Another Nail in the Coffin For NXIVM
At the time of the post, Rick Ross was being sued by Keith Raniere with the intent to shut down his website. He won a ruling in the 2nd circuit that prompted someone using the moniker Templar to write to Ross and congratulate him – and to also express his view of Keith Raniere and his poodle Nancy Salzman..
May 13, 2004 11:49AM
Do you hear the footsteps, Kieth? Can you feel the breath of your pursuer on your back?
The bell in the distance, Nancy, it tolls for thee…
This is only the beginning of the end for NXIVM. First, the town rejects their proposal for a global headquarters, then the courts scoffed at their attempts to silence their critics. And now their pathetic appeals have likewise failed.
Why anyone would trust a snake in the grass like Raniere is beyond my comprehension. God only knows what his pet poodle, Salzman, see’s in him.
I heard her divorce, prior to all this NXIVM baloney, was rather messy. The details may be a bit sketchy but I believe I remember hearing her husband had thrown her down a flight of stairs, twisted: must have been quite a sight.
Anyway Cheers Rick [Ross]!!!
Looks like Lady Justice isn’t dead yet.
moderator [Rick Ross]
May 14, 2004 12:34 AM
Thanks Templar.
I assume you mean the recent court ruling at the 2nd Circuit, which went against Mr. Raniere and Ms. Salzman?
It was not only a defeat for them legally, but really has lasting implications regarding any “cult” that tries to use copyright law as a tool to silence its critics.
It doesn’t work.
Incidentally, Scientology advised Raniere through an operative at the so-called “new Cult Awareness Network” (CAN).
CAN lady Nancy O’Meara boasted in an email that she was helping him.
Ms. O’Meara is a Scientologist and essentially is the “cult” grunt that answers the phone at “CAN.”
Here is some irony, Raniere is what Scientology often calls a “squirrel,” which is someone who uses their “tech” without attribution and/or permission. Much of his “rational inquiry” program is lifted from them. O’Meara and her superiors don’t seem to mind, at least for now.
Also, Nancy should have told the other Nancy at NXIVM that Scientology lost a virtually identical copyright case they filed using the same premise against the Washington Post.
Oh well, it’s a good thing for the further defining of copyright law and its use on the Internet.
But Templar, some of your language sounds a bit ominous and a little threatening. You probably just are using verbal metaphors. But let’s make this clear, no one is threatening Mr. Raniere, Ms. Salzman or NXIVM.
Whatever justice they receive will be legally meted out by the courts.
Again, thanks for the words of support.
May 14, 2004 07:05 AM
Heh as TangoTM can tell you, from years of experience reading my posts, I have been described as “rather clever and gifted with words”. Certainly nothing more than metaphor was implied.
Granted, not a tear would fall from my eyes were either of the two to meet their maker ahead of schedule.
The only thing Raniere or Salzman need fear is an honest living, and the adjustments they’d need to make to earn one.
May 14, 2004 07:35 AM
There is absolutely NO threat or intentionally implied wish for harm to befall Nancy Salzman or Keith Raniere or anyone involved with or associated with NXIVM.
Last thing I want is for one of the hundreds of people bilked by Consumer Buy Line to extract revenge and have my post looked upon as evidence or as a declaration of intent.

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So Raniere was a squirrel? He certainly has to guard his nuts now😁
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_law :
The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than win. The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway, well knowing that he is not authorized, will generally be sufficient to cause professional decease. If possible, of course, ruin him utterly.
— L. Ron Hubbard, The Scientologist, a Manual on the Dissemination of Material, 1955
Certainly the Raniere and the Bronfman sisters didn’t mind spending millions on cases that they ultimately lost. Per Frank Parlato’s blog post https://frankreport.com/2017/10/16/raniere-litigation-history-shows-he-abuses-legal-system-with-impunity/ :
One of Mr. Raniere’s consultants estimated that Mr. Raniere’s lawsuits have cost $50 million in legal fees – which Clare Bronfman and her sister Sara Bronfman have largely paid for. As far as is known, they have not won any cases where they collected any judgments, except for a single $100,000 settlement.
More examples of NXIVM ‘lawfare”…and more reasons that Expians might’ve thought it wise to stay quiet after leaving out of fear of legal action.
Not everyone is a fighter.
You mean not everyone has the resources to fight the Bronfman money. I guess not one of the other members and ex members has or had the resources.
Yes Consumers Buyline was a major scam that hurt hundreds . It was his early piggish behavior.
Hopefully a new Doctor Van Helsing will drive stakes through the hearts of both the NXIVM and Scientology Draculas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Van_Helsing