The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial – Part 2: The Pilot Testifies

by Paul Serran

This is a series of articles on the ongoing Ghislaine Maxwell trial. To read the first article in this series, click on The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial – Part 1

The first witness to testify at Ghislaine Maxwell was the airplane pilot Lawrence Paul Visoski Jr., also known as  ‘Larry’.

“Ghislaine Maxwell was ‘number two’ in Jeffrey Epstein’s hierarchy, pilot says at sex-abuse trial” – is an often-repeated headline. But his testimony was much more complex than that.

There is a big scene out there with thousands of independent journalists that have been deep into this story for half a decade at least. To us, Larry has been known at least ever since the first FBI Epstein doc dump around 2017. While he was being called as a witness for the prosecution, everyone knew that he is a man who has a real, strong sense of gratitude and loyalty towards Epstein, who was very good to him as an employer.

He is also a man who used the social media handle ‘Captain Big Dawg’, who gives the clear impression of having a ‘guys will be guys’ outlook on life, and a ‘laissez-faire’ disposition towards the debauchery of the super elites.

‘Captain Big Dawg’ was always expected to make a show of loyalty to Epstein on the stand.

Larry was first hired in Ohio, in 1991, and testified that he flew Epstein every 4 days, on average. Most flights took place between Palm Beach and Santa Fe (actually Stanley, NM), Paris, New York and Saint Thomas (near the ‘Pedophile Island’ of Little St. James).

He testified to AUSA Maureen Comey that he felt that Maxwell and Epstein had a relation that was more personal than business, ‘but not romantic, more like couple-ish’.

Visoski said that Maxwell ‘changed her hair a lot, like most women’. He identified her in court. He added that, for a domestic flight, not all records were taken.

He went on to describe the Palm Beach house, and the NY townhouse. In Palm Beach, he testified, he was driven by Juan Alesio (who will be one of the next witnesses).

In New York, Visoski would pick up luggage in Epstein’s house, and would ‘install video equipment’.

According to him, Max had assistants, some women named Kimberly and Sarah Kellen.

He talked about the 10 thousand acre Zorro ranch, where Epstein had a runway and a hangar for 4 planes.

Also there, Visoski would pick up luggage and ‘install electronics’, saying Epstein ‘was an audiophile, and had a home theatre with a drop-down screen’.

He also testified that he flew the helicopter from St Thomas to Little St. James Island, where he also ‘installed electronics’, adding that they could also get there by boat.

Larry mentioned that he visited both Maxwell’s apartment and the townhouse she bought afterward, always ‘for luggage and electronics’.

[NOTE: By now, most of us know that all rooms in all Epstein residences were wired for sound and audio, so that he could film his ‘friends’ and clients having sex, and have kompromat on them. So, the insistence with which Visoski mentions his electronics installations sound really weird, and the fact that no questions were made about that are even weirder.]

Visoski said he would fly Epstein every four days, in average.

Larry carries on to confirm that Ghislaine Maxwell flew the helicopter many times – which many people think is a legend, but it’s not.

Visoski flew Epstein to Traverse City, Michigan, in what he described as ‘cherry season’. He confirmed to have picked up his luggage in Interlochen Center for the arts. (This will be relevant in the ‘Jane’ testimony.)

At this juncture, the jury reads the birth certificate of Jane and Virginia Roberts Giuffre, two of Epstein’s underage victims. By now, mind you, there can be no doubt about their age when the events that the trial will examine took place.

Larry recognizes the name of ‘the singer’ that flew on the plane – the first of the 4 victims who will testify anonymously, and who is being called Jane.

He said he remembers her because Epstein took her to the cabin. ‘She had piercing powder blue eyes’. He remembered Virginia Roberts too – ‘A shorter woman with dirty blond hair.’ The contempt for her is audible. And to call her a ‘woman’ is infuriating.

Naomi Campbell’s birthday: this is the child (Virginia Roberts) that Visoski had the nerve to call ‘a woman’. Maxwell can be seen in the background, and Epstein is off-camera.

The cross-examination by the Maxwell defense was conducted by Chris R. Everdell. He asked: ‘Did you walk through the cabin of the plane?’ Visoski answered: ‘Yes, in the Gulf Stream, to use the restroom.’ That answer is important, because that does NOT apply to the larger Boeing plane that came to be called the ‘Lolita Express’ and THAT’s where the orgies allegedly took place.

