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Bangkok Calls Fraud on Raniere’s Judo Claims – Says He Is a Fighting Coward

08/25/2022  |  Frank Parlato
Bangkok Calls Fraud on Raniere’s Judo Claims – Says He Is a Fighting Coward
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USP Tucson sent Keith Alan Raniere to the Special Housing Unit because he was in a fight. on or about July 25.

It is unknown how the fight started or who was to blame. It did not last long. In fact, there may have been only one blow landed. According to our sources, an inmate sucker punched him shortly after the TNT Rich and Shameless episode The Heiress and the Sex Cult aired and was shown on TV sets in the prison.

I was a consulting producer of the one-hour episode, and it featured Raniere and his relationship with Clare Bronfman.

This incident prompted John Tighe to write a post about the SHU and Raniere’s potential fate.

Tighe suggested Raniere could be transferred from Tucson due to his various actions, including suing the prison.

This in turn prompted Bangkok to write about Tighe’s post, the prisons, and Raniere’s ability to defend himself.

By Bangkok

Thanks for sharing, John.

Always interesting to hear how things are inside American’s horrible prisons.

But I disagree that Keith will be found at fault (for this fight) or that he’ll be transferred away from Tucson.

Keith is a pussy, and there’s no way he started that fight.

At MDC, Frank reported inmates picked on Keith on multiple occasions, without him ever fighting back.

More likely, the dude who punched him will be found at fault and transferred.

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As an aside — Pea Onyu once talked about Keith’s legendary judo skills helping him in prison fights.

However… Keith’s ‘judo champion’ title isn’t helping him in prison fights.

Keith was “East Coast Judo Champion” at age 12, he says. LOL.

For those who don’t know — 12 year olds don’t compete in ‘real’ judo (they’re not allowed to do submission holds, arm locks, chokes, dangerous throws, etc).

Keith defeats an opponent.Keith defeats an opponent.

Keith training in his dojo.Keith training in his dojo.

In real judo, you can break your opponent’s arm (via arm locks) or choke them unconscious during a match, and it’s perfectly within the rules (assuming they don’t first ‘submit’ by tapping out). But 12 year olds are too young to do any of that.

Also… There are several dangerous ‘throws’ which 12 year olds aren’t yet allowed to do.

12 year olds don’t practice REAL judo, it’s more of a modified ‘kiddie’ judo.

Also, 12 year olds only compete against other 11 or 12 year olds in competition, not against adults. It’s a special ‘kiddie’ division, with different age limits (i.e., 9-10, 11-12, etc).

Also, most 12 year olds compete at the white/yellow belt level (or possibly orange) —– which is basically just a ‘beginner’ level.

At every local judo competition, there are many winners from various ‘kiddie’ divisions and different age groups.

Therefore… Keith is among thousands of other kids who’ve won local judo competitions on the East Coast — while competing against other kiddies in the lower divisions (using ‘kiddie judo’, not real judo).

It’s hardly an accomplishment to brag about as an adult.

I wonder if Isaac Edwards would agree with this assessment.

Frank, can you ask Isaac Edwards to comment on Keith’s judo claims? Or am I asking too much of you?

Keith Raniere [left] said he won the East Coast Judo Championship when he was 11.Keith Raniere [left] said he won the East Coast Judo Championship when he was 11.

Keith-Raniere-Website-Bio-Screenshot-2011-02-25Keith Raniere's website biography as it appeared in 2011, at the now-defunct KeithRaniere.com

Keith Raniere’s website biography, as it appeared in 2011, at the now-defunct KeithRaniere.com

Keith-Raniere-Website-Bio-Screenshot-2005-03-07A screenshot of Keith's bio on KeithRaniere.com in 2005

A screenshot of Keith’s bio on KeithRaniere.com in 2005

Bangkok, I do not need to ask Isaac. In his 2005 bio, on keithraniere.com, it clearly states: “At the age of eleven, he was an Eastern Coast Judo Champion.”

