Attorney Neil Glazer has filed an amended complaint in the lawsuit against NXIVM and 13 of its leaders. He also pretty well damns the organization, painting a shocking picture of manipulation and abuse as bad or worse than the US Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of NY did in its criminal prosecution of Keith Raniere and his five co-defendants.
Glazer represents some 90 plaintiffs, all former NXIVM members, who allege serious crimes and civil torts against the self-help group founded by Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman. The suit is filed in US District Court for the Eastern District of NY and is before US District Court Judge Eric Ross Komitee, an appointee of Donald Trump.
The civil case has been suspended until the criminal proceedings against Keith Raniere and his five NXIVM codefendants are complete – something that draws nearer with only two defendants remaining to be sentenced.
The plaintiffs in the civil case include DOS “slave” women Sarah Edmondson, Jessica Joan, India Oxenberg, Souki, Nicole and a number of other Jane Does. It also includes former NXIVM members Mark Vicente, Anthony ‘Nippy’ Ames, Bonnie Piesse, Tabitha Chapman and Toni Natalie, plus others who have joined in the lawsuit. Many plaintiffs have sought to keep their identities anonymous, something which Judge Komitee will ultimately decide.
The defendants in the lawsuit are all named – first and last – and are the six convicted defendants, Keith Raniere, Nancy Salzman, Clare Bronfman, Allison Mack, Lauren Salzman and Kathy Russell. Also being sued are Sara Bronfman, the wealthiest of the defendants, Karen Unterreiner, Dr. Brandon Porter, Dr. Danielle Roberts, and Nicki Clyne
In addition, the lawsuit names NXIVM Corp., Executive Success Programs Inc, and First Principles, which may be owned in whole or in part by the federal government and Ethical Science Foundation, which was founded by Clare and Sara Bronfman.
The allegations are not entirely dissimilar to those for which the defendants were convicted.
They allege that the defendants in the civil suit conspired to operate, and operated “a criminal Enterprise under the ‘NXIVM’ umbrella… and participated in a ‘Venture’ to commit sex trafficking, peonage, forced labor and human trafficking.”
It is alleged that NXIVM was “a Ponzi scheme [where] Defendants exerted power over the Plaintiffs; took their money; made it financially, physically and psychologically difficult, and in some cases impossible, to leave the coercive community; and systematically abused Plaintiffs physically and emotionally.”
Here is the first part of a series that details allegations of many torts and ethical breaches of NXIVM leaders.
It is a summary of the action, and is Glazer’s view of the self-help program with only a few minor copy edits to conform with the style of Frank Report.

By Neil Glazer
- Plaintiffs’ claims arise out of their involvement with NXIVM Corporation, an organization based in Albany, New York and founded by Defendants Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman.
2. NXIVM’s principal business is the sale of personal improvement and professional development training programs through Defendant Executive Success Programs, Inc. and other entities. However, NXIVM’s insidious reach extended far beyond just ESP, and it was far more than simply a personal improvement program.
3. Drawing from methods used in pyramid schemes and multilevel marketing, NXIVM induced students to recruit and form their own downstream sales organizations within NXIVM, so that the students might work their way up in the hierarchy, known as the “Stripe Path” (after the colored striped sashes members wore to indicate rank and recruitment achievements), to a level where they could earn commissions and build careers and income for themselves.

4. Few students ever qualified for commissions, because the Defendants continually manipulated the program requirements, expanded the required curriculum, and graded most of the students as failures who needed to work harder and take more of NXIVM’s expensive courses.
Out of the more than 16,000 people who took NXIVM’s courses, fewer than 100 ever earned any income from NXIVM’s businesses, and fewer than 25 received substantial earnings within NXIVM.
Most of the earnings were received by members of a small group of high-ranking individuals collectively known within the organization as the “Inner Circle.”

5. Raniere claimed to be the conceptual creator of NXIVM’s programs, and the various related legal entities themselves. Defendants promoted NXIVM’s programs in part by representing that Raniere was the world’s smartest man, who allegedly had an IQ of 240 and was a child prodigy, speaking in complete sentences at age one, mastering college level mathematics in two days at age eleven, winning championship judo and track tournaments, and graduating college with three degrees. None of this was true.

