Moira Kim Penza appeared on the podcast A Little Bit Culty.
This is the podcast hosted by the husband and wife team, Sarah Edmondson and Anthony ‘Nippy’ Ames. Both are well-known NXIVM escapees. Edmondson was the woman who first told Frank Report and then the New York Times about her being branded.
Ames is the angry husband who stormed into a NXIVM gathering and, in not so pleasant language, threatened to create havoc for them when he found out that his wife was in a secret sorority headed by a man and that she had been branded with K-R which stood for that man’s initials, which readers know to be Keith Raniere.
One thing led to another and enter Moira Kim Penza. She was an assistant US attorney working for the Department of Justice in the Eastern District of New York. She led the criminal prosecution of Raniere, a successful outcome for her as the man was convicted on all counts and sentenced to 120 years in prison.
Penza rose to fame for this and got a higher paying job with a private law firm, Wilkinson Stekloff, shortly after the trial was over.
Ames and Edmondson rose to fame by appearing on HBO’s docuseries The Vow. Edmondson wrote the book Scarred about her experience and now both husband and wife host a podcast on which the Penza appeared is episode #6 of season #2.
Here is how the episode is described:
Episode Six – Groundbreaker: Moira Penza on Prosecuting NXIVM
A Little Bit Culty –
If you watched “The Vow” or have followed the fall of NXIVM, you know Moira Kim Penza as the prosecutor who brought Keith Raniere to justice. Her accomplishments are mighty: Like Keith’s conviction on all counts including racketeering and sex trafficking and a brisk 120 year sentence. Moira’s groundbreaking approach to the case has been credited with paving the way for other sex trafficking prosecutions against powerful individuals. In other words: She’s a total badass. In this episode, Moira sits down with Sarah and Nippy to talk about what it’s like to take on a world-class dirtbag (our wording, not hers) and what really chaps her ass about NXIVM’s Voldemort.
More about today’s guest: Moira is now in private practice as a litigator, and a partner at Wilkinson Stekloff. Crain’s New York business named her in the 40 under 40 list, she’s been ranked as one of Bloomberg Law’s 40 under 40, and her legal analysis has been featured in The NY Times, CNN, ABC, NPR and Daily Beast.
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In her interview, Penza describes how she sent out subpoenas and met with witnesses to do a pretty fast and furious investigation. From the time the New York Times story came out – where she apparently first got wind of NXIVM and the Vanguard in October 2017 – to the time of Raniere’s arrest in March was a mere six months.
They pushed it, Penza said, because they feared there was ongoing criminality.
“We had every reason to believe that there were still women in danger and that there would still be criminal activity if Keith Raniere was not stopped,” Penza said.
What was the big criminal mistake Raniere made – what got her on to the case?
Penza said it was the “allegations about collateral… coercion when you hear that, that enables criminal activity… The ability to have that coercive control —…. once you have that source of power, you have an amazing ability to victimize people and commit certain kinds of crimes.”
It was collateral then that sparked the investigation and ultimately his arrest and conviction. Smart idea from the world’s smartest man.
The other shocking thing – aside from the crazy idea of branding – was, according to Penza, “the allegation that Keith Raniere was behind this so-called women’s empowerment group…. this fundamental fraud that you had this man in the background, was this puppet master… There could be a sexual component to this….”
It did not take her long to find out it was true.
“I met with people who had been assaulted by Keith Raniere as part of DOS,” Penza said.
From there, she put the pieces together to level the charges. But it was collateral that was the legal foothold that led to the rascal’s demise.
In his bio, Raniere was quick to point out that he was one of the top three problem solvers in the world, with a problem-solving rarity of one in 425 million. He was named in the Guinness Book of Records for having tied with two others for the highest IQ on an IQ test offered by the obscure Mega Society, a blunder by Guinness that seems to have provoked them to retire the category ‘Highest IQ’ immediately after naming Raniere in 1989.
