MK10ART's painting of mother Nancy Salzman with her daughter Lauren Salzman.

Shivani: Almost Nothing More Deranged Than a ‘Mother’ Like Nancy Salzman

By Shivani

 

The government photo of Nancy Salzman.

Nancy Salzman has been less impaired than poor rich Clare Bronfman, all the way from back to her Cranford, New Jersey days of overly vigorous youth at 51 Stratford Terrace.

Nancy was secure with her B’nai B’rith parents when her last name was still Loshin. Her parents were father, Milton, and her mother Edith, but Nancy’s mother was noted for her political opinions.

Quite so. Kinda like mama was a fan of bizarrely politicized (aka switcheroo) communistic Judaism, from what’s been said. Like translating Seder traditions into Pig Latin and putting it all back in some crematorium’s oven. But whatever about whatever.

Nancy was not noted much around Cranford, New Jersey, except for her probable future as a pudgy and virtue-signaling turkey vulture, who would specialize in resembling a deviously grinning troglodyte with bad hair when she grew up. Sadly, that never happened to Nancy. Firstly, she had to go off and gather her wits to be able to fake her educational qualifications.

Nancy Loshin – from her yearbook picture. Readers know her better as Nancy Salzman or Prefect.

Nancy has been too ignored since right after her plea deal was signed. Perhaps she would like to address that here at the open forum of the Frank Report, with an ankle bracelet monitor strapped in front of her mouth but not unplugged. That could be chic.

The Nancy Salzman news blackout is irksome, considering her self-importance. The smell of that ignore-ance is as bad as when commune members accidentally roast a trapped rat in their toaster oven, for breakfast. Very communal. It could even be a national event, this intestinal Nancy news blockage.

If it is indeed a national blockage, this Salzman blackout, to whom does one protest? The late George H. W. Bush? The merry and gay J. Edgar Hoover, via a postcard from the edge?

Funny how both hypnosis and linguistic retraining mechanics are big toys from old Nancy Loshin’s bag of trickery. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

What is an entitled and snarling éClair like Clare Bronfman gonna do? This could all be a fake fight fashioned to be a distraction, but let us not dig too deeply beneath these conjoined horses’ asses. All you have to do is listen as they put their lips together and watch them blow, like an atonal nest of vipers. Who’s going to be The Leader of the Pack! and run the da-doo-doo run?

What to say, not only of Keith Raniere but of Nancy Salzman, who turned her own daughters over to an insane beast? To service his sexual megalomania and miserable perversions?

God. I hope never even to see Nancy Salzman’s leering face. Ever. All the way up from the soles of my feet, through my gut and heart and breath, right up the spine, I want her days of evil ended. It is too late for her to redeem herself right now, because no doubt, Nancy Salzman thinks that she is just fine, even advanced, even superior. Have at it. Look down your Pinocchio noses and snort through your adenoids, stinky motherfuckers. I have my own earth, air, water, fire and the metal, right here, given to me at birth. So do the children you have enjoyed trafficking.

Salzman and Bronfman and Allison Mack, etc. can go ahead and choke on their hallucinated superiority. Somebody bring some whiskey. I will bring butterscotch and chocolate. The audience has been ready and assembled for a long time.

Soon enough, more ceremonies in court. For the deliverance of not-enough-jail-time, except perhaps for the Head Turd already imprisoned. Raniere weeping and unkempt, pretending to know karate, with his feet soaked in his own piss and floating crap logs. Cumgratulations, jackwad.

Thanks for the entertainment, now go lose some teeth and slump over and try to masturbate, surrounded by all of that prison luxuriousness.

The prison chorus lines will be glad to help any old pervert work out his self-pity. Guys like Raniere are all alike under the skin. Cowards. Not every man in prison is Raniere’s kind of coward. It is obvious these men are disgusted by Raniere too. He seems to have been stuck buying off skinheads for some protection. Even they have a “Judas” or two in their ranks who might take satisfaction in doing something to Keith Raniere. These people can go ballistic over a piece of gum; some of them like it like that.

No wonder Keith Raniere keeps needing new eyeglasses. It could be his head or his neck or even his unprivate private parts that get lopped off.

The woman on the right, Nancy Salzman, offered her daughters to the man on the left, Keith Alan Raniere.

There is almost nothing more deranged on earth to me than a “mother” like Nancy Salzman. Clare never produced a baby, so far as one hears. Cheers to that not having happened. Raniere might have more impact upon good men, who are men themselves. As a woman, a mother, a sister a grandmother, Nancy Salzman outrages me.

The worst symbolism representative of my own feminine nature, the way I am made, is a woman like Nancy Salzmzn, is Salzman herself. I don’t give a damn who knows it. She has promoted making people afraid to be themselves. To me, that is the opposite of how to want to be a mama or a dad. She didn’t let her daughters learn how to think for themselves and instead, very narcissistically, she tried to make her daughters into living images of herself.

She told them what to think and made sure that her daughters obeyed her agenda.

I have made myself throw away a lot of my written thoughts about Nancy Salzman, all too aware of who she is, what levels of monstrosity she represents to me. Here at our home are children, pets, art, music, wonderful foods, books, magnolia trees. The Healer. But I will not ignore noticing the Ranieres or the Salzmans or any carnivores who feast on peoples’ innocence or vulnerabilities, upon trust or generosity.

To me, many of these people with sick and/or sickening motives seem to retreat, to step back and hide out, like turkey vultures roosting up in trees, waiting for the heat, for the attention, to shift away from them when they get outed, intending all along to keep up the destruction. They will still call their causes “self-help, enlightenment, opportunity.” It is not over, exposing even the Toni Natalies, who try to profit from twisting the truth right out of the mouths of those who have been hurt the most.

It is not over.

 

Nancy Salzman, arguably the most odious of Nxivm leaders besides Keith Raniere, was the first to take a plea deal and likely will get one of the lightest prison sentences of the Nxivm criminals.

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Frank Parlato

Frank Report’s founder and lead writer Frank Parlato is one of the internet’s most acclaimed investigative journalists. His writing and investigations have helped expose major criminal organizations and scandals.

Frank’s work has been cited in major publications all over the world, including The New York Times, New York Post, The Daily Mail, VICE News, CNN, Rolling Stone, and more.

He is also the publisher and editor-in-chief of Artvoice, The Niagara Falls Reporter, Front Page and the South Buffalo News.

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  • There was some debate at one point on Frank Report regarding the extent of Canadian tax payers money going towards the television show of NXIVM coach Kristin Kreuk.

    Well here is is straight from the horse’s mouth. Watch from 47.00 onwards:

    “It’s [filming in Winnipeg] the most lucrative tax credit in the world”

    * Kristin Kreuk nods heavily in agreement. *

    “65% labour base tax cut.”

    “Doing a show like this from a business perspective means you can leverage pretty close to between 35 and 40% of the budget through tax cuts”.

    Kristin Kreuk: “this show is supposed to be an east coast based show at first… but the tax credits”.

    ——-

    And there you have it. 35-40% of the show is paid for by tax payers.

    • Meant to say, CBC Television is funded by a combination of tax payer money and advertising, with this television show getting 35-40% tax credits so that they don’t have to pay as much taxes.

    • Wow. You slogged through some 55 min. of some panel, then took time to transcribe the shit. Fascinating and sad. But I do give you props for having no shame in advertising the fact that you have so little going on in your life that you would waste an hour of it watching a video like that. Did you at least get some of your masturbating done at the same time?

      How did you even find this video on Vimeo anyway? It’s not like her name is even in the description or title. Did Sultan share it with you or something?

      Anyway, these are tax breaks that are used to entice productions to come and shoot in these areas because the productions contribute so much to the local economy. It’s the same reason that so many of the American productions are shooting up in Canada. Those Hallmark Christmas movies aren’t considered tax payer funded, but they do get tax breaks which makes it cheaper to shoot and gets them more bang for their buck. TV series like the one being discussed are said to spend some $20 million dollars locally on hotels, production, local hires etc.

      • Hi sultan, that’s a long essay!

        Because you cannot bother to read:

        “correction
        November 25, 2019 at 12:14 am
        Meant to say, CBC Television is funded by a combination of tax payer money and advertising, with this television show getting 35-40% tax credits so that they don’t have to pay as much taxes.”

