In this next chapter in our series of Cami and Keith texts, we find a text written by Keith to Camila that she does not respond to.
It was read to the jury in the trial of Raniere.
Sept. 4, 2014
1:32 am- Keith: It is such a painful, bittersweet thing… The truth of our life together that could have been made real yet now us forever a secret and nullified… I love you so much… I am so proud to have been your husband for 8.75 years… And shared a home for 4… Yet I am also so heartbroken.
The prosecution used this text to prove he started a sexual relationship with Camila when she was 15. and Raniere was 45.
Raniere says he has been her husband for 8.75 years. 8.75 years is pretty precise. If the text is dated correctly, that brings the date of their relationship to January 4, 2006.
On Jan 4, 2006, Camila would have been 15 years and ten months old. Camila was born on March 1, 1990.
Camila said at the sentencing of Raniere that they first had sex on September 18, 2005, which was considered their anniversary.
There is a three-month, 12-day discrepancy if the date of September 18, 2005 is correct and Keith was accurate in his text.
It was actually not 8.75 years. It was nine years.
As far as the time they shared a home; he says 4 – which is either four months or four years. It is neither. If the date of September 4, 2014 is accurate, it is three years and two months. Kathy Russell rented 120 Victory Way for Camila in July 2011, according to testimony at the trial of Raniere. It was not four years that they shared a home together as of September 4, 2014.
Before that, Camila lived at 12 Wilton Court with her mother, father, sister Daniela, and brother Adrien, whose nickname was Fluffy.
Calling it a home they shared together is a misnomer. It was her townhome, and he would spend five or six hours a week there, primarily in one-hour installments.
It is possible that Keith was wrong about his dates or that Cami is wrong about her starting date of September 18. If Raniere was spot on and it was four years they shared a home, then the date of this text should be July 1, 2015, not September 4, 2014.
Going back 8.75 years from July 1, 2015 would make the date of their “marriage” October 1, 2006. Cami would have been 16 and seven months.
It is illegal in New York State to have sex with someone under 17. It is also illegal, per federal law, to take nude photos of anyone under 18 or to possess pictures of anyone under 18.
Raniere would still have been guilty of sexual exploitation and possession of child porn had Camila been 16 instead of 15, but some of the moral outrage would be gone.
In American culture, there is a difference between 15 and 16. 15 is a child, 16 is the age of consent in more than half the states. Our culture is replete with 16 being a coming of age.
For instance, take these songs:
- Johnny Burnette – You’re Sixteen You’re Beautiful
- Sam Cooke – She Was Only 16
- Ronnie Milsap – Happy Happy Birthday Baby
- Ringo Starr – You’re Sixteen You’re Beautiful
- Lenny Gomulka – Happy Birthday Sweet 16
- The Crests – Sixteen Candles
- Neil Sedaka – Happy Birthday Sweet 16
- Hilary Duff – Sweet Sixteen
- The Jackson 5 – Sixteen Candles
- Billy Idol – Sweet Sixteen
- Billy Ray Cyrus – Always Sixteen
- Connie Stevens – Sixteen Reasons
- Britney Spears – I’m Not A Girl Not A Woman Yet
- Jordan Hill – Remember Me This Way
- Sound of Music – Sixteen going on Seventeen
- The Beatles – Sweet Little Sixteen
There are no songs about love and a 15-year-old that I know of.
I say this only to point out that if perchance it was misdated and Camila was 16, while legally it is still the same crime, the moral outrage is less. Yes, I know, it is reprehensible for a 46-year-old man to have sex with a 16-year-old girl, especially when he is the leader of her community and she is an employee, but juries are unpredictable. They might not have seen it nearly as bad if she were 16.
But 15 that’s a killer.
By the way, I am not doubting Camila. She said she was 15 [and seven months], and I believe she would remember the date.
Let us put the text in context with other texts before and after.
After midnight
Sept. 1, 2014
12:32 am- Keith: Are you up?
12:33 am – Camila: Going down
12:33 am- Keith: Want a kiss?
12:34 am- Camila: Yes
12:36 am- Keith: Be there shortly…
They meet at the townhouse.
Evening
9:28 pm – Keith: No comment yet from my luscious little pussy?
9:28 pm – Camila: emoji
9:29 pm – Keith: emoji
9:29 pm – Camila: emoji
9:29 pm – Camila: emoji
9:29 pm – Camila: I love that cock
9:30 pm – Camila: I mean rooster…
9:30 pm – Keith: Six emojis
9:31 pm – Camila: What are you doing? I was just thinking of you
9:32 pm – Keith: Going into Simply Human [the NXIVM a cappella singing group he managed] meeting now…
9:33 pm – Camila: I’ll think of you
9:33 pm – Camila: [Will you] Think of me?
9:33 pm – Camila: I love you
9:33 pm – Camila: I can still feel you.
9:33 pm – Keith: emoji
An hour passes
10:31 pm – Keith: My pussy, no more texts? Going to volleyball now… Wanna cum? {Keith and NXIVM members played volleyball at the nearby Sports Barn.]
