the sex registry. He is in his 30s. When he was 18, he had consensual sex with his girlfriend who was just shy of 17, the legal age of consent in New York. Her parents found out about their relationship. They did not want him as her boyfriend and they pressed criminal charges. It’s a long story but he was arrested and served a short prison sentence, but – and this he did not understand at the time – his plea deal meant he had to register as a sex offender.
It is nearly 20 years later and he still has to register and everywhere he goes and everywhere he moves, this follows him like a dark shadow. It has literally ruined his life. Yet, by all accounts, he is a good young man. He has not been in any trouble since his indiscretion when he was 18. But his life has been one dark haunting.
In his case, the sex offender registry is a grave injustice, a horror. An equal punishment, both cruel and unnecessary.
It is curious too, very curious, since in the same neighborhood, where everyone knows who he is, or can easily find out about him, there are a number of convicted felons, for drug and violent crimes living there anonymously, for society does not require them to register or be be named publicly.
It is assumed that once they served their time, they should be afforded the chance at redemption. They paid their debt to society.
How is it then that this young man who had a teenage affair some 20 years ago, can never pay his debt to society?
How is it that the children, his children, if he had any, must be plague by his youthful indiscretion?
There simply has to be a better way. There should be some method to eliminate from the registry those who are no more likely to reoffend than other classes of criminals.
Near the very street he lives, is a man who drove while drunk and killed a 16 year old girl, a girl just about to turn 17. The crime of this drunk driver was far greater than the crime of a young man having sex with his girlfriend a month shy of her 17th birthday.
But there is no endless punishment for the drunk driver. He got in his car and went to work this early morning and there was no one who googled a registry for him. But the young girl he plowed down will never see the sunrise.
For the young man who is my friend’s tenant, his shame goes on year after year.
Else please cite your numbers you give. How about you do a bit of research? Academics and researchers have determined 1/4th of those on the registry involve juvenile on juvenile.
While there are some cases where an underage person lies about her age or an 18-year-old boy has sex with a 17-year-old girl who is almost 18, those are FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.
Realistically, most cases involve much older men preying on underage girls even when they try to argue “but 13-year-olds and 19-year-olds are both teenagers so they’re like the same age”. Yeah right.
Or they involve relationships where the man is 47 and the underage girl is 14. Or my favorite, where a man in his 20’s claims he “didn’t know” his girlfriend was 12. Oh righhht!.
I can understand how she may have been, ahem, “well developed”, physically, but you can’t tell me there weren’t clues during conversation that she just might be in the sixth grade…
There are a FEW innocent people (a very few) on the sex offender registry, such as the man who was 18 when he dated a 17-year-old girl just shy of her 18th birthday, but the VAST MAJORITY of the people on the list victimized innocent, underage children BY LAW.
We have statutory rape laws for a reason. When adults fail to protect children, the law steps in and does.
If you don’t want to be on the registry, don’t victimize anyone! Problem solved. Empower yourself.
1) Please produce the factual evidence that the “VAST MAJORITY” on the registry are actually predatory.
2) Show me where the registry actually protected anyone from being sexually assaulted. The facts are that over 95% of new sex crimes are committed by people NOT listed on a registry.
3) To say something like, “If you don’t want to be on the registry don’t victimize anyone!”, is telling of your nieveties.
Your opinions have been drilled into your head. Brainwashing, so that elected officials can use your feelings to make them look like heros and make you feel good by hating the right people. You must comply or be a social pariah. I understand. . . It’s too radical nowadays to think for ourselves.
I could have been a grade school teacher but my victim told on me and ruined by life because I was forced to be on the registry.
What do you mean by your “victim”? Did you victimize an underage child? If so, you deserve the consequences you got. Don’t blame her. You are responsible for your own actions.
I was 11 when the FBI stormed in my house to arrest my dad at 4 in the morning.
Makes absolutely no sense to me. If you really want to help the spouses and children of sex offenders, rather than teach them to shame who they are, empower them to believe they are NOT a product of their parents/spouse’s choices.
You’re essentially saying they can either hide or feel shame. You’re doing the exact opposite of empowering.
Mr. Slater how do you ‘teach them to shame who they are?’ I’ll leave you to answer that. I need to also ask if you are a registrant or affiliate with people that are?
It is difficult to empower a child, who is young and impressionable or a hormonal teen to unhear what they were called or someone they love and respect being physically assaulted. How about a dead pig put on their driveway overnight. A brick thrown through a window or a family being asked to leave their church.
Many of our families are cocooned as that is where they feel safest while some are doing OK. You could ask one or several of the 917,000 men, women and children (young as 6, 8 and 10 (in some states) required to register.
Vicki Henry
My statement can only be understood if every word is presented.
I am on the registry, the supposed “victim” lied, and it happens all the time.
Since my case, I got married and started a family, and I have 4 children of my own. Everyone I know says I am an excellent parent, my kids are ahead academically.
I couldn’t care less about anything of a sexual nature. All my thoughts are focused on those that support the registry and vigilantes, all day, all night. Waiting for the first poor soul who would dare try to hurt me, my spouse, or my children. That’s the real danger you see. Bring me your hate, so I can give you all that I have already received over the years. Fear me, but fear me for the right reasons. I don’t want your kids, I don’t want perversity, that sits in your mind alone. No, I want the vigilantes and the registry backers. I wait day and night for you to confront me, to try to attack me, so I can show you what true rage looks like, to make an example of a vigilante. To give you all the hate and injustice that has been given to me, completely obliterating you. Using only a fraction of my rage, you will find utter oblivion, over the injustice that I, my family, and my children have suffered over these hellish years. That’s what I so desperately seek.
How foolish is it, to put a label of lust on a sea of wraths? America will soon find out, our movement is growing fast. So go ahead, oppress us more, increase our numbers, fuel our wrath, expedite the inevitable.
How ironic is it, that the ones who persecute us, judge us with their own imaginations? Reflecting more on their own inner perversion, rather than those they project it onto, those they judge so harshly. The truth is, they fear the mirror, more than those who register. For the act of empathy is required to try to understand us, and only by their own thoughts, do they try. For they must try to predict and control what they fear, cowards.
To those who support the registry, remain in your stupidity. Because I’ll be waiting for you if you ever think of hurting me, my children, or my family. I will make a very clear example out of you if you ever attack me or my family. You are far beneath me, remember that.
I am a virus of rage and righteous indignation, and I am spreading to all registered offenders, EVERYWHERE! So keep adding to my army across this country, over a 1000 a week. The registry is our networking tool, so keep it coming. Soon you’ll learn just how enraged we truly are, and the consequences, for how you’ve hurt us and our children.
Just keep telling yourself how much safer the registry makes you.
I think your sentiments are shared by over a million people. But why do you say “think of hurting me, my children, or my family”? Surely that has already been done. Surely that is being done and on a daily basis.
I started attacking and harming Registry Supporters/Terrorists (RS/Ts) over two decades ago. I’ve kept it all legal, but I’ll do what I must. I’ve been attacking them from all kinds of angles and 95% of the time they don’t even know who or why. I see someone being a real RS/T and I start attacking them. I’m proud of all that I’ve accomplished. A lot of widespread destruction.
There is no reason to wait to attack RS/Ts. They deserve it today.
