By Nicki Clyne
I have changed my position on Keith Raniere. I no longer believe he is a man of noble character, as I once did.
I also do not believe he considered my best interests or helped me achieve the goals for which I sought his guidance.
I have come to certain realizations about my past decisions and views, which leave me with no choice but to renounce the man who influenced them. I will no longer publicly support or try to free him for these and many other reasons.
I do not believe my intentions were false or impure, but the methods I followed were misguided.
From a young age, I have felt that what we perceive in a material sense is only a fraction of what we can experience spiritually. I read about spiritual quests in books, and men and women who seemed to have attained a higher state of consciousness.
I knew I wanted that, but had no idea how to attain it — or where to start.
When I first met Keith Raniere, at 23 years old, through his educational programs and as the leader of an organization, I perceived him to have a knowledge of humanity and spirituality that could help me on my quest to find my higher self.
He quickly convinced me he knew better than anyone how to achieve or become what I sought.
He once asked me what single question I would ask an omniscient being if I could, to which I replied: “Who am I?”
He then asked me what my biggest fear was concerning him. I said I feared that he would want to sleep with me.
So, when he inevitably encouraged our sexual union, I assumed it was to help me overcome my biggest fears and attachments.
Little did I know that this would lead to 16 years of suffering, self-rejection, and the sacrifice of my own wants, desires, and priorities. I say this not for sympathy, and I am not seeking retribution. I have no one to blame but myself and my myopic view that Keith was the ultimate guide for my spiritual advancement.
I persuaded myself that Keith’s abusive treatment was part of the path to the freedom I was seeking. Instead, through calculated deception, he taught me to doubt myself, distrust my intuition, believe myself unworthy, and, most of all, he taught me to fear him unconditionally.
With more than a tinge of embarrassment, I’ll admit that I thought Keith had supernatural powers. I thought my weaknesses and failures to meet his expectations were a constant burden for him, and for which I carried enormous guilt. All I could hope to do, in repentance, was subjugate my own needs in an effort to repair my seemingly insurmountable “ethical breach.” This often meant engaging in sex at his whim, supposedly for my spiritual benefit, only to be dismissed and disposed of immediately after his sexual gratification. Any discontent or lack of feigned enthusiasm was met with disapproval and the notion that I was a drain on his generous spirit — even going so far as suggesting that my negativity could be fatal for him.
I was meant to be “happy,” so I put on a happy face. At least, I tried. I felt eternally indebted to what I perceived as his noble generosity and assumed I would spend my lifetime trying to make up for the misdeeds he was constantly bringing to my attention.
I am not writing this with anger or regret. For whatever reason, this was a path I chose.
My recent realizations were facilitated by a man I once feared, the person I considered my biggest enemy and the reason for my life’s destruction, the author of the prolific blog, The Frank Report. Frank Parlato has been blamed and applauded for taking down Keith Raniere and NXIVM. For years, I resented and feared him.
I have come to see now that he was not my enemy, not even then. I believe he attacked Keith Raniere in part in self-defense and because he believed Keith was pretending to be good while wreaking havoc and harming innocent people, including and especially those who earnestly came to him for help.
Frank’s motivation was not some conspiracy to ruin a good man, as I previously thought.
It’s implausible to believe that the long trail of Keith’s victims over several decades, many who had no connection to one another, were all lying and seeking illicit rewards.
Frank’s rigorous investigation into Keith and NXIVM allowed me to re-evaluate my views and my own experience in such a way that it is irrefutable.
It is five years since Keith Raniere lost his worldly freedom. I was present for this event, and even being raided by heavily armed Mexican Federales was not enough to shake me from my delusion. Additionally, the personal betrayals by people I thought were my friends, and much of the exaggerated, and sometimes false, anti-NXIVM rhetoric, only led me to be more committed to my defense of Keith and my view that there was injustice.
Apart from Keith himself, I felt a moral obligation to a community of people I knew to be good and well-intended.
While I put on an outward appearance of strength and steadfast dedication, there was a part of me that secretly hoped Keith would never be released from prison.
I prayed that Keith would let me go in peace once all legal remedies were exhausted to free him. But, until now, I couldn’t conceive of leaving him without a lifetime of guilt and shame.
During the five years since he was arrested, I was determined not to be swayed by any material interest: not money, not fame, not relief from prosecution, not salvaging my reputation, not even pleasing the people close to me.
