By Nicki Clyne
After sharing my recent statement, announcing I was leaving Keith Raniere, I did not have any follow-up posts planned.
However, I want to acknowledge the body of evidence I finally confronted that convinced me to leave Keith and not look back.
Previously, I had ignored most of it or, to be more accurate, I believed Keith’s defenses and that the allegations against him were lies, fabricated by his enemies, and further distorted by Frank Parlato on this website.
While I don’t agree with everything published in it, the Frank Report was by far the most influential in the break up of NXIVM, even before the New York Times story, and the subsequent criminal prosecution. His exposure led to people leaving NXIVM and DOS almost immediately after his first story about DOS in June 2017.
I thought it would have greater personal significance to Keith, and to his remaining supporters, that I announced my departure on the Frank Report over any other publication.
I understand that many of Keith’s supporters despise and fear Frank and believe he (not Keith) is the cause of Keith’s woes, the destruction of NXIVM, and the reason some of their lives are in shambles.
I used to feel the same way.
In this post, I intend to share with those who still think Keith means well some areas of my research that led me to change my view.
Many have sacrificed years of their lives, as I did, believing Keith had noble intentions and was a victim of the government, powerful and vengeful enemies, dishonest mainstream media, scorned ex-lovers, and more.
I encourage those who have an interest to examine the subsequent 30 controversies and question whether each is a falsehood, conspiracy, or misinterpretation, as Keith alleges:
- The fantastic claims, lies by omission, and outright embellishments found in Keith’s biography (and this one) and public statements about himself.
- The context of his self-administered (take-home) IQ test and his assertion that he is one of the top three problem solvers in the world.
- The claims of statutory rape made by various accusers over decades, and Keith’s defense that all these unrelated accusers are lying.
- The numerous allegations of intimidation, aggression, and violence from Keith’s ex-partners, as well as his refusal to let women end relationships with him amicably.
- The story of his failed MLM company, Consumers’ Buyline, and the circumstances surrounding its collapse.
- The circumstances surrounding his loss of over $66 million of other people’s money in the commodities market.
- What was the purpose of his civil litigation against multiple targets, primarily those with little to no wealth, fueled by almost unlimited funding? He often spent exponentially more in legal fees than the amount of damages he sought to recover, showing that the ostensible purpose of the lawsuit – monetary damages – was not the real purpose of the litigation.
- His use of well paid and politically-connected lawyers to convince prosecutors to investigate and indict his “enemies,” most of whom were former friends, ex-lovers, and past business associates.
- How does one man initiate so many lawsuits and criminal complaints against people he once claimed to care for? How might this have psychologically affected the people closest to him when considering whether to stay or leave?
- The boomerang impact of his litigation on his own companies and the people in them: Negative press starting in 2003 hindered ESP’s growth due to revelations during lawsuits he brought against multiple parties. Most of these lawsuits were unsuccessful, but exposed many unflattering details about Keith’s life through the discovery process, depositions, and at trial. Much of the most damaging disclosures became public due to his intervening in the bankruptcies of four women, all of whom prevailed, and where the amounts at issue were far lower than the legal fees. This adversely affected the main company he led because an online record developed that made recruitment increasingly difficult.
- His lawsuit against AT&T and Microsoft, in which he claimed to have invented teleconferencing technology, and the subsequent sanctioning by a judge for lying under oath.
- Keith’s advice to the Bronfman sisters to invest more than $26 million in a Los Angeles real estate venture, and how it collapsed because his chosen developer (a personal friend) stole millions of dollars. Note the developer was the same person who was the commodities broker who previously handled Keith’s commodities loss of tens of millions of dollars.)
- As you examine Keith’s track record, consider whether he can be seen as an innocent victim when he initiated so many activities that led to significant failures — mostly to the detriment of others.
- Concerning his firstborn child, Keith and others lied about the identities of the parents to the rest of the community. What honorable father denies his paternity? Not only that, he instructed the mother to deny she was the mother of her own son. Was this extraordinary parental denial based on some hard to understand ethical reason, or was it so he could maintain the lies he told other women with whom he was intimate?
- After the mother left him, Keith refused to provide financial support to his firstborn son because he claimed the mother was crazy and a liar. Even if he didn’t want to give money directly to the financially struggling mother, he could have provided funds for the child through a trust to ensure he was properly cared for.
- His relationship with Camila: Was his “mentorship” an act of goodwill or abusive and selfish? Even if you ignore the evidence that he began an illegal relationship with her when she was 15 (and he was 45), their adult-age relationship, as evidenced by chat, email, and text messages, shows a manipulative dynamic between the leader of a community and a young woman who lived and worked in the community, who was 30 years his junior.
- The ethics and circumstances surrounding Daniela’s stay in her bedroom for almost two years. Even if the door was unlocked, what type of man allows a young woman to languish indoors, in a bedroom for over 22 months? Even if it had been, as Keith said, “a battle of wills” between him and Daniela, shouldn’t he have been the wiser, more humane, and mature leader and encouraged her to leave her room? As Keith has good reason to know, being confined indoors without fresh air, sunlight, and exercise harms the health of the body and mind. Daniela’s hundreds of letters to him, most of which he did not read, showed her mind was becoming increasingly unstable and her health was waning. Almost any other form of discipline or punishment would have been preferable, and likely more effective.
- The false promises Keith made to women regarding motherhood, monogamy, and spirituality, and his harsh and deceptive tactics to prevent them from leaving when they were unhappy or discovered his lies.