10:32 pm – Camila: You are on my mind.
10:32 pm – Camila: Are you asking me to come to volleyball?
10:33 pm – Camila: Or did you just want to type “cum”?
10:33 pm – Keith: Cum… Yum…
10:35 pm – Keith: Will you have some awake time for me later? [after Volleyball]
10:36 pm – Camila: Yes
10:41 pm – Keith: Make it so you can be awake at 2 am…
10:42 pm – Camila: Ok
10:45 pm – Keith: Read articles? {this is almost certainly an assignment he gave her to read articles he wrote so that she could understand his philosophy.]
10:46 pm – Camila: Yes
Keith played volleyball and now is ready to see Cami.
Sept. 2, 2014
1:59 am- Keith: Up???
1:57 am- Camila: Yes
2:01 am- Keith: Any interest in seeing me?
2:00 am- Camila: Of course! That’s why I’m up
They meet
The following day she texts him about their meeting today.
11:38 am- Camila: Hey, love
11:38 am- Camila: I will be more like 12:30
11:38 am- Camila: Is that okay?
11:47 am- Keith: Ready now… Going home to rest…
11:48 am- Camila: Should I wait for you to wake?
11:49 am- Keith: No… I want you there as soon as possible… [at the townhouse]
11:50 am- Camila: Ok
11:50 am- Keith: When do you think? [you will be there]
11:51 am- Camila: 12:30
11:51 am- Keith: Had to stay late with kids? [referencing her job as a Rainbow nanny]
12:00 pm – Keith: Is that the reason?
12:07 pm – Keith:?
12:07 pm – Camila: Yes
They meet.
Evening
7:10 pm – Camila: Hi love
7:10 pm – Camila: U up?
7:35 pm – Keith: Yes… I’ll be back soon?
7:35 pm – Camila: Yes 🙂
After midnight
Sept. 3, 2014
12:13 am- Camila: How are things? How are you?
12:14 am- Keith: Coming home soon… How are we?
12:15 am- Camila: How soon?
12:15 am- Keith: Do you need me to wait? Also my question?
12:15 am- Camila: I’m still in pain but a little better
12:16 am- Keith: Do you need time? How are we?
12:16 am- Camila: A little time
12:17 am- Camila: We are good. I need about 20 minutes
12:17 am- Camila: Are you at Pam’s? [2 Flintlock]
12:18 am- Keith: Yes… We are how good?
12:18 am- Camila: Does she have something for pain I could use?
12:18 am- Keith: Maybe… I’ll check…
12:20 am- Keith: Is there something about we you are not saying?
12:21 am- Camila: Not at all
12:21 am- Camila: We are good. I’d say very good
12:21 am- Keith: Pam is looking… Do you have anything in mind?
12:22 am- Keith: How can we get to heroic good?
12:23 am- Camila: I am worried about not being able to make the necessary shifts [to think of him as the heroic lover]
12:24 am- Keith: Can you tell me one in particular?
12:26 am- Keith: She only has Advil and cal/mag…
12:26 am- Camila: Don’t know the latter. Advil is fine
12:28 am- Keith: And my last question?
12:36 am- Camila: What does it mean if there is traces of blood or maybe tissue in my urine?
12:37 am- Keith: UTI=bladder infection…
12:37 am- Camila: I’m avoiding the internet…
12:38 am- Keith: Why?
12:38 am- Camila: Because there are
12:38 am- Keith:?
12:41 am- Keith: Are you ready for me? Will you answer my question when I’m there?
12:41 am- Camila: Sure
12:42 am- Camila: I am in some pain
They meet
Early morning Barbara Jeske died. He texted Camila
5:31 am- Keith: Barbara Jeske passed away 5:28sm EST…
Afternoon
2:55 pm – Camila: Hi love
2:56 pm – Camila: I’ve been thinking of you all day
2:56 pm – Camila: Crying a bit
2:56 pm – Camila: I can’t imagine how you must feel [about his longtime harem member, Barbara Jeske, dying.]
2:57 pm – Keith: Hi my love… See you after 5…
2:57 pm – Camila: Yes
2:58 pm – Camila: How are you?
5:16 pm – Keith: When is the earliest you are home?
5:18 pm – Camila: When is the earliest you would want me home?
5:21 pm – Keith: Don’t know yet… I can let you know… But the more you’re home, the more you can make it home… And the more articles you can read… Is there a reason you want to be away [from the townhouse at Victory]?
5:22 pm – Camila: I wanted to put things away and leave things as I found them here at Wilton [her old home in Knox Woods where she used to live with her family. Keith had rented the townhouse on Victory three years ago in June.]
5:23 pm – Keith: Ok… I’ll let you know…
6:16 pm – Camila: ETA?
6:58 pm – Camila: Are you okay?
6:59 pm – Camila: Do you still want me to wait for you?