In public, I was consistent in my message that Keith was a deeply misunderstood character and that the NXIVM community’s intentions were good. Within myself, there were so many things I could not reconcile.
Despite my disillusionment with Keith, I am still concerned with some of the methods used by the prosecution in his case. Through my experiences these past years, I have gained insight into the inequities of the criminal justice system and the often inhumane conditions of incarceration in America. I intend to continue my advocacy for the humane treatment of people in prison and promote a fairer system of justice.
If it is true, as credible experts have claimed, that the FBI was complicit in fabricating evidence to convict Keith Raniere, I support its exposure and the holding of those responsible accountable.
However, I will not spend the rest of my days defending Keith and his choices, especially with the knowledge that so many have suffered due to his reckless conduct and selfishness.
I am grateful to everyone who has been a part of my life, most especially my mother, who has shown me unconditional love and support throughout the years, and who always trusted I would find the right path, on my terms.
I may or may not share the details of my 18 years under Keith Raniere’s deceptive leadership, but I felt it was necessary to at least make my position clear.
I look forward to what’s next and appreciate everyone who has stood by me. I hardly expect everyone to agree with my position, and that’s okay. I believe there is a way to find the good even in the most challenging and detrimental circumstances, and we are far better doing that than lamenting the past and playing the victim.
I plan to share further thoughts on this soon.
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I dont get how someone who has everything going for them fell for this scam please explain that
Reading this while watching the final episode of The Vow Part II gives it a nice sheen of creepy covered bullshit.
Nicki, remember this, if nothing else- you are valid, you are worthy. Of success. Of love. Of life. Being alive means we are ever changing. Every day is an opportunity for change. You are so strong to have come so far and I know you still have farther yet to go. You don’t need Keith or anyone else to do great things in this world. You have your word. You are a skilled and efficient writer! Use your gift. BE THE CHANGE! Now that you have found your voice again- not Keith’s parroting, YOUR voice- use it. Do some good. Write. Keep telling your story.
And, while your hopes for more humane treatment of incarcerated criminals like Keith are …noble .. I urge you to start closer to home. Advocate for your fellow ex-DOS/NXVIM members, keep trying to reach those still in and support those still healing now that they are out. Most of all, look after yourself and give yourself space and time and patience. Healing, like happiness, is an inside job.
Much luck and best wishes.
“Keith, you are going away forever, can I have your money?” , “NO”. “WHAT AM I DOING HERE!!!”
Good for you, kid. I hope you can get your life back. But I don’t think the FBI fabricated the pictures of that 15 year old girl.
Or her victim impact statement that corroborates the state’s case.
I’m happy your journey has brought you here. I hope you continue to find your peace, and help others find theirs. You can’t make up for your past, all you can do is create a better future.
[…] Raniere until March of this year – publicly broke with him and his remaining followers. She announced her departure on Frank Report on March 27, and on April 2, she named 30 controversies connected to him, which she […]
Some people are just dumb and follow dumb. Blind leading the blind. You were wrong, did wrong, followed wrong. You should try helping all the victims. All of you need to come together and admit wrong doings and Apologize to 9ne another. Only then can you all move on.
I think it’s great you moved past what you thought was real into an actual reality. He hurt a lot of people. There was a good message in it at firt , I think. I would have been fooled. But when someone takes a mind altering status to subject people to horrors, it is no longer empowering…it isn’t even healthy. I can say honestly after seeing you on a few documentary series that I did dislike you. You villianized victims and refused to see what was there. I hope you find peace with yourself and stop worrying about his. He made this hell, he can live in it.
Nicki– this makes my heart so incredibly happy. I am so happy you have found both physical and mental freedom from this truly evil, twisted man and that you’re on your path toward complete healing and reclaiming your life for YOU. It takes guts, and lots of ’em. You go girl.
[…] Clyne left, making an announcement on Frank Report, she closed down the website, […]
Congratulations Nicki! It is hard. My heart goes out to you. I was part of a group called The Source Within (Maureen Becker) and it was so similar. Took years to see they are all similar recipes for the same thing, wealth for one. And ultimately an insecure narcissist who preys on the walking wounded. My grand-ma would say “there is a special place in hell for them.” I am not sure. But I think being them is pretty awful and that is why they try to drag us down with them. So be your awesome self! You have an inner light that he saw. I see it. Get back there. You deserve love, happiness and all the good things!