- His feigning illnesses so others would sacrifice for him and feel guilty about not prioritizing his needs. Keith told women he had everything from cancer to life-threatening heart conditions. If he was so close to death, as he often told women, how has he survived the harsh prison conditions for five years?
- His creation of DOS and his deception about his role as the leader. Even if some aspects of DOS helped some women, his plans and the execution of those plans show extreme recklessness and poor judgment.
- Keith’s secretive lifestyle choices brought controversy to his organization. Simultaneously, he propagated a belief system that he was infallible. The record shows his judgment was often wrong and destructive to others.
- His claims of mystical powers and control over nature were dubious, at best. They were more likely told to manipulate and confuse followers and create a myth-like persona.
- He demanded secrecy and monogamy from his partners while having numerous relationships, condemning most women to a lonely life, and denying many women the opportunity for motherhood.
- Was his sexual relationship with three sisters for his welfare or theirs? He kept his relationship with the youngest a secret from the oldest and, at times, pitted one against the other. He promised Camila a child and, instead, had a child with her sister. Without listing all the sordid details, his conduct caused a 10-year plus schism in the family that exists still today.
- Keith had sexual relationships with more than two dozen women who worked for his company. This created impossible dynamics and inequities, especially since many didn’t know about each other, and it was withheld from the rest of the company and the public.
- He claimed to some that sex with him provided spiritual growth, and that his semen had mystical properties. He told women that having sex with another man could have fatal consequences for him. Yet, many women left him and had relations with other men, seemingly without directly impacting his health.
- The promotion of the belief, through organizations he founded and their leadership, that questioning his teachings stemmed from personal weakness or issues, and the ensuing culture of shunning and punishment for dissent. Was this meant to enhance lives or manipulate individuals into compliance and self-doubt?
- Since his arrest, he has shown a lack of concern for his followers’ welfare. Instead, he demands they focus intensely on his issues, and sacrifice their own well-being, finances, and reputation.
- The high percentage of people who relocated to Albany to work with the company and pursue spiritual growth under Keith’s guidance, but ultimately became less productive, earned less, and accrued significant debt. Where was the “Executive Success”?
- The numerous individuals who claim to have been severely harmed by him, even before his arrest and exposure by the Frank Report, the New York Times, and subsequent media coverage. While many historically significant saints or prophets have faced persecution in their time, how many have left so many disillusioned former disciples in their wake?
Individually, some of these points may not be compelling. However, when considered together and weighed against the word of a man who promotes himself as the epitome of ethics, wisdom and nobility, they create a conflict.
If you dig deeper and consider the above controversies carefully, as I did, I think you will find that the only resolution to the conflict is that Keith Raniere is not the man he claims to be.





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I thought I could never, ever be a participant in a high control group. Ever. I am not seeking the divine, not interested in the divine, not interested in self help. Watching The Vow season 1, Season 2, and then season 1 again, I realized that these groups are not always about those things. Keith Raniere found the deepest needs of womanhood and exploited every one of them for his own gratification. I’m haunted by the question of where the good intentions started and ended. Was his psychopath/sociopathic/narcassitic personality and need for validation part of a plan from the start? It’s so hard to reconcile because, at its origin, the curriculum makes sense. I’ve taken notes as I watch because I feel that some of it is valuable to me personally. I’ve come to believe that those parts come from Nancy Salzman’s take on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and that he appropriated those very valuable techniques as his own. Somewhere along the way, everyone involved got entirely lost. It’s heartbreaking and eye opening to see how it unfolded. Nicki, I truly hope you have set yourself free. As a person who has experienced gaslighting for a lifetime, just coming into my own identity at 49 years old, I know this type of trauma can take another lifetime to overcome, and there are setbacks along the way. I hope you have friends and family you can feel safe with and be honest with. It’s so hard, every single day. I’ve gone from very deep judgmental thoughts of you to hope for your future. I worry about your ability to take accountability. I know how hard it is to realize that what you’ve believed about yourself and your family has caused harm to others and how it can completely destroy your sense of yourself and the world. It’s incredibly painful. What you’ve told yourself for decades in order to survive is what it is. I dream for you and any survivor of trauma the release of self forgiveness that comes from facing truth. I adore you. You are loved.
Good for you Nikki. It takes a strong person not a weak one to endure and stick with that type of program and even stronger person to come out of it. Hold on to that strength you have. Keep advocating and through your story it will serve to help others. Wishing you much healing. Speak out. Don’t hide. You are a warrior for change.
Really impressive and big of you to write this up.
Thanks for sharing, although all of this information was available before and during the trial and you continued to defend him. I don’t think it answers what changed in March? You knew all of this information and publicly defended him, sometimes in a manner I will politely call grotesque. It seem a rather disingenuous rationale for changing your mind.
five stages of grief— denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance. It just took her a while to get to the acceptance. When it comes to coming out of something like this, deprogramming your brain takes time.
I just found this. I am glad you have moved closer to yourself after these many years.
My question has always been:
How do people claim that they are becoming more empowered while they also must seek approval or permission from another? Continued healing & peace to you.
To Nicki,
I will say initially, I was skeptical when I heard you had renounced Keith. You were so hung up on his so called philosophy, I was afraid for you. I was afraid he would order you and others to harm one another. And I mean in further ways. I truly believe you have seen the light (I bet that phrase makes you ill from hearing it so often) and will be able to recover. Just remember, no one is stupid that joins a cult. We are people who want to better the world and things go sideways. Very best of luck to you Nicki.