7:26 pm – Keith: Yes… Coming very soon…
He came over.
9:43 pm – Keith: I’m going to volleyball… Monkey [Camila’s sister Mariana] is not… Are you staying home and reading [his articles] amongst other things or…
9:44 pm – Camila: Yes. I’ll keep the nest [the townhome] warm
9:44 pm – Camila: Until what time is volleyball?
9:44 pm – Camila: If I find a ride I might go
9:45 pm – Keith: [referring to her comment that she will keep the nest warm] Your cunt? Emoji
9:45 pm – Keith: The nest…
9:45 pm – Camila: emoji
9:45 pm – Camila: emoji
9:46 pm – Keith: Karen is here… See you maybe soon…
9:46 pm – Camila: Ok
9:46 pm – Camila: Vball? [has two meanings, volleyball and Vanguard-ball]
9:46 pm – Camila: Time?
9:46 pm – Keith: 12:30 or so… Depending on breaks…
9:46 pm – Camila: Ok… Let me see.
9:47 pm – Camila: Can’t promise anything, though
After midnight
Sept. 4, 2014
1:32 am- Keith: It is such a painful, bittersweet thing… The truth of our life together that could have been made real yet now us [is] forever a secret and nullified… I love you so much… I am so proud to have been your husband for 8.75 years… And shared a home for 4… Yet I am also so heartbroken.
1:47 am- Keith: When are you home?
1:57 am- Camila: Home now
1:57 am- Camila: What’s your plan?
1:57 am- Keith: Want me to come?
1:57 am- Camila: Now?
1:57 am- Keith: Yes.
1:58 am- Camila: Do you mind if I do a quick cycle? [riding her bike for exercise – 2 am is a strange time to ride a bike.]
1:58 am- Keith: I don’t think I have time to wait…
2:00 am- Camila: Ok, then…
He comes over, then leaves
3:37 am- Keith: Since I’ve been loving you…
3:38 am- Keith: kCxkxatD6aQ
3:39 am- Camila:?
3:39 am- Keith: I know you probably won’t figure that out … I guess you’ll have to ask…
3:39 am- Keith: You still up?
3:42 am – Camila: I woke up
3:43 am- Keith: Sorry… I’ve been very sad… I’ll see you tomorrow… Will leave [8] Hale now… [His executive library where the hard drive with her photos was seized.]
3:45 am- Camila: R u coming over?
3:46 am- Keith: I can… But I don’t want to disturb you… I literally am outside Hale now…
3:47 am- Camila: Come
He comes over
Morning
10:48 am- Camila: Good morning, love
10:49 am- Camila: How are you?
11:37 am- Keith: [are you] Home?
11:40 am – Camila: Ok
11:40 am – Camila: Home soon
11:40 am – Camila: Do you want me to run into you?
11:43 am – Keith: Ok… In a few minutes…
Three hours later
2:41 pm – Camila: Hey u
2:41 pm – Camila: Any problems?
2:42 pm – Camila: I saw Pam [Cafritz] and Goz [Karen, her nickname was Gozer] were outside Flintlock [where they live]
3:56 pm – Keith: No, not that I know…
4:38 pm – Keith: Carrot? [meaning he wants sex]
Evening
8:02 pm – Keith: [sends Cami a link to the lyrics of the Led Zeppelin song, Since I’ve Been Loving You]
8:04 pm – Camila: Where u be?
8:05 pm – Camila: What’s ur plan?
8:12 pm – Camila: Do you feel the lyrics express how you feel?
8:13 pm – Keith: Not really… Both you and I wanted to know what the fuck he was saying emoji
8:13 pm – Camila: Haha. True
8:14 pm – Camila: What r u up to?
8:14 pm – Camila: Walked by your house.
8:14 pm – Camila: [correcting herself] Well, Flintlock [meaning that Keith’s actual house was her townhouse on Victory Way]
8:15 pm – Keith: The very beginning of that version of the [Led Zeppelin] song… Before he starts singing… The guitar phrasing is quite beautiful…
8:15 pm – Camila: If you put together a band…..
8:16 pm – Camila: Can I be your groupie?? emoji
8:17 pm – Keith: My only [groupie]! Well… Maybe Gozer…
8:18 pm – Camila: I’m okay with that.
8:18 pm – Camila: Plan?
8:18 pm – Camila: Cycling in 3
8:19 pm – Camila: 2
8:19 pm – Camila: 1
8:19 pm – Camila: emoji
8:21 pm – Keith: What’s your schedule? Cycling takes hours…
8:22 pm – Camila: emoji I’m pretty sure I just found the emoticon for a vibrator. emoji
8:22 pm – Camila: emoji. Or this one
8:23 pm – Camila: am I bothering you?
8:23 pm – Camila: Sorry
8:24 pm – Camila: I am back from class
8:24 pm – Camila: Clear skies ahead
8:24 pm – Keith: You aren’t bothering me! Schedule?
8:27 pm – Keith: What does clear skies ahead mean? Emoji?
