MK10ART's chilling painting of Lauren Salzman describing the horrors of Keith Raniere and how they all worshiped him at one time.

Lauren Salzman: Incredible Cruelty to Daniela, DOS Slave Spying on Child Molester and Lauren’s Brand Was Made Too Large

By Dianne Lipson

Lauren Salzman continued her testimony on the afternoon of Tuesday, May 21st.  She wore a white, long cardigan over a white dress shirt and black dress pants.  Her clothes were flowing. You could see she was thin, but it was hard to tell just how thin she was.

Direct examination by the government continued and Lauren provided more information about Daniela, the Mexican woman who was confined in a room in Clifton Park, N.Y. for nearly two years.

Lauren said Daniela is now in Mexico. [She is expected to testify during this trial in Brooklyn.]

Lauren spoke of Daniela going to Mexico after she left the room. She was driven by her father from New York to Texas and left at, or near, the border. Her father, also a member of Nxivm, gave her $200, then left her without identification papers, birth certificate, or passport.

Keith withheld these documents from her as part of her punishment.

Daniela began to try to find work and a place to live in Mexico. But Keith had more punishment in mind.  To atone for her ethical breach, Lauren testified, and to worm her way back into his good graces, Keith gave Daniela a series of lengthy and time-consuming book report assignments.

Daniela said she didn’t have time to do these reports [for which Raniere likely had little need for – other than to make work for her.]

Her family, however, who were all brainwashed by Keith, thought Daniela was just making up stories, and lying about not having time to do these [important] book reports. [It had to be important since Keith himself assigned them.]

Daniela was told to submit a book report every seven days or it would demonstrate a lack of character on her part. If she did the reports, she might be permitted to return to Clifton Park and rejoin her family and serve Keith.

[Her two sisters and brother were living in Clifton Park. Her parents came and went. Years before, they had dropped their children off to be mentored by Keith. He wound up sleeping with all three girls – Daniella, Mariana, and Camilia.]

Lauren testified that Daniela was claiming, “I’m trying to find work and a place to live. I don’t have time to do this book report.”

[Remember, Daniela had been kept in a room for nearly two years, then was left in Mexico with no papers and no money. Keith was withholding her papers.]

Lauren went along with the whole thing, agreeing with Keith that “Danielle is just making up stories again.”

There were exhibits offered in evidence to support the incredible cruelty of Keith and [cooperating witness] Lauren and the mindlessly stupid father of Daniela.  The father agreed that his daughter, Daneila, was “still playing games.”

[He was evidently unaware that the fight between Keith and Daniela was really over her not being willing to be part of his harem. She did not tell him that. Nor did Keith reveal the reason for Daniela’s punishment.]

Daniela emailed, requesting they send her her legal documents. She said she won’t have the book report ready. She’s just started the report. She had no money. Without papers, she can’t get a visa to go back to Clifton Park anyway. She can’t get a visa without her ID and other documents.

She wrote, “Why won’t you send me my papers?”  She wasn’t asking for money. She couldn’t renew her passport or open a bank account without papers. It was hard to get a job.

“What am I supposed to do? What do you want me to do?” she wrote, begging to get her papers back from Keith and Lauren.

Lauren testified that they refused to give Daniela her documents.

In an email, Lauren told Daniela that she had not offered a word of apology for what she did.  She was just making requests and demands. That Daniela was not being proactive. She was asking other people to do things, [return her papers, for instance, that she was legally entitled to possess]. But she wasn’t being proactive.

Lauren thought Daniela was not committed enough to Keith.

Lauren [now that she is testifying before the judge who will sentence her] now thinks these emails to Daniela were incredibly abusive and horrendous.

Lauren now says that Daniela did what she was supposed to do, but was always shut down. It was never good enough for Keith. She was always considered manipulative.

“Nothing she could do was the right thing,” Lauren said.

Because Keith said Daniela was manipulative, Lauren and Daniela’s family came to see it that way.

[Again, keep in mind that at the time Keith was punishing Daniela, he was having sex with both of her sisters, Camilia and Mariana and the parents didn’t know. Keep in mind that the punishment of Daniela was solely because she would not join Keith’s harem and wanted to date Ben Myers. The initial fight was over Keith wanting her to  “take a nap” with him and her own sister Mariana {knowing Keith, the nap would not likely have been very restful, but much more likely to have been a sex romp with the two sisters.} Keep in mind that Keith started having sex with Daniela’s youngest sister, Camilia when she was 13, according to Camilia’s abortion records].

