Part 2: Agnifilo and Judge Garaufis Mix It up; Debate Raniere’s Good Intentions

This is the second in a series on the exchanges between defense attorney, Marc Agnifilo and Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis at Keith Raniere’s sentencing on October 27. These exchanges occurred while Agnifilo was making his presentation to the judge seeking leniency for his client.

In Part 1: Raniere’s Lawyer Agnifilo and Judge Garaufis Mix It up Over Raniere, we watched Agnifilo argue that Raniere had good intentions when he was with the women who now claim he abused them. We saw the judge rebut the defense attorney arguing Raniere’s sexual relationship with Camila when she was 15 and he was 45 was not well-intentioned.

It is never an equal playing field when a lawyer contests with a judge, especially when that lawyer is trying to persuade the judge to be lenient to his client. We saw Aginfilo backing down, trying to placate the judge, hoping against hope that he can make an argument that, at age 60, Raniere does not deserve life in prison, but rather a 20-year sentence.

Of course, he lost this battle. The judge sentenced Raniere to 120 years.

Agnifilo, clearly a superb lawyer, does his best with the cards he has been dealt. The judge has already made up his mind. Raniere is going to get life.  But the defense lawyer is obligated to try his best.

One of the things that should be noted is that the biggest thing Raniere might have done to try to secure leniency, but did not, was to express remorse. To admit he was wrong or evil.

If nothing else, Raniere is consistent and defiant. Maybe others would have caved and cried for mercy, but he, facing almost certain life in prison, and possibly years in solitary, would not offer any note of surrender to his captors .

This he might have done for any number of reasons.

  1. It might be because doing so would potentially destroy any chance at an appeal.
  2. It might be due to his pure arrogance, defiance, or pride.
  3. It might be that he is delusional.
  4. It might be that he actually thinks he is well-intentioned, that he did not commit these crimes of conviction for they failed in the intent element, and, therefore, he is innocent.
  5. It might be because he believes that he was trying to help them, but something went askew that was not entirely his fault.

It does not matter at this point what his perspective is. What matters is that Agnifilo could not use remorse as part of his argument for leniency. He could not say his client was sorry for anything he did. His client was not admitting he did anything illegal. And, therefore, he has no remorse for any of the crimes of conviction.

Remorse might have been the only possible argument that Agnifilo could have made that might have possibly had the remotest chance of success with the judge.

So, what we are reviewing here is not a matter in question, but rather a foregone conclusion. Raniere is getting a life sentence. Agnifilo knows it and he knows the judge knows he knows it.

In Part 2 of this series, we also gain some more insights about the judge himself, including some subtle sarcasm.

At the end of Part1,  Agnifilo had presented his argument that Raniere was well-intentioned with his students/lovers who now claim to be victims – for most of his female victims were his students as well as lovers.

The judge shut this argument down by bluntly telling Agnifilo that Raniere’s intentions with 15-year-old Camila were never good and could never be good based on him being 45 years old when he first had sex with her.

Momentarily stunned, Agnifilo goes right back to arguing about Raniere’s intentions, saying they were certainly good with the adult women. Agnifilo’s argument is that it is only recently, long after they left him, that these women have decided they are victims.

As we shall see in Part 2, the judge rebuts this by bringing up the litigation that Raniere, funded by Clare Bronfman [and her sister Sara Bronfman], waged against his victims, some of whom are former lovers and/or students.

See List of 40 Bronfman-Funded Lawsuits – She Claims They Were Meritorious – Victims Said They Were Used as Weapons to Destroy Them

In order to explain and clarify some of the context, I will make some comments, which will be [in bold and brackets.]

Judge Garuafis is referred to as THE COURT.

Raniere is in the courtroom, seated at the defense table, facing the judge. Most of the victims who spoke are also still in the courtroom.

THE COURT: I am not going to tolerate spending time as to what his intent was when he seduced a 15-year-old girl [Camila].  We are not going there. It is just — it is an insult of the intelligence of anyone who listens.  And I just want you to understand, I am not tolerating it. So go on.

AGNIFILO: The point I’m trying to make, Judge, is he did a lot of good things in his life.  That’s at the heart of a ‘3553 factor.’