A Briscoe
Nicki,
I don’t know you so have no attachment to your journey. However I am glad for those that were harmed by this cult that you have seen it for what it was. A playground for a very sick man. I am a cult survivor. And I think you have done a service to spell out what and why you feel it was not ethical. All this information has been out there for many years. Willful ignorance is very powerful. I hope, through your journey, you humble yourself to apologize to those you harmed. I am sure, legally it would not be advisable. However, as a victim, you coming to your senses is great. But only surface to what damage was caused in being a flying monkey and gaslighting people who were gravely abused. I don’t hear any accountability from you in anything here. May your healing journey be authentic and heal as many as were harmed. Godspeed.
Nicki,
I hope you are able to disregard the criticism of your choices by those who have no idea what it’s like to be in your shoes. You are brave to speak out and your ability to communicate is a gift. I hope you continue to use your writing skills to heal and potentially bless us with a book, if that wouldn’t be too traumatizing for you. With all the haters out there, I hope you know you’ve got loads of people rooting for you.
Stay strong!
Dear Nicki,
It is wonderful that you now see what was difficult for you to recognize while you were caught in the deception. In watching the Second season of The Vow, your loyalty to Raniere is frustrating to observe because the facts of his false persona are clear to anyone on the outside of those circles. It seemed as if you would never forsake Raniere and he is not worth your concerns.
I wish you the best of success in different endeavors and hope that you find your way with friends and people who are constructive in intention. Like others who are free of NXIVM, you can turn your experience helping and educating others. One excellent thing, you are free of Raniere and he can no longer cause harm or retribution as he did to others in the past when they wanted separation.
I am wishing for you the best in life following a very dark time.
-L
I just started watching the documentaries and learning about all of this. I’m not sure why I hadn’t heard of the NXIVM story prior to now, or just recently. I became extremely interested because I could see myself falling into the same trap. I to have always been on a spiritual quest and the deep meaning of life and the universe, and I still am. It’s a never ending journey.
As a matter of fact I paid close attention to how I was feeling while I was watching all of the documentaries, and in the beginning that monster Keith looked so harmless right, and I could see myself believing in the beginning process too. They knew exactly what they were doing from the beginning, and Keith didn’t act alone.
It’s just so scary to think this can happen, and I’m sorry for all the woman effected.
Nicki,
Thank you for your courage and vulnerability in sharing this journey of introspection and realization. It takes immense strength to confront such a deeply held belief and not only change your perspective but to also share it with the world.
Your post offers a detailed and compelling insight that could potentially help others who might be in a similar situation to see things from a different viewpoint.
I hope I see you back on 𝕏 some day. Good luck!
Nicki I am so proud of you
Nicki (and any other former nxivm member), if you believed the hype that Keith was the most intelligent man in the world, why did it not seem odd to you that he couldn’t speak Spanish? He always needed an interpreter because he couldn’t speak or read Spanish (nor any other language). Actually, I’d love for Mark Vicente to answer this, because he filmed a lot of the Mexican stuff. Mark truly believed Keith was the world’s most intelligent man, yet he never questioned how Keith couldn’t even speak one sentence of Spanish. What excuse did Keith give? Or did no one think to ask the ‘genius’ why he couldn’t even learn enough Spanish to string a few sentences together?
He always needed an interpreter when speaking to Mexican groups/Spanish speakers who didn’t know English, yet no one questioned why the most intelligent man in the world couldn’t speak Spanish, or any other language other than his own mother tongue.
Mark Vincente, you speak at least two languages. How did it not raise a a major flag when you were filming him speaking to Spanish Mexicans and he needed an interpreter?
Nicki, may your wounds continue to heal and may you find peace. I am so happy to see you listening to your own voice instead of his. Thank you for trying to wake up others.
Good for you Nikki.
1). He is absolutely physically repulsive
2) He is completely idiotic and says nothing of import with word or action
3) he is a lazy loser.
4) he is a bold faced liar
Those are the main ones that negate any reason for a relationship.
Guy totally has dick cheese.
I hope you have seen him for who he is – you will be set free by using your mind and critically thinking through things
Nicki you missed a number!!! The number with the real reason you are slumming.
[…] While I believe Keith Raniere is a godawful piece of shit, I need to address Nicki Clyne’s list of 30 controversies. […]
If true…good she came to her senses. Maybe its the cynic in me but something tells me this might have something to do with AM getting released soon.
Ms. Clyne,
I am getting to this post late, due to the twitter algorithm. I just wanted to express my support for you in what I am sure is a rough time emotionally and socially. You’ve been strong, stay strong.
A long time fan
Nicki, I’m so glad you’ve survived. The journey through the darkest night to the other side of abuse, manipulation, and coercive control is difficult, painful, long, and unbearably isolating, but you pushed through and you are still standing thanks to your own inner goodness and strength. Nobody can ever take that away from you. They can blind you and confuse you and silence you, but they can never truly conquer you. Deep down you will always have that courageous heart that led you home. It’s not your fault that you were abused, deceived, and manipulated. Everyone is vulnerable under the right circumstances. Take good care of you, now. I wish for your continuing healing journey to be peaceful, empowering, and filled with ease.
Thank you for your courage in sharing.
Wishing you happiness and healing!