But Daniela was the one, Keith said, who was manipulative.

After completing her testimony about Daniela which included ample evidence of one of Lauren [and Keith’s] crimes – withholding Daniela’s legal documents [document servitude] – Lauren next discussed “shunning.”

She said she shunned her own father for nearly a decade on Keith’s orders.

Keith told Lauren and her sister, Michelle, to shun their own father [Dr. Michael Salzman] and they did so.

MK10ART’s beautiful painting of Susan Dones – the hero of the Nxivm 9, who led the women out of Nxivm in 2009 which began the cratering of Nxivm.Lauren talked about the circumstances behind that: One of the Nxivm 9 [the group of nine women led by Susan Dones who left Nxivm in 2009] had been working in her father’s office for some time.  The woman – Nina Cowell – was now a defector.  Keith wanted her fired. Dr. Salzman, who was not a serious Nxivm member [he had taken a few classes], refused to fire Nina.

Lauren and her sister Michelle were then ordered by Keith to shun their father – so they never spoke to him again or saw him [that was in 2009].

To give a little more flavor of life in Nxivm, Lauren testified about other things such as that Rick Ross was considered a criminal by Keith and was told he had kidnapped people out of a religion.

She spoke about the Ross lawsuit, and how Stephanie Franco took Nxivm courses and gave confidential  Nxivm material to Ross who put it on his website, which was the genesis of the lawsuit against Ross and Franco. That was, of course, a terrible thing to Keith and Lauren at the time.

There was discussion about Barbara Bouchey, one of Keith’s harem members, where we learned [and it is no surprise to Frank Report readers] that Bouchey’s nickname was Ya. [Keith claimed Bouchey was a former top Nazi in a past life – Reinhard Heydrich].

At one point, Nikki Clyne was living about a mile away from where most of the other Nxivm people were living, and she was told she should move closer.

Keith ordered the spying on Robbie [son of Nxivm inner circle member Esther Chiappone Carlson]. Robbie’s conduct – according to Keith – was seen as a potential liability. [Although there had been a New York State Police investigation into alleged child molesting, no charges were brought against Robbie. Another instance where the New York State Police protected NXIVM and its members from prosecution for crimes].

Because of this, Robbie was required to report all his activities to Lauren, everything that he did, every day – which she, in turn, would report to Keith.

Keith said that Robbie was lying to Lauren and not telling her everything that he did.  Keith decided that they should do a setup. For this, they used Nicole – the DOS slave [and actress] who, readers may recall, was blindfolded and tied down while Keith had someone unknown to her [Camila] give her oral sex.

Nicole was assigned to spy on Robbie.  The plan was for Robbie to ‘accidentally on purpose’ meet Nicole, who he did not know. Nicole, a striking brunette, was to meet Robbie somehow, some way, but to not let on she was part of Nxivm or that she was spying on Robbie.  She was basically posing as a random woman and was ordered to ‘seduce’ him, but not actually have sex with him. They wanted to see if Robbie reported his interactions with Nicole to Lauren [and hence to Keith.]

Nicole gave him a false name and created a false Facebook account and she met Robbie repeatedly.

Lauren was concerned about Nicole spending time with Robbie since he was – according to Keith – dangerous and she was worried that Nicole was spending all this time with him.

Things got more complicated when, evidently, Nicole appeared in a promotional video for Nxivm and Lauren, alarmed, asked that Nicole be edited out of the video just in case Robbie might see it and find out that Nicole was in Nxivm and was a spy. Lauren thought that might put Nicole in danger because Lauren thought Robbie was a danger to women.

It was not clear if Robbie reported back to Keith about his meetings with Nicole.

In reference to her role as a cooperating witness, Lauren testified that she asked for a meeting with the government and met the FBI on more than one occasion with her lawyer. She ultimately signed a cooperation agreement. She told the government about crimes that Keith and others committed and her own crimes. Her cooperation agreement was entered into evidence as an exhibit.

In it, Lauren promised to provide truthful and complete information or the cooperation agreement would be voided. In return, she hoped to get a letter from the government regarding her cooperation which might be helpful in advising the judge on sentencing her.  The government made no other promises to her besides providing this letter. Her sentencing is set for September 11th.

We learned that both India Oxenberg and Allison Mack gave the government thumb drives [which evidence their cooperation]. These were admitted into evidence as exhibits. And part of the afternoon was devoted to playing audio of meetings with first line DOS slaves.  The prosecution played long stretches of these meeting. This took over an hour.