In his 2011 bio, also on keithraniere.com, it states: “Applying this skill to athletics, Keith Raniere excelled in judo and was an East Coast Judo Champion at age eleven.”

From what the plain language of the bios state, Raniere won two different championships, the Eastern Coast Judo Champion and the East Coast Judo Champion within the same year – 1971.

Raniere was 51 when the second bio was published. He was a leader of a company with a 12 point mission statement that talked about changing the world.

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It is inconceivable that Raniere would mention a mere children’s tournament as a major accomplishment.

If you look at all his other accomplishments in his bio – they are all in the context of advanced accomplishments. For instance, he played “piano at a concert level by age 12.”

Winning a simple tournament with kids his own age – at yellow or white belt level – is not something a grown man would cite as a major accomplishment.

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Keith Raniere competed against adult men like these men, according to his bio.

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The bigger they are, the harder they fall, is a motto Keith Raniere believed in.

Playing concert level piano at age 12 is not like playing with the skills of other 12 year olds.

No, it is Carnegie Hall ready.

This prodigy astounded everyone with his preteen skills.  And, if he says he was East Coast and Eastern Coast Judo Champion – it means he fought against adults and put them in submission holds, and threw them around like so many rag dolls. And if needed, he could choke out or knock an opponent unconscious.

It means he defeated men – not children.

You’re all washed up Bangkok, and you know it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments (33)

  • AnonymousAugust 25, 2022
    Suneel boasts that he took Clare Bronfman to the bathroom. Is that an accomplishment to boast about, or does it just depend on the person you did it to? Why even mention something like that?
    • Benji CarverAugust 25, 2022
      Suneel thought the judge would go easy on Clare if he knew that she let Suneel wipe her filthy bottom. Yeah, I got nothing either.
  • AnonymousAugust 25, 2022
    Yiu acr like Gus. Dude ain't tuff
  • Aristotle’s SausageAugust 25, 2022
    Now THAT’S word salad!

    What else would you expect from a journal called “Symbolic Interaction“?

    The social sciences are infested with this kind of Postmodern nonsense. Ten thousand words of gobbledygook to say precisely nothing. Loaded up with professional jargon past the point of comprehensibility, it might as well have been written by a computer program combining random nouns, verbs, and adjectives. (In fact this has been done. In peer reviewed academic journals. See Alan Sokol).
    • AlanzoAugust 25, 2022
      “postmodern” lol

      Just admit that you don't understand it, A.T.

      Otherwise, explain and critique, for and against, what a “good indicator” is in Scientology. Show us you understand it. Include data from outside of this article, too, to prove that you are not just an ignorant and dismissive blowhard.

      Alanzo
      • Frank ParlatoAugust 26, 2022
        Alanzo – Aristotle's Sausage is one of my favorite commenters. He disagrees with me on almost everything. But he makes intelligent arguments. This fosters debate and the robust exchange of ideas. I do not think he is a dismissive blowhard. He is a thoughtful commenter with his own opinions.

        Just the opposite of a blowhard. I suggest you debate Aristotle with civility, and we may all learn something.
        • NutjobAugust 26, 2022
          Aristotle doesn't typically debate. He prefers turtling when his concrete beliefs are questioned.
        • AlanzoAugust 26, 2022
          Frank wrote:

          “But he [Aristotle's Sausage] makes intelligent arguments. This fosters debate and the robust exchange of ideas. I do not think he is a dismissive blowhard.

          Why do 100% of his arguments simplistically dismiss anything and everything about minority religions & subcultures then?

          I asked him about “good indicators” in Scientology, one very simple idea to show that he knows nothing about the subject he is commenting on so dismissively.

          Let him prove then that he is not just a dismissive blowhard, that he really does make “intelligent arguments” and is a “thoughtful commenter” as you claim.

          Watch what happens, Frank.

          Alanzo
    • RuvianaAugust 25, 2022
      Symbolic interaction was waaay before postmodernism. Too bad the commenter had to post like 15 copies of the article.
  • Aristotle’s SausageAugust 25, 2022
    Raniere’s claimed accomplishments are of course pure bullshit.