        Tax pay funded through CBC Television and getting 35-40% tax break thru Winnipeg. Ordinary folk don’t get that, nor do they see a penny of tv money, unless the rent out their property.

        Still lonely?

          • Says the paranoid fucktards who think every post about Kristin is done by me fake Niceguy.

            Why the fuck would I care about whether Kristin’s show is taxpayer-funded? I couldn’t care less. The elected government officials in a democracy dictate it and I’m not one of the whiny bitches who’ve been crying about it for the past year. Take it up with your government instead of anonymously waaahing about it in a place where it can’t effect change.

          • SultanofSix,

            Still scouring the internet for a mention of your name I see.

            Well, I can assume then you all ready know this is the first time I have mentioned you since the last time we communicated with each other…..
            …So why the melodrama and theatrics?
            Or is “paranoid fucktard” your way of letting me know you miss me and you really care?

            Why are you so angry? You seem to be seething with blind rage.

            Whenever you happen to have the opportunity I would appreciate it if you explained to me how I am fake. I sincerely mean that.

            FYI I have never once said anything derogatory regarding your religion on this website or in my life. So maybe you should simmer down just a little bit.
            I know what Shadowstate said about Muslims practicing female genital mutilation is a myth.

            I must admit I am perplexed why a pious Muslim like yourself is interested in a superficial actress. I would ask the same question of a born again Christian or Orthodox Jew. You should question yourself! I don’t expect s serious answer from you.

          • –Still scouring the internet for a mention of your name I see.

            LOL. That’s rich coming from the guy who scoured my alias on the Internet.

            –So why the melodrama and theatrics?

            I’m not the one pretending to be a fake nice guy.

            –Or is “paranoid fucktard” your way of letting me know you miss me and you really care?

            Do you think I’m stupid? Do you think I can’t smell your insincerity a mile away: “Sultan makes Gary Busey seem sane”. How many times have you called me out like in this backhanded manner in which I didn’t respond to the obvious? I counted at least a half dozen.

            You talk out of two sides of your mouth. Spare me your fucking insincere bullshit.

            –Why are you so angry? You seem to be seething with blind rage.

            My anger is never “blind” and I have hardly ever seethed with rage. There are many things that initiate anger and the result is emotional though not always extreme, and its trigger is not necessarily irrational, e.g., indignation.

            –I must admit I am perplexed why a pious Muslim like yourself is interested in a superficial actress.

            I don’t consider myself pious at all. I’m not like you, pretending to be something that is entirely inapplicable. Anonymaker seems to be a nice guy. You, not so much.

            Regardless, how do you know she’s superficial? Is it because she’s just an actress?

            A superficial girl isn’t a bookworm. A superficial girl of her physical beauty would have married a rich multi-millionaire and enjoyed the lavish lifestyle he provided for her without lifting a finger. Instead, she’s earned millions that she can say is her own and still maintained her dignity in an industry pre-#metooo that often took it away from a lot of people.

            That’s an awfully superficial judgement coming from someone who doesn’t even know her.

          • Sultan,

            “My anger is never “blind” and I have hardly ever seethed with rage”.

            You are right, you are right; You are never ever, overly dramatic or melodramatic. You seem as logical, rational, and unemotional as an automaton or first science officer Spock of the starship Enterprise.

            Sultan please buckle your seat belt and stay tuned because…….

            I have a much longer response coming….

            Do not pretend you will not be reading it because we both know you can’t help yourself.

            ……….Coming soon to the Frankreport…..

            …….Part IV The NiceGuy Strikes back!……

          • Dear Sultan of Sexiness,

            Frank has mentioned to me that you have already checked the Frankreport several (more than three) times this morning for my response to you. Currently, I am busy crafting, editing, and fine-tuning my response. Good things come with time. Rome, my friend, was not built in a day. It took God seven days to create the earth. It took the Israelis 6 days to crush the combined armies of 5 Muslim nations. My response to you will be submitted today at some point. So buckle your seatbelt and tighten the chinstrap on your retard helmet. You are in for a bumpy ride.

          • SultanofSix,

            I will be submitting my full response to you at 9:30pm tonight. In the meantime I have a question…
            ….How the f*ck do you keep job?

          • My Reply to Sultan of Six
            SultanOfSix. My responses are in all caps.

            November 26, 2019 at 7:28 am
            –Still scouring the internet for a mention of your name I see.

            LOL. That’s rich coming from the guy who scoured my alias on the Internet.

            I SPENT THREE TO FIVE HOURS ON YOU. NOT 20 YEARS OF MY LIFE ON STRANGER LIKE YOU HAVE.

            –So why the melodrama and theatrics?

            I’m not the one pretending to be a fake nice guy.

            YOU ARE AN OVER THE TOP HYPERBOLE DRAMA QUEEN. ARE KIDDING? SERIOUSLY?

            –Or is “paranoid fucktard” your way of letting me know you miss me and you really care?

            Do you think I’m stupid? Do you think I can’t smell your insincerity a mile away: “Sultan makes Gary Busey seem sane”. How many times have you called me out like in this backhanded manner in which I didn’t respond to the obvious? I counted at least a half dozen.

            DUMMY I HAVE NOT MENTIONED YOU SINCE ARE LAST INTERACTION MONTHS AGO. THE GARRY BUSEY 6 WORD SENTENCE IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE THE LAST TIME WE BICKERED LIKE SCHOOL GIRLS

            WHY ARE YOU READING THREADS NOT ATTACHED TO KRISTIN KREUK? FEELING LONELY? OR LOOKING FOR A FIGHT? OR DO YOU NOW ENJOY THE FRANK REPORT? 🙂

            You talk out of two sides of your mouth. Spare me your fucking insincere bullshit.

            I DO NOT TALK OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF MY MOUTH. I TALK WITH A SILVER TONGUE. YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL COMMAND OF LANGUAGE AND ARE INTELLIGENT 🙂

            –Why are you so angry? You seem to be seething with blind rage.

            My anger is never “blind” and I have hardly ever seethed with rage. There are many things that initiate anger and the result is emotional though not always extreme, and its trigger is not necessarily irrational, e.g., indignation.

            IF YOUR “anger is never, blind” YOU ARE THUS BEING EMOTIONAL AND FOCUSING YOUR ANGER HENCE “SEERING”.

            –I must admit I am perplexed why a pious Muslim like yourself is interested in a superficial actress.

            I don’t consider myself pious at all. I’m not like you, pretending to be something that is entirely inapplicable. Anonymaker seems to be a nice guy. You, not so much.

            WHAT AM I PRETENDING TO BE EXACTLY? BTW WHAT EXACTLY IS A SULTAN OF SIX? WHAT ARE YOU PRETENDING TO BE?

            YOU USED TO BE PIOUS. YOU USED TO NOT DRINK, YOU WERE HONEST, YOU DID NOT BELIEVE IN PRE-MARITAL SEX.

            YOU USED TO HAVE OTHER PASSIONS LIKE THE NFL. NO MORE LOVE FOR RAVENS?

            I ALSO NOTICED YOU ARE NOT AS TALENTED A WRITER. WHY?

            Regardless, how do you know she’s superficial? Is it because she’s just an actress?

            HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE IS NOT SUPERFICIAL YOUR SELF? HER BEING AN ACTRESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. NEVER JUDGE OTHERS BY THEIR WORK OR OTHER SUPERFICIAL TRAITS JUDGE THEM BY THEIR CHARACTER AND ACTIONS.

            A superficial girl isn’t a bookworm.

            A SUPERFICIAL GIRLS CAN BE A BOOK WORM. PEOPLE CAN LOVE MONEY AND BE INTO ONLY LOOKS AND READ BOOKS.

            WHERE IS LOGIC?

            HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE IS ACTUALLY A BOOK WORM? DO YOU SIT WITH HER WHILE SHE READS?

            A superficial girl of her physical beauty would have married a rich multi-millionaire and enjoyed the lavish lifestyle he provided for her without lifting a finger. Instead, she’s earned millions that she can say is her own and still maintained her dignity in an industry pre-#metooo that often took it away from a lot of people.

            OKAY! YOU GOT ME THERE, GOOD POINT. IT’S ALSO WHAT YOU STATED TO JOHN TIGE YEARS AGO.

            That’s an awfully superficial judgement2 coming from someone who doesn’t even know her.