In one audio, Keith is talking about collateral and committees. He uses the word “craft” to mean committees – groups of people who are responsible for some aspect of the DOS work.

In these meetings, they are laughing and joking around, like they were planning the office picnic instead of talking about very disturbing things such as branding women.

There was to be a craft that dealt with challenges, a craft to deal with punishment. This was at the early stages of DOS.  The second meeting discussed the brand and it sounded like it took place before the branding actually happened.

This was at times incredibly boring to listen to. Keith does not have a compelling speaking style. Everybody around me in court was shifting in their seats. I was fighting to stay awake. But there were a few gems.

I think the purpose of showing this was to reveal how involved Keith was in DOS.

In one meeting Keith said the brand is his initials. Keith says the brand is K -A – R for his initials.

There was some discussion about having a tattoo above the brand to indicate who the slave’s master is [her lineage] and some kind of numbering system for slaves.

There was also discussion about getting a machine to do the branding. And a discussion about where to put the brand on women’s bodies.  They finally decided to put it on the right side, above the pubic hair [not below] so it could be seen.  The size of the brand was discussed.

The brand was supposed to be one inch by one inch. Lauren’s brand is about two and a half inches by three inches. And that was a mistake. It was supposed to be smaller.

There was also discussion about the branding being seen by non-DOS members.  Keith wanted a million women branded with his initials. There would, obviously, be men, sleeping with various women, who might see different women with the same brand. Doctors would also see different women with the brands and husbands would see their wives branded. So Keith [the genius] knew they couldn’t really keep the brand itself secret.

Eventually, the brands would be leaked to the media and more people would see it and eventually it would be popular.

As DOS grew, Keith thought it would become fashionable to have the brand [with Keith’s initials on the pubis].

The world’s smartest man.

Keith also talked about the size of the circle of slaves and how a circle might be 10 or 12 people or maybe, he thought, up to 500.

There was also discussion about video cameras installed on the outside of homes in Knox Woods [where Keith and many of the Nxivm members lived].

Camilia wasn’t at a meeting where a lot of discussion about bringing her into the inner circle occurred. Loretta Garza felt Keith always took Camilia’s side. Loretta was Camilia’s boss at Rainbow Cultural Gardens.  Loreta felt that Keith gave preferential treatment to Camilla [maybe he did; he started having sex with her when she was 13].  Keith was urging them to agree to bring Camilla into DOS.

Keith said, ‘I’m doing this by a democratic process. If I were a different kind of Master, I could just order you to take her in. But I’m doing this democratically.”

Even though Keith said he was doing it by a democratic process, he was definitely pushing against opposition to get what he wanted.  He said it would be so much easier to deal with this if he were talking to men.

Lauren will be cross-examined on Wednesday and a new witness [unknown] is expected to be called.

MK10ART’s wonderful depiction of Keith Raniere with his naked first line slaves. Note Lauren sitting naked on left.

 

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  • “There was also discussion about the branding being seen by non-DOS members. Keith wanted a million women branded with his initials.

    As DOS grew, Keith thought it would become fashionable to have the brand [with Keith’s initials on the pubis].

    The world’s smartest man.”

    Amazing how the world’s smartest man was living on his own planet, very far away from reality. He was not only a total psychopath, he was also megalomaniac and mythomaniac as hell. Amazing also how is ideas of grandeur were fully believed and shared by his devotees, also living on another planet. All his ideas of secret society conspiring to get the power over the world, creating his own army of slaves ready to die for him, show how Raniere was evolvong with the mind of a retarded teenager dreaming his was the genious bad guy in some James Bond’s movies.

    • —show how Raniere was evolvong with the mind of a retarded teenager

      I LOLed at this.

      The irony that the guy who convinced others that life was supposed to be about growing and evolving was still stuck in the mindset of a nascent post pubescent horny teenager.

      • A scumbag lying loser lawyer who was the apple of the Democraps eye. Shit he thought about running for President on the Demoncrat side of course. Just a little less than a year ago fake news CNN couldn’t get enough of the asshole

  • Damn, MK10ART really nailed Lauren’s nose in that drawing. The ‘scale’ of her nose is correct in that drawing.

    Would like to see MK10ART nail Allison’s cankles in a similar DOS ceremony drawing.

  • Damn, MK10ART really nailed Lauren’s nose in that drawing. The ‘scale’ of her nose is correct in that drawing.

    Would like to see MK10ART nail Allison’s cankles in a similar DOS ceremony drawing.

  • Nice, consice report as always Dianne.