[Federal statute 18 § U.S.C. 3553, states the court must consider certain factors in determining a defendant’s sentence. These are deterrence, protection of the public, rehabilitation and punishment, and to promote respect for the law while reflecting the seriousness of the offense.]

He did a lot of good things to the curriculum. I’m sure Your Honor read all of the letters we submitted from people who still support him and believed in what he is doing.  And they are not flying monkeys.  They’re nice people.  They’re good people, just like the people who have decided to leave NXIVM and have a different view.

They’re all nice people. They’re all people who wanted to improve themselves and to improve humanity.  That’s who they all are, including the people who wrote those letters saying that all the wonderful things that he did, all of the wonderful things he did with the community.

The Tourette’s project, we have letters on that, Judge. We have letters from people who had Tourette’s, and who no longer suffer from the — from the effects of Tourette’s, and they credit the — Keith Raniere and Nancy’s [Salzman] work in that regard.  And that’s what they say. They wrote these letters to the Court, and I think that’s a very important factor.

From the film My Tourette’s, which follows the stories of five Tourette’s sufferers who found relief or cure of Tourette’s through the teachings of Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman [l].
Another factor, and we go through this in our sentencing memorandum, is the Mexican Peace Initiative. The Mexican Peace Initiative, we have letters from certain people who lived in Mexico who have first-hand information about the work that Keith Raniere and others did to try and stop the kidnappings in Mexico, including someone who lived in a small, rundown, poor community in Mexico for a period of 18 months and tried to show this small town in Mexico that they could sort of organize a community and take care of each other and live together and make their lives better.

And this was all inspired by Keith Raniere.

And my point, Judge, and I think it’s an important point, I think it’s a very important point, just what we had this morning, is that people believed in this work. They believed in him, and now they [the victims who spoke] feel betrayed. And now they look back at what happened back then through a different lens, and I don’t think it’s accurate, is my point.

I don’t want to — I’m not going to get into the details. I don’t know that every statement that was made this morning to Your Honor was factually correct.  I don’t think they all were.  And so we don’t need to dissect each one, because the important thing is this is how these people feel. But my point is they don’t feel this because Mr. Raniere was cruel to them at the time.  They view him as having been cruel now.  That’s what –

THE COURT:  Well, that is not entirely accurate. It may be that some of what they say is erroneous, it may be insincere, it may be excessive, or it may be untrue. But what about the situation where your client used the financial resources of a multimillionaire [Clare Bronfman – and factually her sister, Sara Bronfman-Igtet] to go after in litigation many people who had no resources in order to destroy their reputation, to have them declare bankruptcy, to have them put in jail because they would not go along with his approach to the way the world should work, the way NXIVM should work, the way these programs should work?

And he and Ms. Bronfman chased them down wherever they were, in the State of Washington, in Mexico, or wherever they happened to be — or Florida. According to these victims they were being not only harassed, they were being further victimized because of the fact that they did not continue to be interested in the program.  That was then. That is not now.  Some of it [the litigation] may be continuing. But what about that?

MR. AGNIFILO:   I — I —

Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis

THE COURT:  He was using — according to them, and clearly she was in a position, Ms. Bronfman, was in a position to provide the resources to do it, he was using those tools, the use of lawyers, and the use of proceedings to victimize people who felt at the time, they realized or believed, that they were being victimized, you know, what about that?

AGNIFILO: Okay.

THE COURT: He [Raniere] didn’t just say to these people, ‘You know, I did my best with you. I tried to help you. Go with God.’ He did not do that.  What he did was he went after them.

AGNIFILO: I have a response.

THE COURT: Yeah, I am waiting.

AGNIFILO: So, in May of 2017, and I don’t need to name names, because I named them in my sentencing memorandum —

THE COURT: You can name names.

AGNIFILO: Sarah Edmondson and two other people broke into the NXIVM computer from Vancouver. We have the data. We have the information.  And, apparently, Clare Bronfman went to Vancouver and tried to bring a criminal investigation for computer tampering.

THE COURT: Well, do you mean —

AGNIFILO: — because there was computer tampering.

THE COURT: [this looks like beautiful sarcasm]— something like what was arranged for Daniela to create the malware to break into Edgar Bronfman’s computer [at Raniere’s command]? That kind of —

AGNIFILO: No.