Glad you’ve finally woken up. I was concerned you never would. It’s quite sad looking on at Keith’s followers so indoctrinated when you all have potential to change the world in your own way, under your own recogisance.
Hopefully Marc, Michelle and the others will one day wake up too.
Ms. Nicki Clyne. Thank you for your bravery and your public turn around. Fellow Vancouverite here. Understanding narcissistic abuse freed me from my abuser. I felt shame for being so “all in” with him. My recovery was aided by your actions. Thank you Nicki Clyne.
So happy for you nicki, very proud you realized what keith really is, I wish you the best in you’re recovery and future, Good luck
Frank: is it true that (redacted) camped out at (redacted) and had (redacted) ? Confirm or deny?
I do not answer questions like this no more than I’d answer questions about your sexual orientation. You have the right to keep that hidden.
Savvy move, getting the hell outta there JUST before you ladies wound up on 𝐋𝐀𝐖 & 𝐎𝐑𝐃𝐄𝐑 Thursday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgzHtxU0OIg
Now for goodness sake, will you go eat a decent meal and get some protein into your brain? You look like a goddamned skeleton.
This comment serves no purpose other than to make the commenter feel superior.
Good. Now go live your life.
If Sarah was as brainwashed as Nicki,
AND Sarah woke up more quickly than Nicki
AND “Sarah’s parents had both been mental health professionals. The language of self-exploration was familiar to her” AND that might have helped her wake up sooner …
It doesn’t seem fair to blame Nicki for taking longer to wake up.
Nicki seems mature, but a little less worldly than Sarah.
Sarah also seems like she had a stronger (smarter) team of friends when the NXIVM project was imploding.
“SARAH EDMONDSON: And if you’re trusting that what you’re doing is a good process, the indoctrination happens very easily and very… You wouldn’t know it was happening at the time. In fact, they might even say, sure, this is brainwashing, but we’re washing the bad stuff out, you know what I mean?
SARAH EDMONDSON: It’s literally as if your belief system is being superimposed by another belief systm.“
SARAH EDMONDSON: I personally brought in around 100 people who brought in other people, who brought in other people, who brought in other people. So in my – what they called – my ‘organization’ was around 2,000 people.”
https://spyscape.com/podcast/surviving-nxivm
Sarah also had a partner. Mark and Bonnie were partners too. Two data points may not establish a pattern, but as far as I know the NXIVM five were all single or in some fucked up relationship with K. It’s probably a lot easier to get out when you have just one other trusted partner who can help.
Yeah, Nicki was basically coerced into a sexual relationship with KR and officially “married” to AM. She had zero support during all of this.
If Nikki doesn’t believe she is a victim, no worries. But I’m not sure what better word there is to describe someone who has been manipulated, under false pretences, to live a self-harming existence, and has lost 18 of her most productive years to this lies.
Taken out of the new age context, victim is a useful word to describe a stage a person goes through as they heal from narcissistic manipulation. It’s a way-station, not a destination.
Nicki Clyne is a leader, a strong and very intelligent woman, we can tell.
Keep up your healing journey. Take your time, be gentle to yourself… Your story will impact many, no matter what happened in the past. I know it’s very unfair and hard that your personal situation was used and displayed in documentaries, but now, you’re in control and you can reclaim your narrative.
Peace
A leader…? Nicki may be many things but a ‘leader’she is not.
That could change in the future but Nicki is the very definition of a follower. A very devoted follower.
Did you read her statement? Nicki followed Keith. That’s not a ‘leader’
This entire blog should be called: Women who refuse to take responsibility and the people who make excuses for them.
Vanguard, is that you?!?!
“… 22. His claims of mystical powers and control over nature were dubious, at best. They were more likely told to manipulate and confuse followers and create a myth-like persona …” Nicki Clyne, Frank Report
“… This special issue of the International Journal of Coercion, Abuse, and Manipulation is dedicated to articles about Scientology and NXIVM, so it offers an opportunity to present evidence, in an academic setting, about Scientology’s possible influence on Keith Raniere (b. 1960) and the organization that he founded …”
Stephen A. Kent, Introduction to the IJCAM Special Edition: Comparative Reflections on Scientology And NXIVM
“… Scientologists believe that human beings are vessels for the ghosts of brainwashed aliens …”
Matt Davis, “4 psychological techniques cults use to recruit members” in BigThink
“… The Babalon Working was a series of magic ceremonies or rituals performed from January to March 1946 by author, pioneer rocket-fuel scientist and occultist Jack Parsons and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard … The rituals performed drew largely upon rituals and sex magic described by English author and occult teacher Aleister Crowley …”
Wikipedia
“… Peaches Geldof, former dabbler in Scientology and present owner-operator of a heart-shaped “OTO” tattoo …“
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/shortcuts/2013/apr/15/peaches-geldof-aleister-crowley-sex-cult-oto
“… L. Ron Hubbard began Scientology’s “Project Celebrity” in 1955, offering a list of 63 high-profile targets and a “small plaque” as a reward to anyone who successfully brought the likes of Bob Hope and Ernest Hemingway into the church. “There are many to whom America and the world listens…” Scientology’s blustery founder wrote in a newsletter announcing the plan …”
https://www.gawker.com/a-comprehensive-updated-list-of-every-celebrity-linked-1694554276
I am so glad that you have come to this conclusion and walked away from him. I hope that you are caring for yourself mentally and emotionally after all of those years under his tutelage. Did your participation in Season 2 of the vow have any bearing on your change of heart?
