By Ken Gibson
Today in New York we have some reassurance – two days in a row the figures have leveled off. Central Park was in full swing yesterday, people were of course observing social distancing, some were wearing masks, some were not. It was a warm spring day, and the mood lifted considerably.
To add to the feeling, hard facts followed as chloroquine has been proving MOST EFFECTIVE.
The only people unhappy about that are left wing journalists and enemies of the United States. Which may be one and the same.
The results with chloroquine are very real. They are very encouraging, so much so that a Democrat is now on record thanking Trump for saying her life. That person is a a black woman in Michigan, a freshman lawmaker for her state, who got COVID 19; she remembered seeing Trump’s press conferences. So she insisted in getting chloroquine, which Trump advocates.
Instead of listening to the fools in her own party who are trying to scare people away from chloroquine, or listening to Rachel Madcow and foolish journalists who bash a known drug, or listening to the negative trolls who hide behind fake names on this site, she listened to common sense.
Karen Whitsett did not gamble with her life by listening to fools. She had heard Trump’s arguments and acted upon them.
Below I have cut and pasted from the article, written by Debra Heine. I did not find this in the NYT. Wolf Blitzer did not comment on this. CNN is not headlining it. You will find it on google, posted 6 April 2020 – but you might ask yourself why you are not being told this in the mainstream press. Here is the URL: https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/06/michigan-dem-says-hydroxychloroquine-saved-her-life-credits-trump-for-making-it-a-priority/
Michigan Dem Says Chloroquine Saved Her Life, Thanks Trump for ‘Making it a Priority’
Debra Heine April 6, 2020
A Democrat state representative from Detroit, Michigan, who has been battling the coronavirus for weeks, is crediting hydroxychloroquine for saving her life, the Detroit Free Press reported on Monday.
State Rep. Karen Whitset thanked President Trump —even as the corporate media continued to criticize him for touting an “unproven” drug—because she would not have asked for it unless he had brought it up.
Whitset and her husband have both suffered a range of symptoms—including swollen lymph nodes, and shortness of breath—since March 18, according to the Free Press.
She started taking taking hydroxychloroquine in combination with antibiotics on March 31.
Whitset told the news outlet that she started feeling relief in “less than two hours,” although she is still experiencing headaches.
Whitsett said she was familiar with “the wonders” of hydroxychloroquine from an earlier bout with Lyme disease, but does not believe she would have thought to ask for it, or her doctor would have prescribed it, had Trump not been touting it as a possible treatment for COVID-19.
Trump, at his daily coronavirus briefings, has repeatedly touted the drug in combination with the antibiotic azithromycin, despite criticism from health professionals that it is unproven and potentially dangerous. There have also been complaints that Trump’s remarks have resulted in a shortage of the drug for those people who normally use it for its recommended purposes.
But the freshman lawmaker had only praise for Trump’s comments about the potential benefits of the drug.
“It has a lot to do with the president … bringing it up,” Whitsett said. “He is the only person who has the power to make it a priority.”
When asked if she thinks Trump may have saved her life, Whitsett said: “Yes, I do,” and “I do thank him for that.”
Whitsett said her husband works as an engineer at Detroit Metropolitan Airport and the couple believes he was exposed at work. He is still awaiting the results of his COVID-19 test, she said.
She’s also lost people close to her through COVID-19 — a fellow Detroit lawmaker and a member of the clergy, among others — and said the entire experience has been scary.
“This is a very uncertain time,” she said. “As a lawmaker, I want to be sure, but I’m not always sure.”
The governor of Michigan initially restricted the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat patients suffering with the coronavirus, but reversed course last week after the Food and Drug Administration approved the emergency use of the drugs for COVID-19 patients.
On Monday, a major medical society also endorsed using hydroxychloroquine for seriously ill coronavirus patients.
The American Thoracic Society, which specializes in the treatment of respiratory diseases, issued the following guidelines for COVID-19 patients with pneumonia:
“To prescribe hydroxychloroquine (or chloroquine) to hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia if all of the following apply: a) shared decision-making is possible, b) data can be collected for interim comparisons of patients who received hydroxychloroquine (or chloroquine) versus those who did not, c) the illness is sufficiently severe to warrant investigational therapy, and d) the drug is not in short supply,” the Thoracic Society said.
Availability of the life-saving drug was threatened last week, when India banned exports of all forms of hydroxychoroquine in order to preserve supplies for domestic use. Nearly half of the supply of the drug to the U.S. comes from India.
But the Asian nation reportedly agreed to make an exception for the United States after President Trump talked to Indian Prime Minister Modi.
An interesting new anecdote in the news – from someone discerning and objective enough (and perhaps aware of the placebo effect and mechanisms like false attribution) to put things in perspective:
‘Wilson added that she was given controversial drug chloroquine, and she said she was not sure if it worked or if it was just time for her fever to break, as that’s what happened after she was given the drug. Still, she cautioned that she had “extreme side effects” after taking chloroquine, including being “completely nauseous,” having vertigo, and her muscles becoming very weak.