So, Everdell asks: ‘If Epstein was involved in sex acts with underage girls, he probably would have told you not to leave the cockpit, right?’ – he pretends not to know the confusion he is intentionally causing between planes and trips. Visoski replies: ‘Yes’.

The defense tries to create confusion between what happened in the Gulf Stream jet (pictured), and the Lolita Express Boeing, where orgies are said to have taken place.

Epstein – or Ghislaine if she was on them – would beep him instructing him for a flight.

President Clinton flew on the plane, and he was told to clean up. He admits that there were some passengers who were never identified to him.

Everdell: ‘Did you know Epstein attended Interlochen’s summer camp as a child?’ Visoski: ‘I did not.’ Itzhak Perlman was on one flight to the arts camp where Epstein had a cabin.

Visoski also flew Jeffrey Epstein to Columbus, Ohio, to see Les Wexner, an old benefactor who was either a victim of Epstein’s criminality or a mentor to it – depending on the version you choose to believe.

Now, we come to a point where Larry’s loyalty to Epstein crosses the line and, to me, begins to look and sound a lot like complicity. Talking about victim Jane, Everdell asks:  ‘Beyond the striking blue eyes, you have said she had large breasts, right?’ Visoski: ‘She was a mature woman.’

What? Now, let us pause here and explain that, by now, the jury had seen the flight logs and also Jane’s birth certificate, so they know that she was 14, or at best 15, on this flight. For ‘Captain Big Dawg’ to say she was ‘mature’ borders on the criminal – especially as he had daughters at that same age. (We will come back to that).

Trying to be loyal to Epstein, Larry Visoski called 14 and 15-year-old children ‘women’.

Visoski identifies Prince Andrew as having flown in the Gulf Stream, as well as Donald Trump, astronaut John Glenn, former Governor George Mitchell, and actor and alleged sex offender Kevin Spacey.

While in New York, Visoski stayed in an Epstein’s apartment at, 301 East 66 street – where Sarah Kellen also stayed.

Epstein gave Visoski 40 acres of land in New Mexico, for him to build a home. he also paid for his two daughters’ tuition in college.

But then Everdell took what I feel to be a misstep, when he asked: ‘Epstein cared about your daughters when they were in college, right?’ To which Visoski replied: ‘And even when they were younger’. This piece of information will be very important later, in redirect.

‘Captain Big Dawg’ confirmed that Epstein had back problems and needed massages, and that he used the 10.000 Waves Studio when he was in Santa Fe.

Visoski also confirmed to Everdell that when he met Epstein, his girlfriend was Eva-Anderson Dubin, and ‘Maxwell just worked with him’.

Oh, really? But what about his earlier testimony to prosecution? The one where he said that ‘Maxwell and Epstein had a relation that was more personal than business, but not romantic, more like ‘couple-ish.’

Visoski: “Maxwell and Epstein had a relation that was more personal than business, but not romantic, more like couple-ish.”

You see why many (such as myself) have such limited trust in his testimony. While I am not sure he perjured himself, he did distort things to fit the defense narrative.

In the 2000s, according to Visoski, Jeffrey Epstein’s relationship with Maxwell ‘fizzled out’ and Sarah Kellen was left in charge. He also testified that Maxwell was in a relationship with Ted Waitt, CEO of Gateway computers.

Visoski also said people liked to hike through the New Mexico ‘Zorro Ranch’, and since there were snakes there, boots would be needed. (Victim Jane’s boots being prepped by defense for later usage.)

Visoski said Maxwell always seemed, to him, to be a nice person, and that he let his young daughters take horse rides with Ghislaine.

Everdell: ‘You saw nothing, in 30 years, that made you think that Epstein was an abuser, right?’

Visoski, or shall we say ‘Captain Big Dawg’: ‘I did not’.

On redirect, Maureen Comey was surgical. Remember when Visoski said that Epstein took an interest in his daughters, when they were ‘even younger than college’?

AUSA Maureen Comey: ‘Did you let your 14-year old daughter massage Mr. Epstein?’ Visoski – ‘I did not’.

Loyalty, apparently, has its limits.

In the next chapter, the testimony of the first anonymous victim/accuser, who is being called Jane.




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    • You couldn’t hurt me if you tried. Much more powerful people than tired old hacks like you have tried, have failed. Come on, show us all all your devotion to my work, create multiple posting names to heckle. It’s not like you have a life, anyway.

  • Apparently, Paul Serran didn’t get the memo from Keith: stop using the words “data” and “hate” or people on the Frank Report will make fun of you.

