I’m getting tired of the constant hypocrisy expressed by anti-cultists on this site.
The loyalty shown (towards Keith Raniere) by Brandon Porter, Nicki Clyne, Suneel, and Danielle Roberts is no different than the loyalty shown by 95% of FrankReport members to their political heroes who engage in immoral behavior.
Brandon Porter, Danielle Roberts, Nicki Clyne and Eduardo Asunsolo are loyal to Keith Raniere.
And guess what? We’re gonna talk about this shit RIGHT NOW.
Indeed, most FR readers honestly believe they’re nothing like the NXIVM “dead-enders” whom they love to vilify for not turning their backs on their Vanguard.
Let’s explore that for a moment.
Most FR readers are screaming that Keith’s supporters have shown such ‘extreme loyalty’ that they behave like cult-like robots.
Would you remain loyal to this Vanguard?
Yet, 95% of FR readers (including prominent members like Aristotle’s Sausage, Ice-Nine, Joe O’Hara, Sherizzy, Ruth Graham, etc.) have shown the EXACT SAME ‘fanatical loyalty’ towards their own liberal heroes caught engaging in nefarious and immoral activity.
For example, these same FR readers FULLY SUPPORT Bill Clinton over George Bush on women’s issues — even though several women have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault or sexual harassment and/or actual rape.
That’s called FANATICAL LOYALTY.
It means the anti-cultists are guilty of the same cult-like ‘loyalty’ that they accuse others of.
The Vanguard, William Jefferson Clinton
Juanita Broaddrick thought #MeToo-era media would have taken her Bill Clinton rape claims seriously, but she did not realize that #MeToo cult members excuse the conduct of their cult leaders as much or more than, say, Nicki Clyne excuses or dismisses the conduct of her Vanguard.
These women committed ethical breaches against Vanguard Clinton by accusing him of rape and sexual assault.
Vanguard had the help of his Prefect, Hillary, to silence the women.
Vanguard Clinton ruined this young lady’s life, but thanks to his cult supporters, he thrived and prospered.
Vanguard Raniere used his library as his sex lair.
Vanguard [Clinton] uses his penthouse apartment above the Clinton Presidential Library in Little Rock as his sex lair. Prefect [Hillary] refuses to stay in the apartment, because she knows that’s his love nest.
What about the woman who, during the 2020 election, accused Joe Biden of sexually harassing her back in the 90’s when she was a staffer working for him?
Well, these same FR readers just YAWN and claim such women must be liars, while continuing to support Biden. LOL.
Yet, when similar accusations are made against a conservative
Supreme Court nominee, these same FR readers swear that women don’t ever lie about this topic and must be believed in every case, LOL.
(Not to mention, in the Supreme Court hearings, the woman in question was caught in several lies, including saying her close friend witnessed the act — only to have her close friend later DENY even being there, LOL).
Let’s change gears.
What about the diary entry from an authenticated diary, which claims that Biden’s daughter allegedly took an ‘inappropriate shower’ with her dad?
Well, these same FR readers just YAWN — and they continue to support Biden with 100% loyalty, LOL.
95 percent of Biden cult members say, “there was no proof.”
Yet, can you imagine what would happen if Trump’s daughter made a diary entry suggesting the same thing about her dad?
If that happened… These same FR readers would be SCREAMING that Trump is a pervert who should be investigated —- and they’d encourage every media outlet to run such news 24/7. Lol.
My point is this… Most FR readers show the same FANATICAL LOYALTY towards their liberal heroes that the so-called ‘dead-enders’ show towards Keith.
It’s nothing but hypocrisy.
Let’s explore other things.
These same FR readers claim to abhor the violence and uncivil behavior shown by the January 6th rioters (including most rioters who were not armed and did not harm anybody).
One prominent FR reader (Ice-Nine) expressed a desire to see these people harmed in prison and/or to see them not receive fair and humane treatment in prison (he nearly implied he wants them dead). LOL.
Most other FR readers AGREE with Ice-Nine’s comments, as nobody came forward to dispute him even though they all read his remarks.
Yet, whenever the Antifa riots happen (which cause billions of dollars in damage and dish out physical beatings to any opposing demonstrators), these same FR readers just YAWN and have no real problem with Antifa’s violence and uncivil behavior —- you know, the same violent behavior they claim to abhor when somebody else does it. LOL
Cult member explains: “We demand the fullest prosecution and maximum incarceration of the insane criminals who stormed the Capital on January 6. They took the law into their own hands and caused more than $1.5 million in damage to the Capitol building.