8:27 pm – Camila: I don’t have anything scheduled for the night. I am free!
8:28 pm – Camila: emoji
8:29 pm – Camila: This flower looks like the giants over at #26
8:29 pm – Camila: No?
8:29 pm – Camila: They still have so many!
8:29 pm – Camila: ….
8:29 pm – Camila: Hmmm
8:29 pm – Camila: What are you doing tonight?
8:30 pm – Camila: Wanna go on a mission?
8:31 pm – Camila: emoji
8:32 pm – Keith: Yup… Don’t know my schedule yet… Will let you know… Reading [his articles]?
8:32 pm – Camila: I will
8:33 pm – Keith: Other progress with our love?
8:51 pm – Keith: Our love progress?
8:54 pm – Camila: I don’t know how to answer. We are good. What I sometimes think [I am] is doing to bring us in the right direction you tend to maintain the idea that nothing is being done…
8:55 pm – Camila: I think we are moving forward
9:08 pm – Keith: It’s not that I think it’s not moving… I just think the more extreme and visible the effort, the better our chances… And the better chance the markers will be reached… I just ask if you’re truly putting forth full effort as if we were going to die… Because we might…
9:22 pm – Keith: Coming now… [to see her]
9:22 pm – Camila: Whaaaa?
9:23 pm – Camila: [joking] What kind of heads up is this?
9:23 pm – Keith: Escaped…
9:23 pm – Camila: Oh boy
9:24 pm – Keith: 😕
9:24 pm – Camila: Hahaha
9:24 pm – Camila: I don’t remember typing that. I was thinking out loud
9:25 pm – Keith: Typing what?
9:26 pm – Camila: “oh boy”
9:26 pm – Keith: Do you want me?
9:28 pm – Keith: ?
9:28 pm – Camila: Of course, it will just be under uncomfortable circumstances
He comes over and stays about an hour.
10:42 pm – Keith: If the Sun refused to shine…
10:54 pm – Keith: ?
10:59 pm – Camila: My new favorite
11:00 pm – Camila: We will walk the miles…
Sept. 5, 2014
7:19 am – Keith: My love, what’s your schedule today?
9:27 am – Keith: ?
9:26 am – Camila: Up now
9:26 am – Camila: 10-1 [working]
9:27 am – Camila: And 2-6
9:28 am – Keith: Want me to stop by? [for a quickie]
9:27 am – Camila: You can
9:27 am – Camila: Trying to get out the door, though
He comes by for a quick visit. She is less than fully attentive. After he leaves, he texts her
10:13 am – Keith: I am truly sad when you are grumpy…
10:12 am – Camila: Oh my love!
10:12 am – Camila: I am sorry
10:12 am – Camila: There was no grump in our goodbye and our kiss, though
10:16 am – Keith: Yes… The grumpy thing is sad because it is a manifestation of being controlled by the body… That which destroyed us…
10:34 am – Camila: I will be better
10:34 am – Camila: I was fighting it
11:30 am – Keith: I am thinking of Barbara {Jeske who just died] … I am reminded of a verse from a song I learned in the Waldorf School in 6th grade… The childhood of Hiawatha… Hiawatha asked about the nature of a rainbow, the answer was: Tis the heaven of flowers you see there; all the wild-flowers of the forest all the lilies of the prairie, when on earth they fade and perish, blossom in that heaven above us.
Almost an hour passes, then Cami texts
12:20 pm – Camila: That is beautiful
12:21 pm – Camila: How are you?
12:30 pm – Camila: Can I ask you something silly?
12:30 pm – Camila: What’s your favorite dish and dessert?
12:43 pm – Camila: What’s your plan today? Wanna meet?
12:45 pm – Camila: I want to go to vball [volleyball – also called Vanguard or V-ball] tonight
12:45 pm – Camila: Is that okay with you?
1:34 pm – Keith: Yes… This evening might be good… I love you so!
1:33 pm – Camila: I am excited
1:33 pm – Camila: I love you
1:33 pm – Camila: I Miss you
1:34 pm – Camila: I want to be with you
An hour and a half pass, then Keith texts
3:04 pm – Keith: Is there something new that brought this excitement?
3:05 pm – Camila: Yes and no
3:06 pm – Camila: My question?
3:06 pm – Camila: Favorite food?
4:24 pm – Keith: Yes. Not sure… On food… Lasagna? Let me think a little especially for dessert… My question?
4:38 pm – Camila: Which?
4:39 pm – Keith: Volleyball yes. Lasagna likely. Dessert not sure. You, forever.
4:40 pm – Camila: Boston creme pie? I’ve heard rumors [that Keith likes that pie]
4:44 pm – Keith: That’s one of the possibilities… And you… [as in eating her, i.e., cunnilingus.]
4:44 pm – Camila: I’m serious!!!