6. Before forming ESP with Nancy Salzman, Raniere ran another pyramid scheme called Consumers Buyline Inc. (“CBI”) that was investigated by 25 state attorneys general and eventually shut down by New York’s Attorney General Robert Abrams on September 3, 1996.
Pursuant to the consent decree entered in that case, Raniere was permanently prohibited from “promoting, offering or granting participation in a chain distributor scheme in the State of New York.”

Two years later he was back at it with ESP.
Rational Inquiry
7. NXIVM’s programs were based upon a system Raniere and Nancy Salzman labeled Rational Inquiry. Defendants claimed this was a patent-pending technology for changing behavior and thinking. They claimed that it was based in science and could thus be replicated, producing empirically measurable results. Defendants also claimed that NXIVM’s system or “tech” could cure medical conditions, including Tourette’s Syndrome and Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. None of this was true.
8. Rational Inquiry had two primary components:
(1) a self-esteem eroding curriculum designed to break down students’ resistance to Raniere’s and Nancy Salzman’s radical reframing of ethics, morality, and gender roles and relations, among other things, and
(2) an inherently dangerous form of psychotherapy called “Exploration of Meaning” (“EM”), which was administered by so-called EM Practitioners (“EMPs”), all of whom were unqualified to practice psychoanalysis, psychology or mental health counseling.

Nancy Salzman, the principal therapist and head of this individual therapy branch of NXIVM, held a nursing license and claimed to have a background as a psychiatric nurse. In fact, she worked as a nurse for only one year in a general practice and did not have a license to practice psychotherapy.
9. Defendants intended, knew, or deliberately disregarded the fact that the EM exposed its subjects to a high risk of injury, because over time it produced disturbing alterations in the subjects’ thinking, behavior, and emotional experience.
10. The longer someone was immersed in this system, the more likely it became that they would suffer moderate-to-severe psychological and emotional injuries, including posttraumatic stress disorder and complex post-traumatic stress disorder. Many of the Plaintiffs in this action were injured in this way and still struggle with the effects of their time in NXIVM and exposure to Defendants’ programs.

These people who are partaking in this lawsuit are parasites. All of them. They are professional victms. Anyone who uses any critical thinking would see the obvious.
[…] What Is NXIVM? Civil Lawsuit Lawyer Neil Glazer Explains in Damning Detail in Amended Complaint], […]
I’m trying to collect information on the procedures of Rational Inquiry. Are there any written materials that an EMP would study to become an EMP? Can someone provide the link for me or email them to me at AlanzosBlog@gmail.com?
These claims of “a self-esteem eroding curriculum designed to break down students’ resistance” and “an inherently dangerous form of psychotherapy called “Exploration of Meaning”” are quite something.
I’m looking forward to seeing Neil prove these claims in court. A lot of people say that Scientology auditing procedures are inherently dangerous too but no one’s ever proven it like Neil’s going to for NXIVM!!
Under the rules of evidence!!
In a court of law!!
Woo-hoo!
It’s a rhetorical wet dream!
Alanzo
You seem a little unhinged and somewhat disingenuous to me. Also, you are the one offering nothing but rhetoric, low-grade rhetoric at that.
There’s nothing more exciting than a money-grubbing attorney chasing a big pay day.
It’s when they start using terms like “inherently dangerous” to try to spook everyone into handing over the cash to him.
It’s all very respectable, of course.
Rhetorically speaking, it’s like a cross between an Elmer Gantry Big Tent Hootenany and a Pro-Wrestling Championship/Monster truck rally.
I’m very excited.
Alanzo
My guess is you’re bitter about attorneys couldn’t find one who would take on whatever claims you wanted to press against Scientology. If that’s not the case, then you’re just an ignorant ass that doesn’t understand the first thing about mass tort litigation.
K.R. Claviger-
I am betting the various [money grubbing] tort attorneys, Alonzo went to, informed he had no damages and, therefore, no case.
…Then Alonzo went to contract attorneys and was told, once again, he had no case.
Poor, poor Alonzo……
Not only does he not have a case, he has no class.
Alanzo.