I’ve dreamed for years that if I could be invisible, I would end the Registries myself within just a couple of years. But the anti-Registry army is effectively invisible. It is a very large and widely distributed army. When anything happens in one part of the country, thousands of attacks can come invisibly from anywhere.
One other thing, I wouldn’t call anyone a “registered offender”. That sounds like someone who has signed up to offend. That isn’t the Registries. People who are listed on the Registries are “People Forced to Register”. That’s all they are. Nothing more. I actually like to call them “People Registered for Harassment, Restrictions, and Punishment”, but that’s a bit lengthy.
Fear tends to outweigh logic. I sat down with a senator from Idaho and expressed serious concern about how Idaho doesn’t separate levels for RSOs as federally mandated. I spoke of reform of the registry. This senator said that even though I am right, and he agreed with me, that no one would EVER introduce a law to reduce the punishment of anything sex related. To do so would be political suicide.
His suggestion to me… Leave the state
Of course the sex offender registries are an abomination but so are some of the insane sex laws that feed them. The pro-registry types are right on one thing: there is a connection between the hateful laws (q.v. Jennifer Fichter, Trenton Veches, Edwin Mann) and the hateful registries. Those registry advocates people are consistent in being pro-hate, while too many on our side are afraid to be consistently pro-reason.
There’s no reason that unforced sexual contact with someone underage should result in a higher sentence than beating the same person half to death. In a sane country that would not be an even slightly controversial statement.
You know what I saw a LOT of this past holiday week, for the whole week? The Registry Hit List not working at all. I saw a lot of People Forced to Register hanging around with all kinds of people who didn’t know they were listed on the Hit List and will never know. All kinds of people, including families and children. All week.
I’ll see the same thing again in a couple of weeks.
I won’t personally be needing the Hit List either. Because I’ll be a responsible parent and will be supervising all the children for which I’ll be responsible.
But hey, big government needs you to believe that their Hit List is protecting people from them there sex offenders. So you naive big government bootlickers need to eat that up. They need more of your money too. I know you aren’t used to paying your fair share, but do please ante up for your Hit Lists.
Enjoy the war.
[Redacted] No one is talking about lowering the age of consent. [redacted]
The only thing that needs to be done is to get rid of your thoroughly idiotic, worse than worthless Registries. You helpless people don’t need them. No one needs them. Easy to prove. [redacted]. They make you feel good, don’t they?
I was referring to [expletive deleted] future actions by [expletive deleted] sex offenders will cry about lowering the [expletive deleted] age of consent after they get rid of the [expletive deleted] registry. With consent starting at birth, adults who like sex with children will be free to pursue their sick sexual appetites.
No one is going to lower the age of consent, regardless of what happens to registries.
Whomever is moderating these comments will not let me say what needs to be said to you. [redacted]
Anyway, your “age of consent” nonsense has zero to do with the Registries. Nothing at all. There is no nexus whatsoever. [redacted]
The Registries have nothing to do with what $EX crimes are legal and which aren’t. They don’t affect the legality. They don’t affect whether or not the crimes are committed. The simple fact is that Registries are dumb. There is no legitimate reason for them to exist. Further, given that no other Registries exist AND all the idiotic tag-along “laws” that the Registries have enabled and promoted, there is no MORAL reason for the Registries to exist.
[redacted] Personally, I couldn’t possibly care less what the age of consent is. When I was raising my children, I didn’t need to know it because I didn’t let my children have $EX with adults. I raised my children instead of asking big government to do it for me. But I guess you are interested in the age of consent. Doesn’t matter to me. Irrelevant to the fact that the Registries have to go or people who support them are going to continue to have to pay consequences. The war is moral.
Yoo Hoo, Willie. Sarcasm alert – once convicted sex offenders get rid of the registry then their next campaign will likely be lowering the age of consent to date of birth. (Do you get it now?)
Yeah, I really had trouble understanding that bit of brilliance.
Besides the fact that your statement has absolutely zero basis in any reality or any facts, it doesn’t even make any sense. You do realize that Registries didn’t exist at all not that long ago, right? How was that “lowering the age of consent” campaign going at that time? Those were freer times, it must’ve been going well.
And what nexus would “lowering the age of consent” have with the Registries anyway? The Registries don’t define anything about what is legal or not. The Registries can stay and the age of consent can be lowered.
I have no idea why I just wasted the time to explain any of that to you. You likely can’t understand and it’s all just dumb anyway. Nothing but a red herring to distract dumb Registry Supporters/Terrorists away from reality.
But hey, do go ahead and just say anything. It doesn’t have to have any basis in reality or facts. That is why we have Registries after all.
To Will Allen,
—I’d like to feel bad for your nephew. But then there’s you and the Registries.
I’d like to feel bad for your nephew?
No, you don’t feel bad about my nephew because [redacted]. Are you a sex offender? Or do you love a pedophile or a rapist?
[redacted]
—You should never wonder why no one cares. Perhaps you should try to stop harassing people just to get yourself off?
Hey, Ray, I would like to ask you the same question……
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hat do you do to get yourself off? Oh wait it’s illegal, please don’t answer I just ate lunch.
—And that is because America is FULL of immoral, awful morons, just FULL. Terrible, self-entitled, self-righteous, whining, pathetic scumbags. In fact, the vast majority of people in America are that. They have ALWAYS needed someone to hate. And look at them today! “Someone is telling me to wear a mask!! My freedom!” Bunch of whining idiots.
Ray Allen, from what you are saying if America is such an awful place you should move. You hate America? America hates you.
Someone telling you to wear a mask is a whiny idiot? I guess you think the same thing when victims of sex offenders come forward.
Ray, I think someone somewhere is a crybaby, [redacted]
Wow. I’m sorry you aren’t [redacted] Take care of your own family and leave other people alone.
[redacted] but I will admit that perhaps I wasn’t very clear with my mask statement. I was saying that when people tell people such as yourself to wear a mask, you people [redacted]
And yeah, I don’t care you or your nephew. The fact is that in the future there will be more $EX crimes. That is unfortunate, but true. I just hope that the victims of the crimes are “people” who think Registries are acceptable. Heck, I hope the perpetrators are “people” who think the Registries are acceptable. “People” who think Registries are acceptable deserve to suffer.
Most of the people listed on your Hit List (i.e. People Forced to Register (PFRs)) probably did something illegal and/or bad. They paid a legal sentence for it. Some of those were extremely harsh. Some were too harsh. Some were too lenient. But whatever the case, the legal sentence was paid. Then along came the “civil regulation” called the Registries. Extra, after-the-fact, ever-changing, ever-escalating, extra-judicial, idiotic, and immoral harassment and punishment. It’s not acceptable. PFRs paid the price for their transgressions. Most paid years or decades ago.
But “people” who support the Registries did not pay the price their transgressions. They are harassers and terrible “people” today. They will be tomorrow. They will be next week. They will be a year from now. They should continue to pay consequences until they stop harassing other families. And they will.
—“People” who think Registries are
acceptable deserve to suffer.
You are a wonderful human being……..
We have Registries. I don’t have to be a good person to terrible people.
Look at America burn. It’s always been a terrible, hateful place full of terrible, hateful people. The Registries are completely on brand. There is no need to care about one another. There is no reason to be nice to one another.
Enjoy it and just know you are doing your part to be a problem. You should probably try to grow your nanny big government. Don’t you need more Hit Lists to help you through life? But do pay at least some taxes. The rest of are really tired of all the freeloaders.