    It’s interesting the kinds of things he boasted about though. They’re all pussy sports. He didn’t brag about playing football. Or wrestling. He didn’t claim he could bench press 420 when he was a kid.

    No, it’s all pussy sports. Judo where you get to wear a prissy short robe like your sister, and “earn” colorful sashes. (That one stuck, the pretty sashes would became a big deal in Nxivm)

    Table tennis. Fuckin’ ping pong. Volleyball. VOLLEYBALL??! The girls summer camp game?? He bragged about this…

    Cycling. Yeah that’s a sport to boast about. Real man stuff. Riding your Schwinn down to your friend’s house to brag about your judo trophy.

    Diving? Like in a pool? Christ.

    I’m surprised the creep didn’t add figure skating to his list of fairy sports. I bet the little bastard could’ve twirled like the dickens.
    • AnonymousAugust 25, 2022
      Well Judo is a man's sport. It's used all the time in MMA. But everything else, I agree with.
    • AnonymousAugust 25, 2022
      Lance Armstrong might disagree
      • Aristotle’s SausageAugust 27, 2022
        Yeah Lance Armstrong is a real pillar of virtue. Cheated and lied about it for decades. Then had all his medals revoked.

        He and Raniere are two of a kind.
    • NutjobAugust 26, 2022
      Just cause you suck at darts, pool, ping pong, foosball, bowling, air hockey, pacman, beer pong, and cornhole doesn't mean they're “fairy” sports. While the rest of the boys were playing kickball in elementary school, where you playing “princess” with the girls?

      In addition, nice post. I laughed and agree with the overall point.
  • Miss WhiteAugust 25, 2022
    2019 Keith Raniere slips in toilet water while practicing Judo at night inside MDC Brooklyn NY.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/B8UliSIBFNu/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
  • DonAugust 25, 2022
    Very interesting.
  • George McBlackAugust 25, 2022
    Alright Mr. Parlato,

    I have the set of questions ready.

    Mr. Patriot God, if you are here and can read this. I would love interview you in anticipation of the impending release of your upcoming series of articles hopefully coming out very soon after this interview that many are excited to read so that readers can get to know you better and what you’re about before their release.

    With that being said, I would like you to read and answer these set of questions that I will post following this message and post them back answered on here. We may have more questions coming afterwards based on what you say and possibly what other readers would like to ask you, if you are willing to answer them of course. But this I hope will be a very good start and I hope these are interesting questions that I have compiled from many readers and their interactions with you overtime, including Mr. Parlato himself.

    These are some hard-hitting questions that many people would like to know and I hope that you will thoroughly answer them. I have asked Mr. Parlato not to censor your answers and to let you speak freely. I sincerely hope he does so that we can have real journalism via the 1st Amendment in this country again. And through this demonstrate what journalism should be like.

    Would you kindly please answer these questions and have an interview with me?

    I would greatly appreciate it!

    Please and thank you and I greatly look forward to hearing from you.

    Thank you!
    • jerabeknominAugust 26, 2022
      Woow. I hope Frank will be speak! ❤️
      • Frank ParlatoAugust 27, 2022
        Mr. McBlack does not want me to speak. He wants to interview himself.
    • 🇺🇸💪🏻✊🏻👑 Patriot God 👑 ✊🏻💪🏻🇺🇸August 27, 2022
      Dear George,

      I will GLADLY take up your offer for an interview!

      Finally! Somebody on ol’ Ginzo’s website that has some respect!

      You better accurately represent me and not be a sensational idiot like Ginzo does!

      Send me the Q/A here and I will answer them!

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      ✊🏻 IF WE BELIEVE!!!!!! ✊🏻

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      • Frank ParlatoAugust 27, 2022
        Patriot God, that's mighty white of you.
        • 🇺🇸💪🏻✊🏻👑 Patriot God 👑 ✊🏻💪🏻🇺🇸August 28, 2022
          “Patriot God, that’s mighty white of you.”