4:48 pm – Keith: So am I, but giving you an “in-depth” answer… Those are my favorite things to eat…
4:50 pm – Camila: We just have to travel a few miles to Boston for me to turn into your favorite dessert… Get it? emoji‚
4:53 pm – Keith: emoji
4:53 pm – Camila: emoji
4:53 pm – Camila: emoji
4:54 pm – Keith: But you are my favorite… Boston wants to come here to better itself on my list!
4:54 pm – Keith: To be like you…
5:32 pm – Keith: And my question? [about her new excitement for him.] Emoji
5:46 pm – Keith: ?…
5:47 pm – Camila: Which one?
5:47 pm – Keith: Something new…
5:47 pm – Camila: I said yes and no
5:52 pm – Keith: Oh! I didn’t get that! What’s the yes, and what’s the no?
6:10 pm – Keith: Don’t write until I say it’s ok… But you didn’t answer…emoji
More than an hour passes.
7:33 pm – Keith: You can respond… To my question and I may come home now/soon… Ok? [go to Victory Way]
7:42 pm – Camila: I just received this
7:42 pm – Camila: ETA?
Almost half an hour passes.
8:11 pm – Camila: ?
8:11 pm – Camila: U still coming?
8:24 pm – Keith: Now
He comes over
After midnight
Sept. 6, 2014
1:30 am – Keith: What happened? emoji
1:36 am – Camila: It was too late and I got nervous about riding my bike so late.
1:49 am – Camila: What r u up to?
1:52 am – Keith: I will probably come home [to her house] later… I was sad you were not there… I don’t think you understand what I said earlier… I feel destined to be in this alone…
1:57 am – Keith: ?
1:57 am – Camila: I was going to comment when you got home
1:58 am – Keith: Ok… Good, bad, neutral?
1:58 am – Camila: Neutral
1:59 am – Camila: I don’t want you to feel alone
2:00 am – Keith: For me, neutral is like death at this point…
2:00 am – Camila: Not neutral, then
2:01 am – Keith: How does it change so fast?
2:01 am – Camila: It doesn’t
2:02 am – Camila: It’s a matter of interpretation
2:02 am – Keith: How could that be? emoji
2:03 am – Camila: Omg [Oh My God], seriously, it is no big deal. I said neutral to be modest
2:05 am – Keith: Please don’t be rough… To me this is so serious… As much as I can love, so this is serious…
2:05 am – Camila: Me, too, love
2:06 am – Keith: Robbie was there tonight yet I still longed for you… [meaning that despite his rival Robbie being where Keith was, he still wanted Cami.]
2:06 am – Keith: Ok… I’ll hopefully see you later! I love you so!!!
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To repeat the critical text:
Sept. 4, 2014: 1:32 am- Keith: It is such a painful, bittersweet thing… The truth of our life together that could have been made real yet now us [is] forever a secret and nullified… I love you so much… I am so proud to have been your husband for 8.75 years… And shared a home for 4… Yet I am also so heartbroken.
Supporters of Raniere say the prosecution may have planted this text. It is ‘out of the blue,’ they say. They say this was not the mood he was in at the time.
He is chipper about their relationship, and they see each other frequently. He was sad about Barbara Jeske dying but not about Camila.
And, they say, Camila does not reply. This is uncharacteristic of her.
I make no judgment, and it may be irrelevant.
I am told there are two versions of the texts—Cami’s version, acquired by the government, and Raniere’s version.
I am told that Cami was known to delete texts.
I am trying to obtain a copy of Raniere’s version, which may be altered, just as they say the government’s one was altered.
It might be easy to prove. Let’s see if the supporters will provide a copy.
It would be interesting to compare the two versions.
See our earlier posts on the texts between Cami and Keith.
Keith Pushes Camila to Give Up Conventional Life & Join His Harem – Unseen Texts #3
Does anyone know where Frank can get another dead horse?
I have just obtained the original copies that Raniere sent to Cami and I think there is some very interesting new discoveries. But let’s see if the horse gets up and rides.
At 15, I thought I would die of unrequited love for my gym coach — hell, the whole squad felt the same way, we laid traps and snares all the time… until he took each of us aside sat us down produced a photo of his fiance and told each of us that he hoped we would find someone when we were older that would love us as much.
Why does this simple act of appropriate kindness sound like a bid for f*cking sainthood these days?
NFW
Love your comment!
Thank you!
Mr. Colonel!
Ginzo blocked our words in the other article! Are you still there, Mr. Colonel, sir?!………
Alanzo made a grand pronouncement tonight on Twitter:
“Human bodies with penises on them are male.” -Alanzo
Alanzo continues to amaze me with his infinite wisdom.
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He actually said it! Exactly what we all knew to be true, but were to afraid to say .
I’m still here, Patriot! 😁
Oh boy! I’m so glad that you didn’t leave Mr. Colonel, sir! Top of the evening and a salute to you sir! 🫡
Eddie’s! 🫡
Howdy, Billy Newman!
Are you a good boy and hate niggers?!……… 😁
Col. A question. Do you consider me a nigger?
