This is the next in our series about Allison Mack – at the trial of Keith Alan Raniere. Mack was never called to testify after she pleaded guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy and avoided prosecution. This latest in our series may be more proof that Mack was a victim – a fool for Keith Alan Raniere – and not entirely a perpetrator.
Why is this important?
Because Allison is going to be sentenced – most likely in January 2020 – by the judge who overheard all of the many references to her at trial.
Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis will hand down a sentence – which for Allison could be as little as a suspended sentence – and as much as 40 years [a remarkable discretion over another human being’s life]. Some of our readers, who have followed this story for years, might want to evaluate her role in the criminal enterprise. Some may even want to write a letter to the judge.
In any event, this is the chance for readers to be the judge – of Allison and of Lauren too. There seems little doubt that they did some monstrous things – but how much of it was egged on and encouraged by the monster himself?
You be the judge.
It is Monday, May 20, 2019.
Lauren Salzman is on the witness stand in the trial against Raniere.
A month earlier, Lauren had pleaded guilty to racketeering and racketeering conspiracy and she had entered into a cooperation agreement in which she agreed to bare all – and testify against the man who had been her mentor and harem master for 20 years.
Lauren was 42. Raniere, who was present in court, was 58.
For more than 15 years, Lauren had been one of his harem members – and waiting for Keith to sire for her a baby. He had promised this but, as we shall see, he was hardly a man of his word.
Not present in the courtroom this day, but much-discussed, was Allison Mack. She too it seems – but more recently – had come to expect Raniere to sire for her a child.
We know from earlier revelations from the FBI that among Allison’s collateral that if she ever were to leave Raniere, she vowed to give him full custody of that child or children. As it turns out, this will not be necessary. Raniere will not be siring any children for years to come –since he is in prison and likely to remain there for several decades – provided he lives that long.
Assistant Us Attorney Tanya Hajjar was doing the examination of Lauren on Monday, May 20.
This was her second day of testimony. She had begun on Friday.
Lauren testified that she was a first-line master in DOS.
A … Keith was our master and we were enrolled directly under him. So we were considered slaves under him as our master. And then the second line would be the women that we enrolled who we were their master and they were slaves under us and it went down four lines.
Q And aside from the defendant, who was at the top, was everyone in DOS female?
Q Prior to joining DOS, were you aware of the defendant’s sexual relationships with first-line DOS masters?
A Some of them.
A Nicki [Clyne], Loreta [Garza], and Monica [Duran].
[Lauren named the other first-line slaves – Rosa Laura Junco, Camila Fernandez, Daniella Padilla, and Allison Mack]
A: Ali’s from California near Los Angeles. She was a childhood actress, so she grew up in the entertainment industry. Her father was a professional opera singer and her mother was her manager, as I understand, of her career.
Q And directing your attention to January or February 2018, did you have a conversation with Nicki Clyne about how she joined DOS?
Q What did she tell you?
A She told me that originally she had this commitment with Keith, and that she thought she was the only one who had that relationship — like she was his slave and he was her master and that was a thing that she thought they were just doing together just them. And then later, she came to learn that there were others that she hadn’t known about.
Q Did she struggle in particular with one other first-line DOS master?
A With Allison. I mean, she struggled coming to learn Keith’s [sexual] relationship with Allison.
Q Did Nicky Clyne get married while you were a member of DOS?
A Yes, to Allison.
Q At the time, who did you believe Nicki Clyne to be in a romantic relationship with?
Q Did you write a letter in support of Nicki Clyne and Allison’s – their marriage?
A I did.
[This was immigration fraud, it seems. And, of course, the old Raniere trick was played on Nicki Clyne. Clyne thought she was the only one in a special relationship with Keith.]
Over the next hour or so, Lauren spoke about DOS at length and how it worked. She explained she was branded at Allison’s house. But Allison was away at the time.
Q After you were branded, did you have a conversation with Allison Mack about having joined DOS?
A Yes, I did.
Q What was that discussion?
A Allison was very excited that I joined, and she felt excited to share everything that she had never been able to share that came with DOS.
And her experience with DOS was a little bit different than mine, but what she shared with me is that she never had a [sexual] relationship with Keith until she joined DOS.
So when Daniella [Padilla] enrolled her into DOS, she enrolled her also into a [sexual] relationship with Keith or it happened contemporaneously…. Allison didn’t really understand and I have never discussed with her what my [sexual] relationship with Keith was, so she was very excited and enthusiastic — like, ‘Isn’t this great? Like now not only do you have this master [Raniere] but you have all these new sister wives.’ She was so excited about that.