    • That you live your life around Keth’s mental universe says all about you. I know who you are. It’s nice to know you are creating multiple posting names to show your devotion to my work. Come on, show us more!

      • Damn it! Pauw contacted Q who revealed my identity immediately. There goes my anonymity. Gosh, I hope I don’t get doxed by this Master Journalist! Or maybe it was JFK Jr. who told him? Or LRH?

        What is the date The Storm starts, Pauw? Can I get some advance notice so I can let me family know when I’ll be whisked off to jail along with all the other Adrenochrome addicts? Or will they just fence off lower Manhattan and put us all on house, er… apartment arrest?


        • It’s nice how you laugh at your own jokes, since no one else is. Keep coming to my article, why would you have a life of your own? Thanks for the attention. Let’s go Brandon!

  • Paul, did the Storm happen yet? Did you guys have some kind of betting pool on who ate the most kids? Why didn’t Trump stop it yet, wtf man, kids are being eaten!!!!? These are serious questions because you know, it’s all so totally happening.

    You have spread laughable stories about the Clintons heading a pedophile child-eating cabal that will be exposed by Donald Trump. So for sure, your stories about a case where their names are mentioned make you so totally believable.

    BTW – thanks for leaving Dealey Plaza to report on the Maxwell case. Don’t worry dude, I’m sure you’ll be able to see JFK Jr and his dad appear at another Rolling Stones concert soon. And when The Storm happens, I will so feel really bad about laughing at you and I promise I will apologize.

    • Paul, you’re an amazing writer.

      There’s a group of – what do I call them – trolls on here that offer nothing but criticism. I am not sure of their agenda, but they add little and have run amok.

      But yes, they have an agenda. I’m just not sure what it is.

        • Suggestion: Don’t take their bait. Just ignore them. You’re an author, a reporter, a really good writer. The fact that they attack you makes them in all likelihood cultists. So screw them and rise above. Otherwise you’ll be caught in a vicious cycle of defending yourself over nothing, and coming out swinging and just giving them more strength..

          • Thanks so much. It means a lot. Don’t worry, I won’t waste too much time on it. I’m used to dozens of shills, trolls and bots at once. It has no real effort.

      • FMN, AKA Alanzo, your closest grocery store is running a sale on Ring Dings today, so don’t forget to stock up.

        I knew you as a brown-noser, but not as a Q-Anon Qultist. Just goes to show that sometimes you learn something on this website.

    • Ice-Nine,

      Have you read this article? I’m no conspiracy buff. It’s not my game. I like solid irrefutable evidence.

      In the past, I have not agreed with Paul on a myriad of subjects.

      BUT this article is well-written and factual. It’s an excellent commentary. Paul is an excellent writer. I get where you’re common from, however, I think you’re being way too harsh.

      Coming from me, of all people — that should mean something. 😉

      You and I see eye-to-eye on most subjects.

  • Sony Playstation Executive Fired After Allegedly Soliciting Sex From 15-Year-Old Boy

    YouTube predator hunter filmed as the man was said to be expecting an underage boy at his door

    Sony’s senior vice president of engineering, who worked on the PlayStation Store, was recently fired after supposedly soliciting multiple underage boys for sex.

    A YouTube channel called People v. Preds uploaded footage where they confronted the former Sony employee, George Cacioppo, at his home when he was allegedly expecting an underage male to arrive.

    The 64-year-old executive was wearing a PS5 t-shirt when he scurried back into his home and shut the door on the cameraman at 4:30 am.

    “We can have a conversation or I can call the cops,” the cameraman told Cacioppo while he shut the door.

    The YouTuber then shouted at the top of his lungs so the Sony exec’s neighbors could hear, “Excuse me, everybody! This guy invited a 15-year-old boy to have sex with him tonight.”

    Showing Cacioppo’s intentions were sexual, the YouTube channel provided links to messages said to have been written by the fired Playstation employee who was chatting with a fake profile set up to lure predators.

    • —64-year-old executive was wearing a PS5 t-shirt when he scurried back into his home and shut the door

      Aren’t you 64 Shadowstate1958? Funny, I don’t recall what line of work you are in.

      How do we even know you live in Chicago?

  • Paul- I found your analysis riveting and on point.

    Thank you!

    Side note: The pilot is just as culpable as Maxwell. He is a scum.