            LOOK SULTAN YOU DO NOT KNOW HER EITHER, DO YOU?

            I AM KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING. CULTURALLY, DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF PERSIAN OR IRANIAN? I AM CURIOUS BECAUSE I HAVE PERSIAN FRIENDS IN LA. THEIR FAMILIES FLED IRAN WHEN KHOMEINI CAME TO POWER?

            “I just have varied interests, rational discourse being one of them since college.”
            -SULTAN OF SIX

            DO YOU CONSIDER SCROLLING THE INTERNET DEFENDING KRISTIN KREUK WITH VENOM RATIONAL?
            HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN YOUR DIATRIBES IF YOU ARE NOT SEETHING WITH RAGE? SERIOUSLY?
            WHY WAS A MODERATOR ON ANOTHER WEBSITE WORRIED ABOUT YOU? YOU REMEMBER MISTRESS? RIGHT?

            THIS KRISTIN KREUK WEEK KRISTIN KREUK HAS PROBABLY HAD SEX WITH HER BOYFRIEND AT LEAST TWICE. WHAT DO YOU GET?

            WHERE DO YOU SEE YOURSELF IN 20 YEARS WHEN KRISTIN KREUK HAS GRAND KIDS?

            YOU STARTED FOLLOWING KREUK AS A YOUNG MAN. NOW YOU ARE NOT SO YOUNG. DON’T YOU WANT MORE OUT OF YOUR LIFE? YOUR INTELLIGENT. HOW DOES THE STORY END FOR YOU? ITS NOT GOING TO BE WITH KREUK. WE BOTH KNOW THAT

            WHAT IS YOUR END GAME?( forgive the chess vernacular I play chess).

            I KNOW YOU BETTER THEN YOU KNOW YOURSELF. I KNOW YOU WILL NOT REPLY TO ME. YOU WILL NOT REPLY SO THEN YOU CAN FEEL IN CONTROL AND SUPERIOR. PLEASE THINK ABOUT MY LAST TWO QUESTIONS.

            WHEN I WAS CRAFTING THE GARY BUSEY SENTENCE I TOOK A FULL 8min
            AND 20sec. I THOUGHT OF A NUMBERS OF CELEBRITIES TO USE. CHARLIE SHEEN WAS THE RUNNER UP. I CHOSE GARY BUSEY BECAUSE HE SEEMS MORE INSULTING TO BE CONTRASTED WITH THEREFORE MORE LIKELY IT WOULD YEILD A RESPONSE RESPONSE FROM YOU. I KNOW. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR FEELING OF CONTROL AND SUPERIORITY RESTORED BY NOT RESPONDING. AGAIN PLEASE JUST THINK ABOUT MY LAST 2 QUESTIONS.

            SIDE NOTE; IN CASE YOU RESPOND
            Do you ever program in C Or C++? Just curious.

            Company is over. Happy Thanksgiving!

          • “ I AM KINDA CURIOUS ABOUT SOMETHING. CULTURALLY, DO YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF PERSIAN OR IRANIAN?”

            Pretty sure the spank maestro is from Pakistan. He has said Kashmir. They shit on the streets in Pakistan.

            “YOU STARTED FOLLOWING KREUK AS A YOUNG MAN. NOW YOU ARE NOT SO YOUNG.”

            The spank phantom has been jerking it to Kristin Kreuk for about 15 years. He is in or around his fifties. He most likely was in his mid-thirties when he first started to chronically masturbate and e-stalk (and real life stalk in Albany) Kristin Kreuk.

            Check out these articles:

            https://frankreport.com/2019/02/27/mathematician-computes-devotion-sultan-has-for-kristin-kreuk/

            https://frankreport.com/2019/03/06/mathematician-makes-further-enlarged-computations-on-sultans-devotion-to-kristin-kreuk/

            That is a lot of jizz. Thank the heavens he will never pass on his awful genes. All that horrible semen just rolls off his hands. It certainly does not enter the vagina of “smell-the-fart” actress Kristin Kreuk. Next time you sit down with your wife for dinner, remember, the spankin’ cuckold has no woman and will never have a woman. Or children. Or a sex life. He will either die alone in an old people’s home or leach off a family member. He is a sad, lonely, aged, defeated brown beetle of the halal persuasion. The house he lives in must be saturated with the litres of semen he has ejaculated over the latest Kristin Kreuk selfies. Don’t shine an inferred light in his domain. Especially in his spank nest. His mommy should of fed him to a tarantula when he was just a little larvae.

          • SultanOfSix,

            Whenever I hit you the question “where do you see yourself in 20 years you always run off.

            Why?
            (Rhetorical question)

      • Actors don’t ‘earn’ money. Actors don’t make money. Actors are not self made multi-millionaires. Actors are celebrities given excessive privilege by the studios while ordinary people work real jobs for insignificant pay checks. Then they talk down to ordinary people like they are messiahs. Actors are made famous through studios who give them excessive amounts of money. Losers consume their bullshit to distract themselves from their own mundane lives. And you can be superficial and read books. It’s not hard.

        • Yes they do earn their money. They’re paid their fair market value in a capitalistic economy. Just because they make more money per hour for what you feel is quantitatively or qualitatively less work than many people doesn’t mean they don’t earn their income. If there was no market for it, then they wouldn’t make the money that they do. No one gives away millions of dollars to people just for the hell of it unless they believe they’ll make more money as a result. Also, no one is self-made. Everyone receives some help along the way. Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates didn’t become billionaires doing everything by themselves. Whether it’s a parent, friend, brother, sister, foster home, priest, nun, mentor, employee, etc., people made a difference in your life to help you become successful.

          • OMG, shut up sultan… You are only saying that to rush to the defence of Kristin Kreuk. No rational person without an obsession for an actress believes such rubbish. Actors are given money they didn’t earn or make. It’s not a job. It’s not employment. It’s ridiculous excessive privilege, not wages. They are not working, middle or upper class. They have celebrity currency, given to them by tv/film studios. They are guaranteed a huge chunk of cash, even before filming begins. That’s not right. They are made what they are. And yes people can be self made. Actors are not. Businesses worth millions or even billions being built from scratch is beyond the realm of some bimbo receiving millions to play make believe. Actors don’t need to be given that much money, it’s what studios are willing to give them, based on the level of fame they have created for said actors. If the actor didn’t get given the role, the actor won’t be given millions. It’s not hard to understand if you get adequate blood flow to your brain. Useless morons the lot of them. And yourself.

          • Oh STFU. Is there nothing you don’t cry about?

            Actors are part of industry that rakes in billions of dollars per year due to capitalism. WTF don’t you understand about fair market value? If there wasn’t a market, then people would make nada from it. Don’t complain because you can’t live such a privileged life, can’t do it, or no one wants to see your ugly mug on the television, computer, or silver screens. The vast majority of working actors make no more than 25-30K per year on average. The actors who make a lot of money are few and far between in a highly competitive industry, with producers and studios taking the largest amounts of profits. I don’t think actors should be paid $20 million for three months of their work, just like I don’t think Jeff Bezos should be worth $120 billion dollars, but THAT IS WHAT THE MARKET PAYS AND HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS. Those people are A level in the industries they work in. When you are a studio head, CEO, or an actor who people want to see, that is what you get paid even though there are literally hundreds or thousands of people who helped you get to that position in, some in larger ways than others.

            You’re such a whiny bitch.

          • Hurry up & join your bitch mother in the ground sultan. Actors themselves have admitted they receive too much, including Rachel Weisz and Hugh Hackman. It’s not based on earnings, it’s based on privilege. It’s excessive. There’s overpaid, then there’s that. Loser.

          • My mother has nothing to do with the topic you whiny bitch.

            I don’t care about your subjective evaluation of objective facts based on feelings. You or another actor’s assessment of their worth or how much they earn is irrelevant. Other actors could say otherwise. It’s what the market pays for their status in the industry. People go to see Tom Cruise movies because he’s in them nd they tend to be good ones. Plenty of CEOs of businesses make money based off of future speculation and not current earnings. That is how the industry works. If you want to complain, whine about unbridled capitalism because it is what intrinsically allows for it.