He was also quick to laud his success for his signal invention, Rational Inquiry, which was taught by Executive Success Programs as part of his NXIVM. This triumph and much more he can dwell upon as he serves his remaining 99 years in USP Tucson thanks in large part to Penza, Ames and Edmondson. And that he took collateral on more than 100 women who were his slaves, some of whom did not even know it, until Frank Report revealed it in June 2017.
Viva Executive Success!
To listen to Penza’s informative interview click here.
[…] my Federal Prosecutrix, Moira Kim Penza (the same as Keith Raniere), was later laughed out of court by the late Judge Jack […]
Two notes for people if you didn’t listen to the whole podcast.
1. Reference to a male green sash who is out but has not publicly disclosed this information, but was out once he found out about the Camila texts.
2. Story about Sarah talking recently to a loyalist who made a big to-do about due process and “investigating both sides”.
I love it when you end with “Viva Executive Success.”
“There is another reaction that the evil frequently engender in us: confusion. Describing an encounter with an evil person, one woman wrote, it was “as if I’d suddenly lost my ability to think.” Once again, this reaction is quite appropriate. Lies confuse. The evil are “people of the lie” deceiving others as they also build layer upon layer of self-deception. ” (M Scott Peck – The People of the Lie). Losing their ability to think seems to be the ‘common point’ of KR’s ‘disciples’: women (and men) who are otherwise intelligent and capable suddenly lose the capacity for critical thinking and engage in exhausting mental gymnastics to ‘justify’ the unjustifiable. Leah M, NC, DR are cases in point.
This is my favorite explanation in recent memory. It’s kind without denying reality.
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Times Union
Upstate congresswoman quotes top Raniere loyalist to make point about Rittenhouse case
Robert Gavin
Nov. 22, 2021, Updated: Nov. 22, 2021 11:13 a.m.
ALBANY – U.S. Rep. Claudia Tenney found an unexpected way to make a point about the American justice system following the Kyle Rittenhouse acquittal – by quoting a top loyalist for imprisoned NXIVM leader and sex trafficker Keith Raniere.
Tenney, whose congressional district is based in central New York and whose last election was decided in court, quoted a tweet of actress Nicki Clyne, a first-line “master” in Raniere’s secret “master/slave” clan, Dominus Obsequious Sororum (DOS) in which women were starved, sleep-deprived, forced to wear collars and branded on their pelvic areas with Raniere’s initials.
“While the Rittenhouse verdict is a win for justice, we must remember that most are not fortunate enough to have a judge and jury who care for constitutional rights,” tweeted Clyne, who led Raniere loyalists that danced outside a Brooklyn federal jailhouse in the summer of 2020 to show support for Raniere, who was housed there.
“Many are wasting away in prison, forgotten by society,” added Clyne, who once played a character on the newer version of the television show “Battlestar Galactica.” “The fight is far from over.”
Tenney, a Republican from New Hartford outside Utica, quoted Clyne’s tweet and tweeted: “As a lawyer for over 30 years, I have learned that there is little justice in the justice system for these reasons.”
Rittenhouse, now 18, was acquitted of all criminal charges in the deadly shootings of Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber and wounding of Gaige Grosskreutz Kenosha, Wis. on Aug. 25, 2020, following protests after the police shooting of Jacob Blake.
The congresswoman’s quote of Clyne’s tweet drew quick reactions on Twitter from victims of Raniere.
“Are you suggesting that the prosecution of Keith Raniere wasn’t justice, @claudiatenney?” asked Chet Hardin, who, as a reporter for Metroland in Albany, exposed elements of NXIVM and earned the wrath of Raniere.
Hardin co-authored with Toni Natalie “The Program: Inside the Mind of Keith Raniere and the Rise and Fall of NXIVM.” Natalie, a former girlfriend prior to NXIVM, was subjected to the NXIVM leader’s relentless litigation after becoming a whistleblower.