I never NEVER ever thought Nicki would be the first to be liberated.
Thought it would be Michele.
I put decades into my narc. Today, three years free they still slip uninvited into my thoughts. Even while doing something as innocuous as eating a banana. My narc once snatched a banana from my hand as I was peeling it. ‘You don’t peel a banana like that’ they snapped ‘You do it like this’. They begin to peel the banana from the bottom up. ‘I read a primatologist’s report about food gathering in apes. And they demonstrated how food is peeled , distributed and better resourced’ she continued.
A f*cking banana.
All insidious of course. Designed to remind me about the superior intellect I was lucky to be exposed to, to learn from.
One day I will not remember them at all.
But I forget their influence at my peril. It could happen again.
So I remind myself that I forgot.
And I smile. Inside.
I hope you find your smile Nicki. I wish that for you. Seriously.
I’m hoping Michele will be next. Once another wakes up, the rest will wake up …🥇 🥈 🥉
Butch michelle hatchette and also michelle salzman both need to wake up!!!
Michelle salzman is not supporting keith raniere….you’d know if you watch the vow season 2 🙄
Doubtful. Keith still calls her with the, ‘my life is in your hands’ talk. Michele feels like she has an important life mission. The most important man in history since Jesus, and Michele wants to be the one to save humanity. Getting Vanguard released.
Michele needs to sit in a room in front of one of the Mexican girls and listen.
How can someone so intelligent be so dumb?
Which Michelle? Michelle Hatchette or Michelle Salzman? Both are loser hacks.
Unfortunately, Nicki isn’t the only one who’s been hoodwinked. To finally confront and acknowledge evidence is a difficult thing to do. Many have seen and heard the phrase, “You’ll own nothing and be happy.” and think nothing of it.
Other words for hoodwinked:
“… led astray having been deceived deceived baited bamboozled betrayed conned culled duped fooled gulled had hoaxed lured played snared taken trapped victimised victimized cheated conned duped tricked swindled bamboozled beguiled bilked burned burnt deceived finessed overcharged scammed ripped off taken in defrauded imposed upon done taken for a ride fooled misled betrayed trapped deluded gullible mistaken ambushed inveigled snowed hornswoggled outfoxed lured culled baited had snared taken hoaxed gulled played flimflammed sucked in to be cunningly tricked into doing something, usually in an incriminating way set up tricked conned deceived coaxed manipulated used exploited had cajoled cheated controlled disinformed gulled double-crossed duped ensnared entraped fooled framed hoaxed leveraged misled sweet-talked flimflammed bamboozled deluded put one over on cozened suckered …
more ❯
‘There are many wolves in sheepskin whose mission is to hoodwink the people at every turn with sugar-coated good-for-nothing promises.’ …” For example:
“Dear love, couldst thou and I with fate conspire
To grasp this sorry scheme of things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits, and then
Remould it nearer to the heart’s desire! …
… Fabianism is a radical London-based movement initiated in the 1880s for the purpose of subverting the existing order and establishing a Socialist World Government controlled by its leaders and by the financial interests associated with them. …”
https://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Article=FabianSociety&C=1.0
I take Nicki Clyne at her word.
She says she’s not a victim (that’s always kinda been her mantra, the not-victim thing). She says she made her own choices and if they proved to be misguided, they were still her choices.
She’s not blaming anyone for the choices she made.
I vehemently disagree with just about everything she has done, but I gotta admit she has integrity.
So it’s funny to me that some of Clyne’s staunchest defenders insist on saying she’s a victim. She’s got a heart of gold, it’s said, she was just brainwashed. NLP’d. none of the things she did in Nxivm and DOS were her fault.
They send their thoughts and prayers for her journey to recovery. Recovery from what? She’s not sick. She made some misguided choices (her words). Listen to her. Read what she actually wrote.
She was the victim of an abusive relationship? Not according to her. She’s nobody’s victim. Read what she wrote.
A lot of the things Nicki Clyne has said over the past few years have made me either seethe or laugh. But I always have agreed with the not-a-victim thing. Though I hate to admit I agree with her on anything.
So it makes me cringe (or laugh) when I see folks who think they’re her allies descend into therapy-speak when they talk about her. Like she’s a small child with a learning disability or a doe with a busted leg.
“You’re starting long road of recovery from your trauma, but as Rumi said…”. Barf.
Like I said, I dislike the woman intensely. I think she should’ve been indicted for her role in DOS. But don’t push her into the role of victim. It’s condescending and it’s insulting.
And I loathe the therapy-speak that has infiltrated public discourse. As if we were all basket cases, “in recovery” from one goddam thing or other.
We’re adults for god’s sake. Act like one, and start taking responsibility. It’s not your parents fault, it’s not your teachers fault, it’s not society’s fault, it’s your fault. Hold others responsible too. It’s not the fault of “gaslighting” or “brainwashing” or “love bombing” when people fuck up. It’s because they’re fuckups.
And if you think you’re on Clyne’s side, pay attention to what she’s actually saying. She’s owed that much.
People aren’t on Clyne’s side they just don’t get your Crucible Crusade.
Sounds like you and Alanzo played a round of golf together. (Or watched a Star Wars movie together. Or went bowling together. Or traded stamps with each other.)
Nutjob-!
How’s the mod duties?
I SUCK at it!!! I especially regret letting Alanzo pull his article down without explaining to you dumb ass readers why I did it.