    Interesting that Lauren was “taking a nap” with KAR just before the Federales barged in — when she claims KAR was not having sex with her, was hurting her by forcing her to pose naked among those he WAS having sex with, etc.

    KAR is notorious for his incubus-like activities when it comes to a “napping” female. (I dubbed Keith an incubus after he tried to rape me while sleeping but he convinced Gina it was the other way around. I was forever after portrayed as a “succubus” among the groupies and some appeared to take it literally.)

    No one gets into bed with KAR or anywhere near KAR while drowsy without expecting the incubus to appear — as I learned the hard way.

    Another incongruity among many Lauren is spewing that I highly doubt will be “examined” on the cross-examination of her testimony, is Lauren’s relationship to the horrid “HECTOR” — Dani and her sisters’ father — whom Lauren was apparently on a first name basis with — something very unusual in Mexican culture for a single younger woman and married older man in a strictly business relationship to begin with, which at least indicates a pre-existing familiarity between Lauren and Hector.

    Again, the “N” word, Nancy, was not mentioned in this scenario.

    “Hector,” allegedly called Lauren to pronounce that Dani wanted to join NX instead of going to college. “Hector” conveniently had Lauren’s phone number, too.

    Was Dani ever asked what SHE wanted before being trafficked-

    And if Lauren had her heart set on being the Avatar baby mama — if this wasn’t a business transaction but a show of her devotion to KAR — why would she help import younger, more fertile, more vulnerable, extortable virgins — due to both their illegal status and the way female promiscuity is still viewed by Hector’s generation in traditional Hispanic culture-

    • What the fuck does “consice” mean-

      Get a dictionary please.

      Reminds me of the time you used the word “publically” in a post, which made me think you were retarded cuz it wasn’t a typo (you honestly didn’t know how to spell ‘publicly’ correctly). 🙂

      Oh… …And finding grammar or spelling errors in my own past posts won’t prove shit. 🙂

      • Wow Bangkok….

        Frank let you back…….

        Fuck you Frank 😉

        *****
        Don’t be offended Parlato I left that cute little smiley face at the end… like Bangkok does so you know I am joking…… you know I am joking just like Bangkok.

        Oh Parlato you dumb mother f*cker……. 😉

        LOL

        Bangkok you using the free internet at the library again-

    • Heidi,

      You make some very insightful and most likely accurate, observations about Lauren Salzman and her testimony.

      In the Salzman family apparently apples don’t fall far from the tree.

      *****

      20 years go by and Lauren is always at the breaking point…….and about to quit…
      Did Lauren lie to her mom-
      Was it so difficult to lie for years-

      Something does not add up.

      Heidi I am glad you pointed Lauren’s disingenuous retelling of the story. You are right.

  • Nice, consice report as always Dianne.

    Interesting that Lauren was “taking a nap” with KAR just before the Federales barged in — when she claims KAR was not having sex with her, was hurting her by forcing her to pose naked among those he WAS having sex with, etc.

    KAR is notorious for his incubus-like activities when it comes to a “napping” female. (I dubbed Keith an incubus after he tried to rape me while sleeping but he convinced Gina it was the other way around. I was forever after portrayed as a “succubus” among the groupies and some appeared to take it literally.)

    No one gets into bed with KAR or anywhere near KAR while drowsy without expecting the incubus to appear — as I learned the hard way.

    Another incongruity among many Lauren is spewing that I highly doubt will be “examined” on the cross-examination of her testimony, is Lauren’s relationship to the horrid “HECTOR” — Dani and her sisters’ father — whom Lauren was apparently on a first name basis with — something very unusual in Mexican culture for a single younger woman and married older man in a strictly business relationship to begin with, which at least indicates a pre-existing familiarity between Lauren and Hector.

    Again, the “N” word, Nancy, was not mentioned in this scenario.

    “Hector,” allegedly called Lauren to pronounce that Dani wanted to join NX instead of going to college. “Hector” conveniently had Lauren’s phone number, too.

    Was Dani ever asked what SHE wanted before being trafficked?

    And if Lauren had her heart set on being the Avatar baby mama — if this wasn’t a business transaction but a show of her devotion to KAR — why would she help import younger, more fertile, more vulnerable, extortable virgins — due to both their illegal status and the way female promiscuity is still viewed by Hector’s generation in traditional Hispanic culture?

    • What the fuck does “consice” mean?

      Get a dictionary please.