Responding to Tenney’s tweet, Natalie wrote: “Disgusting, just disgusting.”
Raniere, 61, known by followers as “Vanguard,” co-founded the Colonie-based NXIVM, a purported personal growth company now widely viewed as a cult. A federal jury in Brooklyn convicted Raniere in 2019 of all charges, including sex trafficking, forced labor conspiracy and racketeering counts with underlying acts of possessing child pornography, extortion and identity theft. He is serving a 120-year sentence in an Arizona prison.
Raniere regularly punished his disciples for “ethical breaches.” He ordered one woman confined to a room for nearly two years because she dared to kiss another man. Raniere also used the legal system to file lawsuits against his perceived enemies. Still, Clyne and some other loyalists have cast Raniere as a victim of an unfair justice system.
Earlier this fall, Clyne tweeted that while she was not a supporter of Ghislaine Maxwell, the woman accused of grooming underage girls for sex with sexual predator Jeffrey Epstein, she believed that Maxwell “deserves her due process rights” and opposed witnesses in the case being called victims “before any crime has been proven.”
Tenney’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Upstate-congresswoman-quotes-top-NXIVM-loyalist-16640932.php
Moira Penza is so cool. I’d pick her as a friend any day of the week. Thoughtful, classy and kind? I think she’s pretty awesome!
Happy Thanksgiving to all on the Frank Report from the UK!
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
And Happy Thanksgiving to all anti-cultists!
God bless the UK! Godless America!
And f*ck Alanzo!
Aussie sex cult leader now faces 58 charges.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-25/alleged-sex-cult-leader-james-robert-davis-new-charges/100649252
Pyriel,
Great find!
I’m experiencing déjà vu. After following the link you shared. I wonder why…
“Charges related to alleged slavery and sexual servitude, accused of manipulating a woman…”
“Child pornography.”
“A sex “cult” leader has been hit with 18 new charges…”
It all seems so strangely familiar.
Better than BBQ, especially when a sadistic rapist is the target.
Penza never uttered the word “cult” once on this podcast, but she said “criminal organization/enterprise/activity/scheme” more times than I could count.
Think about that.
Why was Raniere found guilty? It couldn’t be because he broke the law, could it?
I realize they only had so much time per topic but I’d have gone deeper with Moira (conversationally deeper you fucking perverts!) on NDNY:
1. The explanation/excuse that the NDNY did not have the same resources and experience as the EDNY – couldn’t they have just asked for help?
2. That NXIVM was just a group of weirdos so they were left alone – well that is clearly not true now. They have everything they need, yet they still do nothing.
3. During Moira’s investigation did she ask for the NDNY’s help, and did they cooperate?
4. Does Moira think that an internal investigation should be done into the NDNY? (I think she is hinting that there should be)
5. Nicki Clyne’s marriage was immigration fraud. Allison testified to that. Yet Nicki is still recruiting and is improperly communicating with keith. Nicki is a menace to society. Why the fuck is she still in this country?
Sarah asks her directly about payoffs. When Moira says she “…does not know (if it happened or not)”, but then gives examples of testimony and believes “that more things are possible…” that is basically her saying “fuck yes it did” to the NDNY.
Claviger if you had 15 minutes with Moira (again for questions only you fucking pervert!) what do you think of these and what would you prioritize with her? You said you have proof of corruption right?
Read find ice-nine
Good job finding the podcast.
I thought you were being melodramatic however….
….It’s a riveting Podcast! . You’re right! I like Moria. We should start a fan club. 😉
The first question I would ask Moira is: Why didn’t the EDNY follow up on the charges that were dropped because of jurisdictional issues – and bring those charges in the NDNY rather than rely on the NDNY to do so?
The second question I would ask Moira is: Why didn’t the EDNY bring charges regarding all the other crimes that occurred in the NDNY – and had to be prosecuted there – rather than rely on the NDNY to do so?