Because America is a hateful, sh*tty place with Registries, please allow me to make fun of the incompetents who “need” Registries. It’s so funny. Who are these people who need big government to give them a list of people who probably did something bad in the past?!! But only if it involved SEX!! That part is hilarious.
I only want to know about former bad guys if they did something with SEX! I don’t care about the people who got mad at their last neighbors and burned their homes down in the middle of the night. Or who got angry and shot one of them in their own driveway. Or who broke into their homes in the middle of the night to rob them and ended up “having to” beat them all nearly to death. I don’t care about the neighbor who likes to drive drunk in the afternoons and drove their car through a yard and “accidentally” murdered a child playing there.
I don’t care about any of those things. Unless they involved SEX!!!
Who are these “parents” who “need” Registries?! When I was raising my children, I didn’t need a list from big government. I supervised my children and was an actual parent. I didn’t let them hang out with adults just because that person wasn’t listed on a big government Hit List. I could let my child be around people who I KNEW had molested children. Because my children were taught not to be molested by that person OR by anyone else, even if the person is not listed on a Hit List!
So pathetic. So sad.
And what does all this nonsense cost? I can’t even start. The money part is the least of it, as well. We are rich enough to waste billions and billions of dollars. Heck, at least that give some people some big government paper-pushing jobs. Tough work.
No, the monetary waste is not a big deal. But the rest of the harm is. The Registries have harmed America every single day that they’ve existed. But do we have enough sense to end them? What a hilarious, stupid question! Just take a look at our insanely failed War on Drugs! American government, and the boot lickers who support them, will do stupid forever and ever. The results and consequences do not matter at all. Look at the War on Drugs. Look at the Registry War. Big government lost both long ago.
So pathetic. So sad.
Shadow hates Mack; Scott hates Amyway; and I hate sexual predators in case you didn’t notice.
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I have read a ridiculous amount of articles on the subject of sex offenders, specifically child molesters. The John Tighe criminal case, specifically the evidence on his computer and lack there of, does not add up. According to all contemporary sources all child porn purveyors are junkies who amass huge collections of smut.
John Tighe only had one down load from one website and he never traded or distributed the pornography. Nothing adds up.
Then there’s a story of the mysterious couple I tried to pass off a laptop to you.
Once you reported that, I’d bet anything he was set up. Tighe is the one victim, sadly , who will never have his day in court.
The fact that the recidivism rate is low amongst the sex offenders listed on the registry proves the registry works.
What other logic do you need?
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The recidivism rate was lower before the Registries were created. How does that fact work out for your “logic”? [redacted].
Great job, Registries!
Sorry, but no experts EVER supported your nanny big government Hit Lists. They knew that they would be worthless and Good Lord, they certainly have been proven to be correct! Today, there are zero informed, moral people who think the Hit Lists are acceptable. A big fat zero.
Also, your Hit Lists do not list “sex offenders”. [redacted] Your Hit Lists list people who probably committed a sex crime in the past. That’s all. Nothing more.
What we need is a Registry of immoral, anti-factual, anti-American, harassing dumba**es. That is what we need. You know, people who cannot mind their own business or stop harassing other families.
There were no sex offenders before sex offender laws? Is that the logic you’re pushing Willie Allen?
Poor Larry. The moderator would not let me make [redacted]
The logic I am pushing was quite clear. But I don’t think [redacted].
I get it now! The war on drugs is a failure because people still do drugs so the registry is a failure because sex offenders will still offend.
@Larry Lynch (July 7, 2020 at 11:22 am):
I’m not sure you are capable of getting it. In fact, the very fact that you didn’t originally get it (regardless of anything I said or didn’t), demonstrates that you likely aren’t capable. Obviously, the person who said “proves the registry works” is clueless as well. Registry Supporters/Terrorists aren’t the brightest bunch.
But thankfully, “J” explained it much more succinctly and clearly than I did and his/her explanation is below (at https://frankreport.com/2020/07/01/children-of-parents-on-sex-offender-registry-are-collateral-damage-of-registry/#comment-136628 (July 5, 2020 at 4:22 pm)). Maybe you can get that. It’s pretty obvious.
These laws were passed in the age of digital data storage, which means it doesn’t take much to determine if pre-registry and post-registry recidivism supports your theory. From the studies I have read, pre- and post-registry recidivism rates are statistically unchanged. Some even argue people relying on the registry has actually made matters worse because they don’t realize 95% are first time offenders, not on a registry and amazingly enough, have close relations with the victim, especially children, whether its a step parent, teacher, coach, etc.
Unfortunately, you have an opinion not based on facts.
It is quite clear that today the “people” who think Registries are a good idea are either not very bright and/or they are immoral (e.g. they are trying to fleece $$$ from it). Beyond clear.
These “people” are enemies of America.
Love the pivot to name-calling there, Willie. Enemies of America are adults who apparently can’t have a “normal” relationship with another adult and instead sexually prey on children.
No name calling. Just stating facts.
Stop harassing other families. Mind your own business for a change. Or is it too boring?
“They” aren’t as wonderful as you…..LOL
That is right. “People” who think Registries are acceptable aren’t nearly as moral as I am. Not even close. I just know that you can treat terrorists as if they are good, sensible people.
Opinions are not facts.
I’ve found that the biggest vigilantes have something to hide about their own indescretionary ways.
The recidivism rate was low before we had registries. The recidivism rate is low in countries without registries.
There’s your logic. You’re welcome.
RE Low Recidivism Rate:
The recidivism rate of people on the registry is low because the sex offenders are on the registry and not anonymous.
What do you people not understand?
Correct. Vicki Henry’s son, Joshua Burton, doesn’t re-offend because he was busted for child pornography while in the military and later for an armed standoff with local, state and Federal authorities. He’s on the registry. He’s being watched by authorities. First order of business is parents like Mrs. Henry teaching her child, while he was a youngster, that child pornography is sick, disgusting and perverted – just like a 20 something adult having sex with an 11 year old child. Stiffer penalties are in order for such crimes!
Not correct. You geniuses can read the comment that I just made to “Anonymous” and perhaps can figure out how you are clueless. Or maybe you can’t.
You are sadly, sadly mistaken if you think your Hit Lists are getting anyone “watched”. I promise you that. People who are listed on your glorious Registries are able to do anything they like and go anywhere they want. I’ve seen thousands of instances of that, perhaps tens of thousands.
But you keep drinking your big government Kool-Aid. Just remember … they are pretectin ya from them there sex offenders!! And oh yeah, they need more of your money so you big government lovers do need to pay more taxes. At least some.
Larry – I am delighted that you commented here and I want to assure you that my son was raised in a Christian home. In recent years I have begun to realize and lament that Christians practice ‘selective redemption’ which is akin to ‘your sin is greater than mine.’ My son was molested by his biological father beginning at the age of six and the fact that he, like most young people, didn’t know how to tell someone. Add to that our family had just gone through a nasty divorce which involved two immature parents; one of which was me. He began looking at child pornography in high school trying to determine why it happened to him. Now, you have part of your statement correct and some not-so-much. But, for now we will set it aside and soon I will come out swinging and you will be one of the first people I welcome a battle with. Attack me all you want for now. I nave eaten people like you for lunch…So, lets stay in touch so I can be certain I can contact you. vicki.henry@womenagainst registry.com
Vicki Henry, I am floored that someone on this forum came after your son like that. They are certainly messing with the wrong momma.