I think the overwhelming amount of sketchy Vanturd stuff was with willing participants. Sarah E. is not a victim. DOS women are mostly not victims. They were adult women willingly giving collateral. They knew the risks.
I feel bad for the woman who was raped as a child by Vanturd. I think Dossier and Nicky need to specifically address that issue and not lump it into Vanturds non criminal behavior.
We need to separate Vanturd criminal and non criminal deeds.
“Sarah E. is not a victim. DOS women are mostly not victims. They were adult women willingly giving collateral. They knew the risks.”
Have you actually bothered to watch The Vow Pilgrim??? Pretty much ALL Raniere’s deeds were criminal -even his breathing because it was keeping him alive.
Whether someone sees themselves as a victim or not may have little to do with whether they are: subjective perception does not always equate to objective reality as special relativity clearly illustrates. But certainly, she has always had great integrity.
Ultimately, I have always believed we are all victims…of circumstance. In the turbulent sea of our existence we are thrown around by forces often beyond our control. The success of our responsive actions and decisions is determined by fate according to waves of probability. Put simply, life may bring us to places where we never had any intention of going.
So what really did Clyne do in NXIVM and DOS? Did she recruit many people? No. Did she directly hurt anyone? I’ve seen no evidence of that. Did she ask anyone to seduce Keith? No, I think she was appalled by it. Did she feel she learned anything from it? Yes, but that was probably more down to her aptitude for learning, and smart people always learn through life. Did she actually believe it could help people? Yes, though she now realises she was misguided in important respects.
I believe it was not easy for her to come to this decision to finally leave her community, to admit that she has sacrificed the best years of her life to someone so undeserving of her love and loyalty, to place herself even more in the glare of public scrutiny, and to expose herself (like others who have deserted) to the potential dirty tricks of the Bromfman playbook (Clare gets out soon).
Now she’s out, there’s a whole range of thoughts, beliefs, values, perspectives and ideas that will be questioned. We are all human, and however strong we think we are, it’s not going to be a walk in the park. It never is. Having close friends and family to support you is important, as is seeking professional help if you feel you need to; she may or may not.
However, I do agree that it can be counterproductive to see yourself exclusively as a victim, because you’re also a survivor, and yet there’s no doubt in my mind that she WAS a victim, as were all the other people who gave so much of their lives and resources to a psychopath’s ego trip over so many years.
However much we might try to deny it, each and everyone of us are “fuckups” at one stage or another in our lives, though there are few of us with the humility to admit it.
Hitler wasn’t a fuck up his whole life. Just a bad last 10 years he had…right?
Far as I know, he was fucked up his whole life. He was after all a psychopath, and that’s something you’re born with – it’s in the genes. Same with Raniere. Same with Trump.
I think it’s a mix — she was definitely manipulated by deceit and many other classic, intense manipulation techniques, which, in my opinion, makes her a victim. It’s like falling for a con. Yes, you made the decision to empty your bank account and hand it over to a fraudster, but you’re still their victim. However, that doesn’t give a person carte blanche to harm others.
Integrity? Um. No. Maybe integrity in the last two weeks. She lacked integrity for like the 10 years she was in nxivm and the 5 years out of it.
Some of the comments here are interesting.
How many and what kind of people are afraid of Nicki having her own thoughts? 🤔
I think I went to brand my girlfriend and her friend with my initials ‘GG’. So like why is that illegal? Like she said she would do it. So why can’t a man brand a woman? I’m missing something. To me a woman is way more attractive with some adornment. Keith had good ideas. Just stupid women. Not these dossier women but the ones who split.
Two words: Yay Nicki!
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“He claimed to some that sex with him provided spiritual growth, and that his semen had mystical properties. He told women that having sex with another man could have fatal consequences for him. Yet, many women left him and had relations with other men, seemingly without directly impacting his health.”
I could never understand how anyone could’ve believe this, fast forward to today with the marxist-communists pushing to convince everyone that a man can be a woman just by declaring it on Instagram and it begins to make some sense. Gaslighting is a powerful thing.
31. He told everyone I was smelly, and confirmed this at the trial.
He confirmed his questionable 100 yard dash speed by sprinting into the closet and letting Lauren deal with the gun to her head.
Keith can sprint faster than a fired pistol bullet. Who’s to doubt it if Keith said it, if he would have said it. Always these notorious doubters who have a problem with themselves believing what they are told. Belief is everything, knowledge is nothing when a prophet is speaking. Keith was the prophet, so stop nagging; start believing and you will be blessed.
Very helpful. Thank you for sharing, Nicki
This is one obtuse woman.
“obtuse”? 🤔
Lacking quickness of perception or intellect. 🤔
Characterized by a lack of intelligence or sensitivity. 🤔
Not distinctly felt. 🤔
Reality check. Nicki never left Raniere, he left her.
How so? He didn’t leave her – he got 120 years. Duh!
He literally left her. In hand cuffs. By Mexican cops. He left 1700 other people too. He left Nicki and the world he built. He left her for all the other women. He left and he ain’t cummin back to 🐔 her down ever again.
Keith sounds pretty damn smart. Tons of poontang lots of luscious pussy and he the only man. What wrong with dat.
Btw where is Keith now ? Does he still have his pussy collection even though this Nicki chick has flown?
“What wrong with dat.” 120 years
He is in prison in Tucson Arizona. In solitary confinement at this moment. Sentenced to 120 years in prison and he recently lost his appeal. Things are not looking good for a man formerly known as Vanguard.