THE COURT:  — that kind of behavior? Is that the same idea?

AGNIFILO: No, it’s not the same idea. I think the idea was that Sarah didn’t want her friends or certain people she cared about to stay in NXIVM, and so she went into the computer and she eliminated – she changed the computer files so that their credit cards wouldn’t be billed. I mean, it’s very specific information, you know. And at the end of the day, Vancouver did or did not, you know, bring an investigation and certainly didn’t bring any charges. So that’s what happened with that.

[Agnifilo is focused on a single incident among the dozens of cases where Bronfman and Raniere went after adversaries either civilly or criminally or both. No charges were filed against Edmondson, despite Bronfman making a criminal complaint.]

What happened with the information that was NXIVM’s information that people got when they took the courses is it was published on a website [Frank Report], and that might be a violation of intellectual property rights.

And there was a long litigation, we discussed it at the trial at length, and that was something that happened because they reasonably believed — lawyers, with good lawyers — and one thing that I want to add that Kristin Keeffe in her letter to Your Honor mentioned someone named Steve Coffey. [Raniere and Bronfman’s very well-connected Albany lawyer].

Steve Coffey was a lawyer, an independent lawyer, a highly regarded lawyer, at a law firm in Albany [O’Connell and Aronowitz] and, former, I think, Albany County prosecutor and he made a lot of these decisions. [about who to sue and how to sue them.]

I mean, this is not, you know, Clare on her own or Keith on his own [deciding to sue people].  Do I think personally that they would have benefitted by adult lawyer supervision at the time? Yeah, I do.

[Agnifilo is blaming Steve Coffey for not being ‘an adult’ and encouraging Keith and Clare to pursue more lawsuits than they should have, because he should have known better, he should have put the brakes on them.]

Stephen R. Coffey’s law firm billed millions of dollars for representing Clare Bronfman, Nxivm, and Keith Raniere in numerous lawsuits.

I think they [Raniere and Bronfman] could have really benefitted from adult lawyer supervision. And say [Agnifilo means an ‘adult,’ honest, ethical lawyer should have said to Coffey and the other lawyers for Bronfman-Raniere], “You know what? You guys are burning a lot midnight oil over a lot of stuff that doesn’t matter, and you’re creating a lot of problems.”

[At this point Judge Garaufis can hear no more. He has to shut down Agnifilo for he knows a little bit himself about how lawyers work.]

THE COURT: And what the client does — pardon me, if I exercise my independent judgment here — what a client does if a lawyer says that and the client just wants to harass and attack and has the resources to do it, that lawyer — that client goes and finds a lawyer who will do it, because there’s got to be a lawyer out there who is willing to take the money, take the fee, and will do what the client wants and not exercise independent judgment. That’s just the way of the world.

So, you know, I think it’s naïve to say that adult lawyer supervision might prevail.  Not if you are a — not if you’re someone with a lot of money and you are looking to harass somebody with legal process, which may or may not be justified.  Some of it may be justified. I am not saying it is not or it is.

But it is pretty hard for some lawyers to turn down a retainer from a multimillionaire, someone with deep pockets who wants to go after somebody because he or she feels he has been wronged or he wants to get back at them. We could discuss this all day. So let’s go on.

AGNIFILO: Okay.

[That issue did not go well for the defense.]

THE COURT: So the next issue.

[Agnifilo does not move on to the next issue, but continues to argue that the litigation that sought to destroy Raniere’s enemies – formerly his lovers and students – was partially justified as a self-defense measure.]

AGNIFILO: Yes, Judge. I think part of the reason that happened [the many, many lawsuits initiated by Raniere and funded by the Bronfman sisters] is I think this [Nxivm] community felt like it was being attacked. And what we — I think we saw in some of the trial evidence is we saw Keith and Kristin [Keeffe] for a while because we had their emails, and Keith and Clare for a while because we have some of their emails; what appears to be reasonably believing that people are trying to undo them.