Be totally honest. Please.
Do you have any friends?
In real life. Not on the phone. Not on the internet. People that you see regularly, in person.
Do you have any friends in real life?
I hope so. Sincerely. I do.
Frank,
Jonnie and Kim would like to get back in touch with you through me, they have had a year from “H…”.
Kim continues to push on and investigate Kris’ death – but is at a loss for words. Due to health issues, she has had to slow way down and do other things.
Please respond to me if you will reconsider allowing them to contact you through me.
Thanks, Grapevine
Yes you may contact me. My email is frankparlato@gmail.com; my phone is 305-783-7083
The potential civil lawsuit damages would be staggering even to a Bronfman.
Frank
I can tell you that several things have come to light.
A) The “suicide note” is a fake. Jonnie and Kim have had it analyzed several times, by several different companies. They have told them that this note is a “fraud”.
B) Another company stepped forward, claiming to want to “help” Jonnie and Kim, “The Malone private detective agency”. Ann Hollis (licensed detective and psychologist).
Lynne is just a “research” assistant. They got so “personal with the “Snyder’s” that Jonnie and Kim finally left them alone.
1-248-742-5223. They have a Michigan number, but the website says- “they are in Anchorage, AK.” Jonnie seems to think that they are friends of Heidi’s.
Kim realized that they were “recording” her without her consent, and that was reported to the proper authorities.
Anna and Lynne told Kim the last few tines that they spoke with her, “that a girl named Aurora, from New York, had journals that she had kept of Kris’ from the last 18 years, and she was sending those to Anna and Lynne, and that Kim and Jonnie would “never see them or know what was inside them”.
Anna and Lynne told Kin, “she was never allowed to give out their phone number without permission”. This upset Kim and Jonnie, so they were advised to stop contact with Anna and Lynne, that the authorities did NOT trust these girls. Kim and Jonnie have NOT spoken to them since.
Kim believes she knows who is involved in her sister’s death, and would appreciate communicating with you again, Frank, through me. If you would agree to this.
Kim is NOT well, she is COPD stage 4, oxygen 24/7, and has been told that, there are ONLY 9 steps in this illness. Kim does what she can, but I can relay what she tells me to you.
Jonnie is now 80, and on “memory meds”. She also, is NOT well, but continues to do for Kim and her Grandson.
They look forward to hearing what will be done with Nancy Salzman and to try and continue to tell you what is told to them, to assist in your investigation.
Kim again, sincerely apologizes for hurting you, and has changed a lot, and would like to once again, open the door of communication between you, Frank, and herself, if this is possible.
Kim has some other evidence to share, some of which, she would like to email you herself, but fears you may “reject” and may NOT look at.
Please let me know if YOU would forgive her, and allow us to open this door one more time.
Thanks Grapevine
In that pyramid scheme photo, Keith is wearing both the pedophile sweater AND the serial killer glasses.
Haven’t seen that double whammy since Dahmer.
Frank,
How far from being ready to make a “reveal” on the Kristin Snyder case are you? Why won’t you at least tell us a little bit of what you know?
I am betting that the family would like to have a little of the knowledge that you have on this deal. They have now entered their 18th year of horror on this deal, NO arrests, other than Keith, maybe Salzman knows something, but it is as though Kris will NEVER be given a proper “burial “. Do you think it will ever happen? At least for Jonnie and Kim?
I know Kim thinks “she knows” what happened – and who is involved, but NO one has listened, and to date, she is still walking through a “nightmare” without her ONLY sister. She will remain ALONE when her ONLY child goes off to college, and her parents will NO longer be alive. Is this
NOT enough to have her go through?
There has NEVER been Part 2 of the “LOST women” with Jonnie and Kim in it,
Frank, we are asking you, to give us, just a small piece of the pie and just what YOU know happened to Kris.
Might YOU know where remains are for Kris? Will we ever know? Just to give the family closure. They deserve this as do us “the readers”. Just a little peek, Frank, please?
Thanks, The Grapevine
I am about a month away on revealing more on the fate of Kristin Snyder. I can say little right now except that the likelihood of her being alive is next to zero. I would call it zero except the remains have not been found and that something atrocious happened to her, terribly atrocious, and several people were utterly responsible for it.