Pointing out that Vicki makes her living based on her convicted sex offender son as part of the anti-registry industry is going after him? There’s zero evidence that Vicki had one ounce of concern for sex offenders before her son was caught with child porn. Bet that if she gets her boy off the registry, she’ll drop out of sight.
[redacted]. Read the response that I just made to “Anonymous”. [redacted]
So the recidivism rate of people NOT on the registry is HIGH because they are anonymous? Sorry, but I don’t think you’re getting it, DOJ.
“Larry” is not going to be able to understand. The other harassing fruitloop might be able to, not sure.
The Department of Justice reports on their website that, “due to the frequency with which sex crimes are not reported to police, the disparity between the number of sex offenses reported and those solved by arrest, and the disproportionate attrition of certain sex offenses and sex offenders within the criminal justice system, researchers widely agree that observed recidivism rates are underestimates of the true re-offense rates of sex offenders.”
“Researchers widely agree,” in the opinion of the DOJ, but not in the opinion of the researchers.
Sounds like DOJ needs to take their own statistics more seriously.
RE LAST WORDS ON THE REGISTRY:
Dear Guys & Girls,
While I’m fantasizing about the registry protecting my loved ones…..
…You can all go back too your fantasies of politicians, en-masse, ending the Sex Offender Registry. You lot have a better chance of parting Red Sea. “Sorry but it ain’t happening!”
LMAO!!!!
I don’t see it happening all that soon either. If big government had ANY sense, they would’ve destroyed the Registries long ago. But they don’t have any sense. Their Registries are not just worthless, but a lot worse. They are gravely harming all of America. It’s a war they lost long ago. But they are too stupid to know it and too arrogant to care. So their casualties will continue.
I deliver consequences to Registry Supporters/Terrorists every single week. It is great fun. Did some yesterday.
But you enjoy your hateful country. No one has to care about you or anything that you care about. We are definitely not all in this together. And that’s funny. Defund the law enforcement criminals. Defund nanny big government and all their dependents who cannot manage to get through life without them.
Your call ‘Nice Guy’ but let me share a tidbit of information.. Depending on the region, the cost of incarceration runs approximately $26,000 to $49,000 per year. And for those who want to execute all citizens required to register, the cost of that would be $350 to $500K and keep in mind there are 912,000 men, women and children…yes children….and there is quite a range of ‘offenses’ and I will end with this. The parents of the first few laws enacted (Patty Wetterling, John Walsh, and the Kanka family have stated the registry is not being used as designed and that was for the ‘violent repeat offenders’ meaning violent repeat rapes or repeat molestations. The registry has become a run-away train to support the fortunes of those prominent individuals and families invested in private prisons as well as the employees and vendors who have jobs in the industry. Later we will come back to the cost of maintaining a ’50 state hit list’ whose implementation and maintenance were delegated to the DOJ by Congress. I think I forgot to mention all of the above is at taxpayer expense. #abolishtheregistry
Registry Supporters don’t care about the cost. I firmly believe that only a very small minority of them even pay ANY taxes, let alone their fair share. They are very, very rarely successful people.
I would love to see a study that shows who support Registries. I fully expect that I.Q., success, motivation, education, health, wealth, and other aspects of well-being all negatively correlate to supporting the Registries. We know the kind of “people” who love big government and their Hit Lists.
Agree with you, NiceGuy, re the politicians. If we want registries to be consistent with the Constitution, change will have to come from the court, as it did in the 6th Federal Circuit.
Nice Guy – you do realize ONE PERSON parted the Red Sea….right? Just sayin’
No shit? Thanks…
It is called sarcasm……
There aren’t any moral, informed, decent people who think Registries are a good idea. There just aren’t. There never were very many and after the decades of failure, now there are none.
[…] SOURCE […]
Frank,
I apologize for the rash comments. I will curtail my rude dialogue.
I will redact myself.
Here are some simple [statistics] for those championing pedophiles:
90% of sex offenders do not reoffend. Correct?
There are 859,500 sex offenders on the registry. Correct?
Let’s do some math.
Assuming a 10% [recidivism rate] of 859,500 is 85,950 victims.
How many victims will that lead too? Simply just recite the multiplication product (number)too-yourselves.
5% of 859,500 is 42,975 victims
3% of 895,500 is 25,785 victims
1% recidivism is 8,595
What do you say too the new victims?
Do you say, “I am incredible sorry a pedophile’s rights are more important than your right to be protected?
What do you tell the parents? “Oh, I apologize the pedophiles rights supersede parental rights and a child’s rights. It’s in the American Constitution. God bless America.”
…..And you people say I’m the the one out of touch with reality.
[redacted] Sorry, but the facts are known.
There aren’t any decent, moral, informed people who support the Hit Lists. [redacted] Ohhh, but please don’t forget to pay some taxes. We know how you big government dependents are. Always wanting someone else to pay.
Pedophilia is a medical diagnosis. There are young people who have been diagnosed with it. Pedophilia Pedophilia can be managed with competent therapy. Now on to a new concept. How about getting ahead of sexual harm? What about instead of wasting money on dysfunctional hit list how about investing in sexual abuse training programs such as ‘Stop It Now’ and their program Circles of Support which teaches parents to begin and maintain a dialog with their children and teens. That is a tall order to fill but necessary. They teach at age appropriate levels ways to stay safe and with the open dialogue if a friend of the family makes Suzie feel strange she can tell her parents and they can get involved and address the situation. Let’s talk about another issue and that is under reported sexual harm.
Here is another real life incident….. Working in a Special Education class in 1984, following the Family Living discussion, a very troubled female 5th grader came to me and asked, “Mrs. Schaff, What would happen to my Dad, … I mean,…ah, someone who is touching you in the wrong places?” I replied, “He would be put in jail and you would never have to worry about him ever touching you again.” She stood silent for a long time and I asked, “Is there something you would like to share?” She thought awhile longer and said, “No, I was just wondering.” Because of the law, I let this child down! If I could have told her that person would have to change his behavior OR go to jail” there is no doubt in my mind that she would have shared with me. She displayed all the symptoms of an abused child but I sincerely feel she chose to endure the physical/sexual abuse rather than lose her Dad. It is the behavior children want changed, not the loss of family. (This issue has been haunting me and I see the face of this child every day and she hasn’t aged a day since we had that conversation)
Now add another situation. A mom suspects that her husband, the breadwinner of the family, is doing something inappropriate to one of the children. She doesn’t want her child to be harmed. She doesn’t want to see her husband’s face plastered in the media or on television. Incest or molestation implies within the family. Those in the kids social environment can be cruel. He goes to jail and prison and the family can become homeless. Sometimes their extended family either doesn’t know how to help or begins to point fingers. The family can now get therapy but can they afford it. Lastly, victims are entitled to an advocate, therapy and restoration. There are victims rights advocates who are well acquainted with the attention and funds spent on SORN and have openly stated that money should be better spent on victim support, recovery therapy and restoration.
I agree on advocating sexual abuse training programs. But why do so many anti-registry activists viciously attack what they dismiss as the “victim industry.” The lead story on the SOSEN.org website goes on and on and on with it’s attack on sexual offense victims. How is attacking victims furthering the anti-registry “movement.”
Rate of Pedophile Recidivism
Question
How does the recidivism of child molesters differ from that of nonsexual criminals?