[There was trial evidence submitted of emails of Raniere, Keeffe, Bronfman and Emiliano Salinas discussing the need to spy on various people, including federal judges, reporters, consultants, Nxivm critics, former Nxivm members and Raniere lovers, because Raniere said there was a conspiracy against him, to destroy him and deprive them of justice. He wanted to find out the bank accounts of these people to show, he said, that they had been bribed. The Bronfman sisters hired and paid a Canadian private investigation firm, Canaprobe, about $1 million. It turned out that Canaprobe defrauded them, giving them phony reports about the bank accounts of federal judges and others. The Bronfman sisters wound up suing Canaprobe. Sara and Clare were never charged for illegally spying on federal judges and others. Steve Coffey’s firm handled some of the spying, using the Canaprobe firm, it has been alleged, to avoid US laws against invasion of privacy. This writer is one of the numerous people who was spied on. See a list of some of the people Bronfman-Raniere spied on with Canaprobe here.]

You now, there might be an aspect of paranoia to it. There might be. I mean, some of that I felt was showcased in the evidence. There were times when Keith thought people were following him or outside his house or whatnot.

[It is not known if there really were people after Raniere.  Kristin Keeffe said that he made up these stories to justify his spying on others, the filing of criminal complaints, and the relentless civil litigation. She said his purpose was to keep everyone in Nxivm concerned and worried about him, and to foster feelings of doing anything to be protective for him, convinced he was the victim and that his goodness and purity were the natural enemy of evildoers in the world.]

So, you know, yes, I think they were looking to protect themselves.

Do I think they brought too much litigation? Absolutely. But, you know, here we are all these years later.  So I don’t know that that, you know, is really — one of the factors I think is the most important for sentencing.

[With this remark, Agnifilo concluded his argument on the litigation being justified. Overall, this did not go over well, it seems, with the judge. But there was little Agnifilo could do.

As we remarked before, the judge had it well settled in his mind that Raniere’s relationship with 15-year-old Camila was obscene, and his lawsuits against his former lovers, students, and business associates belied any argument that Raniere was well-intentioned. 

So far, Agnifilo was unable to persuade the judge that Raniere deserved any leniency at all. And we see the spectacle of the judge debating and debunking Agnifilo’s arguments as he makes them, one by one.

However, as we shall see in the next part of this series, Agnifilo will make an argument that no one has ever made on behalf of Raniere before. He will actually speak about what he thinks is a deep psychological deficiency in Raniere, something I am quite certain Raniere did not approve. Stay tuned.]   

 

 

 

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[…] In Part 2: Agnifilo and Judge Garaufis Mix It up; Debate Raniere’s Good Intentions, the judge brings up Keith and Clare Bronfman’s litigious nature and argues that this was not well-intended either. Aginfilo does his best to rebut it. […]

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Dear Agony,

I think I’ve fallen in love with Judge Garaufis. Is there any hope for me?

Nice Guy
Nice Guy
3 years ago

Frank-

I enjoyed the read thank you!

Jane Smith
Jane Smith
3 years ago

The judge didn’t let any of this get past him – very good. The argument is used by cults and others all the time – let us pretend XYZ did not happen (here that no one was objecting at the time) and if we say it an awful lot in a very loud voice people will believe us. Well this judge didn’t believe it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Raniere’s rant and threats, together with the Nxivm five brought up those 120 years.

Pandora'sJF
Pandora'sJF
3 years ago

If Agnifilo was such a great lawyer, then why didn’t he make the chain of custody on the laptop photos an issue, the constant issue, and basically refuse to stop mentioning it?

The NXIVM leftovers are saying there should be a retrial because of this and Agnifilo doesn’t mention it. Why? Did he see it as a non-issue because of Cami’s statement?

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Pandora'sJF

Agnifilo probably saw the chain of custody issue as a non-issue because it is a non-issue. LOL

Just sayin'
Just sayin'
3 years ago
Reply to  Pandora'sJF

It’s a non issue. It’s only an issue to the leftovers because they’re grasping at straws.

Fool me Not
Fool me Not
3 years ago

It’s interesting to read, ” NXIVM felt like it was being attacked.”

However, Raniere openly marketed himself as a scientist.

Scientific theory “gets attacked”–all the time, by peer review, to prove theories correct or incorrect. It’s the foundation of science.

NXIVM felt it was “getting attacked” when peers questioned his science.