Although it’s not done very often, any AUSA has the right to prosecute a case in any U.S. District Court. Given the fact that the NDNY had done nothing about NXIVM for almost 20 years, this would seem to be an ideal time for the EDNY to invoke that right – especially since the Office of the U.S. Attorney for the NDNY was complicit in that situation.
Other than those two questions, I things the ones you raised would also be great questions to ask of her – and her successor. The only thing I would change is to ask those same questions about the State Police in the NDNY, the FBI Office in Albany, and, of course, the Albany County District Attorney – all of which were also complicit in the non-investigation and non-prosecution of NXIVM.
K.R. Claviger,
Jussie Smollett trial starts tomorrow.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/583312-actor-jussie-smolletts-trial-for-allegedly-staging-hate-crime
Everyone knows that Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial starts tomorrow.
Sorry to get all ShadowState1958. 😉
Jussie’s Hoax!
Just look in Penza’s eyes. She’s a feminist harpy who has a single mission in life: to destroy men who dare to be men.
WTF are you talking about, men who dare to me men, like male rapists and pedophiles?
You have a perverse definition of manhood.
….I gather you know nothing of self-sacrifice, responsibility, honor.
Otherwise by default you’d know the definition of what a man is.
No wonder you are such a coward. Receive any emails from OSA today?
Interesting. When I look into Penza’s eyes, what I see is: “When I smash the patriarchy, I do it in stilettos.” Frankly, I have no complaints.
Ex chose an appropriate name.
Likely because being a troll online like in real life eventually leaves him with a lot of ex(s).
Don’t be so sure Ex is a man.
I really enjoy seeing how the NXIVM discards and their come-lately hanger’s on are so frustrated by the impotence of all their internet postings.
Keith is never getting out of jail until he is a corpse. Have the Bronfman’s bought him a graveyard mausoleum and a casket yet?
And whatever happened to Suneel and his investigations? Has FBI agent Frank Booth been indicted for anyting yet?
What about all that slam-dunk evidence of metadata tampering?
Where is our painting of Moira Penza?
I’m voting for for an oil portrait like Daniella’s.
I know it’s unprofessional but good heavens is she beautiful.
Also, I just gotta say after going through hours of transcribing Sarah and Nippy’s podcast episode: They are the cutest Anticultists on the planet.
Can there be anyone cuter?
No one!
Alanzo
Aren’t you the cutest little NIXVM hanger-on on the planet!?
You are the internet cult version of a bum picking up cigarette butts off the street to get enough tobacco for a hand-roll.
Forget what everyone else says, I think you are a national comic treasure.
Alanzo! I hear you got kicked out of every ex Scientology group. Heads up! You’re not welcome here either because you’re clearly off your rocker.
Alanzo-
You call the Edmondsons cult haters. Why?
I’ll agree with you on one note. The Edmondsons are rewriting history in a self-serving and disingenuous way.
But how are they cult haters?
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Will you ever engage in meaningful discourse regarding my thesis? The thesis being that all cults share the same multitiered structure of indoctrination. In other words all cults have “boot camp” like structure.
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Can you at the very least address my list and make counter points?
Here the thesis list:
https://frankreport.com/2021/11/21/nxivm-news-clare-bronfman-wants-civil-lawsuit-divided-by-sex-and-consumer-fraud-esther-carlson-with-mlm-selling-insurance-and-mexican-federal-agency-investigating-nxivm-money-laundering/#comment-180349
—Can there be anyone cuter?
Boohoo! Alonzo looks like Ted Kaczynski!
So, let’s pick on the good looking couple and ridicule them.
“Boohoo, my name is Alonzo and I have less friends than the Unabomber…”
What makes someone an anticultist?
Just published a transcript of this interview. It’s not perfect, too many hours for that. But there are a lot of good tasty nuggets and quotable quotes in there. Also, lots of attitudes expressed by one of the zealous prosecutors of a government trial that put away a person with no record of violence, and no criminal record of any kind – for 120 years.
https://alanzosblog.com/transcript-ex-federal-prosecutor-moira-penzas-interview-on-a-little-bit-culty-podcast/
Alanzo
Alanzo,
The jury and the judge put Raniere away for 120 years-the jury found him guilty and the judge sentenced him-not the prosecutor.