Did Raniere ever have pets? How was he with animals?
Your answer comes in the first 26 seconds.
https://youtu.be/Mgnh1zg7ULI
LOL. Appreciate it!
Shakes The Clown is underated. So many great lines.
His cats got cancer and died along with two of his sister wives….
Not kidding!
It’s true!
The sister wives died of cancer of well…..
Correct on the cats. It “seems” like some kind of poisoning was going on in that house, although no one has been able to prove causation. My antennae have been up.
It’s odd…
To say the least
He had the Salzman 3. He was great with them!
So let me get this straight, it took this person analyzing and/or living through 30 separate events to realize this guy was “trouble”? Not 29, 28, 26, 22, 20, 18, 17, 14, 10, 5 or just 1?
Just ten days ago she was defending the guy. So in ten days she finally went through these 30 events which she obviously knew about since at the very least the trial (but probably many of them since they actually happened) and said mmmm yeah this is a bad guy.
Please…
Opening yourself up to civil liability may be the impetus for dumb dumb to finally renounce King Ding A-Ling.
At civil trial, “Look! Look! I denounced him; please don’t take my 2017 Subaru and my Bee Gees record collection.”
She’s got a new jeep now. Bee Gees? Are you sure?
Same shit. If you know, you know.
After civil trial is over Nicki will be nxivm supporter again.
Oh yeah, genius. And DJT will win in 24! LOL
Have Nicki sign a sworn affidavit that she disavows Keith *AND* NXIVM/DOS/ESP. Until then, her BS web article is meaningless.
It seems her article pretty much did disavow Keith. That combined with her Twitter sharing the article sums up her position on Raniere/Nxivm and DOS.
Obviously she was aware of many of these things for some while. There comes a moment when you just snap and it all comes flooding out
Supposedly this list of 30 items is aimed at helping the die-hards Dossier people to ‘see the light’.
These facts (for they are facts, backed up with plenty of corroboration and written/recorded evidence) have been reported on for years now. There is no new discovery, all NC has done is collate widely known info into one place.
If the die-hards have not looked at any of it critically so far, what makes Nicki think they will be swayed just because the info is in one place?
Hope for N’s sake her sudden ‘conversion’ is sincerely meant and she is not playing games. Only time will tell. In the meantime despite niggly questions, we have to take N’s at her word and I wish her well for her future.
“If the die-hards have not looked at any of it critically so far, what makes Nicki think they will be swayed just because the info is in one place?” Because:
1. It’s coming from her
2. She’s worded the arguments to make them more convincing to her target audience
I think Clyne finally realized there was no future for her continuing to support this guy.
That’s certainly one reason. I suspect she also believes he’s a total cunt and has done for a while.
11.29pm – did you not read the beginning? It’s directed towards NXIVM loyalists.
31. Had sexual relations with a mother and daughter – Nancy Salzman and Lauren Salzman.
Freaking hilarious but true.
Sounds like BS
It’s true.
https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/nxivm-co-founder-nancy-salzman-says-she-doesnt-deserve-prison/
32. Sucking at Volleyball
33. Wearing that stupid fucking headband and kneepads during volleyball
33a. Thinking that headband and kneepads was actually attractive or classy.
https://images.app.goo.gl/zNsPbGXbwd8HMa6w7
You forgot the love triangle with Ben Myers and Michelle Myers-Salzman and others at Executive Success Programs.
What was the catalyst for all of this acceptance of things that have been public knowledge for years. Nicki was at the trial, she heard some of this stuff from the horses mouths. Two weeks ago she had just done another interview defending him, so while I’m glad she’s now ready to see facts as facts, I’m not reading how she came around to this conclusion. Just reading back to us what we already know feels a little trolling. Old habits die hard, I guess.
Why are individuals attacking Clyne?
What do any of you benefit from attacking her?
1. She shouldn’t have to repent
3. She had a change of perspective.
3. She shared why she changed.
What do, you, people want Nicki to do, put on a hair shirt and perform self-flagellation?!?!
Nothing is going to change the past.
Contrition and a mea culpa won’t change anything.
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Are any of you so pious as to cast the first stone?
And that, right there, IS the problem for either side. They all think they are so righteous..
Exactly!
I actually wrote the “thee be judged”,
comment.
Nicki Clyne changed her opinion via
freewill & agency.
I don’t think she’s a bad person. The meanest thing I’ve ever said about her was, “her vagina needs glasses”, because she was sleeping with Kieth.
Nicki Clyne is a tough cookie. She stuck to her guns and fought, after Raniere’s conviction for over 2 years. She’s going to be fiend – she’s got determination and grit just like Frank.
I just object to attacking someone who just left a cult. Her heart was always in the right place. Nicki wasn’t making money off of people like Mark Vincente was….
“I just object to attacking someone who just left a cult.” So do I. For God’s sake, people, have some humanity. If she is pulling a scam on us, it will out at some point. Better to kindly grant the benefit of the doubt. Which you did.
Thank you, Nice Guy.
Judge Not:
Clyne made a public statement, and the public is responding. Why the surprise? She has like five social media platforms she devoted to defending a notorious criminal for the last five years.
You like quoting the Bible. So here’s one: sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
Sausage-
“Hate begets hate.”
I’m not surprised.
Sarah and Vicente never apologized to Nicki for taking her money….
Get the picture?