In my opinion, he’s no scientist at all if he cannot accept criticism.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Fool me Not

Raniere barely graduated, let alone became a scientist. lOL

Karl Popper Is My Spirit Animal
Karl Popper Is My Spirit Animal
3 years ago
Reply to  Fool me Not

Spot on.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

Agnifilo’s argument is rooted in the idea that the victims didn’t think that they were being victimized at the time. So what? People who are defrauded in the past but only come to know after the fact are similar. How the victim views the situation at the time is irrelevant to the question of whether the perpetrator committed illegal actions or abusive actions or not based on the particular standard in question. The former is subjective and the latter is objective. People who are emotionally abused for their entire lives or a long time might never see such abuse as abnormal until someone qualified like a psychologist or a counselor who is aware of such informs them of it.

L
L
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’d like to share something here as illustration of what you said. I would not characterize it as abuse directed at me, but someone sure as hell was victimized.

(TRIGGER WARNING – I have shared no names, but you may not want to read if you know me personally)

As many readers here know, I was Keith’s girlfriend for a few years. I left him a long time ago because he was abusive to me – when the lease on our apartment was up, I moved out to my own place and considered the relationship dissolved. Many years later (2011), James Odato contacted me to discuss Keith Raniere. In the course of our discussions, it became clear that Raniere had raped a friend of mine when she was 14 or 15 years old. And in discussions with Odato and that friend, it became clear that this had been done in my bedroom, on my bed in that last apartment that I shared with Raniere. I was horrified.

Fast forward to 2018 when the FBI put out a call for information on Raniere. I replied to them, fully expecting them to say that my information on Raniere was of no use to them. I was wrong – they wanted to know about long term, continuing patterns of abuse especially in regards to statute of limitations on criminal behavior. During my conversations with the FBI, it became clear that my young friend was raped in my room, on my bed, ON THE VERY DAY I MOVED OUT on Raniere. As I was hauling my stuff to my new apartment, he was victimizing my young friend on the bare mattress I had left behind. To say that I was even more horrified is underwhelming. As irrational as it may sound now, right then in 2018 – decades after the fact – I felt responsible for setting him off because I left. I cannot change the fact that that monster raped my friend, and I can’t change the fact that he did it the day I left him – on my bed, not even on his own. But I can continue to fight to keep myself grounded in knowing that HE was responsible for his criminal and reprehensible behavior – not ME.

That’s how abuse is discovered “after the fact”. When you are dealing with a lying, manipulative psychopath like Raniere, you can’t necessarily know all that’s going on. When the secrets come out, it is still traumatizing whether it happened 10 years ago or just last week.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  L

That’s why Raniere is where he is supposed to be and why he received the sentence he did. He is an arrogant pissant who violated the rights of too many people, the Universe was watching, and it gave him everything he deserved for the “human” debt he collected. He can rot in prison for all I care.

Paul
Paul
3 years ago

I suspect that Raniere has finally come to the conclusion that he will never get out of prison, and is now more concerned about his ‘legacy’ and place in history. Perhaps he sees himself as a misunderstood genius, as some do Wilhelm Reich. He wants to have a continuing media profile and to be a continuing topic of debate, no matter how negatively perceived.

Narcissistic supply.

“Don’t forget about me.”

“Pay me attention.”

Bellevue & Broadway
Bellevue & Broadway
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Exactly Dr. Paul! I think the man’s greatest fear is being forgotten – he wants to be remembered for ‘being great and doing great things’, none of which he did or has done, but in his mind he’s a legend and wants the entire world to remember that while he’s wastinng away in Super Max.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

Raniere is too much of a narcissist to think he will never get out of prison – that won’t happen for a few years when he appeals get rejected, assuming he lives that long. LOL

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Paul

And why do you connect him with Wilhelm Reich? He at least did not have a cult, and if his theories were true or not, you can have your opinion but the story says that the FBI was investigating him and I don’t think it was because of something that was just “nonsense”

NFW
NFW
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Didn’t Willhelm Reich write both ‘The Mass Psychology of Facism’ which was to all intents and purposes a brilliant critique of Soviet/Maoist communism AND the third reich, and ‘Listen, Little Man’? A book KR would do well to learn from.

I read Paul’s statement as positing an equivalence between KR and Reich, but I definitely don’t agree that there is one. Both W. Reich’s books are seminal, quite excellent and certainly still relevant- imo. Whereas, the literary output of KR? Depends on the quality of whichever poor slave was [ghost] writing the ‘book reports’ at the time. His published work? – Ivy Nevares. Much like the famous IQ test – Karen Unterreiner and The sisters Hutchinson?