Method
The RCMP records of 191 child molesters and 137 nonsexual criminals were examined 15-30 years after their release from a maximum security provincial institution. The child molester sample was the same as that previously examined by Hanson, Steffy & Gauthier (1992, 1993).
Answer
The initial follow-up of the child molesters found that 42% were reconvicted of a sexual or violent crime during the 15-30 year follow-up period. Ten percent of the total sample of child molesters were first convicted for a sexual/violent crime between 10 and 31 years after release. Not all child molesters recidivated at the same rate. The highest rate of recidivism (77%) was for those with previous sexual offenses, who selected extrafamilial boy victims, and who were never married. In contrast, the long-term recidivism rate for the low risk offenders was less than 20%.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/chld-mlstr/index-en.aspx
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—“90% of convicted child molesters never molest again.”
I am sorry, but reality begs too differ.
Speaking of sex offenders can we please get your take on Ghislaine Maxwell?! Can’t wait!
Ghislaine Maxwell is yet another example of where the registry failed, for years and years, to identify a serial abuser. It almost always fails to do so.
That’s my take. What’s yours?
I wanted to reply to some of the comments that have been previously posted, but am going to take care of that in one post to all.
All current research (including the U. S. Department of Justice) shows that when taken collectively, those people who have committed a sex crime, been caught, and served time in prison, have a re-offense rate of committing a new sex crime in the single digits. That means over 90% never re-offend (commit a new sex crime). There are hundreds of thousands of registrants in this country who have a one-time-only sex offense and are working hard to reintegrate back into society as law-abiding citizens, inspite of the registry’s draconian statutes and ordinances that are stumbling blocks for them. Society is far better off if people are successful in this reintegration process. Treating any type of released inmate as a leper by making housing almost impossible, not giving them a decent paying job, and withholding community/family support is a recipe for failure, forcing some into a life of crime. This is NOT what we want.
Research shows the following: single-digit recidivism rate for a new sex crime, approximately 90% of FUTURE sex crimes will be by people NOT on the registry, and over 90% of victims KNOW their perpetrator. Research has debunked the myths that have been out there for years. People who make their decisions based on evidence-based facts know all of this. Unfortunately, the media only shows the re-offenders as they bring in higher ratings. You never see the hundreds of thousands of registrants who are leading law-abiding lives.
The registry started out in 1992 with around 30 sex offenses. Now it is over 100. Patty Wetterling, who helped jumpstart Congress into starting the registry, has said that the registry has been hijacked. She only intended it to be for people like the man who kidnapped, raped, and killed her son. Very few people on the registry today include people like that man. Some are on the registry today for “mooning” friends in high school, public urination, having consensual sex with a 16-year-old girlfriend while they were 21, juveniles with autism, people with schizophrenia, grandfathers who developed dementia, a 10-year-old boy who pulled down a girl’s pants on the playground after being dared by his buddies to do so, and the list goes on and on. Very few registrants are the type of rapist that Ms. Wetterling and Congress were after in 1992.
And, yes, the collateral damage for the family (particularly the children) is often worse that the crime. I have had several people tell me that what happened to them for years after the crime was far worse than the actual crime itself. They all say if agencies had just come into the home and helped in the situation, they felt their family could have been saved. But with the barbaric statutes in place, the offender is often the bread winner, meaning that the family income dries up. This often forces the children into poverty or foster care. Many of the parents can be helped through restorative justice, thereby helping the children even more.
For those commentators who want to see all of this backed up, start following the Florida Action Committee along with any other group you can find that bases its recommendation on data-driven facts.
I wanted to reply to some of the comments that have been previously posted, but am going to take care of that in one post to all.
All current research (including the U. S. Department of Justice) shows that when taken collectively, those people who have committed a sex crime, been caught, and served time in prison, have a re-offense rate of committing a new sex crime in the single digits. That means over 90% never re-offend (commit a new sex crime). There are hundreds of thousands of registrants in this country who have a one-time-only sex offense and are working hard to reintegrate back into society as law-abiding citizens, inspite of the registry’s draconian statutes and ordinances that are stumbling blocks for them. Society is far better off if people are successful in this reintegration process. Treating any type of released inmate as a leper by making housing almost impossible, not giving them a decent paying job, and withholding community/family support is a recipe for failure, forcing some into a life of crime. This is NOT what we want.
Research shows the following: single-digit recidivism rate for a new sex crime, approximately 90% of FUTURE sex crimes will be by people NOT on the registry, and over 90% of victims KNOW their perpetrator. Research has debunked the myths that have been out there for years. People who make their decisions based on evidence-based facts know all of this. Unfortunately, the media only shows the re-offenders as they bring in higher ratings. You never see the hundreds of thousands of registrants who are leading law-abiding lives.
The registry started out in 1992 with around 30 sex offenses. Now it is over 100. Patty Wetterling, who helped jumpstart Congress into starting the registry, has said that the registry has been hijacked. She only intended it to be for people like the man who kidnapped, raped, and killed her son. Very few people on the registry today include people like that man. Some are on the registry today for “mooning” friends in high school, public urination, having consensual sex with a 16-year-old girlfriend while they were 21, juveniles with autism, people with schizophrenia, grandfathers who developed dementia, a 10-year-old boy who pulled down a girl’s pants on the playground after being dared by his buddies to do so, and the list goes on and on. Very few registrants are the type of rapist that Ms. Wetterling and Congress were after in 1992.
And, yes, the collateral damage for the family (particularly the children) is often worse that the crime. I have had several people tell me that what happened to them for years after the crime was far worse than the actual crime itself. They all say if agencies had just come into the home and helped in the situation, they felt their family could have been saved. But with the barbaric statutes in place, the offender is often the bread winner, meaning that the family income dries up. This often forces the children into poverty or foster care. Many of the parents can be helped through restorative justice, thereby helping the children even more.
For those commentators who want to see all of this backed up, start following the Florida Action Committee along with any other group you can find that bases its recommendation on data-driven facts.
Florida Action Committee exists only because the founder’s son was convicted of ogling child pornography. The founder a big part of the anti-registry industry – cashing in via donations from convicted sex offenders. Like Vicki Henry, the Florida Action Committee founder did not care about sex offenders until her boy was busted. And if she gets her boy off the registry she will likely fold her tent and go away.
Excellent article. I also want to point out that, no matter the offense, the sex offender registry is ineffective at creating a safer society. The registry has been in effect over two decades; many studies, both academic and governmental, have been done evaluating its effectiveness; it has failed miserably. It does not predict who will commit new crimes as 95% of new sexual crime is committed by persons not on the registry. It does not reduce re-offense; reoffense by those punished for an initial crime and then living in the community has held steady at, on average, 5% since long before the registry went into effect and is still at that percentage. It does not reduce new offenses; it does not protect children as virtually all sexual crime against children is committed by persons in their lives, their family members, peers, and authority figures, persons who are not on a registry. Two of the most popular (with the public) restrictions it has produced, residency restrictions and Halloween restriction, have ZERO evidence, based on a plethora of studies, that they make an iota of difference or produce an iota of public safety. If the registry fails to predict, fails to protect, fails to produce any increase in public safety, but instead goes against everything shown to increase public safety, interferes drastically in rehabilitation, and costs states many millions of dollars that could be spent instead on prevention programs that work and rehabilitation programs that work, WHY should the registry exist?