Since I still have witnesses to interview I will have to leave it at that — for the moment.
[…] his amended complaint in the civil lawsuit [see What Is NXIVM? Civil Lawsuit Lawyer Neil Glazer Explains in Damning Detail in Amended Complaint] attorney Neil Glazer goes to town on DOS. Before we read his shocking description of a nightmarish […]
There was a reason that I repeatedly mentioned Glazer’s law suit and linked people to his law firm’s web site.
I was almost like a broken record on the subject.
If anyone or anything destroys NXIVM, it will be Glazer’s civil RICO suit.
I hope I contributed in a small way to the quest for justice.
The Times They Are a-Changin’: Lawsuit Accuses Bob Dylan Of Raping 12-Year-Old Girl In 1965
Woman claims superstar musician groomed, drugged and molested her
https://www.infowars.com/posts/the-times-they-are-a-changin-lawsuit-accuses-bob-dylan-of-raping-12-year-old-girl-in-1965/
BOB DYLAN
SUED FOR SEXUAL ABUSE …
You Groomed Me For Sex!!!
https://www.tmz.com/2021/08/16/bob-dylan-sued-sexual-abuse-assault-groomed-sex-12-year-old-girl-1965/
Maybe, maybe not—-
Dylan biographer Clinton Heylin is skeptical about the allegations. His most recent book, “The Double Life Of Bob Dylan: A Restless, Hungry Feeling (1941-1966),” covers the period when the abuse allegedly happened in considerable detail.
Heylin said he can’t figure out when any meetings between Dylan and the accuser could have taken place.
“It’s not possible. Dylan was touring England during that time, and was in Los Angeles for two of those weeks, plus a day or two at Woodstock,” in upstate New York. “The tour was 10 days, but Bob flew into London on April 26 and arrived back in New York on June 3.”
“If Dylan was in New York in mid-April, it was for no more than a day or two,” he added. “Woodstock was where he spent most of his time when not touring. And if he was in NYC, he invariably stayed at his manager’s apartment in Gramercy, not the Chelsea.”
Heylin also said the singer didn’t start living at the Chelsea Hotel until autumn of that year.
Used sex cult for sale!
Used sex cult for sale!
How much will you give me?
Do I hear two bits?
Frank
Are you continuing your investigation into the Snyder young woman’s death? Are there any new developments? Any at all? We never hear from this investigation any more? It’s as if this case just died and went away. Are you still pursuing this case or not? What has happened ? Are you or aren’t you doing anything on this case anymore?
Kris needs to be found for her family and for the readers. There are SO many unanswered questions – and SO many loopholes in stories.
Do you hear from the Snyders or from Kim anymore? Where has she gone? What is she doing these days?
Please give us an update if you can.
Grapevine
The investigation into the missing and presumed deceased Kristin Snyder is far from over. I am not ready to make an update just yet.
Frank, I believe that the Snyder case might relate to Glazer’s lawsuit in that through the unauthorized practice of psychotherapy, Kristin Snyder was pushed into suicide.
At least one of the Jane Does reported having thoughts of suicide after taking NXIVM courses.
NXIVM is sexually predatory, grifting parasite. That’s about it.
The women who were not stalked by VanTurd, consider yourself lucky, and the ones who were, but were somehow saved by someone — a family member or a friend — then consider yourselves even luckier.
well you can’t go after the nxivm grandpapa….
milton loshin who made nancy salzman and carole kass passed. r.i.p.
you made the greatest daughter of all cult times!!
milton was also the grandpa to Lauren salzman and Michelle Myers salzman.
Milton’s highlights in life include that milton was also an nxivm member!!!
go milton!!!
https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/nj/vauxhall/milton-loshin-13172373
The most important item in this article is the sweater photo in which KR has drawn a pyramid on his easel. He literally has drawn a line at the top across the top of his pyramid scheme and then put another layer above it which perfectly decsribes the fact that only a few made any money out of it.
NXIVM is a “cult”- call it what it is. The families and victims have been through enough and drug through the mud enough to know – that it is Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman’s way of making money – and ruining people’s lives – like they have done for many years.
