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Keith’s legal team will NEVER, EVER be authorized to use an insanity or diminished capacity defense. It’s not even a possibility that Keith would ever entertain that idea.
K. R. Claviger is correct that Keith’s ego would never allow that possibility. This is one of the few times that I actually agree with that legal-minded turd.
Guess what?
For the rest of you spectators who may disagree, here’s the straight skinny:
1) Keith’s only achievement in life is that he is Vanguard, wise leader of NXIVM and worshiped as a demigod by all Nxians.
2) Keith has nothing else in life except the power and wealth he derives from being Vanguard.
3) Vanguard is all-knowing among his supporters. He’s never wrong. He has no ‘disintegrations’. He’s a perfect human being.
4) If Keith uses an ‘insanity’ defense — either at trial or at his sentencing — his legal team would have to say that he’s a fucking nutball who really doesn’t know reality from Fantasyland. Keith’s legal team would have to call expert witnesses who testify that Keith is a fucking nutter. His own attorneys would have to argue, in open court, that he’s a crazy fucker who’s not playing with a full deck of cards. Most importantly, Keith would have to approve this defense and agree with it.
5) Once his legal team makes this argument in open court (that he’s a crazy nutball) Keith would cease being Vanguard to every follower he ever had. He could never go back to being Vanguard after that. His money from Clare Bear would be cut off forever, since how can Clare and Sara Bronfman continue supporting a guy who openly admits to being a fucking nutball?
6) His harem (i.e. his endless supply of pussy) would be gone forever if he pleads insanity. Even if he was released early from prison his pussy supply would dry up, since no girl wants to fuck a crazy nutball who no longer has money from Clare Bronfman. Girls only want him because they think he’s a demigod who might give them an avatar baby. …But who would want an avatar baby fathered by a guy who told the world he’s not right in the head?
7) MOST IMPORTANTLY: Even if convicted at trial and facing 20 years in prison, Keith will delude himself into thinking that his appeal will be successful and thus he won’t see any benefit to pleading insanity. His attorneys will likely fuel his belief that the appeal will be a successful one, since they’ll likely tell Keith that the jury was full of emotional people who ignored the law but the appellate judges will be fairer when reviewing his case.
That’s the straight skinny.
I am in the minority here:
Keith wants out of the prison system, badly. If his attorneys told him he had a good chance of beating the charges by pleading insanity, I think he would do it, “reputation” be damned. I believe that his remaining followers would “understand” that he had been forced to raise this defense to answer false charges (persecution) against him.
I don’t believe Clare would ever, ever desert him. If he were acquitted she could have more of him to herself (due to a smaller, if any, organization), and he would be even more dependent on her largesse.
If he is acquitted, while he could never again be the Vanguard he once was, he could live in the lap of luxury (courtesy of Clare), without having to work for a living. This has been his goal all along; hence his get rich quick schemes such as MLMs, gambling, and commodities trading.
Pussy? I’m sure he could still get some. If acquitted, he might attract groupies based on his notoriety.
Power? He could satisfy his obsessive need for power and domination through countless civil suits, including some for defamation.
Keith wants OUT, badly. He would do whatever it takes to once again sleep in late, order pizza with hot sauce, and have others foot the bills for his needs and comfort.
Fortunately, I doubt KR’s attorneys would ever suggest such a defense, as they would be laughed out of Court plus opening themselves up to a malpractice lawsuit. (Either way, if KR is convicted he will definitely sue them.
I agree. He can’t do it. He won’t do it. He actually believes if he’s convicted, even for life, that he is a sacrificial Lamb. That capitalization is intentional. He’s that narcissistic. Even though very deep inside somewhere within him, he knows it was all about the pussy. The other 99% of him actually believes he’s special. So, no, he would never take the insanity plea. He’ll rot in prison and remain Vanguard. We can hope at least. His true reckoning will be before God. Only then will he finally break down and confess his manipulation and sliminess, because even the Vanguard can’t fool God Himself.
I was going to cite a possible successful “Twinkie Defense” for Vanguard, then read that eating Twinkies wasn’t claimed to be the CAUSE of the murder, but was EVIDENCE of the killer’s mitigating depression.
Maybe Vanguard can claim a depression defense based on the evidence of what he was eating…pussy.
He can claim he got depressed from having all that NXIVM pussy at his disposal, but couldn’t get his cock to work.
“Catch 22” by Joseph Heller on which the M*A*S*H series was loosely based said it best. Per the US Army’s insanity discharge policy: Insanity is reason for discharge, however no insane person would ever admit they were insane. In order to be discharged one must admit they are insane. But making that admittance proves they are not insane!