Look man. This is America, and the only god is mammon. She’s cashing in late, but that’s likely what it is. Ultimately, I don’t judge it.
Nicki is posturing ahead of a court trial.
Well done, Nicki, and thanks for putting forth points for the remaining loyalists to consider. Some posts on here are chilling, such as, “If you let it happen that someone abuses you for almost two decades this is upon you.” Clearly there is little understanding of how the narcissistic abuser can inflict that.
Keith’s biggest tell, in my eyes, was a pattern of never lifting a finger to truly help anyone or any cause in his “mission” to make a better world. He appears to have spent his life manipulating others into meeting his needs of daily sustenance, bill paying, and constant self-gratification. I asked long ago for anyone to put up an example to prove me wrong. A parasitic lifestyle is an alarm bell. Most altruists work very hard (often at their own expense) to move their good intentions forward.
He rejects his children (born, and aborted at his urging), lovers past and present, former supporters, and those with a different view of his self perceived magnificence.
The important thing now is that you have friends (yes, friends) and those who wish you well. He has none, other than a few who have not yet seen through the veil, or are too stubborn to look deeply.
That said, I still do not want to see Keith harshly abused in our prison system, which is so arbitrary in the punishment it metes out.
Well said, Nancy. Great advice, as always.
I’ve consistently felt that the teachings of Keith that delivered the most value were the modules on behaviors that he himself practiced. Parasites, levelers, suppressives, psychopaths, etc. He was entertaining himself by playing hide-n-seek while teaching about these types of behavioral patterns, but imo it is valuable information to learn from somebody who was a master of those strategies/mindsets. .
Excellent point, Nutjob.
Truly happy for you Nicki. It took a long time to get all the way under Keith’s thumb and it understandably took some time to get out. I’m rooting for you the most.
Well! An exquisite case of the student becoming her own Master (of herself). This was so well conceived and written, that I must stand back and praise this individual for freaking slaying (Raniere).. Most well written, succinct summary of this dummy. Indeed, each action over the years hurt the company that he professed to want to grow and change the world! When watching clips of him speaking of the organization growing exponentially, i would wonder is that a true goal or is it just a lie? His laziness, disorganization, obsession with himself and the talent to triangulate people against each other paints the true portrait of this person. I believe that is part of the fascination about it all. A psychopathic display that when looked at in its totality… just shows the carnage of many of the pain and wrecked lives of anyone who got tangled up with him. Ms. Clyne, I feel, has had scales fall from her eyes to reveal a very intelligent soul with more power now than ever. Well done. This recent writing is so effective and hits so hard that it gives me hope for anyone else still under that spell. Rock On Nicki. I’ll never know ya, but you made me proud via the power of those words!
How easy it is for those not hypnotized to see:
1. How ordinary the two “NLP masters” Vanguard and Prefect were
2. How foolish the victims were who starved, didn’t sleep and gave their bodies and souls away
How often are we all mesmerized, fooled and convinced to do stupid, foolish things?
Just look around at politics.
James Lindsay can tell you how deep and wide the victimization has gone. If you listen to his podcast, you might learn how you too, have been as fooled as Nicki Clyne used to be.
If you read a few FR articles about family courts, you’ll see how good parents are absolutely shocked that family courts favor early sexualization of children. They wonder: “How can it happen?” and “Why isn’t anyone doing anything about it?”
“Drag Queen Story Time” and “Drag Queen Family Shows” baffle most Americans, too.
Citizens of every country wonder why American Embassies fly American and rainbow flags together, now.
Most readers and commenters here, wondering how ESP/NXIVM victims could have been so easily fooled are probably among the billions all over the world, who lined up to be injected with whatever that was. May those still sleeping wake up as quickly as Nicki did. Our house is on fire and this is an emergency.
It didn’t just start.
The house has been on fire.
Crowley was a spy.
Read all about it
on The New York Times front page:
“Rites of Eleusis”
“… THE ALEISTER CROWLEY BIBLIOGRAPHY PROJECT
NEWSPAPER ARTICLES BY AND ABOUT ALEISTER CROWLEY …”
https://www.100thmonkeypress.com/biblio/acrowley/articles/articles.htm
James Lindsay is full of shit and needs psychiatric help
It seems like maybe what he said offended you in some way?
How are you falling for this?
“Almost any other form of discipline or punishment would have been preferable, and likely more effective”. Likely more effective? So in your mind she deserved to be punished?
No mention of the collateral situation.
This is another con.
I don’t think it’s saying or implying she should have been punished. I think she means that the punishment Daniela received was one of the worst types she could have gotten.
That’s a lot of realizations for someone calling all the other women liars for years. I hope Nikki reaches out and apologizes to every single woman she said was lying.
I totally agree.
Same. And also, I hope she gets some help, because these are very tough awakenings for someone brainwashed for literally decades.
6:07 …
Don’t you think they were ALL victims of very sophisticated mind warp? “Experts” have been refining NLP etc. for years.
ESP/NXIVM victims should reach out to each other, apologize, forgive and find out everything they don’t know yet.
“ESP/NXIVM victims should reach out to each other, apologize, forgive and find out everything they don’t know yet.”
Well said. Whenever there is sharing by those isolated by a narcissist’s lies, there is potential to scrape off a little more of that patina of deceit and let light in.
I believe she will
Nikki I am so happy you have woken up to who Keith really is. I wish you nothing but the best going forward. You’re still young and you’re beautiful and intelligent you can do whatever you want.