Ex-ESPian: Nancy’s explanation of Keith’s behavior require ESPian assumptions

“It’s hard to bring ethics into the world”

True. Especially if you're part of an MLM that hides a cult for the ego and sexual escapades of a charlatan which isn't ethical but only pretending to be.

“It’s because of the negative press, enemies want to destroy Keith”

LOL. Don't make me laugh. I think she must have meant to say “it's because the fraud's own actions destroy himself” but coughed and something else came out.

“Keith is working around the clock so hard to save the Mission, he didn’t know if he could make it”

ROFL. This is even more hilarious. There is no “Mission”, except to maintain a pyramid scheme that feeds the needs of his cult which requires women to ingratiate his ego and his penis.

“It’s easier to train an ethical person then make an experienced person ethical”

This is true too. Especially if the person trying to train the ethical person isn't ethical. You cannot give what you don't have. See the first response.

“That is your issue, nothing from the outside world will ever fill your inner deficiency”. “Keith is bringing up your issue so you can work it. If he gave you what you wanted, it would cover your inner deficiency and you would never grow.”

Hey stupid. Everyone is “deficient” in something. For example, Keith is deficient in a conscience.

It is part of the human condition to be born into deficiency, and not all deficiencies are destructive. Some are “intentional” as far as Nature is concerned, e.g., the male/female relationship.

Also, where the fuck are you guys “growing” to?

“Focus on yourself and your issue. When you integrate your disintegration about monogamy, you will see the world differently.”

Yeah, it's always about someone else's issue. All these enemies are out to get Keith, or all these former members are leaving Keith because they are suppressives, or some other contrived bullshit reasons, and none of it is ever his issue.

In other words, if only you do what we say – let Keith fuck around – then you will be integrated. Otherwise, you will be disintegrated.

“Keith can work with women in a way that he can’t work with men.”

This is unsurprising because Keith needs to be the alpha male in his group of castrated men. Most alpha men (not the beta males of the Society of Protectors) see through his bullshit and would kick his ass intellectually or physically if he tried it on them.

“Keith’s sexual energy is so transformative. A woman he works with in this way can become unified much easier than a man using only EMs. He will raise your whole vibrational level.”

Blah, blah, New Age bullshit, blah, blah.

Cult leaders and their groupies are as old as time.

Nancy is just as bad as Keith. Maybe worse cause I thinks he knows how evil he is and does nothing. Nancy's justifications for all of this are money and lifestyle. Both of which is all she cares about. And she's a snitch but not for the right reasons.

Marianna Fernandez must be approaching her due date by now. Is she due during VWeek?

I am curious, how will this affect Keith's other women? Will Allison Mack be raising Marianna's baby with her? What about Lauren Salzman? She's been talking about having a baby with Keith for what, a decade?

Lauren get's passed over…

It's interesting. Not many people in ESP talk about the downsides of polygamy for women. No one talks about it actually. Everyone knows Keith's women are in various states of unhappiness about being in a polygamous relationship with him. Especially Allison Mack and Clare Bronfman.

It's sad that no one in the Espian community has any concern for Keith's “wives”. It's sort of sociopathic. For all the courses in ESP that talk about the importance of building a conscience, is there anyone left in ESP that has one?

Discredit, Counter Attack, Deny. Discredit, Counter Attack, Deny.

That is the Espian community motto now when concerns are brought to the leadership about how members are doing – no discussion. No compassion. Questions are squashed. Dissent is crushed at all costs. Worse, no one in the leadership has any emotion about how student's are doing. Their all frighteningly cold and calculating. It's like, “Let's all watch these women's lives rot away and not say a word. Who cares?”

For all of Clare Bronfman's money, she has a totally shit life. She's done a lot of bad acts, but even Clare deserves compassion. It doesn't exist in ESP anymore. It's gone. No one cares about any one else but themselves and their own personal agenda.

And trashing and discrediting any and all people who raise a concern. Or god forbid, who question those agendas.

#heartless

#hypocritical

#sociopathic

#machiavellian

Clare deserves a jail cell a lot more than she deserves compassion. She's like the people behind the scenes who fund terrorist groups like ISIS and pretend to be uninvolved. Without Clare, the entire Raniere empire would crumble and fall. I'll have compassion for Clare if and when she ever cuts off the flow of money that Raniere needs to keep his criminal enterprise going.

Here is an article in Slate magazine entitled “Is Polygamy Really So Awful”. http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/01/the_problem_with_polygamy.html

The article references an ethnographic survey of 69 polygamous cultures and “reveals no case where co-wife relations could be described as harmonious,” If you click on the link to the survey itself there is more detail. Including, the determination that in all cultures and polygamous families evaluated

“there is ongoing and contentious rivalry among co-wives”

Why aren't the names of the SOP men put out on this site? Or people still in ESP but not in DOS? Every person still in the cult is voting that it's ok for a sociopath and his cohorts to do what they are doing. Thus everyone still involved should be called out for what they are choosing. While ESP does do some brainwashing, people still have the ability to make a choice about what they believe. And despite clear data people are choosing to back Keith.

Many of us would love to know who is still involved in the program. Especially on the SOP side. A few are obvious: Del Negro. Michel Chernitzky. Who else?

Agreed. SOP needs to be called out on the carpet. All the SOP trainings are designed to enslave women. Those teachings should be outed too. Some choice things you can learn in SOP and Jness:

Women are all princesses and need to be humiliated.

Women don't keep their word and have no character.

That is why MEN control the world.

In particular women are opportunistic like parasitic fleas jumping from dog to dog till they find the best host.

Women can be lied to because they are hysterical babies who can't handle the truth.

Men are polygamous naturally, women are not. Women should accept the polygamy of men, and men can lie to their women about sleeping around because women are babies who can't handle the truth.

Men need to cum on women's face or bodies to claim their ownership of them.

SOP is a training created in the vision of Keith and his lifestyle. All the SOP men remaining need to be outed. They are the ones facilitating this overwhelming degradation of women in DOS and encouraging women to immolate themselves in Keith's polygamous harem. They are all sociopaths.