          • Stupid little sultan. Going on about capitalism. Even in communist China, they have been critiqued for the excessive money they give the actors. You don’t know anything. You just want to defend this bullshit because your dream spank Kristin Kreuk is a part of it. It’s not based on hours worked (it’s not even work), it’s not based on a pre set percentage of box office takings, it’s based on how much the corporations want to give the actors. Nothing more. Not capitalism, but corporations, spoilt brat actors with a need for attention and validation and the stupid fools who consume their bullshit. Cartels make millions off drugs because the losers of society take drugs to distract themselves from their bullshit life. That’s not capitalism, that’s consumerism where cunts profit and losers pay for it. That’s why there is capital. No excuse for corporations to give that much money to one individual. Without the camera man, there would be no footage. Without the writers, no story or script. Without the sound engineer, no sound. Actors receive way more than these people ever will, because that’s who corporations want to make privileged. Instead of that money being taxed to alleviate actual workers, the corporations keep it in the privileged club.

            Johnny Depp has been receiving millions of dollars for films that have bombed at the box office. He still got a huge sum before filming and afterwards too. It’s because the jew studios want to give actors a lot of money. Go and look for yourself how much money actors received before and after a film bombed. Even if a film bombs, the actor profits excessively. The actor still gets a huge upfront chunk of doe before even doing anything. A lot of actors profit from tax payers. Like Kristin Kreuk at the CBC, British BBC and others. It’s not right, so shut the fuck up, you worthless little worm. It’s not based on what’s right, it’s based on what the corporations are willing to dish out, you dumb fuck.

            It’s bullshit. Like you.

          • — No excuse for corporations to give that much money to one individual. Without the camera man, there would be no footage. Without the writers, no story or script.

            No shit dummy. Without the thousands of employees of various different levels in corporations, CEOs like Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos wouldn’t be worth billions of dollars.

            –Actors receive way more than these people ever will, because that’s who corporations want to make privileged. Instead of that money being taxed to alleviate actual workers, the corporations keep it in the privileged club.

            Yeah, corporations just want to “make these people privileged”. Makes a fucking ton of sense. Money has nothing to do with it, nor the people who are up front and center and used to bring in the audiences to make it. They’re just there to become “privileged”.

            –Johnny Depp has been receiving millions of dollars for films that have bombed at the box office.

            Johnny Depp has been a part of a number of critically acclaimed and money generating hits in the industry and has been doing it for almost forty years because he’s good at it and people pay because they want to see him. Just because he’s gotten older and has become less of a draw – if that is even the case – he has a privilege he’s earned.

            I don’t subjectively think acting or anything is worth $20 million for three months worth of work. But that is what the market pays because the chance of making ten times that much is often probable, and it’s only paid to a select few. That is how the mass media system and capitalism works together.

            You’re just crybaby because you aren’t part of the privileged club who writes a lot of obfuscating shit that has no relevance.

            Ironically, I’ve never witnessed a bigger whiny “virtue signaler” than you, a term you use so much. Virtue signaling about how “it’s not right” that like one percent of actors make so much money in an industry that generates so much of it.

            Waaah. Cry some more.

          • “But that is what the market pays because the chance of making ten times that much is often probable, and it’s only paid to a select few.”

            Erm, no spastic. They don’t know how much a film will make, they don’t need to give a penny to some cunt actor before anything was even filmed as the actor literally has done nothing at this point, nor do they need to give them that much money after filming, no matter how much the film makes. It’s not set in stone, eg, 25%, 12%, 18% of all profits go to the actor. It’s what that studio CHOOSES to hand over to an individual, you dumb twat. It’s not based on profit made, but how much they CHOOSE to spoil them rotten beforehand, before the film has been made and before any capital is made. They could give them half, a quarter, an eighth. The word is excessive. They didn’t need to give Dwayne Johnson a million dollars to tweet about his shitty film, on top of the millions he was promised before filming a single shot. And saying a “select few” just makes them even more excessively privileged. The excessive amount of money they give them, before anything is even filmed is NOT capital as the film has not even been made, thus no capital has been made. Moron. That’s like an employer giving a huge bonus to a new employee, before he’s even started work, just in case he does a good job in the future. You lose.

            “That is how the mass media system and capitalism works together.”

            Wrong again retard. Even when no capital is made, as the film is yet to be made, they still give them a huge chunk of money. They are given a huge wad of cash before filming and wouldn’t have to give it back if filming stops halfway through. And they don’t distribute the capital made fairly. Actors are not top of the tree, but are treated as such. Instead of being taxed harder and/or that money being distributed to essential crew members, they stuff the pockets of actors, while a shit skin defends that bullshit on the internet. You lose.

            You ignore every fact anyone tells you. Johnny Depp receiving millions BEFORE and after a bombed film and you still make bullshit excuses, because I am right. Comparing an actor to the founder of a billion dollar business shows what a dumb cunt you are. The actor has nothing in common with a billionaire CEO and business founder. You lose.

            Once again, you moron, the word is EXCESSIVE. In China, there is a cap on how much the actor will receive because it’s so disgustingly excessive.

            Whiny shit stained cunt. Worshiping a woman who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire and defending multi-millionaire actors who think you are shit. And what do you get out of it? You just become even more worthless.

          • –They don’t know how much a film will make,

            No one said they did “know” you obsucating, strawman invoking jackass. They said they are putting up the money because they think it is “probable” that they will. Just like a venture capitalist invests money in a startup because they think its probable that they will make money from their investment. That is what capitalism requires: investment money up front to make more money, with the probability of loss or gain from it.

            –they don’t need to give a penny to some cunt actor before

            No one “needs” to do anything except what is required for survival you twat.

            –It’s not based on profit made, but how much they CHOOSE to spoil them rotten beforehand,

            LOL. Your entire bullshit argument is based on some non-reality base scenario that presumes actors don’t live in a meritocracy like everyone else. That these studio executives and producers just randomly picked some person off the street without any skillset and gave them a million dollars and continue to do so no matter how much they suck or their movies bomb because they want to “make them privileged”. That these people didn’t earn part of their right, nor that the corporations and people working and making decisions in the entertainment business aren’t held to the same standards as other industries to run a successful profit-making business, nor do they suffer from the ramifications of poor business decisions in their said industry, actors included. You’re taking examples of extremes and generalizing it across the spectrum devoid of context, ironically living in a vacuum of your fucking jealous-induced fantasy where you can diminish the abilities of people because you’re a Jew hating racist, just like you’re a “shit-skinned” Muslim hating racist.

            –Comparing an actor to the founder of a billion dollar business shows what a dumb cunt you are.

            No one compared universal nor particular CEOs to actors as if they did comparable jobs you ofbuscating, strawman invoking fucking idiot.

            –Worshiping a woman who wouldn’t piss on you if you were on fire and defending multi-millionaire actors who think you are shit

            I didn’t even mention Kristin until after you fucktards did, and only because my first and only post in which I did was in response to you bringing me up while you guys brought her up.

            You guys are slimy, insincere bullshitters.

      • “They said they are putting up the money because they think it is “probable” that they will. Just like a venture capitalist invests money in a startup because they think its probable that they will make money from their investment. That is what capitalism requires: investment money up front to make more money, with the probability of loss or gain from it.”

        HAHA, still wrong spanky. Actors do not need millions of dollars “upfront” for the film to be made or to make millions in the box office takings. When investors invest in a start up, they are investing in a business, not an individual human. The money is for building up a business. Investing in a start up to get a business up and running and making capital is nothing like giving an actor millions of dollars before the film is made. It’s not remotely comparable. They are not investing in the actor. The actor is not the “business”. They don’t “invest” in crew members either. Nothing you say can beat these facts, loser. The studios don’t make any investment and the actor is not the business. Giving money to the STUDIOS to get a film made is investing, if you are promised a slice of the profits. Get it gaybo?

        “No one “needs” to do anything except what is required for survival”

        Stop deflecting. Once again, there is ZERO point in giving the actor millions of dollars or a penny, before anything is even done. It is not an investment. Actors are not a business.

        Do all football players on the same team get equal money? No. Are the richest players always the top scorers every game? No. All the players are playing the same game. The richest player might not even score a goal, or gets injured and taken off the field. He still gets that big check. It’s not based on percentage of profits, hours “worked”, goals scored, scenes filmed or anything related. Sportsmen get weekly checks. Actors get money before doing anything, then money from the profits. And more than they should be given. That is the point you stupid whiny fuck.