[…] that Raniere was innocent. (Clyne has since released a statement saying that she has “changed my position” on the convicted […]
The fog has lifted
So happy to hear this! As I watched the documentaries, it was heartbreaking that you and the other four were still “by his side.”
I hope you are able to find complete healing!
Hi Nicky, I watched and also commented on a few of your YouTubes. Happy to read you are taking the first step towards freedom… which is also the last step. Between one thought and another – you can be free to leave anything you were in the past. You don’t have to justify anything to anyone anymore. Now… it’s just you and your truth… you don’t have to tell… you don’t have to write… you don’t have to… you just don’t have to.
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There is only one small tip, take if you want, don’t take if you don’t want… Keith Raniere was selfish because he was fake. He wanted to be seen as a selfless person. And this was big trouble. Be selfish in the right way… so that you combine what pleases you with what is beneficial for others. Love is not pain. Fear is pain. And fear is the opposite of love. Love is a non-judgmental acceptance of all that is. inside and outside.
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Lots of love.
This is a lot. But I am happy you are starting to draw your own conclusions. I hope you get therapy with a LICENSED practitioner to truly deconstruct every bit of the indoctrination. I hope you can mold your own identity and your own moral compass! Good Luck.
Way to go, Nicki! I’m been following your journey via the documentaries and your YouTube stuff. I wish you the best moving forward, and would be interested in better understanding your change of heart. 💜
Nicki…we’ve cared about you since BSG. Know that you’re loved fully and truly. Be free of this now. Live your life with no codependence or illusions than anyone on the planet has your answers. Much love ABA
Nicki…we’ve cared about you since BSG. Know that you’re loved fully and truly. Be free of this now. Live your life with no codependence or illusions than anyone on the planet has your answers. Much love ABA
So many cults are lead by repulsive people that are repugnant not magnetic. By any standard, Keith is unkempt, pudgy and grossly unattractive. He spoke in ridiculous circles yet never said one thing that was novel or revolutionary or compelling. The videos of him are absolute gobbledygook. I am baffled all these people wasted so many precious days “working” on themselves instead of a mastering a job or doing real philanthropy at the behest of such a total and complete loser. At the least he gave many of them herpes and manipulated many to forego meaningful, egalitarian relationships with others. At the worst he stole, abused, enslaved and tortured. I hope it doesn’t take you 16 years to shake his perverse methods and that you can just live, live without overthinking absolutely everything. It wasn’t a vision quest. It was just a play to never let anyone be successful.
I would buy your book in a heartbeat. I’m happy you are on your way to finding your true self. Blessings to you.
It is never too late to leave an abusive relationship. And it does take immense courage to push through that fear. I’m so happy that you have reclaimed your life Nicki. You deserve true fulfillment just like all the others who were abused on a mass scale by this diabolical perversion of a human.
Good for you Nicki!
[…] terminated that relationship – and renounced my involvement with Raniere and NXIVM. See “Nicki Clyne Leaves Keith Raniere: Her Statement,” THE FRANK REPORT, (March 27, […]
Congratulations Nicki, you’ll never regret leaving that terrible group.
I want to thank you and Frank for publishing this extraordinarily honest statement – it gives me hope that others in similar groups can find their way out too.
I do think you are being too hard on yourself though. Raniere was an extremely unfair opponent. I don’t think anyone can be adequately prepared for the unconscionable manipulations you were subjected to. I still struggle to comprehend the depths of callousness in characters like him, who are so ruthlessly self-aggrandizing – and their remarkable skills in pinpointing vulnerabilities and relentlessly exploiting them.
Best wishes for your continued recovery.
I knew this would happen eventually and that her eyes would be open and was the spell was broken, there is no going back. I thought it would take a lot more time than it has. I’m relieved for her sake that she has woken up while she is still young and hasn’t given her whole life to him unlike women like Pam etc. I hope Nikki is able to move on and have her own family and no longer has to sacrifice all of her personal goals to Keith Raniere and his pathetic need to control women.
Ignore the thoughtless and unkind comments here. They don’t see how courageous it is to publicly change your mind and be truthful with yourself in such an exposed way. Envelop yourself with compassion, from others and from yourself.
What is wrong with all these women? Hanging around for twenty years waiting for some dude to knock you up and live happily ever after with while he bangs all their friends? Talk about dumb. Gosh.