Great comment Sandy!
Question
How does the recidivism of child molesters differ from that of nonsexual criminals?
Method
The RCMP records of 191 child molesters and 137 nonsexual criminals were examined 15-30 years after their release from a maximum security provincial institution. The child molester sample was the same as that previously examined by Hanson, Steffy & Gauthier (1992, 1993).
Answer
The initial follow-up of the child molesters found that 42% were reconvicted of a sexual or violent crime during the 15-30 year follow-up period. Ten percent of the total sample of child molesters were first convicted for a sexual/violent crime between 10 and 31 years after release. Not all child molesters recidivated at the same rate. The highest rate of recidivism (77%) was for those with previous sexual offenses, who selected extrafamilial boy victims, and who were never married. In contrast, the long-term recidivism rate for the low risk offenders was less than 20%.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/chld-mlstr/index-en.aspx
So, who do you know on the sex registry?
Sandy Rozek, I was unable to get my comments posted this morning, so I am trying to piggyback onto yours:
I wanted to reply to some of the comments that have been previously posted but am going to take care of that in one post to all.
All current research (including the U. S. Department of Justice) shows that when taken collectively, those people who have committed a sex crime, been caught, and served time in prison, have a re-offense rate of committing a new sex crime in the single digits. That means over 90% never re-offend (commit a new sex crime). There are hundreds of thousands of registrants in this country who have a one-time-only sex offense and are working hard to reintegrate back into society as law-abiding citizens, inspite of the registry’s draconian statutes and ordinances that are stumbling blocks for them. Society is far better off if people are successful in this reintegration process. Treating any type of released inmate as a leper by making housing almost impossible, not giving them a decent paying job, and withholding community/family support is a recipe for failure, forcing some into a life of crime. This is NOT what we want.
Research shows the following: single-digit recidivism rate for a new sex crime, approximately 90% of FUTURE sex crimes will be by people NOT on the registry, and over 90% of victims KNOW their perpetrator. Research has debunked the myths that have been out there for years. People who make their decisions based on evidence-based facts know all of this. Unfortunately, the media only shows the re-offenders as they bring in higher ratings. You never see the hundreds of thousands of registrants who are leading law-abiding lives.
The registry started out in 1992 with around 30 sex offenses. Now it is over 100. Patty Wetterling, who helped jumpstart Congress into starting the registry, has said that the registry has been hijacked. She only intended it to be for people like the man who kidnapped, raped, and killed her son. Very few people on the registry today include people like that man. Some are on the registry today for “mooning” friends in high school, public urination, having consensual sex with a 16-year-old girlfriend while they were 21, juveniles with autism, people with schizophrenia, grandfathers who developed dementia, a 10-year-old boy who pulled down a girl’s pants on the playground after being dared by his buddies to do so, and the list goes on and on. Very few registrants are the type of rapist that Ms. Wetterling and Congress were after in 1992.
And, yes, the collateral damage for the family (particularly the children) is often worse than the crime. I have had several people tell me that what happened to them for years after the crime was far worse than the actual crime itself. They all say if agencies had just come into the home and helped in the situation, they felt their family could have been saved. But with the barbaric statutes in place, the offender is often the bread-winner, meaning that the family income dries up. This often forces the children into poverty or foster care. Many of the parents can be helped through restorative justice, thereby helping the children even more.
For those commentators who want to see all of this backed up, start following the Florida Action Committee along with any other group you can find that bases its recommendations on data-driven facts.
You’re such a good person trying to get a child molester or rapist off the hook you should really move on and find someone else to love.
You deserve more.
And I’m sure you know what you should do. [redacted]
If you’ve read the article and comments and still think someone’s “trying to get a child molester or rapist off the hook,” then I’m not sure you’re grasping what’s going on here.
No, it is not a difficult issue. If the point of registry is to protect children, and it obviously does not (not a single study supports a protective element, rather the contrary), and the fact that not all convicted criminals have to register likewise (the point being public safety) it is painfully obvious that the registry is simply life-long punishment. For the offender, and their families. Quite simple.
—The fact that not all convicted criminals have to register likewise (the point being public safety) it is painfully obvious that the registry is simply life-long punishment. For the offender, and their families. Quite simple.
Holy Shit!!!!! Not all convicted criminals have to register? Last time I checked,
Mr. Heyho, stealing hubcaps wasn’t the same thing as raping somebody in the asshole.
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Hey Frank!!!! Regarding a criminal recommitting a previous crime…..
….Would you rather have your hubcaps stolen again or have someone rape you in the asshole a second time?
I guess the real question is how much do you love your hubcaps?
[redacted] Apparently you are telling Heyho that looking at illegal pictures is more dangerous than shooting someone with a gun.
Sorry, [redacted] until you big government dependents get AT LEAST your Gun Offender Registry going, you’ll continue to have zero credibility. [redacted] All “people” who support Registries deserve [redacted]
Those are some nice observations about “raping” in the “asshole.” You certainly do seem like a nice guy.
I understand Karen‘s point of the kids. I wonder if Karen ever thought about the fact that women shouldn’t procreate with sexual predators.
Who have you had a relationship with? Do you know their past? What crimes have you committed that you have been forgiven for? I assume from you remarks that you hold yourself in higher esteem than our creator who guarantees our forgiveness.
Why are you eagerly defending pedophiles?
Are you a super-super-human being?
Who do you know, who is a sex offender?
Oh lady I have committed crimes; I just never raped and molested anybody.
My suggestion is find someone else to love.
So the 18 yr old should never have a chance at a life and family because of a 1 yr age difference? Let me guess… You’re a “Christian” aren’t you? Hahahaha
Nunya many states make exceptions when 18 year olds have sex with 15 and 16 year olds such as Minnesota, New York and Colorado. Many other states are working on changing the law to be more fair.
Minnesota
16: Regardless of the age of the perpetrator, it is always statutory rape in Minnesota if the victim is under the age of 13. If the person under the age of consent is between 13 and 16 years old, they can legally consent to sex with someone that is less than 48 months (4 years) older than them.
New York
17: In New York, the age of consent for sex is 17 years old. This applies to men and women, and applies to both heterosexual and homosexual conduct. New York has allowances for minors who are below the age of consent but are close to the same age. This close-in-age exception exists because statutory rape laws are meant to prevent minors from being sexually exploited by adults. It is not meant to punish individuals who are close in age for engaging in consensual, non-exploitative sexual conduct.
https://www.thesurvivoralliance.com/legal-age-consent-50-states/
There aren’t any moral, informed, decent people who think Registries are a good idea. There just aren’t. There never were very many and after the decades of failure, now there are none.
Christian? LMAO
Well your kid shouldn’t bang middle schoolers.
Let’s ask if any and I mean everyone if they at some point engaged in sex or inappropriate actions and comments to a minor? Doesn’t matter if you were a minor or a legal adult at the time, because in most States that’s enough to arrest and possibly convict you and voila, a new sex offender or predator is born. Oh, and many states have abolished the statute of limitations, so your past can come back to bite you in the ass at any given time. Who likes John Walsh? Did you know he also should be listed as a sex offender?
Nice Guy, you write about “raping the asshole” and “banging middle schoolers.”
I would ask that you [redacted] They’re not appropriate, and there are hundreds of thousands on the registry for far less.