Cilantro
Cilantro
3 years ago

“And my point, Judge, and I think it’s an important point, I think it’s a very important point, just what we had this morning, is that people believed in this work. They believed in him, and now they [the victims who spoke] feel betrayed. And now they look back at what happened back then through a different lens, and I don’t think it’s accurate, is my point.”

I made a long comment on another post about this, and when I hit ‘post comment’, the page refreshed and I lost it.  What it said, and this references it, is that I think Keith means the betrayal is in reference to himself.  All roads lead to Keith and that is his only perspective. His whole enterprise was set up to avoid betrayal and all those that revealed his secrets betrayed him, from his perspective. 

“I don’t want to — I’m not going to get into the details. I don’t know that every statement that was made this morning to Your Honor was factually correct.  I don’t think they all were.  And so we don’t need to dissect each one, because the important thing is this is how these people feel. But my point is they don’t feel this because Mr. Raniere was cruel to them at the time.  They view him as having been cruel now.  That’s what –”

This appears a different way for you or I, if we look at it from face value.  Nothing Keith or Agnifilo says is meant at face value.  How both operate is to change the perspective while discussing one subject, to infer or gaslight the intended target into subtly believing what is said, without perceiving the device that changed it.  Agnifilo is talking about the deceit and betrayal of those that told the truth about Keith.  He couldn’t refute any of the points he suggests are lies, because it would solidify the things that were truthful as fact. It would be a road map to the truth, and that’s not a good defense. He’s also using NXIVM ideology (More of Keith’s crib notes) in the focus on feelings as a detriment to fact, the unimportance of their feelings in reference to the facts, because that’s on them, they’re in charge of their own feelings, right? 

“AGNIFILO: No, it’s not the same idea. I think the idea was that Sarah didn’t want her friends or certain people she cared about to stay in NXIVM, and so she went into the computer and she eliminated – she changed the computer files so that their credit cards wouldn’t be billed. I mean, it’s very specific information, you know. And at the end of the day, Vancouver did or did not, you know, bring an investigation and certainly didn’t bring any charges. So that’s what happened with that.”

This is the first ethical act of Sarah Edmondson that I can point to. There are few, and none are associated with NXIVM. 

“I mean, this is not, you know, Clare on her own or Keith on his own [deciding to sue people].  Do I think personally that they would have benefitted by adult lawyer supervision at the time? Yeah, I do. ” 

Steven R. Coffey of O’Connell and Aronowitz, is a maggot packed festering diaper.  Maggots fall out of his mouth as he speaks, and he leaves a trail of slime wherever he goes.  Disbarment hearings should at least happen for this shit bag, though I’d strive for criminal negligence and accessory charges. Agnifilo did refer to him as a “good lawyer”.  Again, what does “good” mean to him?  So far as I can tell it means an evil person that puts on a good face. 

“You now, there might be an aspect of paranoia to it. There might be. I mean, some of that I felt was showcased in the evidence. There were times when Keith thought people were following him or outside his house or whatnot.”

More grandiosity from Keith. More deflection in violation of the plebs standard in NXIVM, that tool is only reserved for Keith. Agnifilo is arguing for innocence, on the premise that he’s not responsible for his feelings of paranoia and or the ferocity of past litigation, all the while skirting the language that his client won’t let him use.  This is the art of gaslighting. 

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

“ Another factor, and we go through this in our sentencing memorandum, is the Mexican Peace Initiative. The Mexican Peace Initiative, we have letters from certain people who lived in Mexico who have first-hand information about the work that Keith Raniere and others did to try and stop the kidnappings in Mexico, including someone who lived in a small, rundown, poor community in Mexico for a period of 18 months and tried to show this small town in Mexico that they could sort of organize a community and take care of each other and live together and make their lives better.
And this was all inspired by Keith Raniere.”

Nope, it was done by others. Keith didn’t invent communal self-governance. That’s how our species survived for thousands of years. Nor is Keith is an Anarchist, he practices Feudalism.

This is more of the White Savior mentality Keith and Mark are so fond of.