Only thing that changed nicki bobbleheads mind was dollar signs too big to pass up. That shit ain’t brave its weak as water. She also needa eat a sandwich 🥪. Frank starving her out.
I hope you know it, or come to realize that you are a victim of Keith. There is nothing wrong with the feelings that are associated with being hurt in this way. Acknowledging you are a victim worthy of feeling anger, grief and sadness is a part of the healing journey. You are also worthy of compassion and forgiveness. Sending you love.
I wish you peace on your healing journey. Having followed this case I have such empathy for those who were led astray by this narcissistic man.
I am truly happy for you and look forward to you living your life now on your terms. You have so much to offer. Hopefully others follow you .
Good you found yourself
This is great news, but I would think you would remove your social media posts stating how he has been ‘wronged’ by the DOJ and shut down that ridiculous conversation. He’s guilty. Let him rot
I’m absolutely thrilled by the news! (Yes, I have been painfully slow to catch up) This is major. Mad respect for Nicki, Frank and all the FR crew!
Thinking about you Nicki 💜 sending you love, support, strength, and friendship now and always.
Hi Nicki! I am truly happy for you! I hope you are gentle with yourself and you have people who can hold tight.
(Also, you blocked me on Twitter, so I’m glad I found this place to leave this little message)
I am so happy for you. At the same time I’m concerned. You let go of the trapeze without a net. You may be falling for quite some time. It’ll be okay, there are a sea of hands raised ready to catch you. Just believe in yourself for a change. You can give Jesus a shot, or Buddha (like me), or Allah, Jehovah, Jah, Brahma, loads of them.
Avoid. The Lighthouse international, Paul Waugh newest cult. Mooji, Osho, and others that will crop up here from time to time.
What were you good at? I’ve never seen your acting, were you any good at it?
Wow. All the new people you are going to get to know. It’s exciting. Now you’ve let go of the trapeze love can get to you. When you hang onto something for too long, you forget what it was like not to. Enjoy forgetting.
All our very best
Thank you for sharing your insights, as painful as they were to earn. I encourage you to move away from victim blaming yourself- you are not solely responsible; what happened to you was abuse and manipulation, which are not your fault. The concepts of responsibility and sovereignty are misused by narcissists to actually make us feel at fault for everything that ever happens, and thus we never direct our anger at the abuser. I should have known better, it was my choice.. but that’s not how coercive control works. Wishing you self live and compassion on your journey
So glad you have accessed your warrior self- to come back after so many years of coercive control/narcissistic abuse is almost an impossible thing, but you have taken the leap of faith and landed again . I wish you peace and strength as you rebuild your life .You are inspiring so many others who are stuck in cults and abusive relationships-
I am so happy for you. So relieved. I have been a huge fan since Battlestar Galactica and it was hard to watch someone with such amazing talent and such a warm, bright spirit get caught in such a web of lies. It’s hard to watch someone who is stuck in a tunnel. You want so badly to help them. You want to save them. But you know the only way is for them to save themselves. So you have to patience wait for them at the tunnel opening, trying to keep the light going inside the tunnel so someday they find their way out. You did it! I know there is probably a long ways to go but you are out of the tunnel. Welcome back to the world!
SO HAPPY FOR YOU. Sending you love and light. -KL
It is so hard to break free from narcissistic abuse, especially after being in it so long and from such a young age. This statement is amazing, and I hope you continue to grow and succeed on your journey.
Do happy you’ve made it.
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Nicki—I’m so relieved and thrilled to read this, and a host of internet strangers are so proud of you! I know there’s a long and strenuous journey of healing ahead of you, but your life is just beginning, and there’s so much love and light waiting for you in this next phase of life. Try not to let the critics’ judgments and questions get to you. You’ve done the hard work to leave your old way of thinking and an abusive situation, and only those who have experienced something similar can understand the nuances of what that means. Wishing you well in the days ahead. xx
Don’t talk to anyone from nxivm ever again. Then your letter and intentions are sincere.
As I watched The Vow, my heart broke for you and I had hope that you would find your way to a healthier place for yourself. Stay strong, lean on those who want to help you, and much love to you.
“ I feared him unconditionally”
That was harrowing.
Nickis post was refreshingly authentic, earnest and quite frankly, inspiring.