Either way stinky won’t be seeing any pussy for a long, long time. I hope he enjoys the taste of jelly flavored butthole when he becomes his prisons most popular salad tosser. Que Chris Rock screaming “tossed salad man!”
This insanity defense conversation is fanciful. I’ve been practicing criminal defense exclusively since 1984, both as a prosecutor and defense attorney in state and federal courts, and I’ve never been part of a case in which it was used successfully. Under federal law, a defendant must prove insanity by clear and convincing evidence to prevail. US v. Freeman 804 F.2d 1574 (11th Cir. 1986). Often used examples of how difficult it is to prove insanity: there is a mass shooting with the shooter running through a building firing away, but the shooter spares small children or a personal friend who happens to be inside; or a con artist is careful to shield friends or family from losses. Acts like these demonstrate the defendant appreciated the consequences of their conduct, and even if they were in the midst of a psychotic break an insanity defense will fail because they made choices that showed they knew what they were doing was wrong. Raniere demonstrated time and again, from hiding his direct involvement in multiple business enterprises to fleeing to Mexico to avoid civil or criminal liability, that he knew the consequences of his conduct. His attorneys won’t pursue insanity because (1) they can’t show it in the first place, and (2) if they try it would open the door to the prosecution putting on a massive amount of evidence showing how hard he and/or his minions worked to hide his direct involvement in multiple criminal enterprises, something they might not be able to get into without an insanity defense. In other words, insanity would play into the prosecution’s hands by making him appear even less endearing than he otherwise would.
All right, you’ve been practicing “criminal defense /exclusively/ since 1984, both as a prosecutor and defense attorney in state and federal courts” ..? May I ask how exactly that worked, Mr. Voice, that is; how was it, when you practiced criminal defense, exclusively, as a prosecutor? We’re a bit confused by it.
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“Even if convicted at trial and facing 20 years in prison, Keith will delude himself into thinking that his appeal will be successful and thus he won’t see any benefit to pleading insanity.” completely agree with this astute observation. True narcissists such as Vanguard and Clare’s lawyer, Dennis K. Burke, have to live their daily lives with the shortest path to a “quick rationalization” allowing them to function while their proverbial world is crashing down. They simply have to believe whatever self-justifying theory they are working with at the moment will prevail. It’s what keeps them going. It’s what makes life livable or them. Rationalizing their own bullshit. They cannot face reality; it is too bleak.
You may be right, but I tend to disagree with you on this one. I believe that Raniere would do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, to get the hell out of the prison system, even if it takes all of what you describe. (Meaning, if his attorneys told him he had a good shot at beating the charges, he would consider it.) His remaining followers would “understand” that this wonderful man was tragically forced to raise that defense because he had been falsely charged (persecuted). Clare would never desert him and in fact might be thrilled to have more of his attention in a smaller flock. The stars in her eyes will stay.
If acquitted, he could never again be the piggish Vanguard he once was, but he could live in the lap of luxury, without working – through Clare’s money. I think that was always his main goal, anyway, which started him down the path of his get-rich-quick schemes (MLMs, gambling, commodities trading, etc.).. As a notorious criminal who beat the rap, he would attract groupies and continue to get sex. And he could satisfy his obsession for power through never ending slander lawsuits.
Fortunately, I doubt his attorneys would ever recommend that strategy, as they would be laughed out of court, subjecting them to a big fat malpractice lawsuit. If Keith is convicted, he will sue for sure.
Keith, by now, WANTS OUT. He wants to sleep in and order pizza with hot sauce. Sans garlic.
The world has become a pretty sad place. Since when is a bad childhood an excuse for comitting a crime? Quite on the contrary. If he is a psyco or insane the society needs to be protected from him even more. Imagine letting people out because they cannot distinguish between doing good or bad. This is just stupid.
FDC Willard: excellent point.
Someone should tell that to your Antifa supporting democrat buddies
Perhaps he would not lose his loyal followers though. They would justify the insanity defense as a last resort, pushed into it by the evil DOJ and stay just as loyal than admit they devoted their life and money to a nutjob. The Bronfmans haven’t dared admit any of their own mistakes. These people have devoted their lives and harmed their relationships to follow this guy and it’s highly possible whatever defense he takes, they will remain right behind him.
Natasha: That just might be the sad reality. That his followers would follow him anyway. But they won’t get that chance, because like others have said here, for one or more reasons, an insanity plea won’t happen.
Oh yes, I totally agree that would never happen!