The families and victims have been accused of “false crimes” and have had their lives turned upside down and inside out – but have gone on – picked up the pieces and walked on – but are still “grieving” and still trying to put their lives back in order.
Those that have NOT lost loved ones in this process are very fortunate< Those that have lost - and are having to “defend” - their loved ones, as we still are, will forever be changed. Those that are still having to walk on without a “body” - and without any “closure” - will never have peace or understanding of what happened to their loved one. Imagine 18 years of horror - NO closure. Can you? NO- NXIVM is a “cult” - call it what it is. It is a pyramid scheme gone wrong - and murders victims without reason. Call it is what it is. Be honest and stop asking the question of what it is. It is a “cult”-!!!!!!! If you can find it in your heart, imagine what the victims are going through. Stop dragging them through HELL!!!!!!!!
“ …possibly learn a little something about selecting sweaters”
LOL!
Those Nxivm criminals who got off with little or no prison time can now look forward to many years of legal woes. Ironic, given how they formerly enjoyed the benefits of a corrupt organization that harassed the innocent by means of baseless lawsuits.
Payback truly is a bitch.
Somebody like Lauren Salzman better stick to her low-wage “career” as dog groomer. Because when the defendants lose this civil case they will owe the plaintiffs a shitload of money, a debt they’ll never be clear of.
“Executive Success” indeed.
What I notice is that Danielle Padilla Bergeron, Rosa Laura Junco, Loreta J. Garza, and Monica Duran are no longer listed as defendants in the first amended complaint. Does that mean they are no longer among the defendants?
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT CIVIL ACTION NO. 20-CV-485
EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
————————————————————–x
SARAH EDMONDSON; TONI NATALIE;
JESSICA JOAN SALAZAR; SOUKI; NICOLE;
DANIELA; CAMILA; INDIA OXENBERG;
BONNIE PIESSE; TABITHA CHAPMAN;
ASHLEY MCLEAN; ANA CECLIA; MARK
VICENTE; ANTHONY AMES; JANE DOES 6-11;
JANE DOE 13, JANE DOES 15-17; JANE DOES
19-26; JANE DOES 28-39; JANE DOES 42-45;
JANE DOES 47-48; JANE DOES 50-63; JOHN
DOES 2-17; and JOHN DOES 19-22,
Plaintiffs,
v.
KEITH RANIERE; NANCY SALZMAN; CLARE
BRONFMAN; SARA BRONFMAN;
LAUREN SALZMAN; ALLISON MACK; KATHY
RUSSELL; KAREN UNTERREINER;
DR. BRANDON PORTER; DR. DANIELLE
ROBERTS; NICKI CLYNE; NXIVM
CORPORATION; EXECUTIVE SUCCESS
PROGRAMS, INC.; ETHICAL SCIENCE
FOUNDATION; and FIRST PRINCIPLES,
Defendants.
Document Number: 64
Date Filed: Aug 13, 2021
Main Document
Amended Complaint
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.444408/gov.uscourts.nyed.444408.64.0.pdf
Edmondson v. Raniere (1:20-cv-00485)
District Court, E.D. New York
Last Updated: Aug. 15, 2021, 9:30 p.m. EDT
Assigned To: Eric R. Komitee
Referred To: Cheryl Pollak
Date Filed: Jan. 28, 2020
Date of Last Known Filing: Aug. 13, 2021
Cause: 18:1962 Racketeering (RICO) Act
Nature of Suit: 470 Racketeer/Corrupt Organization
Jury Demand: Plaintiff
Jurisdiction Type: Federal Question
Date Filed: Jan 28, 2020
COMPLAINT against All Defendants filing fee $400, receipt number ANYEDC-12308763 Was the Disclosure Statement on Civil Cover Sheet completed -YES, filed by John Doe(Nos. 1-17), Toni Natalie, Sarah Edmondson, Mark Vicente, Jane Doe (Nos. 1 to 13), John Doe (Nos. 19-20), Jane Doe(Nos. 15-39), Jane Doe(Nos. 41-60). (Attachments: # 1 Civil Cover Sheet) (Glazer, Neil) (Entered: 01/28/2020)
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nyed.444408/gov.uscourts.nyed.444408.1.0.pdf
List of defendants:
Keith Raniere, Nancy Salzman, Clare Bronfman, Sara Bronfman, Lauren Salzman, Allison Mack, Kathy Russell, Karen Unterreiner, Dr. Brandon Porter, Dr. Danielle Roberts, Daniella Padilla Bergeron, Rosa Laura Junco, Loreta J. Garza Davila, Monica Duran, Nicki Clyne, NXIVM Corporation, Executive Success Programs, Inc., Ethical Science Foundation, and First Principles, Inc.