Frank-
The new forum format is not working correctly and is a little screwy. Too many crinks.
Tell the web guy, I’m pissed!
What’s different? I thought it was fixed
It’s working now! 👍🏼
Frank!
You agreed to get the new system that would let you post, edit, reply, and delete instantaneously and you did this shit again instead?! WTF?!
I am trying to improve the comment section, and I am hoping to consult with Col. Ludlow to ensure that freedom of speech is carefully safeguarded.
That’s randomly sarcastic! What does that clown have to do with me?!
I exposed Patriot God and Col. Ludlow as phonies!
F’ckers are a philosophizing A’hole Aristotle twat burg! Florists make me sick!!!! Panzi girlie men?!!! With the mangina’s They are nazi666 commies from the Electric Red Son God. I called that Mother F’ers bluff!!!
I issued the call of battle he did not heed my call from my bully pulpit perch above the retinue of cursed evil you heaven commie Nazis from hangar 18!!!!!!! I am the last warrior and true son of liberty.
I’d not yield! I do not bend! I do not waiver!!!!!!! F’cker wanted a war! The war is here bitches!!!!! Can I get’a AHEM!!!!! The hand of the righteous will be made strong by the hand of the almighty!!!!!!!!
Question…..
What is stronger: Steel or flesh?!?!?
Answer: Flesh is stronger boy what is Steele, but the hand that wields it!!!!
Tomorrow I expose you fake assssss! Bitches!!!! Parlato AND
Colonel my A’hole
Will be exposed!!!!
Bet you all didn’t know Frank owned the Apollo theater and cut the first rap album!!!!! TOmorow Frank Commie and Colonel wanker will wish they never left the womb!!!!! I’m God and you will bow to the power of the Electric Red Sun God!! Light shows all! I will redeem you commies!!!! Beer and hardcore smutt is American as apple pie and hot rod magazine!!! Bow bitches!!!!!! Cuz I’m the cure and you are the disease!!!!!
Tomorrow Franky gets exposed!!!! Metaphorically not literally!!! I ain’t gay you pinko homophobic scum!!!
I got balls of Steele and sex appeal!!!!! Wax your assholses cuz you gotta flag pole with the red white and blue coming for your bungholes!!!!! God bless America and F’U CommieNazi sick 666 bastards of course I am!!!! America is back!!!!
The spade is the arms of a soldier and the club is a weapon of war!!!! Oh yea whoop——ass a a on its way!!!
I exposed Patriot God and Col. Ludlow as phonies!
F’ckers are a philosophizing A’hole Aristotle twat burg! Florists make me sick!!!! Panzi girlie men?!!! With the mangina’s They are nazi666 commies from the Electric Red Son God. I called that Mother F’ers bluff!!!
I issued the call of battle he did not heed my call from my bully pulpit perch above the retinue of cursed evil you heaven commie Nazis from hangar 18!!!!!!! I am the last warrior and true son of liberty.
I’d not yield! I do not bend! I do not waiver!!!!!!! F’cker wanted a war! The war is here bitches!!!!! Can I get’a AHEM!!!!! The hand of the righteous will be made strong by the hand of the almighty!!!!!!!!
Question…..
What is stronger: Steel or flesh?!?!?
Answer: Flesh is stronger boy what is Steele, but the hand that wields it!!!!
Tomorrow I expose you fake assssss! Bitches!!!! Parlato AND
Colonel my A’hole
Will be exposed!!!!
Bet you all didn’t know Frank owned the Apollo theater and cut the first rap album!!!!! TOmorow Frank Commie and Colonel wanker will wish they never left the womb!!!!! I’m God and you will bow to the power of the Electric Red Sun God!! Light shows all! I will redeem you commies!!!! Beer and hardcore smutt is American as apple pie and hot rod magazine!!! Bow bitches!!!!!! Cuz I’m the cure and you are the disease!!!!!
Tomorrow Franky gets exposed!!!! Metaphorically not literally!!! I ain’t gay you pinko homophobic scum!!!
I got balls of Steele and sex appeal!!!!! Wax your assholses cuz you gotta flag pole with the red white and blue coming for your bungholes!!!!! God bless America and F’U CommieNazi sick 666 bastards of course I am!!!! America is back!!!!
The spade is the arms of a soldier and the club is a weapon of war!!!! Oh yea whoop——ass a a on its way!!!————————————
What the hell are you talking about? Could you say it in English?
Ginzo!
I see that you’re trying to “consult” with me! I don’t k ow why because so far you have been nothing but uppity and haven’t learned your place in this world and refused to submit to the patriots! Alrighty then! What this fellow above is EXACTLY what you agreed to! If you want to be a man of your word, then do what he said!
So far, you have been neglecting to post up my recent comments on this article and others! So you’re seemingly glib endeavor to so-called “ensure that freedom of speech is carefully safeguarded” is looking good in your part at all!
You seem to pulling some kind of niggerdry here!
NUT UP OR SHUT UP, NIGGER!