        It must suck to be a snooty little fuck who always wants to be right but never is. Nothing you say changes facts. You will never beat me in an argument. You have zero intelligence. You speak word salad psycho babble to roll turds in glitter… and you fail.

        How does it feel knowing Kristin Kreuk gets dicked by another!? It must eat you up inside. You hate Mark Hildreth too. You started the NXIVMInfo twitter page and attacked Hildreth, didn’t you Haroon!?

        • –HAHA, still wrong spanky. Actors do not need millions of dollars “upfront” for the film to be made or to make millions in the box office takings.

          Are you fucking retarded? WTF did I just say? No one “needs” anything except what is required for survival. No one said they “need” any money upfront. That’s your statement as some sort of proof that actors don’t do work and that studios “make them privileged”.

          –When investors invest in a start up, they are investing in a business, not an individual human. The money is for building up a business. Investing in a start up to get a business up and running and making capital is nothing like giving an actor millions of dollars before the film is made.

          No shit Sherlock. Analogies aren’t supposed to be exact. They’re supposed to be similar you fucking idiot. If they were exact then they would be the same thing.

          WTF do you think the money goes to in investing in a business? Rental costs, business supplies and furniture, computers, and talent provided by PEOPLE, which means money is put up front to PAY PEOPLE’S salaries for the work that they are doing to do. They’re investing in a business to make a profit based off of products and/or services and the people who all help provide them, just like studios are investing in the ability of the main and supporting actors, writers, director, and crews to draw in an audience so that they can make a profit from the movie being made.

          –It’s not remotely comparable. They are not investing in the actor. The actor is not the “business”. They don’t “invest” in crew members either.

          You’re so clueless.

          –Nothing you say can beat these facts, loser.

          Just did.

          –Do all football players on the same team get equal money? No. Are the richest players always the top scorers every game? No. All the players are playing the same game. The richest player might not even score a goal, or gets injured and taken off the field. He still gets that big check. It’s not based on percentage of profits, hours “worked”, goals scored, scenes filmed or anything related. Sportsmen get weekly checks. Actors get money before doing anything, then money from the profits. And more than they should be given. That is the point you stupid whiny fuck.

          LOL. You’re an ignoramus who brandishes impotent arguments. Of course the richest players get paid more for their quality of work. That’s how they fucking got their higher salaries and signing bonuses in the first place. They don’t have to be the top scorers every game, but you damn fucking better believe that they are getting that big check because most of the time they are really good at doing the things that are required of them due to their COLLECTIVE HISTORY, just like the actors who get paid large amounts of money are good at what they do and are a significant reason as to why people go to see their movies.

          You’re just whiny crybaby because these people who are at the top of businesses they are a part of that make huge amounts of money get paid a lot more than you and it’s something you can’t do, so you have to shit on them and say they don’t work and they’re “privileged”. If it’s so fucking easy, why aren’t you doing it?

          Oh yeah, because – deeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp – studios just want to “make them privileged”.

          –It must suck to be a snooty little fuck who always wants to be right but never is. Nothing you say changes facts. You will never beat me in an argument. You have zero intelligence. You speak word salad psycho babble to roll turds in glitter… and you fail.

          It must suck for you to lose to a brown-skinned guy so much and be such a loser that the only way you can feel better about yourself is to shit on what other people do. How low is your self-esteem?

          I drink your milkshake.

          • Oh shit skin, you are thoroughly defeated. Just stop!

            “No one said they “need” any money upfront.”

            I said it cunt. And yet they are. A lot of it. That is privilege. They don’t need to be given that extra money before anything is done, but they are. Privilege. You lose. Again.

            “That’s your statement as some sort of proof that actors don’t do work and that studios “make them privileged”.”

            Yes studios make them privileged.

            Once again, you fucking worthless foreign fuck, being given money BEFORE anything is even filmed, is not being paid for anything. Why can’t you get that through your shit skin turban and into your little pea brain?

            Being given money, a lot of it, when NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE, is not earning that money. Get it cunt? That money was not earned.

            Once the film has made its money, the slice of pie these cunts receive on top of the money they were already given is disproportionate and excessive. Excessive privilege given to them by the studios. Thus, studios make them privileged. You lose. Again.

            You have lost this argument like all others.

            “and it’s something you can’t do, so you have to shit on them and say they don’t work and they’re “privileged”. If it’s so fucking easy, why aren’t you doing it?”

            Not everyone wants to be an actor you paki shit skin. Not everyone who does it is any good and no it’s not hard. It’s playing make belief.

            “Of course the richest players get paid more for their quality of work. That’s how they fucking got their higher salaries and signing bonuses in the first place. They don’t have to be the top scorers every game, but you damn fucking better believe that they are getting that big check because most of the time they are really good at doing the things that are required of them due to their COLLECTIVE HISTORY, just like the actors who get paid large amounts of money are good at what they do and are a significant reason as to why people go to see their movies.”

            Wrong paki boy. Connor McGregor is the highest “paid” UFC fighter despite his shit record and small number of fights in comparison to better skilled fighters. It’s not based on whose best.

            Once again, you fucking worthless little cunt:

            Giving actors a huge sum of money that was not earned, before anything has even been done, is not working for that money.

            It is not an investment.

            Then once the film or tv show is made, the money they receive on top of what they were given before anything was even done, is excessive.

            You have lost spanky. Stop trying to justify excessive privilege. Stop trying to justify becoming millions richer without even doing anything to begin with, to supplement the huge amount they will receive on top of that.

            Even years ago, the amount of money actors received was nothing like today, irregardless of box office takings or budget. They have been giving them more and more and a shit skinned, literally a shit skin defends this on the internet.

            According to you, if you were going to make a film about your Kristin Kreuk stalking and spanking obsession and brought in an actress to play her, you would give the actress a huge chunk of money before anything is even filmed, instead of just a portion of the profits, which you would also give excessive amounts of. That is the point. Loser.

            I hope Kristin Kreuk squats over your paki momma’s grave and squeezes out a stinky dookie. You would probably put the turd in a jar and build a shrine around it. Cunt.

          • Boooooohoooooo.

            Waaaaaah. Privilege. They make too much. Waaaaah.

            You’re just a whiny racist bitch. You have nothing but the comments here to cry and demean people. You’re one to talk about someone else having privilege.

            ROFL.

            Hope you enjoy prison, bitch.

            Waaaaaaah.

          • Speaking like a child and shrugging things off that you don’t like is not winning. You lost the argument. That is why you resorted to that little gay outburst.

            “Hope you enjoy prison, bitch.”

            What does that even mean? If someone is right, then prison?

            Hope you ‘enjoy’ the rest of your lonely, empty, womanless, childless, loveless, ‘life’, bitch.

          • You saying I lost the argument doesn’t mean jack shit bigoted bitch.

            You saying people getting paid up front makes them privileged doesn’t mean jack shit.

            You repeating things over and over again as if you’re right doesn’t mean jack shit nor will it ever make you right.

            You have nothing but the ability to put others down because you’re a loser yourself white trash.

          • “You saying I lost the argument doesn’t mean jack shit.”

            Yes it does. When someone so much smarter then you, spanky, beats you in an argument and tells you, believe it.

            —-

            “You saying people getting paid up front makes them privileged doesn’t mean jack shit.”

            Yes it does.

            Once again (and again), it’s not getting paid upfront. It’s not a deposit, it’s not an investment and it’s not wages. It’s not revenue from profits. And it is an awful lot of money not earned. Money that could of been taxed or given to a good cause. It’s like a publishing company giving $1,000,000 to an author upfront, before the book is written and before a single book is sold. No need to give up that cash but they do it anyway. And then the profits not being distributed equally and fairly. Extremely privileged. Like stani’s living in a white country.

            —-

            “You repeating things over and over again as if you’re right doesn’t mean jack shit nor will it ever make you right.”

            Yes it does.

            —-

            “You have nothing but the ability to put others down because you’re a loser yourself white trash.”

            Re-read that. Your grammar is off. Also, thank you for pointing out my skill.

          • —When someone so much smarter then you, spanky, beats you in an argument and tells you, believe it.

            What do you do for a living Bang-cunt? Or do you consider being a whiny, bitching, anti-liberal and bigoted troll on websites a career choice?