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There is so much to be said about the strength of women.
I am lucky enough to come from strong stock as my friend likes to remind my mother and myself when she refers to my grandmother, Elizabeth.
I am no lawyer, so my understanding of the legal process is very basic, but I suspect that the lawsuit casts a wide net to maximize both the chances of a judgment in favor of the plaintiffs and the financial settlement. A civil case has a lower burden of proof than a criminal case, so “probably” is going to be sufficient. Yes, this means posting pro-DOS statements on your website can cost you. I suspect that most of the defendants are broke, or close to being broke, or will be very soon. The lawyers representing the plaintiffs are not interested in them.
This means that as far as money goes, the targets are Clare and Sara Bronfman. The lawyers for the plaintiffs will hope for a judgment that renders the defendants joint and severally liable. This would allow payment to be collected from the Bronfmans. This is such a tangled mess that such a judgment is certainly possible. This does have a positive aspect for the other defendants: they cannot be sued again for the same claims.
How about how nxivm practiced a form of mental health EMs without a proper license or experience? What did Lauren Salzman and Michelle Myers do to be licensed? Was Nancy Salzman Loshin a LSCW? No….so they did mental health without permission.
Shouldn’t Nancy, Lauren and Michelle be prosecuted for impersonating psychotherapists by the board of health too?
State mental health boards don’t “prosecute” practitioners Like this.
Nurse Nancy was never licensed as a professional therapist.
When she was billing insurance companies as a therapist, she did so under someone else who was an LSCW in her office.
This is called INSURANCE FRAUD.
That is why it was so easy for Nancy Salzman to break the law for and with Keith Raniere.
She was already a criminal before meeting Keith Raniere.
When the bills went into the mail, add MAIL FRAUD to the list of her pre-Vanguard crimes.
When two criminals meet and plan a self-help program that is based on NLP and hypnosis, do you think it won’t have criminal elements planted into it?
Two shifters working together to squeeze out as much value from their unknowing participants, it was a well-laid plan from the very start.
Nancy Salzman is going to play total victim to the Judge as she has to her closest friends.
Who’s gonna buy it? Hopefully, not the Judge.
She’s been talking to every ex-NxIVM member she runs into in the Albany area breaking her at-home confinement agreement with the Court.
She now makes more money doing her EMs than ever before.
She has not changed or reformed her life like her daughter, not one ounce.
She didn’t help the prosecution with any information.
Let’s hope the judge locks her ass up for at least as long if not more than Clare Bronfman.
Keith Raniere could have never gotten away with what he did without the help of Nancy Salzman.
He could have never gotten to the Bronfmans’ money without Nancy Salzman’s help.
He could have never started NXIVM without Nancy’s kept it going without her.
Salzman was the workhorse while he slept and had sex — and kept the women in line for him.
Salzman needs to go to prison. She has done nothing to clean up her act while on home arrest. She continued to do the same thing she did in NXIVM plus blame Keith Raniere for what she did.
She was older than anyone in a leadership position. She had $500,000++ in shoeboxes in her attic. No one does that with “Legal” money. A safe, ya ok maybe, but not $500,000 maybe $10,000.
We all know that was cash from Mexico.
Was it legally brought across the border? Not really. It was brought over to commit crimes of money laundering and tax evasion.
Have those crimes even been charged against Salzman yet? Would these be NDNY charges?
See if Nancy’s sister, Carole Kass, has the money. And how did Michelle Myers get off so easy (no pun intended)? Nancy’s parents were also members of nxivm. Where does Carole’s husband Steve travel? Same cities as nxivm ppl?