“We have to be very considerate about this drug,” Wilson said. “We don’t know if it’s safe in this case.”‘
Rita Wilson Shares How She and Tom Hanks Contracted Coronavirus, “Extreme” Chloroquine Side Effects
The experience of one person who happens to be famous and wealthy, or at least married to such,
is enough to go against the advice of thousands of physicians about a drug that has been used
SUCCESFULLY for decades in about a billion cases?
Maybe the drug does not work for the wives of highly paid actors.
The rest of us who have to really work for a living want it or anything that works,
and don’t want some internet troll not honest enough to use his real name to cherry pick
quotes from famous people to make a point.
That’s my point – you can’t read much, if anything, into one anecdote from someone whose case is getting attention because of their public profile.
The quinine compounds have long been known to often have serious side effects, so much so that many people can’t tolerate them There’s this, for instance, from India, where they have extensive experience with their use as anti-malarials:
*Covid-19: The bitter truth about using hydroxychloroquine as a preventive drug | India Today Insight
Did the Indian Council for Medical Research factor in the extreme side effects and easy availability of this antimalarial drug before recommending it for those who face a high risk of coronavirus infection?
‘C. Banerjee, a 69-year-old resident of Delhi’s Kalkaji, says the news gave him the shivers. In the 1980s, as cases of malaria began to increase in India, chloroquine (which is closely related to hydroxychloroquine) was widely prescribed. “It is like swallowing death,” recounts Banerjee. Reported side effects of chloroquine include nausea, headache, mood swings, skin irritation, swelling, cramps, pale skin, muscle weakness, bleeding from nose and hearing problems. An overdose can result in death. Hydroxychloroquine too can lead to headaches, nausea, lowering of blood glucose, drowsiness, reduced appetite, depression, irreversible blindness, cramps and heart failure (if overdosed). “It leaves a horrible bitter taste in the mouth. I remember taking it and feeling faint, nauseous and terribly unwell. ‘
It also is starting to appear, as experts initially predicted, that its use may be the wrong thing in COVID-19 cases given the particularly nature of the disease and the demographics worst affected (like those with heart problems, which can be aggravated, even fatally), as well as other drugs being used to treat the disease with which they have potentially dangerous interactions (I’ve posted similar information previously, including earlier here):
* Side Effects Halt Use of Chloroquine Vs. COVID-19
‘The use of the anti-malarial drug chloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients has been halted at several Swedish hospitals due to reported side effects such as cramps and loss of peripheral vision.’
* Drugs Touted by Trump for COVID-19 Increase Heart Risks, Studies Find
‘A small study in Brazil published online by medRxiv had to be cut short after patients taking high-doses of chloroquine to treat their COVID-19 symptoms started to develop heart arrhythmias. “Within three days of starting the drugs, researchers started noticing heart arrhythmias in patients taking the higher dose. By the sixth day of treatment, 11 patients had died, leading to an immediate end to the high-dose segment of the trial,”
In France, where the initial buzz started about treating COVID-19 with a combination of antimalarial drugs and azithromycin, data released by the country’s drug safety agency showed 43 cases of heart incidents linked to hydroxychloroquine, highlighting the risk of providing unproven treatments to COVID-19 patients’
Just to demonstrate how wildly anecdotes about coronavirus cures vary, here are a couple examples I came across:
* A Twenty-Something British Man Says He Cured His Coronavirus With Whisky
“It’s an old fashioned remedy, but it seemed to do the trick”
‘Twenty-five-year-old teacher Connor Reed, reportedly the first Brit to contract the illness, claims to have cured his own case of coronavirus just by sipping whisky.
“I used the inhaler which helped control the cough and drank a hot whisky with honey until that ran out,” Reed told the Sun.’
‘Elise said both she and her 26-year-old daughter displayed symptoms of COVID-19 but, thanks to Scalar Light, neither tested positive for the virus.
“I think many people will say this is too good to be true,” she told me. “That’s because it’s a physics-based medicine, not a chemistry-based medicine.”’
Coronavirus has created opportunities for, shall we say, quirky cures
German city becomes one of the first cities to test 80% of its citizens for COVID —– to see what the ‘true’ infection rate and death percentages are.
It reports that 15% of its citizens are infected, which is a much higher percentage than anticipated (which is what I’ve been saying will happen all along, as most citizens have mild symptoms or no symptoms and never seek out testing).
*This is good news because it means the true “death percentage” is only 0.37% of everybody infected in this city.
It’s death percentage is 0.37% (just a bad flu season)
This is similar to the Princess Cruise Ship death percentage when adjusted for the average age distribution in the USA (the cruise ship had a 1% death percentage —- but it was mostly older people on board, so we must adjust that to reflect the average ages in the USA).
When the USA begins massive serology testing in a few weeks (widespread testing to see how many people were infected but never knew it) —– we should see the death percentage go down by similar numbers.