            — Once again (and again), it’s not getting paid upfront. It’s not a deposit, it’s not an investment and it’s not wages. It’s not revenue from profits. And it is an awful lot of money not earned. Money that could of been taxed or given to a good cause. It’s like a publishing company giving $1,000,000 to an author upfront, before the book is written and before a single book is sold. No need to give up that cash but they do it anyway. And then the profits not being distributed equally and fairly. Extremely privileged. Like stani’s living in a white country

            Yes it is dick. No one gets paid this kind of money up front unless the people who run the studios feel they’re worthy of it via their collective history. It’s an investment in them based on what they’ve produced previously, for work they have to do. They don’t just get paid and do nothing. Whether you consider it work – hard or otherwise – or not is irrelevant. It’s an awful lot of money in an industry that produces a lot of it, and it is paid as a result of what they consider the actor’s market value, not because you believe in some conspiracy theory to “make them privileged”. Points you keep ignoring because they prove your shitty argument wrong. Just because you call it “privileged” – which you have yet to define so you can’t even argue about it as the first rule of logical argumentation is the clear and unambiguous definition of terms prior to it – doesn’t make it so. Studios are for profit corporations. There is no such thing as a “good cause” in this argument. Their primary goal is to make as much money as possible. And hiring qualified actors for whatever reason or goal they have who people want to see is a significant portion of this ability to do so.

            —Yes it does

            No it doesn’t. Repeating 2+2=5 will NEVER make it true in all possible worlds.

            —Re-read that. Your grammar is off. Also, thank you for pointing out my skill.

            Being a massive douchebag isn’t a “skill”.

          • “What do you do for a living Bang-cunt?”

            What’s a “Bang-cunt” and how does it differ from a regular cunt?

            ——

            “Or do you consider being a whiny, bitching, anti-liberal and bigoted troll on websites a career choice?”

            More of a pass time.

            ——-

            “No one gets paid this kind of money up front unless the people who run the studios feel they’re worthy of it via their collective history.”

            They are not worthy of it. If doctors, nurses, vets and road sweepers don’t get good coin, useless cunts like actors should not. That tells society that a shitty actor is of higher general value then a military member who saves lives. Studios probably do believe that. The actor does not even have to be that well known. Your dream spank Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack are nobodies in the celebrity world, yet have been given millions. The bullshit argument that people pay to see actors is why they get so much money is wrong. Television is generally free. Yet the actor still can get a lot of money, even a not very well known one. Nobody is paying to watch television for free.

            ——

            “It’s an investment in them based on what they’ve produced previously, for work they have to do.”

            It’s not an investment. The film or television show will be made anyway. The excessive money they give actors has no correlation whatsoever with the box office takings or ratings once the film is made. It’s one thing to give an actor a small one off payment, but the inflated amount is wrong. Some actors take a huge inflated one off fee. Some take a smaller fee, if they can get some of the profits. Whatever the contract, it should not be inflated. Most millionaire actors are relatively unknown and people watch them for free on television. That negro Jussie Smollett is not very famous, yet was reportedly getting $60,000… an episode, when people could watch him for free. Ridiculous.

            ——

            “They don’t just get paid and do nothing.”

            They get an inflated amount of money for pretending. That is basically doing nothing.

            —-

            “and it is paid as a result of what they consider the actor’s market value, not because you believe in some conspiracy theory to “make them privileged”.”

            They consider it acceptable to give an actor nobody has heard of a five digit sum to play pretend per episode, where people can watch them for free. It is not a conspiracy theory. They are not conspiring to make them privileged. They just are. They really do make them privileged. The argument is they give them too much. They over value them. It’s too much to give one person.

            “Just because you call it “privileged” – which you have yet to define so you can’t even argue about it as the first rule of logical argumentation is the clear and unambiguous definition of terms prior to it – doesn’t make it so.”

            Yes it does. Privilege is an advantage that only a small group of people have. Usually excessive and unearned. This can be a spoilt rich kid, a celebrity who gets millions of dollars to play pretend, even female focused divorce laws.

            ——

            “Studios are for profit corporations. There is no such thing as a “good cause” in this argument.”

            There doesn’t have to be. They should just stop making actors excessively wealthy, including c-list television actors who end up millionaires.

            ——-

            “Their primary goal is to make as much money as possible.”

            They don’t need to give Jussie Smollett $60,000 an episode to do that. What a joke. They don’t even fairly distribute the money to essential crew members.

            ——-

            “And hiring qualified actors for whatever reason or goal they have who people want to see is a significant portion of this ability to do so.”

            They don’t hire them because people demand to see an actor in a particular role. Viewers are not casting agents. It’s not down to viewers. People watch television for free. They, perhaps yourself too, watch a television show just when channel hopping.

            The point is, they should cap the amount of money they give actors, even blockbuster Hollywood actors. China has put caps on the amount of money their actors receive because it was beyond a joke. The money actors receive, be it television or film, bit-part actor or A-lister, has been rising over the years. It was high before, ridiculous today. Read up on the tax payer money British BBC actors and presenters receive. 100% of the money comes from tax payers, who also have to pay a “TV licence”. It’s too much money to give to one person, for doing so little and it needs to stop.

          • –They are not worthy of it.

            Your subjective evaluation of their worthiness is irrelevant. Their worth in monetary terms is determined by a free market.

            –If doctors, nurses, vets and road sweepers don’t get good coin, useless cunts like actors should not.

            Doctors get pretty good pay. Regardless, you’re still talking as if the upper extremes are the average case and this repeated conflation has already been rendered null and void. The average working actor gets paid 25-30K per year. That’s not “good coin”. Average doctors get paid 150K per year. The best ones and usually the most sought after ones earn million(s) per year. It’s not as much as the $20+ million a select few actors get paid, but such doctors aren’t part of films that generate hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.

            –That tells society that a shitty actor is of higher general value then a military member who saves lives.

            No it doesn’t. All it tells society is that some actors earn a lot of money. Only if money is valued above everything else in a society, i.e., it is already a materialistic one, would it reinforce such an assessment.

            By the way, military members generally take away lives. They only save lives if they’re your soldiers.

            –your dream spank Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack are nobodies in the celebrity world, yet have been given millions.

            They were paid what the producers and other decision makers of the show determined their value to the success of Smallville to be and how much success the show actually had. Your subjective classification of them as “shitty actors” or “nobodies” in the industry is irrelevant.

            –The bullshit argument that people pay to see actors is why they get so much money is wrong.

            It’s not an argument. It’s simply an obvious fact. Classifications to actor skill and popularity exist, e.g., an A-list actor. What’s bullshit is your argument that the industry “makes them privileged” as if they’re just cardboard cutouts without talent and that’s why they get paid so much.

            –Television is generally free.

            No it’s not. There is no direct revenue for entertainment shown on “free” TV from the audience like there is for that which comes in the form of movies, cable television, or streaming providers, but entertainment is not free. Someone is paying for the content to be produced and remain on the air, and that is the producers making the investment and the advertisers who are paying for the commercial air time to sell their products. The latter price is directly proportional to viewership, which is determined by the demographics and the size of the audience.

            –It’s not an investment. The film or television show will be made anyway.

            Yes it is by definition:

            investment – the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.

            Your subjective evaluation of it as not an investment is irrelevant.

            –The excessive money they give actors has no correlation whatsoever with the box office takings or ratings once the film is made.

            Of course it doesn’t because such a classification is nonsensical. You can’t correlate money given to some future event that hasn’t happened yet. Movies are a gamble in the sense that there is an upfront cost like in any other business, i.e., an investment, the purpose of which is to make more money than what will be spent, and hence a profit. But this financial allocation is based on of the collective history of talent as has been already stated multiple times.

            –It’s one thing to give an actor a small one off payment, but the inflated amount is wrong

            There is no ethical issue here. The studios are a for profit business in a free market. They assess the worth of actors to the probability of success of their content based on the the collective history of the actors and pay them accordingly.

            –Most millionaire actors are relatively unknown and people watch them for free on television.

            Most millionaire actors are few and far between, have been doing it a long time, are good at what they do and/or provide something that many people want, and have been part of hugely successful show(s) or film(s). They often start out doing lower income jobs, do small acting parts here and there, only to eventually get their big break, and they maintain their success.

            –That negro Jussie Smollett is not very famous, yet was reportedly getting $60,000… an episode, when people could watch him for free. Ridiculous.