      Reminds me of the time you used the word “publically” in a post, which made me think you were retarded cuz it wasn’t a typo (you honestly didn’t know how to spell ‘publicly’ correctly). 🙂

      Oh… …And finding grammar or spelling errors in my own past posts won’t prove shit. 🙂

  • The writer of this story is misinformed..yes..Susan was a member if the Nx 9, but not the leader . Those of us who were are fully aware who brought us together. I wonder why Diane keeps asserting this—

    • I’ve never heard Susan say she was the leader of the NX 9 nor would she want that title. I think she is glad to be out of NX and glad to be away from Barbara Bouchey. Susan has shard with me that she stopped communicating with Bouchey shortly after leaving because Bouchey was just as controlling and abusive as the rest of NX inner circle was, in her opinion.

    • Susan Dones owned the camera……
      …….She who owns the camera owns the recording……..She who owns the recording……
      ………..Owns the story…….

      If nothing that I state makes any sense that is because none of the women in the NXIVM 9 make any sense.

      One would think after their group went through such an ordeal they would all be closer….

      Unfortunately nothing could be further from the truth…..

      Selfishness and indulgence go hand in hand in regards to NXIVM members, past and present.

      • Dear Nice Guy,

        Your not being very nice nor do you really know what your talking about.

        Why do these women have to be closer based on what they went through over decade ago-

        Are you still close to everyone you knew 10 years ago- Maybe your just so NICE that no one ever gets under your skin and you want to de-friend them-

        These women live in different parts of the country and have moved in different directions of their lives.

        What makes you God and allows you to pass judgment that these womens should have a Kumbaya friendship for the reminder of their lives-

        It appears they came together for a common goal, left NXIVM and went their own ways. Some might be friends and some are not. What’s the big deal.for you-

        Selfishness and indulgence is not a part of NXIVM, its a part of personalities.

        Guess what being selfish and indulgent happens globally.

        Yes its a s hocking news flash, even outside of NXIVM, even outside of cults.

        Maybe even inside your own family tree you have members you’d rather not invited over for Sunday dinner. Maybe they prefer to not have you over as your just a tad bit judgmental.

        • I am not being nasty. The NXIVM 9 have argued about some rather trivial things…

          I believe they are actually all good people and forthright. They took a stand and I applaud them for their bravery and righteousness. It’s not easy for anyone to do what they did.

          I am knocking them for fighting over silly shit. My quote about the camera was paraphrasing the Lord of the Rings and was meant as critical satire.

          I actually have nasty things to say in regards to the men in NXIVM but hold back most of the time.

          Now if I actually was a total ass….

          ….I would quote Vanguard and tell you not to be “Prideful”. 😉

  • The writer of this story is misinformed..yes..Susan was a member if the Nx 9, but not the leader . Those of us who were are fully aware who brought us together. I wonder why Diane keeps asserting this???

    • I’ve never heard Susan say she was the leader of the NX 9 nor would she want that title. I think she is glad to be out of NX and glad to be away from Barbara Bouchey. Susan has shard with me that she stopped communicating with Bouchey shortly after leaving because Bouchey was just as controlling and abusive as the rest of NX inner circle was, in her opinion.

  • The jury is going to need some therapy when this trial is finished. Do they have trauma counseling available for these people-

    • I think we’re all going to require trauma counseling once this ends! And a Hyperbaric oxygen brain cleanse treatment. (Did I mention yet how the inner-circle used to give each other wheat grass enemas in the old days-)

  • The jury is going to need some therapy when this trial is finished. Do they have trauma counseling available for these people?

  • If I was a member of the jury, I would be very angry and shocked by everything Lauren has told. All the cruelty over all the woman, but especially over Daniela. Good luck for Keith to present a positive side of his personality or an alternative point of view to the jurors!

    • The question is who are they going to be angry with, Alex — KAR or the woman who is testifying, the daughter of the co. Pres. who’s hiding the truth about the techniques her own mother used and taught her to use including making recordings of the slaves plotting with KAR, etc.-

      There are degrees of guilt among the girls that may be judged by the lowest common denominator — by comparison to KAR’s degree of apparent guilt.

  • If I was a member of the jury, I would be very angry and shocked by everything Lauren has told. All the cruelty over all the woman, but especially over Daniela. Good luck for Keith to present a positive side of his personality or an alternative point of view to the jurors!