“We support the Antifa peaceful protests where they stormed banks, burned courthouses, and stores, causing dozens of deaths, injured hundreds of cops, toppled statutes, did more than $2 million in damages to federal property and caused billions in property damage because it requires more than just peaceful protests to get the government’s attention.”
That’s called FANATICAL LOYALTY.
The truth is, I can at least UNDERSTAND why Keith’s friends remain loyal to him since we all show loyalty towards close family or friends.
MK10ART shows the loyal and late friend of Keith Raniere, Pamela Cafritz attending to her Vanguard.
But it’s harder for me to understand why most FR readers show such FANATICAL LOYALTY towards their political heroes — especially when they engage in just as bad, if not worse, than Keith’s behavior.
Is anybody gonna refute what I just said with FACTS?
I anticipate the only responses will be NON-RESPONSIVE and short (or non-existent) —- since the TRUTH cannot be refuted with facts.
The TRUTH has a way of silencing liberal idiots.
Have a pleasant day!
PS — If you’re wondering about my own hypocrisy on this site,
the main difference is that I openly ADMIT to being a hypocrite who enjoys flipping sides in various debates and berating others whenever it suits me.
I’m not arrogant enough to think I’m unbiased or non-hypocritical.
The same is not true for 95% of FR readers. I have an awareness that others don’t have.
Bangkok understands liberals, all too well, he says.
I’m getting tired of the fantasy you keep plugging. You have an empathy deficit that’s clear. Some kind of personality disorder, possibly of the narcissistic type. Soulless! Arguing for the sake of it? Really believe it? Attention whore ? If we wanna talk about word salad we need look no further. Bangkok you have it all.
Raniere, Biden, Clinton, etc. All sexual predators.
[…] Rock Around the Block, or Rock, for short, is one of our esteemed commenters. Rock has a word to say in reply to Bangkok’s Hypocrite Readers Condemn Dead-Enders While in Cults Themselves. […]
Let’s talk about the Cult of Anthony Fauci.
Myocarditis used to be rare but is now after Fauci’s vaccine it is very common.
Thank you Dr. Fauci for damaging the hearts of millions of people.
“Myocarditis: Once Rare, Now Common”
Dr. Danielle warned about it!!
Follow the Money
Joe Biden’s Financial Ties to Communist China.
54 million dollars in bribe money from China to the Penn Biden Center.
China is only communist in name. It’s now more capitalist than the US as a higher percentage of its citizens run their own private companies.
This is good news. But do they have freedom of speech freedom of assembly freedom of travel? Etc.
Hey ass fuck-
How about the Uighurs?
Most importantly how about TAIWAN?
Meet Joe Biden the Pathological Liar
It is believed Hunter Biden had access to Joe Biden’s files.
Hunter Biden apparently owns Joe Biden’s house in Delaware.
Joe Biden the King of Lies and Denials.
URGENT!! TRUMP Latest News [9AM] 1/13/23 | FOX BREAKING NEWS TRUMP January 13, 2023
Very well written piece of journalism by Bangkok.
Every crime that Donald Trump was accused of by the Democrats was committed by Joe Biden and his family of grifters.
For those of you who are still cult followers of Joe Biden, please explain why the Communist Chinese paid 45 million dollars in bribes to Joe Biden’s personal money laundering machine, the Penn Biden Center, a think tank run by Joe Biden.
Well you would say that wouldn’t you Shadow?
45 million in bribes ain’t nothing.
I am not going to completely agree or disagree with the OP.
I am going to say a couple things.
Jon Atack has remarked that a person can do a little exercise.
Take a politician who you know the history, personal behavior, and policies of quite well.
Take a piece of paper. Put a line down the paper from the top to the bottom.
On one side write all the pros for the person, their conduct, their philosophy, and their actions.
On the other, put everything you disagree with, their cons.
If you fill the pros side and have nothing on the cons side you are in a cult.
I agree with his statement.
Many, maybe most, adult Americans, follow political parties like sports teams and excuse immoral conduct and bad policies from the team they support while condemning it in the tram they oppose.
I often refer people to the OG cult experts because in my opinion they have the rare gift of explaining cults in away that is accurate and concise and complete and they use language that the layman can understand.
I generally include Margaret Singer, Robert Jay Lifton, Janja Lalich, and some newer experts like Steve Hassan, Rick Alan Ross, Jon Atack, Daniel Shaw, Rachel Bernstein, Alexandra Stein and A few others because of the quality of their work.