  • Must admit that I’m really enjoying your intriguing Epstein/Maxwell coverage here, Paul. Sorry I questioned your motives, your possible Brazilian connection to the QANON crazies that showed up here on FR a time or two over the years. Please keep up the good work. The truth will out…eventually. Also, why DIDN’T you ever call me out on whether or not you ARE a Q ANONER? Or mebbe just a Q mouthpiece wannabe? Lol.

    • For a second, I thought you were capable of kindness and fairness towards my work, But you are not. Every comment of yours is just another failed attempt to provoke me.

        • Yes, I can throw you the occasional bone because you are a dedicated reader of mine, even though you hate me and despise me.

          • Oh, c’mon, I don’t hate you. I don’t know you and I do admire some of your writing. But if you are linked to the ex-Pat, Brazilian pig farmer types – namely the Watkins – tearing my country apart through malicious disinformation campaigns while claiming to be a White House official under the Trump Admin. …Fuck Q!

            And I’m looking specifically for the assholes who are STILL spreading some hogwash about how I’ve most recently joined a senior volleyball game for MAGA target practice of some sort and/or as part of NXIVM’s volleyball hypnosis practices on top of my MK10 CIA childhood, pedophile induction. …You start that one?

          • You talk about pigs a lot – have you thought about why? I know why. You also are a bigot that feel superior to Brazilians. Go dreaming. You need this platform as a troll, here. I respect that, but I don’t respect your intellect or information level to discuss real issues with you. I spent dozens of hours of my life collaborating in projects with the objective to get some justice for your family – all I got from you is contempt and anti-South American racism. Look at yourself in the mirror and cut out the pig jokes.

  • I haven’t been following this case very closely, but I hope the prosecution has more on Maxwell than this turgid article exposes.

    “ President Clinton flew on the plane, and he was told to clean up.”

    What does that even mean? Bill Clinton needed to take a bath before they’d let him on the plane? Did Larry the Pilot order the ex-president to vacuum the carpet? Did Larry have to scrub cum stains off the upholstery?

    What am I reading here?

    Did Larry let his 14 year old daughter massage Epstein? No. So… where’s the crime?

    Seems to me a lot of dots need connecting.

    • I thought you have little interest in the case. Apparently, you need to be scrutinizing every article whether you care or not. Dots need connecting, yes – it’s part 2 out of many, many parts. The trial is only beginning. Thanks for your turgid comment.

  • No one’s talking about what foreign government was funding Epstein. It’s pretty obvious. You think Epstein actually had any real business interests or did anything else other than run a honeypot operation?

    • “No one’s talking about what foreign government was funding Epstein.” Anonymous

      I will mention a name.
      A few weeks before Jizzlane’s father, Robert Maxwell mysteriously died, American journalist Seymour Hersch claimed that her father was a spy for the Israeli Mossad.
      Maxwell sued Hersh before he mysteriously fell off his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine, and died.

      A year later Maxwell’s lawyers admitted that Maxwell did indeed work for the Mossad.

      About that same time Jizzlane started working for Epstein in New York.

      “Mossad allegations; Vanunu case
      The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and “a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia”. He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[48] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell’s funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be told.”[49]

      ” journalist Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker repeated some of the allegations during a press conference in London held to publicise The Samson Option, Hersh’s book about Israel’s nuclear weapons.[51]”

      On 4 November 1991, Maxwell had an argumentative phone call with his son Kevin over a meeting scheduled with the Bank of England on Maxwell’s default on £50,000,000 in loans. Maxwell missed the meeting, instead travelling to his yacht, the Lady Ghislaine, in the Canary Islands, Spain.[9]

      On 5 November, Maxwell was last in contact with the crew of Lady Ghislaine at 4:25 a.m. local time, but was found to be missing later in the morning.[52] It has been speculated that Maxwell was urinating into the ocean nude at the time, as he often did.[9] He was presumed to have fallen overboard from the vessel, which was cruising off the Canary Islands, southwest Spain.[52][54] Maxwell’s naked body was recovered from the Atlantic Ocean and taken to Las Palmas.[50] Besides a “graze to his left shoulder”, there were no noticeable wounds on Maxwell’s body.[9] The official ruling at an inquest held in December 1991 was death by a heart attack combined with accidental drowning,[55] although three pathologists had been unable to agree on the cause of his death at the inquest;[50] he had been found to have been suffering from serious heart and lung conditions

      Maxwell was afforded a lavish funeral in Israel, attended by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, Israeli President Chaim Herzog, at least six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence[57] and many dignitaries and politicians (both government and opposition), and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem

  • Great article. Larry had his deposition taken in multiple civil cases against Epstein and in those he showed the same loyalty towards Epstein.