And I was [thinking] ‘I’ve had sister wives for 20 years…. it’s been something that’s been incredibly difficult for me,’ and …. I didn’t know about some of these relationships, including Allison’s, which I just learned about then. So for me, it wasn’t as exciting as it was for her.
But … I didn’t share that with her because I didn’t want her to not be enthusiastic or feel happy about her experience and I didn’t want her to feel like she couldn’t share things with me. But for me, it was really hard.
Q Did [Allison] mention children in this conversation?
A I’m not sure if it was this conversation or after, but she was like, ‘yeah, we’re going to raise our babies together and we’re going to do all these things.’ And I came to learn that she believed she was having children with Keith.
Daniella [Padilla] also now is believing she was having children with Keith and for me, this was just a lot to learn.
[Since Lauren had been promised she would have Keith’s child.]
A … I went to Keith and [asked] ‘You’re having babies with Allison and Daniella?’ and he said ‘No, not
necessarily,’ … he acted like he didn’t know really quite where they got that idea.
… I had a subsequent conversation with Daniella where Daniella was describing that she and Keith had discussed how they were going go about doing this…. Daniella was going go to Marianna [Fernandez – one of Keith’s harem members who he lived with] and ask Marianna for permission for Keith to be the [sperm] donor… to make it like [to lie] to Marianna that it wasn’t a relationship, that he was just going to be the donor.
So then I went back to Keith and [said] ‘We have to ask Marianna for her permission to have kids, to have you be the donor?’
And so then he acknowledged that he had had that conversation with Daniella which negated [he lied] the first conversation where he said he wasn’t discussing having children with them, and then didn’t seem to understand why it would be a problem for me to ask Marianna …if he could be the donor.
[Yes, so Keith lied again, and again. He first told Lauren that he did not know how Allison and Daniela got the idea that he would sire children for them – and then he admitted it. As part of his constant lying – he wanted them to ask Mariana if he could be the sperm donor. Why? Because he was also lying to Mariana – promising her that she would have a child – and lying to her about not having sex with these other women.]
For those still in Nxivm – such as Nicki Clyne, Mariana Fernandez, Kathy Russell, Clare Bronfman, Loreta Garza, Jimena Garza, Samantha LeBaron and a host of others – He is your Vanguard. Believe in him.
And Viva Executive Success!
He is so gross. How can any female find that hairy body appealing? Hope he gets 20 to life. He will become the prison bitch.
Lauren Salzman is beautiful. There, I said it.
That’s awesome. I do not disagree. But I think that little dipshit Bangcock somehow has dibs.
Bangkok does have dibs…. little cretin that he is.
I think Allison is more a victim than a perpetrator, I mean, at the beggining she was brainwashed (just like the other victims were), I think she really believed she was making the wolrd a better place and that she was battling her own demons (just like the other girls thought they were when they commited), unfortunately for Allison, she was just too far gone to be saved, her family didn’t fight for her and had no one to try and rescue her so fiercely like it happened for example with India (it took several years to “rescue” India cause’ she wanted to stay in NXVIM and she’s not seen as a perpetrator thanks to that but she did bad things jut like Sarah and others did), she was a public figure and was already collateralized, starved and sleep deprived, she was broken from Vicente’s testimony. I don’t believe she was evil, I think she was just too stupid and naive, but sadly that doesn’t excuse her actions, had she took on the same route as the other so called victims did, like going public about it to paint herself as a full victim, writing a book, testifying or whateaver, she wouldn’t be seen as such a monster, I mean she didn’t even had the chance to speak up and defend herself like Lauren did and now Lauren is seen as much a victim compared to her.
She was left with no options, she wanted to have a fair separate trial but her request was denied, she had to plead guilty by pressure even if she didn’t felt that way, a trial along with Raniere would have doomed anyone (just look at how it ended for himself), the other defendants avoided the same thing because they knew that would finish them off, I think by now she at least deserves some sympathy and respect because she has endured a lot of things and haven’t had the chance to defend herself, I’m really looking for the moment in which se have the chance to speak her side, I know she deserves to be punished but ¿what kind of punishment would be fare for her case having all the evidence and facts (good and bad) on the table?
1.) “Allison Mack Was Excited About Having ‘Sister Wives’ and ‘Raising Our Babies Together’”
2.) “Lori Tottleben
September 30, 2019 at 6:32 pm
How is it that KR was having sex with all these women, but there didn’t seem to be any pregnancies or babies being born?”
We’ve heard all this before!
There is a name for the Utopia that so excited Allison Mack.