Anyone who has been victimized by a partner can relate -anyone whose vulnerability has been abused by a person of power can as well.
This was as real as it can get.
I appreciate how candid her views on Frank Parlato were.
Beautifully said ❤️
Nicki- I am so proud of your strength and wish you peace and comfort as you work to find healing.
Although I don’t know you, Nicki, I am so extremely happy to hear this news for you. I wish you so much love and support through this process. Your statement shows enormous courage and strength. I am so, so happy to learn of your newfound freedom.
I have had a very similar experience to yours but within an infinitely smaller group which drew no publicity or public attention at all. I went into it for the same reasons you expressed and I was used and taken advantage of in many of the same ways that you were and that you describe here. I got out of it only 10 months ago, so I can relate from first hand experience with the desire to move forward with love and strength and not to be considered a victim (a concept that was villainized and weaponized in my own group as well).
However, I also know that the process of stepping away and recovering from such an experience takes time and the realization and understanding of what you have been through comes in waves and degrees. Although many people will not understand this and will not understand how we became drawn into such situations and stayed in them for so long, just know that there are still PLENTY of people who do know first hand, who hear you and relate to you. You are not alone. Ignore the trolls. So much love to you. <3
YEAH NICKI!!! i have tremendous respect for your bravery and honesty. You are not alone and there is lots of support waiting for you
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PS. Nicki, I watched the Dossier Project videos and it pained me. You seemed desperate to convince yourself (and others) that Keith and DOS were simply misunderstood. You obviously are intelligent and have a good heart (despite your association/relationship with Keith). It pained me that you may have missed out on the only true divine experience–motherhood-because of that selfish and disgusting Keith Raniere. I hope you will truly live YOUR life for YOU from now on, and I wish you the best.
I wouldn’t call motherhood the only true divine experience, but I confirm that I’m an atheist and don’t ascribe to the divinity concept. Parenthood is pretty special without bringing deities into the picture.
Whilst I agree motherhood is a divine experience, its NOT for everyone, especially in a country where their beautiful child runs the risk of being shot simply for attending school. It is not for everyone.
To all of you in the world who seek “enlightenment” and “higher meaning” so fervently: Imagine you LOVE dolphins (or pick your favourite animal) SO MUCH. You live, breathe, dream of them, always. All you’ve ever wanted, is to know what it is like to truly live as a dolphin. “God” comes to you one day, and offers to turn you into a dolphin one time only, so you can experience BEING a dolphin for an entire dolphin’s lifetime. The only caveat, is that you WILL be a dolphin, and will not remember being human until the end of your natural dolphin life, when you will return to your human state, and then will remember all you experienced while you were a dolphin. You are elated beyond measure. You say YES!!
You are then born a dolphin. But as you begin to mature, swim your surroundings in the sea, you begin to develop a curiosity about what lies beyond the sea, especially on land. What is it? Why is it there? So much so, that instead of spending your days swimming, foraging, integrating within your dolphin social structure, instead of LIVING as a dolphin, you become obsessed with wanting to know what and why is beyond your dolphin existence.
One day, you encounter a human in a boat. Your insatiable curiosity and obsession with what “lies beyond” your own existence, ends up with you living in captivity. You then spend the rest of your dolphin life in an enclosure, and you now have a “leader” who controls when and what you eat, sleep, and experience.
Despite this, you live a long life. When your dolphin life is over and you return to human form, you learn that you wasted your one opportunity! Completely unaware of course, but you ended up being so curious about what lay beyond your own existence as a dolphin, that you did not LIVE your life as a dolphin, and never experienced what you were supposed to. Instead, you spent your life inside an isolated facsimile. You did not even learn what was “beyond” because you spent your entire life inside an enclosure where all you did was follow orders given to you by the creator of the enclosure.
This is what all you “seekers” remind me of. Instead of living your lives and experiencing humanity WITH humanity, instead of finding meaning within YOUR OWN lives, you live in CAPTIVITY to another person whom you *think* is more powerful than you, you *think* can give you the answers to the meaning of life.
But after years or decades of doing FOR your leader, what “enlightenment” have you achieved? NONE. NOTHING. Because instead of LIVING your life as a free soul, you wasted it, looking for meaning while surviving (not living) in captivity to another person.