But she did do an amazing job with a complex case! And this podcast was great!
I strongly disagree with you that Raniere had no history of violence. I guess you do not consider raping 12 year-olds (you can find the police report from the 1990s online) and sexual assault violence.
Also, the only reason he had no criminal record was because Clare bribed law enforcement for so many years to look the other way and to prosecute their victims.
Bernie Madoff also had no criminal record and was sentenced to more time than Raniere. And, he really had no history of violence. A crime does not have to be violent to severely harm victims.
He had no prior criminal record? That’s all you got?
You finally found new material for a blog post! Congrats! That’s marketing GENIUS right there!
Transcription! Have you thought about being a stenographer?
It is galling that a young, female prosecutor could put your branding rape idol, Keith, away for life, isn’t it?
Thanks, good job!
Good to see a logical, objective voice of reason on this hate site.
Ex, if this is a hate site, why do you keep coming back and reading it? You sure post a lot here.
It’s Kristin Keefe, not Kristin Keith.
Alonzo, doesn’t it seem like the courts only need so-called victims to pay their bills? Anyone can accuse a man of a crime like abuse and have him arrested. It’s a dark way of manipulating the system to get what one wants.
Alonzo, why did you type all this out???? (Insert Twilight Zone tune)
Alanzo, what kind of bullshit false logic is this? Are you denying all of the victims and everything they testified to in court? Keith Raniere is a con artist and has been one for decades now. Moira proved it with a mountain of evidence. What’s your goal here? Other than looking like a complete fucktard? Once again, your little boner for Nicki, etc. is showing. Put it back in your pants. It’s gross.
For anyone that doesn’t want to give Alanzo page views, here’s where you can download a pdf of the transcription. Feel free to share.
https://filedropper.com/d/s/ptEtehwFuISjMLHo6CwBMAcXQltFlM.
I would never click on any link these guys put here. They are hackers, and they are evil.
Do not click on this link.
Alanzo
I clicked on the link and it is legit.
Don’t listen to Alainzio and don’t give his blog any traffic.
Use this link to read the transcript.
Alanzo, you say Penza is overzealous.
WTF are you, Aloonzo?
Penza was doing her job as a Federal prosecutor.
Alanzo what’s your job?
I only recently saw Nutjob say he is a former NXIVM adherent.
I’d like to hear more about that.
Have you told the feds everything you know? Are there any crimes that haven’t been prosecuted you could shed some light on?
Your sometimes buddy and resident troll laureate of the Frank Report goes after Mike Rinder tooth and nail on such topics but leaves you completely alone about your lack of full disclosure. Not sure what that means about your relationship with each other.
Please tell us more. How did you get sucked in? How did you pull yourself out?
Check out the Anonymous Troll “Curious” who equates Nutjob, a former student of NXIVM, with Mike Rinder, who ran all fair game for David Miscavige for 22 years, who pretends to have left Scientology in 2007, who has never revealed even one criminal act, and who is actively covering up criminal activity by Scientology to this day.
Just amazing what idiots these guys are.
You’ve never asked these same questions to Mike Rinder, have you “Curious”?
Alanzo
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Alanzo,
We all know that the only reason you criticize Rinder is because you know he is the real deal and your boss Miscavige demands it of you!
I am sure someone as authentic as Mike Rinder is very threatening to you and Miscavige.
Rinder and Leah have done an amazing job of educating the public about the dangers of Scientology-your cult’s numbers are decreasing daily because of them!
I can see why he makes you both very angry!
I bet you hate Tony Ortega, too!
Sherizzy –
You baffle me. I thought you’d been around long enough to know what Mike Rinder did as CO OSA? Do I have you mixed up with someone else?