In the 1940s the Nazis called it “Lebensborn”
It was a program by the SS which was led by Heinrich Himmler.
The Vanguard of the human race was the blond haired, blue eyed Aryan men of Europe.
These Supermen , Übermenschen in German, would breed with racially pure women who were stabled in homes like breed horses in maternity homes to produce a race of genetically superior human beings.
The off-spring of these unions would be educated in special schools to follow the teachings of Der Führer.
Special Schools like the Rainbow Cultural Gardens.
And it was all to be done for the betterment of the human race.
Of course in NXIVM’s Lebensborn the world’s Third Smartest Man was to breed with cadaverous bad ass warriors like Allison Mack and Lauren Salzman.
“Lebensborn e.V. (literally: “Fount of Life”) was an SS-initiated, state-supported, registered association in Nazi Germany with the goal of raising the birth rate of Aryan children of persons classified as racially pure and healthy based on Nazi racial hygiene and health ideology. Lebensborn provided welfare to its mostly unmarried mothers, encouraged anonymous births by unmarried women at their maternity homes,”
“Lebensborn expanded into several occupied European countries with Germanic populations during the Second World War. It included the selection of racially worthy orphans for adoption and care for children born from Aryan women who had been in relationships with SS members.”
“During the war, many children were kidnapped from their parents and judged by Aryan criteria for their suitability to be raised in Lebensborn homes”
“At the Nuremberg Trials, much direct evidence was found of the kidnapping of children by Nazi Germany, across Greater Germany during the period 1939–1945.”
And so the liberal Allison Mack was excited by a breeding experiment to improve the human race that was similar to what the Nazis wanted for Europe.
Alison Mack is more German than I thought.
Heil Vanguard, the World’s Third Smartest Man!
In my humble opinion I think it would be better for the human race if the inner sanctum of the NXIVM cult did not breed at all.
“Why is this important?
Because Allison is going to be sentenced – most likely in January 2020 – by the judge who overheard all of the many references to her at trial.”
I doubt it matter to the court…they know what they know and you, writing here, isn’t gonna have impact (good or bad).
Be honest, it’s just for the clicks…period
” Some of our readers, who have followed this story for years, might want to evaluate her role in the criminal enterprise. Some may even want to write a letter to the judge.”
What a nice idea…let’s bother a judge who know the whole story with letter from people who know nothing…
Once again, he will not listen anyone from here (good or bad) as you published nothing but BS lately (atleast 60%).
And how is it ok for bystander with no knowledge of the case to actually judge her? this is exactly because of this that we have Shadow, Actaeon and Anonymakers…
“In any event, this is the chance for readers to be the judge ”
Seeing how you directed the whole case against Allison…they surely will judge appropriatly.
“There seems little doubt that they did some monstrous things – but how much of it was egged on and encouraged by the monster himself?”
Excuse me? Everything (in Allison’s case) was FORCED by the monster himself…Coercion,remember?
As for Lauren, she was coerced too but committed crime BEFORE coercion (unlike Allison who started after coercion(which in the eyes of law mean a lot)).
“Lauren testified that she was a first-line master in DOS.
A … Keith was our master and we were enrolled directly under him. So we were considered slaves under him as our master. And then the second line would be the women that we enrolled who we were their master and they were slaves under us and it went down four lines.”
But wait, i though Allison was a leader…not a slave. The collateral/coercion, Sleep deprivation , the forced diet, everything sounded much like she was “willingly” a “leader”!
“Q Did she struggle in particular with one other first-line DOS master?
A With Allison. I mean, she struggled coming to learn Keith’s [sexual] relationship with Allison.”
This explains her many betrayal (including the video where she is aiming at Allison…
“This was immigration fraud, it seems. ”
Not it doesn’t seem, it IS if provable…She (lauren) said she believed Nicky was in relation with keith.
It doesn’t prove that Allison wasn’t betrayed yet again with a fake marriage.
“Over the next hour or so, Lauren spoke about DOS at length and how it worked. She explained she was branded at Allison’s house. But Allison was away at the time.”
Which house? the one she was renting to someone? the one YOU said was hers but (but it’s not) or the condo that she was renting in june 2017 (after branding)?
“And her experience with DOS was a little bit different than mine, but what she shared with me is that she never had a [sexual] relationship with Keith until she joined DOS.”