            It’s irrelevant whether people can watch him for free, or he’s not that famous. That’s not only what determines how much he’s paid. I don’t know why you think this makes whatever case you think you have any stronger.

            –They get an inflated amount of money for pretending. That is basically doing nothing.

            If it was just “pretending” or “nothing” then everyone could do it. But most people can’t and don’t.

            –They really do make them privileged. The argument is they give them too much. They over value them. It’s too much to give one person.

            It doesn’t matter if you think they are overvalued. The free market determines their value. Your rage is misdirected at actors – likely due to your anti-liberal views – but they’re only getting what a free market pays them. This argument is getting repetitive and it bores me now.

          • “Your subjective evaluation of their worthiness is irrelevant. Their worth in monetary terms is determined by a free market.”

            Free market or not, they give them too much. Communist China now puts caps on the money they give actors.

            ——-

            “Doctors get pretty good pay. Regardless, you’re still talking as if the upper extremes are the average case and this repeated conflation has already been rendered null and void.”

            Doctors are essential but actors are not. Doctors will never get the money actors receive. Pointing that out is not null and void.

            ——

            “The average working actor gets paid 25-30K per year. That’s not “good coin”.”

            We are not talking about the average actor. We are talking about those who receive excessive money.

            —-

            Average doctors get paid 150K per year. The best ones and usually the most sought after ones earn million(s) per year. It’s not as much as the $20+ million a select few actors get paid, but such doctors aren’t part of films that generate hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.

            Pharmaceutical companies are worth billions. Doctors distribute pharmaceuticals. Doctors don’t get millions for doing so. If people hand over their money directly to the doctor for a health service, fine. Studios giving the actor millions is not.

            ——

            “All it tells society is that some actors earn a lot of money. Only if money is valued above everything else in a society, i.e., it is already a materialistic one, would it reinforce such an assessment.”

            Celebrities being given millions and putting them on a pedestal does tell society they are something special above everyone else. Nobody wants a Navy Seals’ autograph

            ——

            “By the way, military members generally take away lives. They only save lives if they’re your soldiers.

            Killing Taliban is good. Saving innocent people and fellow soldiers is good. There is stolen valour. There is no stolen ‘pretend to be a Hollywood cunt”.

            —-

            “They were paid what the producers and other decision makers of the show determined their value to the success of Smallville to be and how much success the show actually had.”

            They over value. That is the point.

            “Your subjective classification of them as “shitty actors” or “nobodies” in the industry is irrelevant.””

            No it’s not. They are shit and not deserving of the excessive money. Far too much.

            ——

            “It’s not an argument. It’s simply an obvious fact. Classifications to actor skill and popularity exist, e.g., an A-list actor.”

            So? An actor can be hardly known but they still get more money then you. The actor could have 100,000 followers on social media, yet gets millions of dollars.

            ——

            “What’s bullshit is your argument that the industry “makes them privileged” as if they’re just cardboard cutouts without talent and that’s why they get paid so much.”“

            The industry does make them privileged. They give them a whole lotta money, beyond what they deserve. That is privilege. Many get protection from bad press, PR protection, put in five star hotels etc. Of course they are privileged and the studios do it.

            ——

            –Television is generally free.

            “No it’s not.”

            Yes it is. You can watch television for free and actors on those shows can be multi millionaires, even if most have never heard of them. Not everyone has cable or very new streaming.

            ——

            “There is no direct revenue for entertainment shown on “free” TV from the audience like there is for that which comes in the form of movies, cable television, or streaming providers, but entertainment is not free.”

            Yet these same actors can be extremely wealthy, such as c-listers.

            ——

            ”Someone is paying for the content to be produced and remain on the air, and that is the producers making the investment and the advertisers who are paying for the commercial air time to sell their products. The latter price is directly proportional to viewership, which is determined by the demographics and the size of the audience.”

            People are not paying to watch these people.

            ——

            –It’s not an investment. The film or television show will be made anyway.

            “Yes it is by definition:

            investment – the investing of money or capital in order to gain profitable returns, as interest, income, or appreciation in value.”

            Giving the actor millions of dollars is not an investment. Giving the camera man a fee is not an investment. When the studios give a production company a budget to actually make the film/show, that is the investment. When you (spanky), get your pay check, your employer is not investing in you to make profit. He is paying you for work done.

            ——

            “Your subjective evaluation of it as not an investment is irrelevant.”

            No it’s not.

            ——

            –The excessive money they give actors has no correlation whatsoever with the box office takings or ratings once the film is made.

            “Of course it doesn’t because such a classification is nonsensical. You can’t correlate money given to some future event that hasn’t happened yet. Movies are a gamble in the sense that there is an upfront cost like in any other business, i.e., an investment, the purpose of which is to make more money than what will be spent, and hence a profit. But this financial allocation is based on of the collective history of talent as has been already stated multiple times.”

            The point is, it’s excessive. They could give them half, or a quarter of that upfront and the results will be the same. Over value. If enough people start speaking out against this and boycott their bullshit, hitting them in their pocket, things would change.

            –It’s one thing to give an actor a small one off payment, but the inflated amount is wrong

            “There is no ethical issue here. The studios are a for profit business in a free market. They assess the worth of actors to the probability of success of their content based on the the collective history of the actors and pay them accordingly.”

            Give them less.

            ——

            –Most millionaire actors are relatively unknown and people watch them for free on television.

            “Most millionaire actors are few and far between, have been doing it a long time, are good at what they do and/or provide something that many people want, and have been part of hugely successful show(s) or film(s). They often start out doing lower income jobs, do small acting parts here and there, only to eventually get their big break, and they maintain their success.”

            Being few and far between makes them more privileged. They don’t have to of been doing it for a long time, or be good at it and may not be the reason people watch. They still get far too much.

            ——

            –That negro Jussie Smollett is not very famous, yet was reportedly getting $60,000… an episode, when people could watch him for free. Ridiculous.

            “It’s irrelevant whether people can watch him for free, or he’s not that famous. That’s not only what determines how much he’s paid. I don’t know why you think this makes whatever case you think you have any stronger.”

            Because giving someone mostly unknown, not even the main character, $60,000 an episode is beyond excessive. Most people won’t earn that a year. Studios must be made to put caps on these assholes. Hurt their pockets and they will have to change.

            —-

            –They get an inflated amount of money for pretending. That is basically doing nothing.

            “If it was just “pretending” or “nothing” then everyone could do it. But most people can’t and don’t.”

            It is just pretending. Most people don’t want to do it.

            ——-

            –They really do make them privileged. The argument is they give them too much. They over value them. It’s too much to give one person.

            ”It doesn’t matter if you think they are overvalued. The free market determines their value.”

            Studios do. And they over value them and they have been increasing their checks over the years. Government dictates how much civil servants earn. They determine taxes. If studios won’t do it, they should tax the fuck out of actors so they don’t get to keep all that coin.

            —-

            “Your rage is misdirected at actors – likely due to your anti-liberal views”

            The word rage is excessive, like their pay checks. Conservative actors are just as overpaid. Nothing to do with politics. Though, when privileged leftie actors talk down to everyone, that makes it more insulting.

            ——-

            “but they’re only getting what a free market pays them.”

            Stop giving them that much.

            ——

            “This argument is getting repetitive and it bores me now.”

            Then stop. I and many others acknowledge that studios over pay celebrities. If the studios can afford to give up that much money, they can afford to pay way more tax. If studios won’t put caps on actor money, then government should tax them much more. They didn’t used to give them this much, but do now. It’s inflation.

  • Shivani why sis you have to ruin a perfectly good essay by defaming Toni Natalie. Where Nancy offered her daughters to Raniere Toni made the supreme sacrifice and gave up her own joy of motherhood to protect her son from Keith. She is a heroine. Besides Nancy is not beautiful like Toni and beautiful women must be venerated, worshiped has adored. #LoveUToni
    She has the face that could launch a thousand ships and lead us all to victory.
    #mysternalQueenToni
    She is sinless and virtuous and not like Nancy and Lauren

  • ROFLMAO, sigh. Thanks, Shivani, needed that.

    Fact is, none of the sleazy Slutsman’s — most certainly not their jolly matriarch — will get their just deserves unless and until the NDNY prosecutes the plethora of NXIVM crimes perpetrated in that district.