    On the matter of Jane’s age:
    “ Now, we come to a point where Larry’s loyalty to Epstein crosses the line and, to me, begins to look and sound a lot like complicity. Talking about victim Jane, Everdell asks: ‘Beyond the striking blue eyes, you have said she had large breasts, right?’ Visovski: ‘She was a mature woman.”

    Remember that Jane was abused from age 14 (1994) through 16 (1996). According to the flight logs she flew 4 times with Epstein.–public-#comment-section

    Jane flew in 4 times starting 1997 (when she was 16 or 17) and last time in 2001! When she was 21. Now, the logs aren’t 100% complete, because only the second pilot (Rodgers) registered passengers in the log, Larry didn’t.

    Epstein could have taken her to the cockpit in 2001 when she was 21 and indeed was a mature woman.

    Larry is very loyal to his dead boss and didn’t stop flying Epstein after he got out of jail for “soliciting a minor for prostitution” in 2009. He continued even after the scale of Epsteins abuse must have became more clear to him in the civil cases he was deposed. As the media reported more and more about Epstein’s abuse he remained his pilot. Until a glorious day in the summer of 2019 when Epstein was arrested at Teterboro airport. That was his final flight with Epstein.

    • The flight logs 1995-2015 offer an almost complete list of Epstein’s travels. It is a goldmine for the prosecution and I would be surprised if these aren’t used in Maxwell’s trial. Note that from February 2006 onward no passenger names were being registered anymore. By this time, Epstein was indicted and it was clear this information could be explosive so he instructed the pilots (copilot Rodgers kept the logs) to not name the passengers.

      Correction/expansion on my previous post:

      Jane flew with Epstein first 11-11-1996 from Palm Beach to Teterboro New York. Jane was born 2nd August 1980, so she had just turned 16. 9 people on this flight among those Eva Dubin (Epstein’s former girlfriend who had married Glenn Dubin) and her daughter Celina. Epstein was the godfather of Celina and it was Celina that was the child on the photo in his Palm Beach house that was mentioned at the trial last week. Also on the flight: Sophie (Biddle). She is the woman Jane mentioned during her testimony that took part in the abuse. Maxwell is not on this flight: she is already in New York because she is a passenger for the next flight departing New York.

      Second flight: 9th May 1997 from Teterboro (New York) to Santa Fe (This is the airport used to visit his Zorro Ranch in New Mexico: the Gulfstream jet can’t land at the airstrip at Zorro Ranch). Jane is 16 years old. Only Epstein, Maxwell and Jane on this flight! He picks up Sophie Biddle 3 days later and returns with her to Zorro Ranch. Jane is not mentioned on the flight out of Santa Fe (to Dallas) so she probably flew home commercially.

      Third flight: 3rd May 1998 from Palm Beach to Teterboro. Jane is 17 years old. 10 passengers on this flight. Maxwell, Epstein, Eva Dubin with three children, one nanny, Gwendolyn Beck, Emily Taylor (Maxwell’s personal assistant who was also mentioned by Jane in her testimony as a woman who took part in her abuse).

      Fourth and last flight: 31st March 2001 from Santa Fe to Palm Beach. Jane is 20 years old. 7 passengers on this flight. Maxwell, Epstein, Adam PerryLang (chef, friend of Jimmy Kimmel), Banu Koluk Kolyu (a model, she is named in some depositions), Marvin Minsky (scientist known for his work on artificial intelligence) and Henri Jarecki (psychiatrist and entrepreneur).

      The flight logs are truly a treasure trove of information on where Epstein flew and with whom. They are in an excel format and it is very easy to search on dates, names, etc. using the “filter” in the top bar. Highly recommended.

      • Thanks for your kindness towards my work, a quality that is sorely missing here in the comment sector where every poster regards himself/herself as a mix of Shakespeare and Einstein.

          • It’s about the link to the flight log:


            It’s a blueprint of a significant part of Epstein’s life.

            You should appreciate some indisputable facts being presented because you did the same presenting Moira Penza’s interview with Sarah Edmonson.

          • Alonzo-

            When you actually address AnonyMaker’s counterpoints, then we can talk comment on moderation.

            All you do is post your ethical critique of all of us…And you have no facts or data to back it up.

            In other words, GET EMPIRICAL or shut the f*ck up. Have a DingDong®️ and consider it.

            Moderated? If things were moderated, you’d be kicked off this website like all the others you were booted from.

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