This is from Mike Rinder’s sworn affidavit.
His own words.
Under oath:
https://alanzosblog.com/how-rinder-reported-to-miscavige-on-all-scientology-fair-game/
He did all this, and he can’t even cough up 1 crime committed by Miscavige or any officer of the Church of Scientology?
In 14 YEARS of being out?
Mike Rinder is NOT the ‘real deal’. He is as big of a liar as David Miscavige is.
Please explain your blind loyalty to Mike Rinder.
Alanzo
My, my, my!
Nutjob’s PR consultant is eager to change the subject away from whatever Nutjob knows about additional NXIVM crimes, potentially including possession and distribution of child pornography.
Why are they running so scared?
Alan so,
Mike Rinder is the real deal. He’s out there everyday bringing awareness to the evils of Scientology.
He could have taken the easier path and fled into obscurity like Miscavige wanted him to do. But, in the face of horrible harassment and threats from your cult, he still spoke out.
Rinder has helped thousands of people leave Scientology and other harmful cults. He has prevented thousands from joining.
Rinder is doing all he can to bring them to justice but it’s a difficult battle given Scientology’s status and power.
You do nothing but harass people on this site and others. Just like OSA.
You defend a cult leader. Just like OSA.
You insult a true hero whose actions have harmed Scientology. Just like OSA.
Rinder would never do these things because he truly understands the evils of such individuals and organizations.
Because he is the real deal.
You are clearly controlled by Miscavige. Your attempts to discredit Rinder will always fail because people can see right through your agenda.
I don’t know why you even continue with your ruse. We all know what you are really doing and who you really answer to.
Sherizzy-
A few ex-Scientologists believe the Church of Scientology used Alanzo to spy on ex-Scientologists. Alanzo was an incredibly disruptive troublemaker within the church. Things came to a head when he didn’t receive a promotion. The popular theory is that the Church gave Alanzo a special assignment to get him out and then cut him off financially. Alanzo can’t tell the truth and, thus, lies.
The data and the timelines add up perfectly. The hypothesis proves correct.
Even today, Alanzo still preaches from the Scientology teachings. This is why he loves NXIVM. NXIVM is based on Scientology.
The Church sees Alanzo as a non-entity and a suppressive. Alanzo metaphorically was a custodian. The end.
Anonymous at 5:26pm
Thank you for the info. It makes a lot of sense.
Alanzo never wanted to leave Scientology; hence, his nonsensical anti anti-cult theory, which is really the same thing as pro-cult.
What a loser!
Scientology harasses the hell out of people who leave. But, they couldn’t get rid of Alanzo fast enough!
It amazes me that he doesn’t realize how transparent he is. He keeps trying to turn a NXIVM site into a Scientology site because he’s been kicked off of all of those and clearly still wants to promote his cult.
How disgusting that he insults Rinder when he spied on ex-Scientologists.
I wish he never came to FR. He’s ruined this site for many of us.
Of what psychologists who study people with narcissistic personality disorder call “deflection.”
Answering a hard question with a question is a classic ego defense mechanism. It always tells you the question asked is revealing a pathology that embarrasses the narcissist.
Clearly evidence of someone who has studied L Ron Hubbard closely and taken his dictum to heart: “Attack, never defend.”
You can take the troll out of the cult, but you can’t take the cult out of the troll.
Looks like Nutjob is afraid to answer and has sent out his spokestroll to handle the PR.
Don’t hate on NutJob! He’s my property! Run along and hide your schlong, where Alanzo hides his head. It’s a great place to find a old fashioned “rusty trombone”.
Not even three hours after I posted my questions for Nutjob, the Frank Report’s resident troll laureate appeared trying to distract attention and change the topic.
Now I’m even more curious.
Why are Nutjob and and his troll frenemy acting like people with something to hide?
Is the heat of federal prosecutor scrutiny about Suneel and other’s illegal possession of child pornography and blackmail material getting too close for comfort?