Good news for sure. 🙂
The liberals and mainstream media refuse to report these figures.
They won’t touch this story with a 10 foot pole cuz they won’t report anything that’s positive.
Have a nice day. 🙂
A fact-check shows that, once again, you and your armchair expert guru are cherry-picking, or confusing apples and oranges – or just casting about for data that’s a convenient fit for quack theories.
Heinsberg is an interesting case in terms of the epidemiological research being done into things like transmission – but that’s a separate issue. Their example obviously does not translate to the US.
There they had rates of 560 cases and 16 deaths per 100,000, and that’s with new cases having peaked about two weeks ago and deaths on the decline for several days now.
Here, in New York City, for example, there are 969 cases and 51 deaths per 100,000 – 2 to 3 times the Heinsberg rate – at a point in the pandemic where it’s not entirely clear yet that new cases are trending down, and the daily death rate is still rising exponentially. New York State as a whole is at 32 deaths per 100,000, also above the Heinsberg rate, as are the state of New Jersey and the city of New Orleans, among others.
Also, they didn’t test 80% – they tested 4.2%:
“Unveiled on Thursday, the preliminary findings, using the results of 500 of the town’s 12,000 inhabitants, showed that 15 per cent of the population was believed to have been infected
It is hoping to test 1,000 people in the town and to date 85 per cent of them have given their permission to be tested.”
* Germany’s ‘Wuhan’ has 15 per cent infection rate
MASSIVE FAIL. HAND
It seems people are waking up to the techniques fascists employ to usher in mandatory vaccines. Any information the does not venerated vaccines is always “anecdotal”.
Also funny how a very old drug used for decades and shows promise in use is maligned as “anecdotal” and potentially dangerous while experimental vaccines (RNA vaccines which have never been licensed) are skipping animal trials and going straight to human testing and that’s safe?
About that RNA vaccine from an article:
“RNA vaccines consist of messenger RNA strands. They are injected into the body, usually within lipid nanoparticles. These merge with cells. Once inside, the RNA sequence is translated by ribosomes to make a protein or parts of proteins. “Rather than generating proteins in a manufacturing plant and purifying them, you are getting the muscle to do the job and make the protein itself,’ says Robin Shattock, a virologist at Imperial College London, UK.””
Bill Gates wants to vaccinate and microchip people.
If his vaccine worked, where is it?
Is this the masterplan, create a problem and then deliver a ‘solution’ –
The bullshit con artist anonyfaker likes to pass himself off as basically an expert on about everything. As much time as the fraud spends here, he could actually be more productive doing something useful for his Brooklyn community. He loves to constantly use terms like “factcheck”….”debunked”…”Science” while only citing sources that he AGREES with and disregard for mounting evidence and other sources that challenge his belief. Now his new buzz word “anecdotal” is in many of his platitudinous comments.
Stop the ‘anecdotal’ nonsense
By Jim Dicks
“Anecdotal” has suddenly transmogrified into a magic word with power to shut down any further inquiry, discussion, or debate of hydroxychloroquine’s (HYQ) application as a Wuhan virus antidote. This one simple word has reached ultimate status in the world of TDS sufferers everywhere as the definitive slayer of arguments for the drug’s use to impede the deadly path of the virus.
This sad fact is representative of a pernicious chasm in our society. The deeply-felt antipathy and revulsion of anything Trump by TDS sufferers are so intense, raw, and vituperative that the one, and so far, only readily available treatment modality demonstrating high efficacy in stopping COVID-19 — when used in combination with zinc sulfate and azithromycin and administered early in the progression of the disease — is being withheld from widespread implementation as the ubiquitous solution to save lives and help end the plague.
The President’s daily coronavirus press briefings immediately degenerate into full-blown verbal assaults from a shrill, mostly hateful press once questions begin. Reporters vie with one another to see who can win the daily prize for the best “gotcha” question rather than focus on how to best help the American public.
Under normal circumstances (whatever meaning normal has in the age of Trump) the majority of the nation unafflicted with TDS generally goes about its business with a “what can you do?” attitude toward these sufferers, carefully monitoring political weathervanes of friends, co-workers, and family to avoid triggering spite-filled outbursts and diatribes. However, with the pandemic upon us, the TDS-afflicted have devolved into reflexive resistance to HYQ as a promising solution to help stem the tide of ever-increasing deaths and suffering from the virus simply because Trump supports its use.
Dr. Fauci’s constant rejoinder to the HYQ treatment solution is to dismiss it as anecdotal. But what is anecdotal? The ever-growing number of HYQ studies conducted by medical researchers, the case histories of practicing physicians such as Dr. Vladimir Zelenko of upstate New York, Dr. William Grace of New York City, Dr. Anthony Cardillo of Los Angeles, as well as a growing number of doctors and hospitals around the country, are not “anecdotes” and it is outrageous for Fauci and the media to characterize them as such in the face of a thousand deaths a day from COVID-19. These are not personal accounts or stories, but rather in-the-field medical cases entered in patient records that can be verified by medical investigators. Enlightened, dedicated doctors in this desperate time are frantically searching for solutions to save their patients’ lives. These practicing physicians are applying abductive reasoning, forming a conclusion drawn from known facts to arrive at the best possible outcome. They cannot wait, in a life and death crisis, for the absolute, definitive remedy when their patients’ lives are hanging in the balance.