The type of NXVIM misogyny is exactly the mentality in Mexico that is fueling femicide. Is he going to bring about peace by making humanitarian slave owners and happier more compliant rape and murder victims dying for a good and noble cause?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/magazine-37612083

Agnifilo is using “they” to refer to a singular person with Tourette’s. I suppose if pressed, he’d say that the one person identifies as “non-binary”, to make it truthier.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

( Keith is no Anarchist, he practices Feudalism.)

Can you fix that for me, it will drive me crazy.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

You are so right about that.

Paul
Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I’d like to know if any of these self-proclaimed Tourette’s sufferers were ever actually officially diagnosed with Tourette’s by a Neurologist. Lots have people have tics, but not all of them have Tourette’s.

Cilantro
Cilantro
3 years ago
Cilantro
Cilantro
3 years ago
Reply to  Cilantro

I don’t know where that came from, it was meant to be this.

https://imgflip.com/i/4oni1l

Nancy Durkin
Nancy Durkin
3 years ago
Reply to  Cilantro

Sweet. Nor do nice people litigate others into oblivion and try to get them arrested on false charges. They don’t condone human branding, either.

CaffeinatedAlison
CaffeinatedAlison
3 years ago

“Do I think personally that they would have benefitted by adult lawyer supervision at the time? Yeah, I do.”

Oh, dear.

I wonder what the psychological deficiency will be. My armchair opinion on KR is that fear of abandonment due to the illness and death of his mother motivated him to go to great lengths to try to discourage and/or stop people from leaving him. I think that’s also partly why he maintained multiple girlfriends. He was afraid to completely invest in one woman since if that one left him, he could face total ego annihilation.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago

I think your armchair psychoanalysis is about as close to an accurate interpretation as we’ll ever get. His father left the family and his mother checked out leaving KR alone. We don’t know what their relationship was like, but we can surmise there was poor parental bonding which led KR to develop antisocial characteristics of psychopathy.

Paul
Paul
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

He’s probably not been officially diagnosed with anything, unless the judge referred him for psychiatric evaluation, and the diagnosis would only be made after several sessions, if he fulfils the diagnostic criteria for a particular disorder in the DSM V. My guess is that he’s undiagnosed, and will remain so.

TotallyWiredAlison
TotallyWiredAlison
3 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

I happened to listen to this clip from a licensed clinical psychologist on Youtube (I have no idea otherwise about who she is or what her background is) and it made me think of Clare Bronfman:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j0Ut9eDesI

[People with avoidant personality disorder are] not willing to get involved unless they’re sure they’re going to be accepted…there is a danger to that because sometimes it’s easy for someone to manipulate them, trick them, or toy with them…they may find someone who is willing to accept them because they want to get something from them, [such as] money or something else like that. And so, in those cases, someone almost feels like it’s a guarantee, “Come into our cult!” and you can come be with us and we all love you. You can see where that vulnerability is…everyone’s liking them no matter what. You can see how it’s really a setup for falling into some kind of dangerous and expensive situation with people who actually don’t have their best interests at heart and could be very emotionally manipulative.”

Natashka
Natashka
3 years ago

I look forward to hearing what Agnifilo’s psychological assessment is of KR. Everything NXIVM accuse of others, they have done themselves and more at some point. It is going on to this day now with the FBI and evidence tampering/planting.

Were the sisters successful in their suing of Canaprobe?

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 years ago
Reply to  Natashka

No, the Bronfmans were not successful against Canaprobe – they apparently “forgot” they asked the company to do something that is illegal. LOL

Clifton Parker
Clifton Parker
3 years ago
Reply to  Natashka

Actually, this will be KR’s psychological assessment of KR — Agnifilo will only be spewing the words.

Fool me Not
Fool me Not
3 years ago

I have to say: Agnifilo is doing an amazing job with what he has. He’s quick, experienced, and knows how to pivot.

But this judge is even more AMAZING. He’s got Raniere’s number and he’s not letting go.

Cilantro
Cilantro
3 years ago
Reply to  Fool me Not

It’s like watching a West Side Story fight scene. It’s a thrill to watch the choreography even though you know how it’s going to end.

Snorlax
Snorlax
3 years ago
Reply to  Cilantro

Kiethy dies, Saltzman lies.

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