ALOONzo,
I find it rather curious why you are going by the alias “Curious” rather than ask NutJob these questions directly.
Why?
The two fellows in question are both former-cult members who just can’t scratch the itch that got them hooked on their respective gurus. Like brothers, they squabble with each other, but they both wish they had the charismatic power of Raniere to have women branded with their initials. So they sit at home in front of their keyboards spanking it out to YouPorn and photos of the DOS hags.
More often that not, once a cultie, always a cultie.
Who do you all suppose called Sarah Edmondson pretending to be defecting from DOS? My guess is Danielle Roberts. How desperate is that!! Then again, KR did turn to FR for help. 😉
Nicki Clyne has been showing up again recently here to leave her trademark pissy comments. Why aren’t you using the Pea Onyu persona any longer, girlfriend?
Her short wannabe zingers are as good as her standup. How’s that comedy career going, Nicki? Performed at any open mics lately?
How are your comments here working out for you? To paraphrase the bad-ass woman who put your Vanguard away for life, “the Frank Report is not a courtroom.”
She’s obviously pissed off she’s got to deal with a civil lawsuit while the people whose lives she tried to destroy are thriving and getting more attention than her.
Poor Nicki! 😂🤣😂
Where is she? How do you know that for sure?
I don’t think Nicky was actively destroying somebody’s life. But she was a first line DOS slave. I wander who she recruited into DOS and how she executed her role as slave master. Perhaps with more compassion than Allison? I don’t think Keith asked her for seduction assignments of her slaves.
Enjoyed the story. Your writing style is on point!
Hey DOS leftovers! This is what it means to be a true “kick-ass woman”!
That’s one helluva woman.
I love how she doesn’t give the leftovers a second thought. “Twitter’s not courtroom.” 😂
I’d have given anything to have seen her in action.
Sarah and Nippy are really milking the NXIVM thing.
Sarah wants the best of both worlds. The vanity associated with the cult while it was running strong, and now the vanity of being a whistleblower of the cult in its demise. I understand that Sarah did a good thing, but she’s really following the NXIVM principles to a tee even while turning against it.
I guess there was a certain type of people with a particular personality that NXIVM targeted and who stuck with it. That isn’t me saying a good thing.
You “guess” she did a good thing?
Of course they are going to milk it. As long as they can profit from it.
Do not confuse Sarah and Nippy continuing to share their story and fight the good fight with “milking it for fame and monetary gain”
Sarah and Nippy’s fight for Justice for ALL SURVIVORS of narcissistic abuse does not end because their abuser is in jail…The fact that Sarah & Nippy continue to discuss their experiences of NXIVM does not mean that they are seeking their 15 minutes of fame or sucking it dry of all of the attention they can get. It means that they are strong enough to continue the hard conversation about their own experiences in hopes of helping others be comfortable with facing their own.
If you took the time to listen to their podcast, you would know that the majority of their guests are not related to NXIVM but rather experts and survivors of all areas of abuse and control.
This does not make them fame whores…it makes them uniquely qualified to comment and help push change.
Also a side personal note – if you are going to shit on someone for doing something noble, sign your name to it!
Ashley Marie
I agree with you, Ashley.
Sarah and Nippy are sincere. I don’t agree with them on everything because I’ve been “out” and processing a lot longer. But I see them moving in ways where they’ll end up doing a lot of good for people.
I don’t think they’re there yet. Way too Steven Hassany and Janja Lalichey for my tastes.
But they’re processing. Processing, processing.
They’re smart. They have a good sense of humor. And they’re actors!!
(I love actors)
If they could only embrace their NXIVM selves as a true and valuable part of themselves, and get back a little o’ dat rebellion to the mainstream that got them here – they’d rock.