Dr. Fauci as well as all those opposing or dismissing the HYQ option as anecdotal are morally and ethically bound to tell us what is their alternative treatment to HYQ (with zinc sulfate and azithromycin given as early as possible to vulnerable covid sufferers) that demonstrates comparable results and is available in quantities sufficient to meet national demands. If they cannot identify a viable alternative they must either get fully onboard with this treatment modality until a better one appears or step aside and let others lead the effort to end this scourge, with full support from the CDC and the COVID-19 response team.
To do otherwise is to be knowingly complicit in preventable deaths and destroyed lives resulting from this nightmare.
could be Fauci has ties to Gates, and in turn, to Wuhan.
The Chinese spelled out their strategy:
“Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer”.
Is AnonyMaker working for the CCP?
As far as anecdotal reports from public figures – for what they’re worth –
*Bachelor: Colton Says Hydroxychloroquine To Treat Coronavirus Caused Negative Side Effects
Like the Michigan woman, he has no idea whether the drug really helped or not, or whether as with use of a placebo like sugar pills, he just would have gotten better anyway.
The Michigan woman has a STRONG idea that the drug helped, that is why she thanked Trump.
How many times does a black female Democrat thank Trump?
Only when they feel he has saved their life.
So your statement stinks like a premeditated lie.
People who visit shrines and worship at holy statues often believe they’ve been healed and have “strong” ideas that visiting or venerations helped, too. As those those who go to traveling preachers’ healing services, or visit voodoo sorceresses and witch doctors, often feel they’ve had their lives saved, too.
It’s actually a common human bias, that we’re often not very good at judging cause and effect, and even prone to falsely attributing cause. It’s one of the major vulnerabilities that cults and gurus exploit.
The woman was sick. That is a fact. She did not visit a shrine. She is an elected leader, so credit her with some intelligence if you will.
She recovered. That is a fact.
I like to look at facts, not your wordy BS.
William Barr: Media on ‘jihad’ to discredit hydroxychloroquine
‘Lockdown’ states faring NO BETTER than other states which didn’t lockdown.
Official data below.
The data doesn’t lie.
Holy mother of Jesus Christ and Mary Magdalene!
Have a nice day! 🙂
Typical of the incompetent idiocy of self-imagined armchair experts – like Raniere, with his ideas about women’s diets, and treatment of their cancers – the blogger you cite is looking at the wrong number, R0:
‘R0 is not set in stone. It is an average, and can also vary from place to place. As science journalist, Ed Yong put it in the Atlantic, R0 “is a measure of a disease’s potential,” and once response measures are put in place—screening and quarantines, for example—the actual transmission rate can be lowered. The actual or “effective” version of the reproductive number, as opposed to the basic version, is known as Rt—that is, the virus’s actual transmission rate at a given time, t.’
As shown in that article in the examples of other countries around the world, lockdowns have been very effective. And since you and your sources seem to like Google data, here’s this:
* Google’s new data reveals global lockdowns are working amid coronavirus crisis
New poll shows 65% of all US doctors would prescribe hydroxychloroquine to THEIR FAMILIES.
What does that tell you about how effective they believe it is.
The head of the AMA (American Medical Association) — who’s a democratic, anti-Trump mouthpiece — is advising against using this medicine, even though 65% of all US doctors disagree with her.
So who will you agree with?
1) 65% of all US doctors (including most emergency room doctors actually treating COVID patients)
2) A single, democratic, anti-Trump mouthpiece who heads the AMA.
Sorry AnonyFaker. I know your blood is boiling now. 🙂
Have a nice day. 🙂
Doctors, as science-minded professionals, are open to experimentation, particularly in urgent or triage situations – that says nothing about “how effective they believe it is,” just that they think it might possibly be effective.
More of your false equivalencies and delusional strawmen.
Typically, reality is not your friend. In Google News, the reports starting to come in don’t look like it’s actually that effective, after all:
Publisher of hydroxychloroquine study touted by Trump says the research didn’t meet its standards
President Trump has been a cheerleader for the drug hydroxychloroquine, pointing in a tweet and in person to a French study as evidence that one particular …
2 hours ago
‘No miraculous recovery’: Some ICU doctors say hydroxychloroquine isn’t helping sickest patients
Does hydroxychloroquine cure coronavirus? Trump and Cuomo have promoted hydroxychloroquine as a coronavirus COVID-19 treatment. Does HCQ work for …
8 hours ago
Anti-malaria drug shortage impacting Coloradans with auto-immune disorders
10 hours ago
French Hospital Stops Hydroxychloroquine Treatment for COVID-19 Patient Over Major Cardiac Risk
The head of cardiology said they are now monitoring the ECG recordings of patients in the trial.