  • It’s clearly obvious that all of the top level of NXIVM are criminal degenerates. They all knew they were breaking the law, but were fine with it, because they thought that they were clever enough to get away with it. Now that they have been caught and charged, they’ve morphed into tearful victims full of regret. “I really regret committing the same crime every day for two years.” If they hadn’t been caught and charged, it would be business as usual: “Find me more women.” “Destroy our enemies utterly.” ”
    “I feel very bad about all those women I branded and terrorised.” I accept the fear, but I don’t believe the regret. Not one bit. If it comes at all, regret will come later.

    • Suuure, you understand the psychology of each member…Even if Lauren is a criminal degenerate (for 20 years), the other (including frontline) weren’t in crimes until they were coerced by Raniere.

      They were probably not fine at all but they were forced to continue.

      You sound like one of the crazy mob…”burn the witch”.

  • It’s clearly obvious that all of the top level of NXIVM are criminal degenerates. They all knew they were breaking the law, but were fine with it, because they thought that they were clever enough to get away with it. Now that they have been caught and charged, they’ve morphed into tearful victims full of regret. “I really regret committing the same crime every day for two years.” If they hadn’t been caught and charged, it would be business as usual: “Find me more women.” “Destroy our enemies utterly.” ”
    “I feel very bad about all those women I branded and terrorised.” I accept the fear, but I don’t believe the regret. Not one bit. If it comes at all, regret will come later.

  • All these BS would be better dealt with Westeros’ style. We just need Arya. KAR is like the reincarnation of the Night King in a breed with Littlefinger and Ramsey.

  • All these BS would be better dealt with Westeros’ style. We just need Arya. KAR is like the reincarnation of the Night King in a breed with Littlefinger and Ramsey.

  • There’s the Mandatory Minimum!

    If Keith started having sex with Camilla when Camilla was 13, and if the Gov’t can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, then that meets the requirement for Keith to get a MANDATORY MINIMUM 15 YEAR SENTENCE.

    The Gov’t can dovetail Camilla’s sexual assault with Daniella’s imprisonment and denial of identity documents, to show that these were the consequences if the girls did not have sex with Keith. And they were children when they were served up on a platter to Vanguard. Not women, not consenting adults. Children.

    • Agree Former but it serms there’s a jurisdiction issue — a conviction on those “child exploitation” charges would have to be prosecuted in the district the crimes occurred in I believe.

      Maybe Clav can answer better- He said something once about how a prosecutor from a different district can cross districts — Moira Penza could prosecute those in the NDNY or maybe vice-versus- Maybe an NDNY prosecutor could drop in on this trial regarding those charges yet.

  • There’s the Mandatory Minimum!

    If Keith started having sex with Camilla when Camilla was 13, and if the Gov’t can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, then that meets the requirement for Keith to get a MANDATORY MINIMUM 15 YEAR SENTENCE.

    The Gov’t can dovetail Camilla’s sexual assault with Daniella’s imprisonment and denial of identity documents, to show that these were the consequences if the girls did not have sex with Keith. And they were children when they were served up on a platter to Vanguard. Not women, not consenting adults. Children.

  • “mindlessly stupid father of Daniela”

    More than that a heartless man that turns his back and fails to protect his own daughter . He should be arrested as well .

    • Hector is not coming to the US any time soon.

      Horrible parents both of them. Leaving four children in the clutches of these monsters.

      Just think they have their grandson baby Kamar now, the holy one to abandon who is now being raised in Mexico.

      Maybe they will ship him.off to another cult when he’s old enough instead of sending him to for a good college education.

  • “mindlessly stupid father of Daniela”

    More than that a heartless man that turns his back and fails to protect his own daughter . He should be arrested as well .

  • It’s interesting to see Salzman refer to NXIVM’s response to the NY Times article as “misdirection.” Either she understood at the time the sort of propaganda manipulation involved at the time, or something since – perhaps counseling, or at least reading – has given her an understanding of what was really at work.

    Raniere must have been drifting towards being delusional – or was else was spinning grand tales to enthrall his harem. He’d never succeeded in growing his “success” program beyond a relatively small couple of tens of thousands of participants over nearly two decades, so how did he think that he was going to sell the branding of women to a sort of mass market-

  • It’s interesting to see Salzman refer to NXIVM’s response to the NY Times article as “misdirection.” Either she understood at the time the sort of propaganda manipulation involved at the time, or something since – perhaps counseling, or at least reading – has given her an understanding of what was really at work.

    Raniere must have been drifting towards being delusional – or was else was spinning grand tales to enthrall his harem. He’d never succeeded in growing his “success” program beyond a relatively small couple of tens of thousands of participants over nearly two decades, so how did he think that he was going to sell the branding of women to a sort of mass market?