You are NOT living your true human existence when you are living inside an environment wholly created and controlled by one person. You are living inside the confines of an enclosure this one person CREATED for their sole, own benefit. That is NOT life as we are meant to live it, it is a FAKE substitute for the REAL thing. It is a life of captivity within a fake enclosure designed with fake laws & fake rules that serves ONLY the needs of the creator of them, the ‘leader’.
All of you who are currently living your life in captivity to another person, GET OUT of captivity and start LIVING. YOU are just as “divine” as your guru/master/leader. He/she is just as human as you are. The only difference is, they have found a way to convince you that living in captivity TO THEM, SERVING THEM, is going to lead you enlightenment and the answers you seek. But If you truly want to know what the meaning of life is, step OUT and LIVE it. FREELY.
Have children if you can. If you truly want to feel a divine connection, the closest any being will have, human, animal or otherwise, is through creating life. And if that is not possible, socialize and bond with others in ways that makes them smile, laugh, or feel comforted. NOT by tearing them down so you can convince them you’re saving them from their weaknesses and failures. (Sound familiar, Nicki? That was Keith’s M.O. “You harmed me with your failures and you now need to make it up to me by doing whatever I ask, whenever I ask, for the rest of your life.”)
Enlightenment NEVER comes from a single human being who will decide when you are ready to receive it. It can only come from truly LIVING your life, not by studying it. And most of all, enlightenment NEVER comes from giving your money or body to anyone. Especially to one particular person. The true meaning of life will NEVER be known to you by living in isolation and captivity in a type of world created by someone soley for their benefit.
Moreover, humans are meant to live within the human habitat, not beyond it. To attempt to do so, is the greatest waste of your human life. Just as dolphins are meant to experience BEING dolphins, we are meant to experience our HUMAN existence by living freely surrounded by humanity. Not by living a life of captivity inside an environment wholly created and controlled by one person.
So STOP living in captivity, STOP studying what is the meaning of life, and START LIVING it!!
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“Moreover, humans are meant to live within the human habitat, not beyond it. To attempt to do so, is the greatest waste of your human life”
I agree with you 💯 here. We only have limited capacity as humans. It’s understandable we get intrigued from time to time and think we are extra special for thinking in such a way that we think we’re chosen and so must go on a quest. Others also feel like this. We all think we are right or justified over others in what we do all the time because that’s all we know in our minds. But we mere humans in this big ol’ universe that on the grand scheme of space and time – our existence although precious and invaluable – we’re nothing in the universe. You can’t see the world it’s invisible… we’re existing minus infinity. It’s sad they put Keith on this pedestal when he’s merely mortal and will face death like everyone else.
Sounds like she’s already started to write the book, or at least to prepare material for the ghostwriter.
Agreed. Good marketing
Hi Nicki. You blocked me on Twitter I just wanted to say you have so much support! Stay stong!
Why would anyone trust someone who can change her mind so quickly?
I can’t stand Raniere but I would have walked within the first hour.
Brainwashing isn’t a legal defense for the simple reason that it is total BS.
You weren’t there
ANYONE can change their mind in a moment of time, even after believing something different for 80 years. Your question is “Why would anyone trust anyone?” I suppose there is a laundry list of answers for every individual, but that is not to say that someone who does a “one-eighty” is automatically unreliable.
How is 5 years “quickly”? Sometimes, it takes a long time to get away from an abusive situation.
If her biggest fear was being compelled to have sex with Raniere, why did she have sex with Raniere and does she/ did she harbour a grudge against him?
As she said, she thought he was getting her to conquer her fears
But did she resent being drawn into a sexual relationship with him if it was her biggest fear?
Lots of people have sex with their boss but it doesn’t mean they want to and deeply resent the situation.
Not exactly “their boss”, more like their guru
She was an adult making adult choices. 18 years is a long time to be blindsided by BS.
Not when you’re in a cult
Sex with the leader in a cult is primary. It’s always been this way and yet people still fall for this BS over and over again.
She had bisexual sex with most top brass at nxivm. She’s simply a slut.
No evidence for that whatsoever
And no evidence saying she didn’t either.
As Karl Popper would say, that’s a non-falsifiable proposition
Ew. Do some more reading on the frank report to understand the pull and mental manipulation cults expose you to. This comment shows your need to inform yourself before commenting
And bisexual sex with Lauren, Michelle, and others?????
Nope
So?
Watch seduction, gives you a good insight as to how he used your insecurities to mask sexual exploitation as “working on you”