10 hours ago
[Hospitals in Sweden have stopped its use over similar concerns, plus lack of significant effectiveness]
You cite a study saying it does not help the sickest patients. Perhaps it ought to be administered BEFORE
the patient is sickest? Or in a higher dose given the advanced state of disease?
You’re the one who seems in a heated frenzy to spam/troll. I only have to calmly fact-check to easily show up how shoddy and faulty your cult-style propaganda attempts are.
In the news, it turns out doctors actually working with patients in the field were half as optimistic about hydroxychloroquine:
‘This new survey completed by Sermo on March 27, 2020, reported 6,227 physicians in 30 countries found that 37 percent of those treating COVID-19 patients rated hydroxychloroquine as the “most effective therapy” from a list of 15 options.’
Meanwhile, those working most closely with the treatment are apparently realizing the drug’s downsides and limits:
* ‘No miraculous recovery’: Some ICU doctors say hydroxychloroquine isn’t helping sickest patients
And in hospitals in Europe where they’ve been using it longer, those problems care causing outright abandonment of the drug treatment:
* Side Effects Halt Use of Chloroquine Vs. COVID-19
[French hospitals are also giving up on its use]
I cut and pasted from the URL you give – without any in depth quotes – just hoping it looks official and backs up your claim when it doesn’t.
Below is what I cut/pasted from your 2nd URL re HCQ not helping sickest patients:
April 8, 2020, 11:24 AM EDT / Updated April 9, 2020, 11:22 AM EDT
By Erika Edwards
The federal government’s guidance on emergency usage of the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19 patients may have actually set the medication up for failure.
That’s because the guidance limits the drug’s usage to those sick enough to be hospitalized. Many doctors suspect, however, that if the drug does turn out to be beneficial, it may work better early on in the course of the illness.
Full coverage of the coronavirus outbreak
“That’s the case for any therapeutic,” Dr. George Diaz, an infectious disease specialist at Providence Regional Medical Center in Everett, Washington, said. “Generally the earlier you use it, the more effective it is.”
GENERALLY THE EARLIER YOU USE IT, the MORE EFFECTIVE IT IS.”
Duh. And the later you use it, the less effective it is.
The moral of this story is that people like AnonyMaker who cause delays in its use are making people sicker
and less likely to recover. In FACT – speaking with someone who has a real name and a real rank – now a Col.,
then a Capt in the USMC – I was told that CQ/HCQ were used BEFORE anyone was sick, given to US troops in Vietnam
AnonyMaker does not want Americans to take this. He quotes SELECTIVELY and could be DELIBERATELY doing so
to kill Americans.
If so, he is committing a crime and the US has a right to arrest and imprison him.
You are catching on. anonyfaker is a conman and bullshit spreader. The slime ball is about as evil as they come.
I believe his actions are not only evil but criminal endangerment via disinformation.
Why is Gates talking about a vaccine – and microchipping along with it?
Is that WHY people are bashing CQ – they don’t want people healed before Gates
can inject Americans with his mark – a 666?
He commented recently on another article here insinuating that he was an Army officer and worked at the Pentagon.
James Bond. 007. Austin Powers. The guy is unreal.
Maybe in a psych ward somewhere, the idiot savant that makes the staff laugh.
Bad news for Liberals…
The aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt has been tested for COVID.
This is the best place to ‘test’ the theory of how it affects younger and healthier people (non old people).
There have been 300 positive tests BUT NO HOSPITALIZATIONS.
This would indicate that AnonyFaker and his liberal ilk are wrong.
It would also indicate that a higher percentage of the USA’s general population have been infected already, but didn’t have symptoms strong enough to make them visit the hospital and get tested.
This will lower the death rate (percentage) when we finally begin testing more of our society to find these many younger, asymptomatic carriers who never got tested.
The liberals are gonna be VERY SAD about this.
Have a nice day. 🙂
“There have been 300 positive tests BUT NO HOSPITALIZATIONS.” Bangkok
What you are describing is a typical outbreak of the flu.
Young or healthy people suffer very little.
People with underlying health problems or the elderly are seriously vulnerable.
All the same, China’s experimentation with weird bat viruses, combined with their concealment of a serious epidemic and their continuing use of wet markets and consumption of wild animals as food, represent major threats to world health.
So which is it, just “a typical outbreak of the flu,” or “a serious epidemic and…major threat”?
Amazing how you can twist around to contradict yourself in subsequent paragraphs. That’s how the minds of cultists like Allison Mack work, unable to recognize the internal contradictions of the ideologies and worldviews they’ve adopted.
In Scientology-watching, they have a saying to describe that sort of gross inconsistency, based on an old Saturday Night life skit: “it’s a dessert topping – and a floorwax”
In your case coronavirus is run-of-the-mill – and cause for nuclear war with China.