THAT’S AN ORDER, NIGGER!!!!!!
You talkin to me?
Wish you had that like button now, Frank. I’d be smashing it for that last post of yours.
Hey Ginzo!
Yes I am talking to you! Get your brain screwed in your head, boy! You said that you wanted to “consult” with me and I am here telling you how to do what you’ve asked!
Now do what is right and fix the comment sections so that you can post, edit, reply, and delete comments at will and not have to wait for your “approval” anymore! Then you will have actually kept your word to “ensure that freedom of speech is carefully safeguarded”!
NOW GET MOVING!!!!!!
THAT’S AN ORDER, NIGGER!!!!!!!
Hey Ginzo!
Yes I am talking to you! Get your brain screwed in your head, boy! You said that you wanted to “consult” with me and I am here telling you how to do what you’ve asked!
Now do what is right and fix the comment sections so that you can post, edit, reply, and delete comments at will and not have to wait for your “approval” anymore! Then you will have actually kept your word to “ensure that freedom of speech is carefully safeguarded”!
NOW GET MOVING!!!!!!
Re The Real Raniere:
The text messages clearly reveal Raniere was not even remotely the pious, guru character he portrayed.
I’m curious how Nicki and Suneel view these text messages. My guess is they both dismiss the texts as Keith is just typical attempting to get laid and nothing more.
Nicki so far has responded to any reported impropriety by her Keith as “He’s just a regular man.”
How the f*** were these Nxivm idiots going to save the world one person at time at this excruciating slow pace?
Just hammering some person with batshit and horny texts for 10-20 years?
This was the plan? To save humanity?
The actual leader of this moronic “human potential movement” can’t even communicate effectively with one person that he’s been grooming since she was 15.
How was Nxivm ever going to be scaleable?
All over the world their would be handler/trainer types just one on one badgering another human 24/7 thru texts for years and years?
And eventually the world and humanity would be saved 9 trillion gazillion quadrillion years later?
It’s possibly the dumbest game plan to realize human potential and save humanity ever conceived.
Emoji! Emoji! Emoji!
No amount of evidence will change the minds of the NIXVM dead-enders.
Anything incriminating is always explained away by:
1) government conspiracy
2) lying women
3) hate bias
This may be the single worst post I’ve ever seen on your blog, Frank.
The cult loyalists contest the date and veracity of texts now? Post trial? Post conviction? When Keith and his legal team did not ever bring forth any such argument when it mattered?
The list of songs to minimize Cami’s abuse…the endless nonsensical texts that change not one iota of the criminal case…the attempted smear on the honesty of a survivor of child pornography and sexual exploitation…
Frank, a journalist recently stated on a podcast that she attended the Raniere criminal trial every day. All day.
But that most of the Raniere supporters only sat in the courtroom during Raniere’s attorney cross on the witnesses. Is that true?
If this is true – was this practice to preserve their “internal representation” of Vanguard? Why isn’t it more widely known that save maybe 1 of the loyalists – most followers of Keith Raniere refused to hear ALL of the testimony? If you have any insight? Thanks.
And please. Don’t sink this low again – it damages MY internal representation of YOU.
HAHAHA.
Suneel and Eduardo attended the trial — both examination and cross examination.
Okay. So 2 of the loyalists attended the entire trial.
Why didn’t Nicki fully support her “partner of 10 years” by being there constantly?
Why did all but 2 of the Keith loyalists refuse to listen to the WHOLE trial?
Thank you, my friend
All the women should get together and compare notes about how he played them: the one he wants in the moment is always the ‘chosen’ one he ‘really loves’ and the most talented, wonderful, he only stays with the other(s) out of duty, because they need him, etc, etc.
Behind her back, he mocks her and tells others she’s so credulous, so needy… Rinse and repeat as appropriate.
So much for female empowerment and solidarity that many bought his tales. But then again, they were ‘taught’ just that: women are needy, women play games, women stab you in the back, use their feminine wiles …
The Nxivm women are the ultimate misogynists – like members of the harem of a fat old Sultan 200 years ago. No wonder some still dance the dance of the 7 veils in front of the prison to entertain and show loyalty to their master. Pick me, me, me.
Harems as a concept precede Sultans and Islam by centuries.
Harem has become a pejorative term, but prior to the desensitization of the sexual debauchery of the post-modern West, its general lack of modesty and irreligiousness, it generally referred to the secluded area of a man’s house that sheltered his wife or wives (when polygamy was allowed, though not necessarily prevalent).
Hence the term, which signifies “inviolable” or “forbidden”, i.e., from the preying eyes and presence of other men. And it was public information. Of course, there were exceptions, where a revolving door of licentiousness and secrecy was engaged in by those who (often forcibly) held power — base human nature being what it is — but the term itself was never really considered salacious until the present day, associated with the latter, and exemplified my people like R. Kelly and K. Raniere, instead of the former.
I read your comment. Interesting. Thanks!