One theme that most of these people have stated in one way or another or agreed to is that cults are not entirely binary, meaning a group is not always the absolute most extreme possible or entirely benevolent with no negative qualities, the vast majority of real groups reflect a more complex reality.
What traits make cults cults exist across multiple different factors and each of these factors can be present in different ways and to greatly varying degrees, with each factor having a spectrum of degree it can manifest across.
The gold standard of cult models in my opinion is the eight criteria for thought reform by Robert Jay Lifton and it has helped many thousands of people to understand and reframe their own experiences.
The most important thing that Lifton said is that if one becomes familiar with the criteria and gains a solid understanding of them, then they have a responsibility to look at their own groups and other groups in society and not just OBVIOUS cultic groups or groups already labeled cults by others.
First I will give you an abridged description.
Dr. Robert J. Lifton’s Eight Criteria for Thought Reform
Milieu Control. This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.
Mystical Manipulation. There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, scripture, and experiences as he or she wishes.
Demand for Purity. The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection. The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.
Confession. Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group. There is no confidentiality; members’ “sins,” “attitudes,” and “faults” are discussed and exploited by the leaders.
Sacred Science. The group’s doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating cliches, which serve to alter members’ thought processes to conform to the group’s way of thinking.
Doctrine over person. Member’s personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.
Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group’s ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also. (Lifton, 1989)
Here’s the entire unabridged version.
“Dr. Robert J. Lifton’s Eight Criteria for Thought Reform” are a little too close to comfort to government lately. 😬
If you see the criteria in a group then you can use your own best judgement on how to proceed!
The whole point is that groups we might accept for a variety of reasons can have the flaws that cults do, either to a lesser degree, less obviously, or in a group that is generally socially accepted, whether it should be or not.
I don’t usually read longwinded comments….I sincerely enjoyed the read.
Thanks for sharing! Sincerely.
“The most important thing that Lifton said is that if one becomes familiar with the criteria and gains a solid understanding of them, then they have a responsibility to look at their own groups and other groups in society and not just OBVIOUS cultic groups or groups already labeled cults by others.”
As we both know, human beings are social animals and we’re all programed to an “extent” to adhere to a social(tribe) group….
Therefore, it’s an Incredible daunting task not to fall prey to human evolutionary social programming. We all do it.
I constantly am checking myself.
Eduardo is the most fanatical of the dead enders. He is emotionally charged over any comment. His love is deep.
The difference you are missing is Raniere’s supporters have always and still are hurting themselves by supporting Raniere. Supporting the political party of your choice isn’t designed to hurt the supported the same way a cult is designed to hurt followers.
Correction: hurt the supporters, not the supported.
What are “dead-enders”?
Dead -enders is the name people have given to the remaining supporters of Keith Raniere.
FYI, just for comparison the people who are expected to stay in Scientology until they die, no matter what happens legally, are called bitter-enders.
Good comparison. BTW I plan to publish your next installment of your excellent Scientology NXIVM series later today. I advise readers to read it, it is one of the most worthwhile analyses of cults I have read.
I just keep on running into things in Scientology and NXVIM that are so similar it bears pointing out!
Frank, you appear to be a THEE forum for people who love to pontificate w/rambling boring word salads. Why is that?
So Bangkok’s getting tired of the constant hypocrisy expressed by 95% of anti-cultists on this site. Why, Bangkok, you’re beginning to sound a lot like Alanzo. 95% eh? Perhaps you might also shed some light on how you arrived at this precise figure? What particular scientific equation did you employ? How intriguing!
Bill Clinton vs George Bush? Hmmm… How about they’re both c***ts IMO? But you’re so perceptive, Bangkok: I remember you thought Peter Longworth was one of Wild Bill’s best mates, had to be corrected on that one too though. So much for “fanatical loyalty”! LOL
BTW, also noted that you said nothing about Georgey Boy. Could it be that your own politics are on display here too? Somewhat unsurprisingly I gather you’re not much of a fan of the #MeToo movement either, possessed of a cult-like anti-wokist agenda no doubt. Not unlike tricky Nicki I have to say – It’s called pronoun phobia! And then you start slagging poor old Joe for sexual harassment (another Democrat), even though he’s just a bit touchy-feely. Come now, sir, surely you should be talking about apes bragging about grabbing pussies to level things up a little?