And in a week or two. or three, when your ideological masters are feeding you heart-rending stories and videos about something else on their agenda, it will be something different. We can already see Trump going back to complimenting China and referring to Xi as a “friend,” while pivoting to scapegoating the WHO instead. Bannon, who never contradicts the leader he kow-tows to, will guide the flock, and China will be put on the back burner again to simmer and provide a whiff of red meat, but not boil over. I’ve observed the charade for decades, and that’s how we got where we are; I can remember when the pack of attack dogs like you were sicced on those opposing offshoring and outsourcing, under the guise of being a threat to the American way of life vis a vis access to cheap consumer goods.
As a major threat to world health, the nations of this world have not just a right, but an obligation to shut it down.
And AnonyMaker with it. Or he may be there already working for the CCP.
Oops, as with many things, you’re jumping to conclusions prematurely:
* A USS Theodore Roosevelt sailor with coronavirus was taken to the ICU as the number of cases on the aircraft carrier rises
STUDY: Blood Plasma treatment seems to cure COVID in 1 to 3 days after administering it.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Late late late. Been asking Paul about this for weeks, he’s a doctor so I know, as a nurse, why he chose to ignore the question. Convalescent plasma is IT. But first you have to test for antibodies. Keep out of real medical business, cock-head. Go back to screeching about chloroquine with your Q-head cronies and ‘arguing’ with your supercilious liberal counterparts.
Hi Paul, you and your “nurse” alter-ego are both full of crap
wrong to the point of psychosis.
Spot on, busted your lying ass again
Go take your chloroquine, shorty. The Adults need some grown-up time.
“Helped infected get better” is not the same as “cured” – are you in too much of a frenzy to read carefully, or do you just lack reading comprehension?
The use of blood plasma from recovered patients has been known since 1918, and no one who’s been paying attention and staying informed, is surprised that it would be tried and could turn out to be one of many things that might help somewhat – but not a magic bullet.
April 6, 2020 at 8:17 pm
Mark this comment. Johnson will be given Hydroxychloroquine and will recover nicely
Bank on it
You mean Scott Johnson, obvs.
No dummy, Boris. Scooter has contracted COVID 19 and listened to Paul and AnonyFaker for his treatment and is now in critical condition.
Media hysteria is causing people to hoard the WRONG things to sanitize their hands.
Stop hoarding HAND SANITIZER and ANTI-BACTERIAL SOAP.
Cuz they don’t work ANY BETTER than regular SOAP.
1) Regular soap kills viruses (like coronavirus) BETTER than alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Yep. Alcohol based cleaners are NOT as effective at wrecking a virus as regular soap. So if you’re using an alcohol-based hand sanitizer, you’re getting less protection than if you were using soap.
2) Regular soap kills viruses (like coronavirus) exactly the SAME as ‘anti-bacterial’ soap —— because viruses are NOT bacteria, therefore, you get ZERO extra protection when using an ‘anti-bacterial’ soap to kill a virus).
3) Regular soap WRECKS the structure of the virus and is very effective at killing (inactivating) a virus.
QUOTE FROM ARTICLE:
Soap works better than alcohol [sanitizers] and disinfectants at destroying the structure of viruses
This is how soap removes dirt, and bacteria, from the skin.
Why does soap work so well on the new coronavirus and, indeed, most viruses? Because it is a self-assembled nanoparticle in which the weakest link is the lipid (fatty) bilayer.
That sounds scientific. Let me explain.
Soap dissolves the fat membrane, and the virus falls apart like a house of cards and “dies,” or rather, it becomes inactive as viruses aren’t really alive. Viruses can be active outside the body for hours, even days.
Disinfectants, or liquids, wipes, gels and creams containing alcohol (and soap) have a similar effect but are not as good as regular soap.
Apart from alcohol and soap, ‘antibacterial’ agents in those products don’t affect the virus structure much.
Consequently, many ‘antibacterial’ products are basically just an expensive version of soap in how they act on viruses.
Soap is the best, but alcohol wipes are good when soap is not practical or handy, for example in office reception areas.
So the next time you think of buying pallets of hand sanitizer or ‘anti-bacterial’ soap for massive prices —— just remember that you’re basically doing what a RETARD would do, because you’re not getting one iota of extra protection.
You may as well just wear a lucky rabbit’s foot —— cuz your sanitizer is serving as a false sense of extra security, when in fact regular soap is a better choice for killing the virus on your hands.
Have a nice day. 🙂
The Democratic Party Bosses will never admit that any drug is an effective treatment for the China Virus as long as they can use the epidemic as a political weapon against Trump.
California Congressman Adam Schiff is already talking about having a Congressional committee investigate Trump for his handling of the Chinese made epidemic .
Schiff already calling for 9/11-style commission on coronavirus response; Nunes decries ‘stunt’
I have been calling for an investigation into Schiff since August 2019.
He refuses to answer questions about the Humpty Dumpty Institute.
In an emergency he wants to investigate the person who is handling
the crisis. Regicide is not appreciated at any time.