So that prove the “non consensual” part as she was under coercion
“So when Daniella [Padilla] enrolled her into DOS, she enrolled her also into a [sexual] relationship with Keith or it happened contemporaneously…. ”
Funny, i thought she was the leader ,creator and everything but it seem like she is just…like any DOS slave
“Allison didn’t really understand and I have never discussed with her what my [sexual] relationship with Keith was, so she was very excited and enthusiastic — like, ‘Isn’t this great? Like now not only do you have this master [Raniere] but you have all these new sister wives.’ She was so excited about that.”
Important to remind that this is in 2016 and Allison was already 3 years in her dangerous diet…She wasn’t really in a proper position to thing sanely.
Before Nxivm, she would never react like that (and to be honest, i doubt it’s really enthousiasm)
What this piece is showing is that Allison was oblivious of the reality (not really a leader, if you ask me), Delusional (but with her diet, i’d probably see a lot of strange things…), and seriously not in power.
Better yet, we see that Raniere didn’t told her anything and that she was enrolled by …Daniella Padilla.
Yet some will maintain that she was a grandmaster, who was the one keeping the collateral (while Daniella is cited for the 3rd time as the one holding the collaterals (she enrolled her)).
This is coming from someone who was under oath and had nothing to gain to lie about this.this is actually the reality.
Allison is a pawn, coerced to be part of the schemes (and to have sex as she didn’t until she was collateralized), under a severe diet (to deprave her from her will and her mind).
Knowing Allison, i know it has NOTHING to do with who she normally is (like before Nxivm)…and from what i know, it has nothing to do with her now that she is not starved anymore.
What horrible news!
Our precious, delicate fragile flower Nicki Clyne was going to be the girlfriend of the world’s third smartest man and who comes along to spoil the show by stealing Raniere from the lovely Nicki Clyne but Nicki’s supposedly dear friend Allison.
Allison is like Cain to Nicki’s Abel.
Nicki opens her heart and her hand to her friend Allison and Allison pays Nicki back by stealing Nicki’s boyfriend.
The pain Nicki must have suffered after Allison betrayed her.
Allison Mack is one Vicious Vamp.
Allison Mack is one Horrible Harridan.
My heart weeps for the damage Allison Mack has inflicted on the tender Nicki Clyne.
Nicki Clyne is the victim of the perpetrator Allison Mack.
How is it that KR was having sex with all these women, but there didn’t seem to be any pregnancies or babies being born?
As was revealed during his trial, Keith Alan Raniere ordered his women to have abortions and it was admitted by his attorney that there were literally dozens of abortions.
Excuse me for changing the subject, but I you could just confirm that, for example, this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:U21980 is you? Could you please list all the Wikipedia sockpuppet accounts you had while you were working for NXIVM?
To whom are you addressing this inquiry?
As for me I don’t change any information that is placed on Wikipedia.
Could it be that Allison Mack is such a sad sack of a woman, an unstable woman with a brutal, cruel, sadistic personality that the only way that she could have a stable relationship with a man was a one member of a large harem?
Could it be that Allison Mack could never hope to be in a monogamous relationship with a man because her personality is so fragile and brittle that she could only share a man with the help of numerous other women?
So called sister wives?
Parenthetically I wonder where Allison Mack got the phrase “sister wife”.
Was it from the TV show about Mormon polygamy titled “Big Love”?
Or does Mack have a family background in Mormonism like several other females in NXIVM have?
The Le Barons.
And what is it about Allison Mack’s personality that attracts her to such an obvious pedophile as Keith Raniere?
Most normal women don’t want a sister wife relationship but maybe that was only the best that the needy self-centered Allison Mack could handle.
Sharing a man with ten, twenty, one hundred other women.
After all in Allison Mack’s social media profile she always refers to herself as “34 and counting” or “35 and counting”.
Obviously Allison Mack was afraid of becoming an old maid.
The great author Mark Twain, regarded by many as the Father of American Literature had this to say about Mormon Polygamy:
“Our stay in Salt Lake City amounted to only two days, and therefore we had no time to make the customary inquisition into the workings of polygamy and get up the usual statistics and deductions preparatory to calling the attention of the nation at large once more to the matter. ”
“I had the will to do it. With the gushing self-sufficiency of youth I was feverish to plunge in headlong and achieve a great reform here—until I saw the Mormon women. Then I was touched. My heart was wiser than my head. It warmed toward these poor, ungainly and pathetically “homely” creatures, and as I turned to hide the generous moisture in my eyes, I said, “No–the man that marries one of them has done an act of Christian charity which entitles him to the kindly applause of mankind, not their harsh censure–and the man that marries sixty of them has done a deed of open-handed generosity so sublime that the nations should stand uncovered in his presence and worship in silence.”