Hi Karen,
I believe the sex registry needs to have some policy reform and procedural changes, however, the registry should stay in place for the protection of women and children.
I assume you understand percentages, greater and less than, basis math and statistics.
The following is some data I would like to share with you….
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“According to NCMEC, as of 2016 there were 859,500 registered sex offenders in United States.”
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“Approximately 1 in 5 (21.3% or an estimated 25.5 million) women in the U.S. reported completed or attempted rape at some point in their lifetime, including completed forced penetration, attempted forced penetration, or alcohol/drug facilitated completed penetration. About 2.6% of U.S. men (an estimated 2.8 million) experienced completed or attempted rape victimization in their lifetime.
* About 1 in 14 men (7.1% or nearly 7.9 million) in the U.S. was made to penetrate someone else (attempted or completed) at some point in their lifetime.
* Approximately 1 in 6 women (16.1% or an estimated 19.2 million women) and approximately 1 in 10 men (9.6% or an estimated 10.6 million men) experienced sexual coercion (e.g., being worn down by someone who repeatedly asked for sex, sexual pressure due to someone using their influence or authority) at some point in their lifetime.
https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics
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Karen, What’s greater the total number of sex offenders or the total number of victims?
Come on Karen take a stab at it. Please
I’m guessing you’re going to be silent on this one.
I’ll help you then
28 million victims is greater than 859,500.
32 victims for every 1 sex offender
Who are the true victims?
Do you even know someone that was raped or molested as a child?
95% of all sexual crimes are by people not on the registry. That has always been the case.
A legislature is not allowed to create fiction about individuals based upon their own conclusions of statistics. The fiction being that a registrant is always or inherently dangerous.
Every person is an individual and a person’s continued dangerousness can only be determined through evidence in a PUBLIC hearing.
A registry’s sole existence as a punishment cannot stand because its conception was formulated as a civil law applied outside of court and without hearing, challenge, or appeal even long after a sentence is completed.
The refusal to consider even a modicum of due process can render the whole process illegal.
In the article above, it described a kid who had a slightly younger girlfriend.
A state loses credible regulatory power by a lifetime requirement of a punitive registry as it becomes just a “cruel and unusual” punishment.
Does that make sense to you?
Nobody can be punished or evaluated solely against others who they have nothing to do with or have in common solely by some legislative arbitrary standards.
Rudy101-
The one thing I have noticed about you and nearly every other child molester is you have never once said you felt bad or wish you weren’t a child molester.
Why is that? (Purely a rhetorical question)
Most child molesters believe the children enjoy being molested. Pedophiles believe it’s a society that makes child molestation.
My nephew would throw up before he went to day camp when he was 4 and my sister-in-law believed, at the time, it was because he was shy. She had no idea he was being molested. From age 5 to 10, he was scared of male strangers.
Rudy101, are you going to tell me that my nephew enjoyed being molested by his camp counselor? And later his Boy Scout troop leader? He was four years old at day camp, he had no idea what was going on completely, but he was so scared he used to throw up before camp. Why Rudy?
Do you have any remorse? Shame?
You’ve never mentioned it beforehand if you do.
All you talk about is how you’re a victim of the system. You never mentioned remorse once.
[insect]
I’d like to feel bad for your nephew. But then there’s you and the Registries. So, meh.
Why are you talking about remorse and shame? Do you really know so damn little about your glorious Registries? Surely you know that they do nothing useful but they are extremely good at destroying remorse, shame, empathy, and compassion. Surely you know that, yes? They are very good at breeding, promoting, and growing hate. So that’s what you get, and for nothing.
How would Registries ever have prevented what happened to your nephew? Do you think they are a substitute for background checks or something? Like the Boy Scout’s are going to hire a convicted child molester unless the Registries are there to stop it?! It’s just nonsense. Further, even while your glorious Registries exist, they don’t change the risk level of children going to camp AT ALL. Not in the slightest. You still have to protect your children. Big government is doing nothing.
Do you fantasize that a person listed on the Hit Lists cannot molest children? Lord, don’t make that mistake. The Hit Lists don’t even slightly hinder them. They do make them really, really want to hurt people though. They promote and encourage crime.
I don’t know. As long as your idiotic Registries, and especially, especially the even more idiotic, illegal “laws” that they have spawned, exist, I think you can stop worrying about remorse or shame. Or empathy or compassion. You probably should just shove all of that.
“People” who support Registries are harassing terrorists who cannot mind their own business or leave other families alone. They deserve consequences.
You realize you are making your own counter-argument because I doubt your nephew’s counselor was on a registry at that time and, therefore, did nothing to prevent the situation from happening.
NiceGuy, you just asked a total stranger if they felt bad for being “a child molester.” But you never answered the question yourself.
So what about yourself, NiceGuy? Do you feel bad about being a child molester? Do you wish you weren’t?
Rudy,
Do you know what a poor excuse for a human being is?
[redacted]
What does one have to do with the other? And how is knowing someone who was raped or molested relevant? Bizarre….
Oh I don’t know……
You love a rapist or a pedophile. I love a victim.
I believe, I have the moral high ground in this argument.
You know what they say about people who claim to hold the moral high ground.
That’s the really funny thing – “people” who support the Registries are immoral. They are enemies of good people. That is why actual war needs to be waged on them.
Nice guy, you are right on with most of your statistics (except for one, see below). But you have to put two and two together. Yes, sex crimes are rampant. And yes, nearly a million Americans are listed on sex offense registries.
But those two observations have almost nothing to do with each other. Other than the worst of the worst, it’s not those people already convicted and held to account that are committing these crimes. Someone who’s been crime free in the community for 10-15 years has about the same chance of committing another crime as anybody else. And about 95% of perpetrators do not even have a criminal record!
Do NOT rely on government sex offense registries to help protect your kids, or the community. They simply don’t work!
With this in mind, remember that “32 victims for every sex offender” is NOT a statistic!
I’m so sorry if your loved one is rapist or a pedophile maybe you should find better people to love.
Of all that data you compiled, how many of those incidents were committed by someone already on the registry?? I’ll wait….
Blah, blah, blah, blah. I didn’t read any of your statistics. They aren’t relevant.
The only thing that is relevant is that your glorious big government Registries don’t work. They don’t hinder anyone, even in the slightest, from committing any $EX crime that they’d like. Isn’t that hilarious? I think it is because the Registries have taught me that I don’t have to care, have empathy, or compassion. Because people suck. So I am free to hate all people who think Registries are acceptable. It is wonderful.
Further, not only do your glorious Hit Lists not hinder any crimes, they promote and encourage crimes, including $EX crimes. I am confident that there is more crime, including $EX crimes, because Registries exist. Registries truly are idiotic social policy.
But the great news is that Registries aren’t needed at all. They don’t help anyone. That is trivial to prove. Take a single mother with two neighbors – one of them is listed on the Hit List and one is not. Which of them has committed more $EX crimes? Which of them is more dangerous? Which of them might commit a crime tomorrow? Can the mother treat either of the two neighbors any differently and actually protect herself or her family?
The answers are simple and they are 100% proof of why no one needs Registries. Good parents and smart people already know that. They don’t need nanny big government to waste piles of resources to fake “protect” them. They protect themselves and their families from ALL people. Without the “help” of big government.