  • I can’t believe Dr. Danielle Roberts isn’t on trial for being part of the DOS branding. Vicente called her out during his testimony correct-

      • Extorting things from them first, holding those things over their heads after sleep and food depriving them and than telling them they had to be cauterized or else can hardly be considered “wanting” to be cauterized.

        Amway just gives you a stupid little pin with a fake jewel in it, right Scott-

      • Yes, chicky, the NYS health dept. reopened the investigation into Dr. Porter due to public pressure didn’t they-

        Where are all the cries of inequity and sexism when the female Dr. inflicting pain and trauma to break down the slaves is unpunished but the male Dr. Brandon Porter who inflicted them with emotional but not physical distress is.

        …What kind of blood is Cemex permitted to mix in their cement, chicky- Animal or human- My mines been churning but I haven’t had time to look it up.

    • Neither can I. Again, though, there may be a jurisdiction problem and also its uncertain if she knew about and participated in the illegal aspects.

  • I can’t believe Dr. Danielle Roberts isn’t on trial for being part of the DOS branding. Vicente called her out during his testimony correct?

      • Extorting things from them first, holding those things over their heads after sleep and food depriving them and than telling them they had to be cauterized or else can hardly be considered “wanting” to be cauterized.

        Amway just gives you a stupid little pin with a fake jewel in it, right Scott?

  • So Raniere, like a Mormon Patriarch, has all of these “Sister Wives” and he disciplines them to keep them in line.
    And for years these “empowered” women tolerated his conduct.
    These women tolerated both polygamy and domestic violence.
    Is this a case of sex trafficking or domestic violence by Raniere against his “sister wives”-
    Domestic Violence is a state crime.

    As for the thumb drives from India and Allison in Allison’s case that thumb drive was only handed over in April AFTER SHE STARTED COOPERATING TO SAVE HER ROTTEN HIDE.

    It was pointed out earlier that there are MUSLIMS on the jury.
    MUSLIMS plural.
    Under Islamic law it is permissible for a man to have multiple wives and to discipline his wives with beatings.

    “Under Sunni and Shia Islamic marital jurisprudence, Muslim men are allowed to practice polygamy, that is, they can have more than one wife,
    Polygyny in Islam
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny_in_Islam

    As for domestic violence in Islam:
    Hajjar Lisa[8][9] claims Shari’a law encourages “domestic violence” against women when a husband suspects nushuz (disobedience, disloyalty, rebellion, ill conduct) in his wife.[10]
    Some conservative translations find that Muslim husbands are permitted to act what is known in Arabic as Idribuhunna with the use of “light force,” and sometimes as much as to strike, hit, chastise, or beat.[12]
    Islam and domestic violence
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence

    Indeed some Muslims practice Honor Killing where a female who dishonors the family is murdered.

    An honor killing or shame killing[1] is the murder of a member of a family, due to the perpetrators’ belief that the victim has brought shame or dishonor upon the family, or has violated the principles of a community or a religion, usually for reasons such as divorcing or separating from their spouse, refusing to enter an arranged marriage, being in a relationship that is disapproved by their family, having sex outside marriage, becoming the victim of rape, dressing in ways which are deemed inappropriate, engaging in non-heterosexual relations or renouncing a faith.[2][3][4][5][6]
    Honor killing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    All you Liberals who want to open the doors to Islamic Immigration think of what you’re bringing into this country.

    Painting Muhammad with Bob Ross | Louder With Crowder
    https://www.youtube.com/watch-v=x7PpE15yh58

    • Shadow, you should have stopped at the actually relevant comparison to Mormonism, and nowadays the fundamentalist offshoots like the infamous FLDS. And of course there are other infamous examples in Christian fundamentalism, such as David Koresh’s Branch Davidians at Waco.

      The Mormon church to this day – and even on their website – justifies the marriage practices of founder Joseph Smith and early Mormonism by citing biblical examples of men taking multiple and young brides. The FLDS operated as it did in “conservative” areas of 3 states for be better part of a century, in part because both the political establishment and the surrounding populace had a certain sympathy for their “tradditional” practicles.