Ken, since you’re on the ground there, perhaps you could investigate the reports I’m seeing from scientific and medical sources, and give us a better idea of what is going on:
56 New York Hospitals Now Treat COVID-19 Patients with Anti-malaria Drug; New Evidence Shows It’s Ineffective
There’s this new study in preprint from trials at NYU Langone, apparently the hub of hydroxychloroquine research in NYC, about the significant adverse effects of cardiac arrhythmia and the development of acute renal failure in COVID-19 patients. The severe arrhythmia rate for patients given hydroxychloroquine combination therapy was 11%:
Surely with your contacts you could find out from someone actually involved, and inform us. It looks like one of the doctors in the study is the brother of a dance teacher I know, but that’s a bit of a tenuous connection for me to really try to use to reach out.
Apparently foreign hospitals that have been trying the drugs longer, are running into those and other side effects, along with unimpressive results of effectiveness:
* FRENCH HOSPITAL STOPS HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE TREATMENT FOR COVID-19 PATIENT OVER MAJOR CARDIAC RISK
* Swedish hospitals abandon trial of promising malaria drug chloroquine for coronavirus patients after it caused them blinding headaches, vision loss and agonising cramps
A Forbes article addresses the issue of whether single-case anecodotes, as in the headline of this piece, or small and ad-hoc studies, really tell us anything useful:
‘How has it worked, to date? With only a few small studies to guide treatment, or even identify those who might most benefit, hospitals have reported mixed results. Even when COVID-19 patients recover, it’s difficult to know whether they would have done so without the medication.’
Hydroxychloroquine For COVID-19: Cure-All Or Flim-Flam?
No surprise that you would knock what works; with ‘evidence’ from China:
Similarly, a study in China showed similar results supporting Molina’s trial. The study reports that there were no changes in the patients’ conditions after a week, with or without the use of hydroxychloroquine.
As to arrythmia from CQ or HCQ, there is a poster on this site who used HCQ and he does experience arrythmia but supports CQ.
The French assertion that there is a major cardiac risk flies in the face of the fact that this drug has been used for decades.
Now all of a sudden it has a major risk? BTW, zerohedge had an article about the CQ supplies disappearing in France, so
maybe the French elite are stealing it – as they know it works – and then giving us the line about cardiac attacks?
The last assertion you make is about side effects. Yes, we knew that already. What does not have side effects?
And why, mysteriously, do the Swedes have a disproportionate amount of side effects? Why are they not across the
board, for instance, why are not the US success stories AND the French trials and all the other instances of CQ use
replete with the same side effects?
Again, AnonMaker – I think you are nothing but an evil disinformation agent used by China – whose ‘research’ you are so fond
of quoting – and that you belong in a prison. Being an unregistered foreign agent is a crime.
Boris Johnson is feeling better and his fever has eased.
He is responding to treatment and has not yet needed a ventilator of any kind.
He has not developed pueumonia and is apparently getting better by the hour.
The liberals are FUMING at this good news for Boris.
Cuz they want him to GET WORSE and DIE in order to further their political agenda of scaring the world into never reopening, LOL.
AnonyFaker is crying right now after learning that Boris is slowly healing and returning to health.
In fact, I expect him to respond to this post by claiming that Boris isn’t out of the woods yet and may still die, LOL.
Liberals are filled with ‘hate’ and it’s a shame that they can’t relax and enjoy life with ‘hope’ and ‘friendship’ —— instead of just being mindless drones parroting the latest Soros’ funded talking points, LOL.
But oh well.
Boris IS getting better and the liberals will just have to CRY and WHINE in a corner.
Have a nice day. 🙂
Boris Johnson remains in intensive care but his condition is improving and he is sitting up in his hospital bed, the chancellor has said.
Rishi Sunak said the prime minister was “engaging positively” with medical staff as he gave an update on Johnson’s condition at a press conference on Wednesday afternoon.
He said Johnson was receiving “excellent care”, adding: “The latest from the hospital is the prime minister remains in intensive care where his condition is improving.
“I can also tell you that he has been sitting up in bed and engaging positively with the clinical team.
Have a nice day. 🙂
We are NOT America. Labour voters have no problem expressing their sympathy with Boris and wishing him well. There is nothing comparable to the ignorant hatred expressed on this board. Embarrassing for you that basic human decency is so mysterious to you.
Now people are seeing the truth. Chloroquine, promoted by Trump, saves lives. CNN journalists are presumptuous to get in Trump’s face and demand answers to their inane questions.
Now smart Dems are standing up for Trump and for America.
Other Dems, who are working for China to kill all Americans, are refusing to back down.
CNN refuses to back down.
We can see who the enemy is.
And maybe soon we’ll see people commenting on my article as negatively as they can to destroy the movement towards the use
of effective treatments. Who are these people?
There is an old saying: Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
The Chinese are very adept at this, it was Sun Tzo who said this in his famous treatise,
the Art of Warfare. They know how to keep US pols and journos working for them and
killing Americans with disinformation.