Women in harems were often victims of genital mutilation. The labia and clitorious would be removed. By cutting them off.
Sans any modern day medical care.
This barbaric butchery is still practiced in countries with multiple wives and harem structures.
It is wrought on female children. Sometimes with a dull cutting instrument on a dirt floor. The flesh was often pieced back together with thorns as sutures. Children as young as 5, 6, 7 years old are brutalized.
The idea was to exorcise any way for a female to experience sexual gratification.
This was to allow the male dictator or owner of the very young wives a little freedom from worry that a child bride would stray. And seek out a male of her own age and desire.
Instead of binding the feet like other cultures so the woman could not run away (or even walk) from sexual slavery – it was a vagina binding of sorts.
Eunuchs were also generally mutilated. So they could “guard” the harem but not partake readily in sexual activity due to castration.
In other cultures chasity belts were employed. Painful locking devices that kept the genitals prisoner even from the woman’s own hands.
Young girls still suffer horrific medical complications and death from the torturous genital mutilation practice. Even in current times.
Romanticizing the term harem does not paint the full reality either. As a societal construct it did not/ does not in any way benefit any person but the “owner” of the humans in the stable. Like a master/slave relationship.
This sounds completely made up. Also, I don’t believe anyone romanticized the term.
It’s absolutely not made up.
It is widely known and reported on.
There are many organizations that are still working to end the practice and doctors who volunteer services to repair the bodies of women who have been genitally mutilated.
Actual proof? Cited with verifiable and reliable sources.
FGM is still happening in about 30 countries. It is also referred to as, “female circumcision”.
There are some 200 million females alive right now on earth who have had their genitals chopped up. Some were cut up in infancy.
There is plenty of information readily available. Google either the term FMG or female circumcision.
I’m aware of FGM. It’s a cultural practice that has its roots in tribalism, and is not a religious one per se, occurring mostly on the African continent, I believe. And it has nothing to do with the concept of harems, which it is distinct from. It may occur within them, or it may not, and there is no causation that such a practice is due to them. That was what was being asked for.
It’s not made up — it’s only done in a f few African and Middle East cultures. Our friend is exaggerating and most likely gained his knowledge from Tumblr.
I’m not moving any goal posts. I gave a small summary description on the history and concept of harems. You attempted to caudate/correlate the latter with FGM. There wasn’t even a single mention of FGM in this combox until you brought it up which came out of left field. My guess is that you were trying to sully the entire idea of the former with the abhorrence of the latter practice. The fact is, neither Christianity nor Islam nor any major religion condones the practice even if religion has been twisted to support it. Likewise, having a harem is not indicative of the practice.
Tip of the iceberg as regards proof.
https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-protection/female-genital-mutilation/
https://digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/female-genital-mutilation/oct-2021-dec-2021
FGM is a practice in many countries (not just African) with multiple wives who “belong” to a man.
It is not uncommon in harem type structures going back many, many, many years.
There is no medical or hygienic benefit to it. It specifically is to foster sexual compliance and is done on “wives” plural. Hence the harem connection.
This grotesque surgery is frequently performed to ensure that the baby girl will be obedient later as one of many child brides of a single man. A harem member.
You are moving the goal posts.
Originally you wrote that FGM “sounds completely made up”.
Now you are an internet expert on the topic?
It seems really important to you that are deemed “right” and “win” about this topic that you only recently thought was made up.
So, okay.
You know it all! You are a professor of harems. You are the smartest! Fastest!
Whatever.
I did not write the original comment.
I most certainly did not make the naive suggestion that FGM ‘sounds completely made up’
I teach midwives within my cohort of NHS students. FGM presents massive complications in child-birth.
I merely furnished you with a clue about proof a simple ‘cheers’ would have done!
You must be new here. You sound hurt and ill-mannered.
Go outside and touch grass.
“It specifically is to foster sexual compliance and is done on ‘wives’ plural. Hence, the harem connection.”
This is a false implication. Supposedly, the practice originated in Egypt by a Pharaoh (a practical dictator) in order to control his women. But many men engaged in polygamy in the past throughout history in various regions, religions, and cultures — even the Biblical prophets — without taking part in the abominable practice of FGM. There is zero causation between taking on multiple wives and the practice. The practice is indeed instituted as a means to control, but so is constantly lying to women about being in a monogamous relationship while you secretly practice polyamory, though they are obviously not remotely the same outside of this particular equivalence.
What do you think is made up? Female genital mutilation isn’t some fairy tale:
https://www.unicef.org/stories/what-you-need-know-about-female-genital-mutilation
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/female-genital-mutilation
https://www.womenshealth.gov/a-z-topics/female-genital-cutting
You’re generalizing!
IMO the age difference matters. 16 is acceptable only if the other party is under 21. Otherwise, the age of consent should be 18.
That would be a good idea for a bill vote in the future, actually
Clarifies things for all parties concerned.
I always think of the Canadian singer who met her husband at 12 and he was her boss too!
Celine Dion…