          And that mighty nigger of you to interpret it that way and say, Ginzo!

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          ✊🏻 IF WE BELIEVE!!!!!! ✊🏻

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          ✊🏻 THERE’S A BETTER WAY! ✊🏻

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      • George McBlackAugust 27, 2022
        I have already sent it.

        For some reason Mr. Parlato hasn’t posted it yet.

        Mr. Parlato, please post up my Q/A for Mr. Patriot God.

        Thank you kindly.
        • Frank ParlatoAugust 28, 2022
          Patriot God is getting a little rambunctious, and maybe it is a bit thick this time – but I plan to publish it – with my comments added as well.
          • George McBlackAugust 28, 2022
            Mr. Parlato,

            Please post my Q/A on here so that he can answer the questions.
          • 🇺🇸💪🏻✊🏻👑 Patriot God 👑 ✊🏻💪🏻🇺🇸August 28, 2022
            “Patriot God is getting a little rambunctious”.

            Dear Ginzo,

            You’re uppity ass is the one to talk about “rambunctious” when your guido ass is unconstitutionally a reporter in a country that doesn’t belong to you while you blatantly and flippantly blaspheme the 1st Amendment and rob the true inheritors of this country their rights that their ancestors paid for in their blood like you wink at down here in Exhibit A👇🏻

            Exhibit A: “and maybe it is a bit thick this time”

            Who cares if it’s “thick”?! I understand you have a small wrinkly old guido nigger dick and anything “long” or “thick” intimidates you and makes you feel insecure, but that still doesn’t give you the right to steal our freedom of speech from us because anything bigger than an inch threatens your ego! That’s what therapy is for, Ginzo! Why don’t you actually practice what you preach for once and check yourself into a mental hospital to get YOUR mental illness’s in check!

            “but I plan to publish it – with my comments added as well.”

            NO! YOU IDIOT! WE DON’T WANT ANY DUMB GUIDO COMMENTS FOR YOU! STOP ALWAYS TRYING TO HAVE THE LIME LIGHT AND GET BACK INTO YOUR GODDAMN CAGE, YOU GODDAMN LOW I.Q. FREAK!!!!! YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY MEANINGFUL OTHER THAN TO PURPOSELY BE A NUISANCE! THAT’S WHY WE SAID NO COMMENTS FROM YOU! WHAT PART OF THAT DID YOUR TINY GENETICALLY INFERIOR GUIDO BRAIN NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?!

            Good God! Usually it only takes one order to a nigger and if he doesn’t get it right the first time, a few lashes on the back helps jumpstart their clunkered brains start working again for a little bit before it breaks down!

            But you!…….. YOU are an exceptional lower than average level level of nigger stupid that is near impossible to come across! We need to study Ginzo’s like you for the benefit of the of the scientific advancement of The Great White Race! Then those “comments” pertaining to you in science will actually be something worthy of serving a purpose FOR ONCE!

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          • George McBlackAugust 28, 2022
            Mr. Parlato,

            Do you understand that I sent a Q/A sheet on this comment board for for you to post up on this page in the comments section for Patriot God to read and answer and post back?

            Why haven’t you posted that Q/A?

            Also, you agreed that you wouldn’t speak when you said,

            “Mr. McBlack does not want me to speak. He wants to interview himself.“

            With all due respect, Mr. Parlato,

            I am trying to use this opportunity for unbiased journalism. You have been given several chances to be fair to Mr. Patriot God and all that you do is delay posting up his articles and strain that delay as long as you can and then when you finally post it, you misrepresent what he says, you are extremely intellectually lazy and and reckless with the information, and you essentially set him (and others) up with a stage with a cane to trip them up and yank them off afterwards.

            My goal is to allow the full performance (so to speak) without any interruption or Tom foolery.