      If you want to spin conspiracy theories and imagine the relatively most probable threat to (re)establish polygamy (and theocracy) in this country, you might want to consider whether the Mormons seek to gain enough political power to roll back their 1890 surrender to federal authority on the issue – and don’t forget, Romney among others is from one of the polygamous Mormon clans that established itself in Mexico. The structural problem (and flaw) is, an almost infinite number of vaguely plausible conspiracy theories can be constructed, including ones that are diametrically opposed – how do you choose which one to work yourself into a frenzy over-

      Oh, and the polygamy and child marriage in Islam also comes from the Old Testament as well, and even sex slavery is biblically justified:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch-v=ArG-DfF5N7s

    • Shadow, It is not because some jurors are muslim that they will be sympatic to Raniere, far from it. Polygamy in Islam tend to dissapear in most of muslim coutries. For exemple, it is very very rare in coutries like Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia, Liban, Turkey, etc. It is more practicing in the black african countries, but don’t forget it was a tradition there before the islamisation of those places. Also, I think that for most mulslims, all the BDSM stuff will appear as the sight of the decadence fron the western world. And don’t forget that Raniere’s mouvement was quite niezschean and atheistic, that will not be good for any traditionnal muslims.

      • Agree, Alex. A libertarian jury would have been better for KAR unless your talking radical Muslim, radical any traditional religion, extremists.

  • So Raniere, like a Mormon Patriarch, has all of these “Sister Wives” and he disciplines them to keep them in line.
    And for years these “empowered” women tolerated his conduct.
    These women tolerated both polygamy and domestic violence.
    Is this a case of sex trafficking or domestic violence by Raniere against his “sister wives”?
    Domestic Violence is a state crime.

    As for the thumb drives from India and Allison in Allison’s case that thumb drive was only handed over in April AFTER SHE STARTED COOPERATING TO SAVE HER ROTTEN HIDE.

    It was pointed out earlier that there are MUSLIMS on the jury.
    MUSLIMS plural.
    Under Islamic law it is permissible for a man to have multiple wives and to discipline his wives with beatings.

    “Under Sunni and Shia Islamic marital jurisprudence, Muslim men are allowed to practice polygamy, that is, they can have more than one wife,
    Polygyny in Islam
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygyny_in_Islam

    As for domestic violence in Islam:
    Hajjar Lisa[8][9] claims Shari’a law encourages “domestic violence” against women when a husband suspects nushuz (disobedience, disloyalty, rebellion, ill conduct) in his wife.[10]
    Some conservative translations find that Muslim husbands are permitted to act what is known in Arabic as Idribuhunna with the use of “light force,” and sometimes as much as to strike, hit, chastise, or beat.[12]
    Islam and domestic violence
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_domestic_violence

    Indeed some Muslims practice Honor Killing where a female who dishonors the family is murdered.

    An honor killing or shame killing[1] is the murder of a member of a family, due to the perpetrators’ belief that the victim has brought shame or dishonor upon the family, or has violated the principles of a community or a religion, usually for reasons such as divorcing or separating from their spouse, refusing to enter an arranged marriage, being in a relationship that is disapproved by their family, having sex outside marriage, becoming the victim of rape, dressing in ways which are deemed inappropriate, engaging in non-heterosexual relations or renouncing a faith.[2][3][4][5][6]
    Honor killing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

    All you Liberals who want to open the doors to Islamic Immigration think of what you’re bringing into this country.

    Painting Muhammad with Bob Ross | Louder With Crowder

    • Shadow, you should have stopped at the actually relevant comparison to Mormonism, and nowadays the fundamentalist offshoots like the infamous FLDS. And of course there are other infamous examples in Christian fundamentalism, such as David Koresh’s Branch Davidians at Waco.

      The Mormon church to this day – and even on their website – justifies the marriage practices of founder Joseph Smith and early Mormonism by citing biblical examples of men taking multiple and young brides. The FLDS operated as it did in “conservative” areas of 3 states for be better part of a century, in part because both the political establishment and the surrounding populace had a certain sympathy for their “tradditional” practicles.

      If you want to spin conspiracy theories and imagine the relatively most probable threat to (re)establish polygamy (and theocracy) in this country, you might want to consider whether the Mormons seek to gain enough political power to roll back their 1890 surrender to federal authority on the issue – and don’t forget, Romney among others is from one of the polygamous Mormon clans that established itself in Mexico. The structural problem (and flaw) is, an almost infinite number of vaguely plausible conspiracy theories can be constructed, including ones that are diametrically opposed – how do you choose which one to work yourself into a frenzy over?

      Oh, and the polygamy and child marriage in Islam also comes from the Old Testament as well, and even sex slavery is biblically justified:

      • Why stop with Mormonism? The point was there are Muslims on the jury. Also, most Christians separate their heritage and behavior between the Old and New Testament, respectively.

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