Manipulating others by diminishing their self esteem in the name of ethics is as vilely hypocritical as one can get.
Fake Nurse Sleazeman and VanFraud were requited with the Divine humiliation they deserved.
I think it’s a slam dunk. The burden of proof for this case is a mix of Clear and Convincing evidence and Preponderance of the evidence.
At least some defendants plead or were found guilty under the higher standard, Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.
I wish I could be a fly on the wall at the depositions!
This will be a very interesting case to see unfold, assuming it actually reaches the point of being contested beyond paperwork.
The plaintiffs in the case are not exactly shining examples of virtue and many participated in the same behavior they suing against. That is going to be excellent cross examination fodder for the defendants. The rules of a civil case are different than a criminal in a few ways. Probably be a story on that down the line.
Differences are enough that it means that the defendant’s’ lawyers can be much more ruthless in how they handle the plaintiffs when they take the stand. Hard for a jury to decide who to reward if they think everyone involved is culpable in some form or fashion. And make no mistake, with few exceptions, none of those involved are innocent. Not being chosen to get prosecuted doesn’t absolve them of their sins of participation. Another defense option is simply lay the blame entirely on Keith and Nancy. Allison Mack, et all, can in effect co-opt the plaintiffs case as theirs too and say those 2 victimized us as much as them.
To Nicki Clyne (assuming she reads this site):
You chose to be be the public face of DOS’ defense right now. I strongly advise you seek out a lawyer ASAP. The words and statements you have posted on social media, that website of yours, the podcasts interviews, etc. can and will be used against you in this civil suit. You are doing yourself no favors right now with your pro-Keith campaign. You may also think “I can just avoid this by returning to Canada” and you would be wrong. The national agreements with your country is such that a judgement is enforceable there. You don’t have to believe me on any of this, its why I strongly recommend you get a lawyer ASAP.
Nicki reads the Frank Report. Your words are wise. But Nicki listens to Keith.
The only reason a defendant would be as reckless as Nicki is because they know that they stand to lose nothing.
Clare will.
And no nxian has ever cared about parting Clare from her money.
Psychologically, a judgement against Nicki will bother her. Financially, it will be a Bronfman problem.
How does Nicki afford to live in New York and fly around visiting prisons when she doesn’t work? And has to beg people to spend 5 bucks a month to access information from her?
Nicki has spent countless hours on Twitter deriding women as makers of “false accusations” against innocent men.
But Nicki herself demanded that her slave make really damming and criminal accusations against the men in her life.
DOS itself was a false accusations against men factory.
Keith probably wanted to set up DOS that way. Because then if a woman came forward at any point against Keith – the loyalists could pull out the blackmail as proof of the woman having a “history of making false accusations”.
These are not good people. They can’t be reasoned with and are terrorists and true believers on a mission.
Lauren stated it clearly in court. Upon Keith’s arrest at gunpoint, “Save Keith” was her only thought. Protect him. With her own life. And that is Keith’s main drive, as well. Keith. At all costs. Keith. Always and forever.
They made a lifetime vow. To Keith.
–Because then if a woman came forward at any point against Keith – the loyalists could pull out the blackmail as proof of the woman having a “history of making false accusations”.
This once again proves just how utterly morally reprehensible and idiotic they are. We want you to come up with any bad stuff you’ve done in the past, and if it’s not bad enough, just make up something to make it look bad enough. But all in the name of ethics, empowerment and character growth, of course. Don’t you want to become “bad-ass” women? Provide us with this “collateral”, which is just like a home loan because we call it the word, and as long as you keep your word — a lifetime vow based on deception and lies — we won’t release it. But it’s not blackmail! Because, if you break your word, which is based on lies, and tell the truth about us, we can use the lies we told you to make against yourself as the “truth” so that no one will believe you.
Grifters and morons galore, starting with the massive grifter at the top.
Great thread, much truth
Nicki has not posted on Twitter since yesterday.
https://twitter.com/nickiclyne?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Nor has she posted on Instagram since yesterday.
Is she suffering from jet lag?
She is back in New York.
https://www.instagram.com/nickiclyne/