Love the example of the supreme court justice you gave too. Problem is, Bangkok, that the “logic” you employ cuts both ways: sometimes people lie and sometimes they tell the truth – our politics can often influence what we choose to believe. Once again, your politics is revealed by your own assertions of what is true and what isn’t, what you choose to mention and what you don’t.
Never heard of that diary entry till now. Are you sure about that, or did you just read it in the NYP? I do remember though seeing quite a creepy picture of Ivanka sitting on Daddy’s knee in a mini-skirt when she was about 12. I thought she looked a little uncomfortable, but perhaps it was just how she was sitting. And then of course there were the Epstein photos…”Show me your friends and I’ll tell you who you are,” as Grandma used to say. I think Wild Bill was in a few of those too.
My personal opinion is that the “fanatical loyalty” you claim liberals have towards their leaders is much more of a trait amongst the loony right, who are actively engaged in subverting democratic freedoms and eroding women’s rights, but of course I’m sure you would disagree. No doubt you believe the 2020 election was stolen by voter fraud and the January 6th insurrection was just a few wild boys having a bit of fun in the Capitol. BTW 6 people ended up dead.
“Antifa” you say? A figment of the Loonies’ imagination! Still, if they do exist, sign me up will you: I would be proud to call myself an anti-fascist! Riots happen, Bangkok, because cops kill black people – period.
So you can understand why Keith’s followers stay loyal to him? Well I think that really says so much about you. In fact, now that Keith’s no longer that available, there’s a vacancy at the top of DOS which I really think you should apply for. Wanted: Nasty narcissistic piece of shit to lead gormless former hareem members in misogynistic ministry. Additional perks include endless group BJs. Salary commensurate with experience but plenty of dosh on tap from misguided heiress bereft of grey matter. Desirable: fluent ability to write and talk pure bullshit.
Maybe you’re not that arrogant (you certainly have little to be arrogant about), but your stupidity more than makes up for it. I have to say it was so nice when you took an extended break from FR. Would you not just crawl back under that slimy rock again for another while?
You left out Just Saying
But Yes they all belong to the hypocritical oath society
(Including Roger Stone)
Personally Many correlations here were quite astute., except I’ve heard Clinton’s had people whacked.
What makes you so sure commenters on this blog have “liberal heroes”?
That’s a laughable oxymoron.
Fuck ’em all. Heroes? Politicians?!
Couldn’t get past that 1st assumption.
Ha ha ha Who the fuck has political heroes? Ha ha ha. Wtf? Ha ha ha.
In 2023? People have present day political heroes? Nah. Not too many.
“Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me is a usurper and a tyrant and I declare him my enemy” – P.J.Proudhon
I disagree with everything Bangkok says because it’s Bangkok.
If someone else said it I might agree.
Quite poignant, the insufferable liberals shall feel your pain and wrath.
Bless you for remembering the fact of my Republican Party membership.
Good tidings to and may there be “stank on your hanglow” come Sunday morning.
Additionally, I’ll add I voted for WELD!
I’m NOT a Trump Republican or a FOX news junky.
God bless you all!
Aristotle and IceNine are my favorite Democrats!
FU to Scott! I’ll say one nice thing about Scott: I’ve listened to his show and he has a great broadcasting voice. It’s the one area he’s blessed in – thank God – he’s blessed with something.
Thanks Super Nice Guy! However, Ice-nine is an independent. His favorite politician ever is John McCain. His most important factor in voting is for the quality of the person, not the party. And because Trump is an abhorrent lying narcissistic scumbag, he hates him and everyone that tolerates and enables his lies, which happens to be just about every Republican (except for Nice Guy thankfully!).
I liked McCain.
He was ripped off in South Carolina in the primary against Bush.
I’m positive about that.
You give people that you do not know that much power over you?
On a previous article I have exposed a ruse by LTCR Data designed to fool FR readers about supposed genuine content that was actually artificial intelligent drivel. I am confident in saying that Bangkok’s comments are neither artificial nor intelligent, and no computer (or human for that matter) could ever simulate his unmistakable locution, but they are entertaining. Bless you, Bangkok.
Bangkok needs a nap.
Bangkok still suckles….
Thank you for writing this…I am now dumber for having read it.
So Hillary is Nancy Saltzman and Biden is Clare Bronfman.
Powerful comparison with Raniere and Clinton. I too was blinded by Clinton, however, when news of his relationship with Epstein and trips to his island came out, there was too much to deny. Monica Lewinsky is a victim of the woman she had trusted who betrayed her confidence.
Was that Ghislaine Maxwell?