            You are not an unbiased journalist, Mr. Parlato. Your job is to be a microphone and so that the people can hear and decide for themselves the message and instead, you manipulate that duty you have by changing the tones and words of people that you don’t like, cut off/deny certain points of debate to be made, and add unwanted music or other illustrations in a performance that you’re only supposed amplify so that the people can decide and discuss (so to speak).

            I’m using theatrical terms in order to better articulate this, I’m not accusing anybody of a performance (expect Mr. Parlato) in regards to the things that believe or say. But Mr. Parlato sensationalizes everything for attention and that’s not what true journalism in this country was supposed to be.

            So with all due respect, Mr. Parlato, you are a liability and I’m quite shocked you are not sued more than you have been for defamation/libel slander because you sensationalize everything and are completely reckless.

            So with being said, just post up my Q/A for Mr. Patriot God and stay of out of this outside of that and don’t put up comments or set people up to fall in anyway shape, form, or manner! It’s up to the people to digest, decide, and discuss/debate without you setting your readers up to think what you want them to by your childish games of cane-tripping and cane-yanking!

            Thank you kindly.
  • ShadowState1958August 25, 2022
    Breaking Jeffrey Epstein News

    Years ago Epstein was involved with a Ponzi Scheme scammer named Steven Hoffenberg

    Some people, including Hoffenberg, believe that some of Epstein's wealth came from Hoffenberg.

    In other words Epstein scammed his partner in crime Hoffenberg.

    From the UK's Daily Mail.

    BREAKING NEWS: Jeffrey Epstein associate and one-time New York Post owner Steven Hoffenberg is found dead in his Connecticut apartment aged 77

    Steven Hoffenberg's decomposing body was found on the floor of his bedroom in Derby, Connecticut, yesterday

    Police tell DailyMail.com the 77-year-old had been dead for a week already

    There were no visible signs of injury to his body but a cause of death remains unconfirmed

    Hoffenberg served 18 years in prison for a Ponzi scheme which he claimed Jeffrey Epstein masterminded

    Hoffenberg briefly funded The New York Post, saving it from bankruptcy in 1993

    He was only in charge for three months before he was pushed out

    Hoffenberg ran the scandal-ridden Towers Financial Corp

    In his later years, Hoffenberg tried to repay his victims and he phoned some of them from prison

    By JENNIFER SMITH, CHIEF REPORTER FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

    PUBLISHED: 13:48 EDT, 25 August 2022 | UPDATED: 14:43 EDT, 25 August 2022

    Steven Hoffenberg, one of Jeffrey Epstein's associates and the one-time owner of The New York Post, has died at the age of 77, DailyMail.com can reveal.

    Police were called to his Hoffenberg's home in Derby, Connecticut, yesterday by a concerned friend.

    They found Hoffenberg him lying on the floor of his bedroom.

    His body was so decomposed that police believe he had been there for at least a week. A medical examiner is now using his dental records to make an identification.

    Hoffenberg rose to notoriety in the 1990s with his scandal-ridden Towers Financial Corp, a firm he ran with Epstein and the vehicle in which swindled $460million out of 200 victims.

    He spent 18 years in prison for the crimes and emerged a changed man who befriended Epstein's victims.

    DailyMail.com can reveal that it was Maria Farmer, the first woman to accuse Epstein of misconduct to police, who called the police asking them to check on Hoffenberg.

    'Hoff was one of my dearest friends on earth, more like a father than my own father ever was to me. He lived in kindness, always giving what little he had, never asking for anything.

    'This man was beyond incredible and a dear friend to survivors of Epstein… as he was also,' Maria told DailyMail.com after his death.

    A police source however told DailyMail.com they are 'extremely confident' it is Hoffenberg.

    A formal identification is expected in the next few days and will be announced via the Derby Police Facebook page.

    Hoffenberg is a colorful New York character who is best known for trying to 'save' The New York Post from bankruptcy in the early 1990s, and for his ill-fated partnership with Epstein.

    He invested millions in the flailing Post to stop it from shuttering and ran it for a period of a few months in 1993.