Mark Twain on Mormon Women – 1861
Roughing It – Chapter 14, pages 97-98
Modern day Mormons understand all too well the evils of Polygamy.
Here is what Mormon former Senator Harry Reid, himself a Mormon, had to say about polygamy.
“Reid: Polygamous groups are criminal gangs
July 24, 2008
WASHINGTON, July 24 (UPI) — Polygamous groups are criminal gangs that commit welfare fraud and tax evasion as well as sexual abuse, U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday.
Reid, D-Nev., a Mormon, spoke at the opening of a Judiciary Committee hearing on the communities, the Deseret Morning News reported. He said he was glad the hearing was being held on Pioneer Day, a Utah holiday commemorating the arrival of the Latter-Day Saints in Salt Lake City.
“I am here to tell you that polygamist communities in the United States are a form of organized crime,” he said. “The most obvious crime being committed in these communities is bigamy, child abuse — teen and preteen girls are forced to marry older men and bear their children.”
Harry Reid is not only describing Mormon polygamy, he is describing NXIVM.
You said that Lauren talked for an hour about DOS. Can you share the whole transcript? I’m interested in more than just Allison Mack and her plight.
When Lauren said that DOS went down four lines, is that starting with KR or from the first line slaves? So for example was it like Keith-Allison-India-India’s slave? or did down 4 start with the first line such as Allison-India-India’s slave-India’s slave’s slave??
Did Lauren mention how many slaves each one of the first line masters had? I thought someone had like 28 or something while someone only had 1.
I will be getting to the rest of her testimony when I begin a series on Lauren. This post focuses on Allison.
Thanks for the reply, but do you know the answer to the question about the slave line and how many slaves each of the first line masters had?
Also while it will be interesting to see what bits of Lauren’s testimony you focus on when you get to her, in the meantime, can you just share her complete testimony. I realize you are busy writing about many things so it might be sometime before you get around to it.
It is possible that BOTH ATE TRUE. That Alison Mack is both victim and perpetrator. I watch a lot of crime shows like Killer Couples and a bunch of them show abused wives committing the most brutal of crimes. Does it make them less guilty? No. Should they be able to use it as an excuse to avoid punishment? No. But it should always be taken into account as to why the crimes were committed in the first place.
LOL. You are spot on, Femvamp. Not sure why this is so hard for many to comprehend (as I picture shadow pounding away on the library keyboard).
Thank you for answering your two questions for us. Otherwise, you’d be barraged with a bunch of hot takes from idiots comparing Nazis with NXIVM.
If you ignore the starvation, the coercion and the sleep deprivation, Yes AlLison is both….
But the reality is that she is WAY more victim than anything (mostly because of the collateral)
“Should they be able to use it as an excuse to avoid punishment? No”
Not fair…If it was another case, a lady kill to protect her own life, would it be fair to send her in jail for saving her own life?
And for Allison case, Coercion is a powerfull motivator as shown in this case (with the other victims)…How fair would it be to ignore the collateral for some but use it as an explaination to defend the behavior of others?
Allison was coerced (and to an extreme level), it’s like a gun on the head.
Nicole was also coerced and it’s used to prove that she didn’t want to do what she did…
Isn’t that double standard to ignore a fact for one person (to explain the circumstance) but to use it for another person as an excuse?
Sorry but the coercion isn’t a question and being a powerfull motivator, It can be used to defend someone (in this case, Allison).
No matter what happens to Allison moving forward, nobody can say that she hasn’t already faced punishment.
Allison Mack did not , could not and will not ever make a good wife – either as a sister wife or any kind of wife. She betrayed our lord and our master. Fie on Allison Mack.
To Pea Onyu aka Nicki Clyne:
So Allison Mack horned in on your relationship with the Vanguard.
A pushy woman who can’t keep her hands off of other women’s boyfriends.
Allison Mack is a “Relationship Wrecker.”
Allison Mack is a Shrew who steals other women’s boyfriends.
Allison Mack is a She-Devil who stole your man.
The man you loved and love to this day.
How many years should this harpy Allison Mack get in prison?
When Allison Mack gets out of prison do you want to make her your slave?
You were victimized by that brazen Hussy Allison Mack who stole your glorious Vanguard and his Magic Wand from you!
You opened up to let that Jezebel Allison Mack into the inner sanctum of NXIVM and the Holy Harem and she paid you back by betraying you.
My heart bleeds for you, sister.
You are a kind and gentle soul and Allison Mack paid you back by betrayal.
God will be sure to punish her treachery towards you when she rots in prison.
She who laughs last laughs best.