Alanzo
WTF Milking it? Nothing you said there makes any fucking sense (and I really mean that, it doesn’t make any sense)
Sarah and Nippy risked everything by publicly coming out. They risked financial and legal ruin. DOS blackmail being released (which happened). Clare’s wrath (which happened too). Then there’s the embarrassment of being associated with such an organization and having to reconcile that. Moira confirms it in the podcast, Sarah acted heroically. There are lots of heroes in this story. Hell, I’d even say Lauren is a hero in a way.
So no, they aren’t milking anything, they have rightly earned every accolade and dollar they are getting.
The DOS girls, on the other hand, hide like cowards. I can’t blame them though, they learned it from keith. A man (?) that has mastered hiding in bathrooms and closets at the first sign of trouble. Fortunately for Keith, his bathroom and closet are now in the very same place.
You can keep hiding in bathrooms and selling MLM insurance or wake up with the other NXIVM defectors and move towards prosperity.
>>You “guess” she did a good thing?
Can’t read, can you?
>>Do not confuse Sarah and Nippy continuing to share their story and fight the good fight with “milking it for fame and monetary gain”
I never attached the words “fame and monetary gain” to what I said. Don’t put words I didn’t say on the page.
To milk something means to gain as much personal advantage or benefit from something, whatever it may be.
>>it makes them uniquely qualified to comment and help push change.
Their “uniqueness” arises from their “unique” personal story that they can tell about a “unique” organization which they participated in and eventually abused ethics and female empowerment to form a pyramidal sextortion ring with one man at the top for which he and some of its foremost members were found guilty of crimes committed and sentenced to prison. Such “uniqueness” has nothing to do with helping to “push change”. Plenty of cult survivors have gone AWOL and shared their stories.
Rick Ross and others were pushing for change against this cult way back in 2004. There were a ton of red flags associated with it and they weren’t even that hard to find online.
>>Sarah and Nippy risked everything by publicly coming out.
That’s just plain hyperbole. They also risked their own selves by staying in such an organization after what she personally experienced in DOS and found out about what it was really for. They took a calculated risk that law enforcement either didn’t have good people who would do anything, or they did but they wouldn’t do anything. They had ethics, the law, and everything right and good on their side in order to do something.
I think Nippy deserves far more leniency in any criticism cast towards the both of them, since his anger in finding out about the brand was essentially the catalyst that started the ball rolling. He also joined many years after his wife and wasn’t making it his primary source of income for several of those prior years. Also, what loving wife goes out and gets a brand seared into her flesh near her pubic area without consulting her husband first? Is that female empowerment/independence or just plain stupidity?
Like I said, Sarah did a good thing, and I think she has some right to wallow in it, but she most definitely is milking it for what its worth. IMO, it’s just her past history with the cult does make her intentions seem a bit specious. Sorry if my perspective hurts your feelings.
>>The DOS girls, on the other hand, hide like cowards.
That the dead-end DOS girls are complete morons and far worse doesn’t deny anything I said.
Right. Unlike Nicki Clyne. Her entire existence revolves around an imprisoned child pornographer.
Nicki continues to milk Nxivm and Battlestar Galactica (a show she left for vanguard. I believe Susan Dones on that!) every day.
At least Sarah wrote a book. Has a family. Works for a living. Still acts. Has a podcast.
Nicki is really milking Suneel. 🥛💦🍆😂
I think Moira has just massively upset Alanzo. 🙄
Enough to leave for good? Please don’t tease me.
Great listen. Lots of info nuggets. The one that sticks out for me after one listen is Penza’s insight on how Pam Cafritz’s death was an important impetus for “formalizing” DOS. How the DOS rules always existed in some form before the inner circle group of women. Her “chaps my a$$” answer was just so well said.
More hate from a tribal ninny. So predictable.
Shut up, Alanzo.
You have 24 hours to comply before the Patriots open fire!
THAT’S AN ORDER!!!!!!!
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I’d like to toss my big grenade, your mom’s way…Can you so fire in the hole? That’s parlance for setting off an explosion in a “tight” space.