    The newspaper was sold to him in desperation by Peter Kalikow, another millionaire and fixture on the New York social scene who ran it into disrepair and financial ruin.

    Hoffenberg wasn't a popular choice as a boss.

    In March 1993, after just three months in charge, he was pushed out by Abraham Hirschfeld, who he'd brought in with his deep pockets when the SEC froze his own assets amid an investigation into fraud.

    Epstein was never charged, but he is understood to have made millions from it.

    Speaking in 2019, he told The Washington Post that it was Epstein who masterminded the scheme that he spent years in prison for.

    'I thought Jeffrey was the best hustler on two feet. Talent, charisma, genius, criminal mastermind. We had a thing that could make a lot of money. We called it Ponzi,' he said, calling Epstein the 'architect' of the scam.

    In 1995, he pleaded guilty to defrauding investors out of $420million.

    They had bought bonds from his company, Hoffenberg’s Towers Financial Corp, which Epstein worked for.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11146555/Jeffrey-Epstein-associate-Steven-Hoffenberg-dead-Connecticut-apartment-aged-77.html
  • AnonymousAugust 25, 2022
    Funny fact: the man who created the Guniess Book of World Record's (Keith Raniere's claim to genius but not timed or observed version of a mail in & now widely debunked) “IQ Test” frequently exaggerated his own IQ.
  • AnonymousAugust 26, 2022
    Frank Report

    Raniere Falls Injuring Wrist While Practicing Midnight Karate After Cell Flooded With Backed-up Toilet

    October 19, 2019

    [ … ]

    Down Goes Vanguard

    As it turns out, that wrist injury came about when The Vanguard slipped on the floor in his cell while he was stretching and practicing karate in the middle of the night.

    [ … ]

    https://frankreport.com/2019/10/19/raniere-falls-injuring-wrist-while-practicing-midnight-karate-after-cell-flooded-with-backed-up-toilet/
  • Klaus VanUrineAugust 26, 2022
    Miss White, that was his own piss. Not toilet water. But again numb nuts would get it to the face and think it’s raining. Cuck Raniere.
  • PyrielAugust 26, 2022
    Happy Birthday Vanguard! Today, in my part of the UK, a hosepipe ban was imposed. At least it won't last as long as your hosepipe ban.
  • Love me, hate me, but never ignore meAugust 27, 2022
    Once you realise how a narcissist's mind works, it becomes so predictable that you can only laugh at it.

    KR won a judo competiton at 11. Still trots out the same bs 30 years later. Meghan Markle wrote to a soap company (part of a class project) at age 11. Still trots out this bs 30 years later, even though her 'influence' on the matter has been debunked (P&G nor anyone she wrote to ever acknowledged her letter, let alone act on it).

    KR is going to save humanity; MM will modernise the British Royal Family and/or break the internet and feed the billions single-handedly.

    KR fell; he didn't just have a fall, like a mere mortal; he was practicing judo, didn't you know. MM's recollection of a smoking heater becomes 'a fire in a 'housing unit' (i.e. a 'shack') that could have hurt my baby who wasn't even near it.

    It seems narcs start early – and may well be a combination of predisposition and upbringing (doting and/or absent parent(s)), so their behaviour may not entirely be their conscious choice.

    Their grandiosity seems to be fuelled by a pathological need for adulation and control at all costs: me, me, me and my way and they will not shy from anything to remain in control of that facade they built up because underneath there's … nothing. Hence the endless lawsuits from both KR and MM, for example, another parallel.

    By the way, they're impervious to mockery and irony and generally dismiss it as proof that 'haters' hate their 'greatness' and are 'jealous'.

    Best to starve narcissist of their fuel: attention, but difficult to do as in most cases, they're like a slow-motion car crash you can't keep your eyes from … and they themselves will give you constant material to work with. Look at the Amber Heard trial, for example.

    Fading away quietly is never an option narcs will ever consider, however bad the publicity or backlash. “love me, hate me, but never ignore me”. So the KR saga is set to continue for the next 118 years. What fun.

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