Time to fight back, and use chloroquine.
Ken some of us are just people who have experience with chloroquine and dont want to see large numbers of others end up with arythmias, vision disorders, infirmities that could remain with people for life. Its not helpful to imagine everyone positing a different view to you is a chinese spy or traitor.
All medications have side effects. It is not helpful for you to constantly attack something because of your obvious bias.
Every drug has side effects, and CQ has some of the least, no record of death from it.
And NO, there is NOT a large % of side effects from CQ. My cousin gave it to his troops as a
CO in ‘Nam. His troops lived, without all these side effects you mention.
I doubt you are spy or traitor, but you are not helping the US.
Ken Gibson remarkably first appraised us of the curative power of hydroxychloroquin in its natural form — the Chichona bark — even prior to Trump’s pronouncement that it seems to work in combination with the anti-biotic Azithromycin. I’m impressed, Ken!
Makes more sense now that covid-19 *appears* to affect a younger, healthier set of the population — according to my immunologist friend.
…Will the real testing and demographic data please stand up?!
My whole support of quinine/choroquine was in answer to prayer. When this all broke, I knew that there’s a lot I can’t do –
but that we ought to be praying. At first, only Chinese were dying, and I prayed for them. The Communist Party may be an
evil enemy, but I don’t hate people in general and the Chinese workers are not my target. I feel for them living in such a system.
When I heard something about quinine/CQ, I wondered why it was not already saving lives. Maybe it was, in China, without
them telling the US. And then I sensed what was wrong. God DID answer prayer. I had not prayed that a cure would be found
and then used and we would all live happily ever after. I got what I prayed for, but man ran his fool mouth and wasted time.
Schumer had to look important, CNN reporters had to sound tough, it was an answer to prayer on one hand. So I had to pray
not just that the Lord give us a cure but that the cure WOULD NOT BE IGNORED.
Sometimes I prayed for things in one place, and a friend got the help I prayed for. Out of curiosity I asked them what time exactly
they got an answer. And I was able to see that it happened the moment I prayed. I went once to my friend’s house knowing
he would be OK. Real prayer is the answer.
But China is not going to stop. I am praying that enough people, and the right people, read what I will be posting in regards
to intel I have on China and that we CLOSE THE BORDERS TO IT AND RETAKE INDUSTRY.
Industry is going to be key, and will include of course medical supplies. At present the US does not manufacture penicillin.
Trump has a financial interest in the drug. This is Anecdotal. Trump did nothing but lie and brag for 2 months while better run countries stopped the spread- making the US the super spreader of the virus. He ran the deficit up to a trillion a year with tax cuts to billionaires now it will explode to 3-4-5 trillion more in 2020. Jared Kushner in charged when he is a buffoon like Trump. Stop lying for the con man pussy grabber Trump.
The Media Has a New Spin on Trump’s Hopes for Hydroxychloroquine
Sunny Hostin doesn’t see it that way. “The View” co-host explained on Monday that she believes the president wants to promote hydroxycholoroquine because it’s in his best financial interests.
“And let’s face it, there’s always something in it for this president when he wants to tout something,” Hostin said. “And so I’m very uncomfortable with this newfound love of hydroxychloroquine. I just don’t understand it, especially when the experts are saying that it’s not — it’s not even really approved for treatment.”
Her outlandish, unfounded claim was given credence on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” when Mika Brzezinski wondered aloud why else Trump would muzzle Dr. Anthony Fauci’s views on the drug. She encouraged her viewers to “follow the money.”
In reality, Trump has a minuscule amount of stock in an only partially related company. The New York Times admitted that in their latest “gotcha” report.
If hydroxychloroquine becomes an accepted treatment, several pharmaceutical companies stand to profit, including shareholders and senior executives with connections to the president. Mr. Trump himself has a small personal financial interest in Sanofi, the French drugmaker that makes Plaquenil, the brand-name version of hydroxychloroquine.
Fact checkers upended the NYT narrative and concluded that Trump’s financial stake in the related companies is “virtually negligible.”
Hey lil ,Davey, Brain Damage from watching the View will never heal
I hope when Joy Beher violates you with her strapon she doesn’t do any more brain damge than you already have
Morning Joe cannot be trusted. Once he urged that Americans who questioned an official narrative be sent to camps in Eastern Europe and never heard from again. And then there’s that dead woman they found in his office…he used to be a congressman. Now he’s a churnalist.
Hostin is accusing without facts. And her rant may delay the use of a drug that saves lives, in which case, she is a dangerous enemy of the people of the US.
Pray tell, what company stock does he hold?
I thought he was in the hotel and construction business.
And if he did, should we stop using it and die?
Again, if you have real info to share, share it.
Name the company in which he owns the stock.
Else the American people might think you are
stupid or a disinformation agent.
So far no one has given me any comments on this allegation that Trump is profiting from CQ.
Maybe because he is not, and if he really were, they would have posted their source from the start.