And all the while your glorious Hit Lists are doing nothing useful, they are causing grave damage to all of America. Did you know that your Hit Lists have been directly responsible for the murder of innocent children? I can name some of them. I doubt you can. I doubt you care. “People” who support the Hit Lists are doing it to get themselves off, get $$$$$, or for some other immoral reasons.
But hey, you want war, it’s being delivered. All the time. Enjoy hateful America, it’s working out really well for everyone.
It’s said that “shame” is one of the few sentiments a narcissist can relate to or, possibly, experience and I do know narcissists who engage in it, or activities to bring it on themselves — perhaps bc like all or other “sentient” beings (as Buddhists refer to humans) it’s the only feeling they can muster up to even pretend they are human in their overriding jealousy of such feeling creatures.
Don’t take that from them, Frank. It’s all they’ve got.
What the hell does “narcissist” have to do with any of this?
“People” who support Registries are narcissists that mostly support the Registries because it helps prop up their very weak self-esteem for a few minutes a week? The Registries make them feel just a little bit better about themselves? That does sound right.
The SOLUTION:
A RIGHT under the U.S. Constitution DUE PROCESS clause is recognized for a person to NOT be labeled as dangerous by a legislature. That means a person can affirmatively show he is not a danger to a court and all States have to recognize the judgement of that court.
It is funny, but there are 50 State laws on registry (plus territories). If you can get off of one registry in one state you are still liable for 49 other laws from other states. It is akin to committing a crime in one state and doing your time and then moving to another state and because their laws are a different punishment, you must serve that punishment too.
The registry can be civil IF individual circumstances are taken into consideration. It is NOT civil under any circumstances when the registry is solely used to isolate, deny, ostracize and purge for sole reason of existing on a registry regardless of circumstances of whether a person poses a danger to society.
Back up your claim and cite the Constitution article. LOL
Hey, buddy, old PAL! How’re tricks?
Since all the playgrounds are closed because of COVID-19 and Chucky E. Cheese filed for bankruptcy, [redacted]
[Redacted] Why would anyone worry about playgrounds if the magic big government Registries are around to protect all of us? I so believe in magic.
Will that’s the general idea, you can’t go near playgrounds by law.
You are wrong. [redacted]
But you keeping fantasizing that your nanny big government is keeping people safe. It’s quite a joke. Unfortunately, that joke has put every single person in America in more danger than they were. Oh well, it’s hateful, devolving country. Enjoy it.
The SOLUTION? I have a solution [redacted] [redacted].
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The difference is that those on the sex registry are a direct risk to the most vulnerable and innocent people in our society, children. The woman has a choice, she could divorce her husband, people get divorced for much lesser reasons. Attempting to make a generic point using an extreme case is not a winning approach. The U.S. judicial system is far from perfect, but it’s pretty good.
But if it was YOUR kid on the registry for a teenage affair or a sexting incident, you’d be humming a different tune. [redacted] There was no sex offender registry prior to the 1990s and life carried on as usual. [redacted]
Your life carried on. My nephews life didn’t carry on….As I write this my nephew sits in one bedroom apartment from agoraphobia and social anxiety disorders. He is 28.
He’s never had a girlfriend or a regular job.
He’s never had a sexual loving relationship with a woman.
You ever get raped or molested?
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So who is you love a rapist or a child molester?
Because nobody else would waste their time on this issue, defending monsters.
You know, if the Registries didn’t exist, I could possibly care about your nephew. But nope, I don’t have to worry about caring. You don’t either. No compassion, no empathy, and hate works for me. I live in it a lot better than 99% of the rest of the population does. I nurture it.
You should never wonder why no one cares. Perhaps you should try to stop harassing people just to get yourself off?
Maybe [redacted]
Anonymous — sometimes, LISTEN instead of spouting off the fear mongering, untrue, not factual dogma. No one is endorsing violent rape, but you are not understanding that the blanket approach without examining each nuance, research, circumstance, and actual event is a condemning and archaic life-destroying process.
Nuance?
We’re not talking about bedsheets and house furniture.
Ann, I’m sorry if you love a pedophile or rapist. Your love life is not society’s problem.
Listen?
Your pleas to end the registry will falling always fall on deaf ears.
Archaic law? The law was passed in 1994 not 1494.
What is archaic is child molesters being able to slither place to place and stay anonymous.
The sad truth is that a LOT of people are a direct risk to children. But you cannot rely on the sex offense registry to identify such people for you. I don’t know why you’d characterize the above as “an extreme case” at all.
@Anonymous,
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95% or greater of all sex offenses come from people NOT on the registry!!
They come from unknown, unregistered people like Teachers, Doctors, Clergy, Gym Coaches, etc. and 95% of the victims know their assailant!!
The Registry is an after-the-fact obligation!
People are sex offenders BEFORE they are caught.
No one walks into a police station and says “Hey, I’m going to go rape a woman or a child, but first let me enroll on the Registry”!
Also, the ‘Department of Justice’ did a 9 year study of those on the Registry and and hands-down concluded that convicted sex offenders have the lowest rate of recidivism of all felons!
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Your statement…..Registry is an after-the-fact obligation!….is very prolific in that it does NOT protect anyone. #abolishtheregistry
@Anonymous,
Hhahahaha!! What a joke!!
95% or greater of all sex offenses come from people NOT on the registry!!
They come from unknown, unregistered people like Teachers, Doctors, Clergy, Gym Coaches, etc. and 95% of the victims know their assailant!!
The Registry is an after-the-fact obligation!
People are sex offenders BEFORE they are caught.
No one walks into a police station and says “Hey, I’m going to go rape a woman or a child, but first let me enroll on the Registry”!
Also, the ‘Department of Justice’ did a 9 year study of those on the Registry and and hands-down concluded that convicted sex offenders have the lowest rate of recidivism of all felons!
Hahahaha!!
You don’t have a clue about the truth!
You should go find it out before you post any more of your baloney!
Your first sentence is 100% wrong. Bad start.
Your big government Registries don’t help anyone. Sorry to tell you. You can fantasize otherwise, but it is nothing but a fantasy. It’s trivial to prove as well.
Fantasize? It’s trivial to prove as well?
REALITY CHECK TIME!!!!!!!
When do you believe politicians or the Supreme Court will end the Sex Offender Registry?
Fantasy, ridiculous, and trivial are vocabulary words best applied to your movement going absolutely nowhere.
I don’t think the Sex Offense Registry will end any time soon.
And that is because America is FULL of immoral, awful morons, just FULL. Terrible, self-entitled, self-righteous, whining, pathetic scumbags. In fact, the vast majority of people in America are that. They have ALWAYS needed someone to hate. And look at them today! “Someone is telling me to wear a mask!! My freedom!” But of whining idiots.
I remember it wasn’t all that long ago that all you awesome Americans were just so, so outraged that “coloreds” would dare have the audacity to share the same water fountain as you great people. Wasn’t that cool? I bet you wish those days could return, don’t you? Because people who support the Registries are EXACTLY those people. Exactly.
The Registries don’t have to go anywhere. They can sit around, exist, and do nothing beneficial. But there will be damage and harm. Just as there has been for decades. That is certainly not going to stop. Innocent people are going to die because of your Registries. I know you don’t care, because they are getting you off. But some people care.
Don’t forget that you are complicit. Enjoy.
Slippery slope. After Will Allen gets rid of the registry, next he will work on getting the age of consent lowered to day-of-birth so there won’t be any more sex offenders!