    And, seeing as that might well be to the dire embarrassment of the corrupt politicos long lodged ass-deep in swamp muck in those parts, it’s looking as though that will take some doing.

    NDNY prosecutions may also mean the undoing or, at least, chafing of certain players on the National and International political scene.

    What’s most irksome to me is that this cover-up is also affecting the fair meting out of Justice even in the EDNY case.

    Raniere, himself, is grossly undercharged for starters.

    You ask which came first the chicken or the egg?

    …THE ROOSTER!

    • Heidi, thank you. I love you and Gina and if you got a laugh or two from my comment, I’m the happier for it. It has been so great to hear that you and Kristin’s loved ones could be together, music to my ears. These are moments so unforgettable.

      A few years ago, a dapper, handsome rooster showed up in our yard and stayed for many months. He was quite the adventurous, yet dignified fellow, and there was never once a fight between him and our cats. Of course we went to a feedstore and kept him fed. He’d strut the outdoor patio and walk very closeby where I was sitting, a jaunty presence, giving me side-eye.

      We liked him so much. One day, he left. It was a mixed feeling to lose his company, as he bothered some neighbors before dawn (hahaha!) but was quiet as a butler with us, just gurgling and sputtering, as if he had an “indoor voice” for the patio. Justin Cluckington!

      I am sure that he would have launched himself right onto Nancy Salzman’s mug, had he ever encountered that she-it. You could just tell he wouldn’t have suffered being anywhere near Salzman’s diabolical phoniness. Always, he looked like a very free thinker, speculative and inquiring. He never let us see or hear him involved with any chickens, since we don’t know any.

  • Shivani, I agree Nancy Salzman seems to be getting away with an awful lot when all is said and done with this case. I think that without Salzman and her skill at psychological manipulation Keith Raniere would not have had the success he enjoyed in drawing women to him.

    I also agree she virtually handed her daughters to a predator on a silver platter and invited him to dinner. It’s unconscionable.

  • Nancy Salzman walked out of court, after her plea deal with a big smile on her face, delighted at what she’d got away with. I hope her extensive crimes are fully investigated, and that she is brought before the courts to account for them. She was, after all, Raniere’s #1 partner in crime. She was his chief co-conspirator.

  • When I think of most mothers they are like “Mama Bears” willing to do anything to protect their cubs from danger.
    That is the way all parents (female and male) should be to some extent.
    There is a biological imperative to preserve the species by protecting the children.

    But when I see parents like Nancy Salzman and Rose Laura Junco trying to pimp out their daughters to Keith Raniere, a man who is an obvious pervert, it sickens my stomach.
    And all of the women of NXIVM to some degree were willing to pimp out children to Raniere.
    Nicki Clyne, Lauren Salzman and Allison Mack knew damned well that Raniere had a “fondness” for tender young female flesh.
    What happened to women protecting other women?
    What happened to “sisters” looking out for each other?

    I should mention at this point that Reverend Lauren Salzman, a Minister in the Universal Life Church, officiated at the matrimony of Nicki and Allison. In the old days anyone with five bucks could be ordained by mail order with the Universal Life church.

    “The Universal Life Church advocates for religious freedom, offering legal ordination to become a minister for a small fee, and in many cases free of charge, to anyone who wishes to join. The ULC has ordained ministers from a wide range of backgrounds and beliefs, including Christians, atheists, Wiccans and pagans, and people of many other faiths.[5] The ULC’s popularity stems in part from a rising interest in having friends or loved ones host weddings”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church

      • All of the women of NXIVM are children.
        And since Toni Natalie referred to another woman as “retarded” I will use that word to elaborate on my comment.
        All of the women of NXIVM who lived in the NXIVM lair of Clifton Park are retarded children.
        And the so called men of NXIVM are also retarded eunuchs.

        New York State should open up a special group home for the retarded children of NXIVM.

    • IIRC, Lauren testified that Nancy did not know for a long time that Lauren had slept with Keith. IIRC, Lauren testified that Nancy was not happy about it. So Nancy, with all her wrongdoings, may not quite be in the Rosa Laura category, if Lauren was being truthful about this.

      I remember the Universal Life Church from the Vietnam War era. Yes you paid a small fee to become a minister. It was a way to try to get conscientious objector status to avoid being sent over there as cannon fodder for the military-industrial complex in an endless regime-change war.

      • Thank you, Dianne. You do remember correctly.

        And when it comes to the “Nancy pimped her daughters out” narrative, thank you for not making me be the only one on FR who continues to remind people of this inconvenient truth.

        • Nutjob:
          The Inconvenient Truth is that when Nancy found out that Raniere was bopping her daughter, Nancy counted how much dough she was raking in with her Executive Success scam as well as the massive money laundering from Mexico and Nancy looked the other way.
          Nancy did not want to give up that nice house in Saratoga County not to mention the sporty BMWs for Nancy and Lauren to tool around in.

          • Are you changing your tune? Cause this is one of the only things you’ve typed on the subject that I can’t disagree with. Of course, you make it too simplistic and leave out pertinent data, but it’s a step in the right direction. At least you aren’t ranting and raving about pimps, the gifting of underaged daughters, and mommy/daughter threesomes.

          • I do remember Lauren’s testimony and I believe she thinks she spoke the truth but how could Nancy Salzman be surprised Keith Raniere was sleeping with her daughter? She knew him, possibly better than most, so what would make her think he couldn’t prey on her children when he preyed on all the others? Perhaps she was being willfully blind. Perhaps she thought since he was having sex with her he would never have sex with her children.

            Nutjob is adamant Nancy Salzman didn’t know and I would like to think the same but it’s hard for me to come to that conclusion given Nancy’s career. If she truly was surprised then she’s a fool.

          • I wouldn’t call myself adamant. I’d say the evidence leads to my viewpoint. I don’t know enough information to be adamant about it.

            Keith usually kept what he did with one woman hidden from the rest. This also came up during testimony.

      • The Universal Life Church was and is a joke.
        When my brother was a teenager in high school forty years ago he sent in his five bucks to be ordained as a minister in the Universal Life Church.
        And in the New York Times wedding announcements many of the weddings are officiated by mail order ministers with the Universal Life Church.

        Hey, Look!
        Richard Branson and Lady Gaga are ordained ministers with the Universal Life Church!

        Richard Branson Lady Gaga
        Ordination is Fast, Free, & Easy
        Perform Weddings Legally
        Gain Free Access to ULC Training Center
        Utilize our Wedding Ceremony Script Generator
        Over 20 million people around the world have already chosen to get ordained online with the Universal Life Church
        https://www.themonastery.org/landing/get-ordained?keyword=universal%20life%20church&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7uTgn_2F5gIVBaSzCh3LTwr9EAAYASAAEgInaPD_BwE

        And I know how the scam works in court.
        The reprobates get nabbed and immediately “find God.”
        Glory Glory Hallelujah!
        Lauren and Allison, Nancy and Clare have all found God!
        Praise Jesus, Brothers and Sisters!

        It’s like that scene in the movie “Guys and Dolls” where the gangsters find religion at the Salvation Army Revival.
        “And the Devil Will Drag You Down, By the Sharp Lapels of Your Checkered Coat.
        Sit Down, Sit Down, Sit down, You’re Rockin’ The Boat!”

      • Looking at Salzman with her daughters, I get the feeling that she favored one more than the other. I don’t know, just a sense. Since Lauren’s court testimonies, sometimes I’ve hoped that one day, she would find ways to get away on her own and have a chance to break free, maybe to get to know herself.

        But it is hard to assess what’s what or what is authentic from Lauren, especially considering her complex devotion to Raniere, how many years she remained, or might still be immersed, plus Lauren helped to keep a young woman imprisoned and seemingly did that without mercy for so long, etc.

        I do realize that having a mother figure like Nancy Salzman would be terribly difficult and full of conflicts, whether outward ones, inner ones or most likely, both. I guess we’ll know more when Judge Garaufis makes his decisions known, about the Salzman’s mutual entanglements, with some actual present-tense evaluations.

        Nevertheless, to me, Nancy Salzman is a dyed-in-the-wool sociopathic personality, who speaks and acts with complete unreliability, and usually very calculatedly, not that this is in any way unique. She is far from the first to go through life that way doling out so much harm and proud of herself for it.

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