There has been much debate of late as to whether Allison Mack should be regarded more as a perpetrator or a victim (I suppose that in some sense, every “Master” in DOS probably could be considered a combination of the two).
To help sort this out, we’re going to go back and revisit the testimony of Nicole and Jaye – two of the women that were part of Allison’s slave pod.
We’ll start tonight with Nicole.
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To refresh everyone’s memory, here are a few pertinent facts about Nicole:
– She’s 31 years old.
– She grew up in Northern California.
– She’s a middle child – with an older sister and a younger brother.
– She attended summer acting schools throughout the time she was growing up.
– She attended college for one year – and then moved to Hollywood to pursue an acting career.
– She decided to move to New York City in 2015.
– One of her ex-boyfriends, Mark Hildreth, told her about an acting program called “The Source” – and encouraged her to sign up for the 5-week course.
– She did so – and borrowed the money for the tuition from her parents.
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The Source & V-Week 2015
Allison Mack was the host for “The Source” classes.
And Keith Raniere AKA Vanguard appeared in all the training videos that were shown throughout the course.
After she completed the program and moved to New York City, Nicole was invited to attend V-Week 2015.
She did so – and ended up sharing a room with Allison and Rebecca (Because there were only two beds in the room, she ended up sleeping with Allison).
One of her primary recollections from V-Week is how often Nancy Salzman referred to as Keith Raniere as “…the smartest man in the world”.
As she described it, that was “…weird because how would you know who the smartest man in the world is? And anyone who says that — it just sounds like bullshit to me”.
The courtroom erupted in laughter.
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Part 2 Of “The Source” – And Allison To The Rescue
Allison and Nicole stayed in touch after V-Week 2015 – and Allison convinced her to take Part 2 of the “The Source” in October 2015. Allison even lent her $4,000 to cover the tuition.
Eventually, Nicole became a teacher of classes for “The Source”.
But Nicole was struggling as she tried to adapt to her new life in New York City – and by February 2016, she sent an email to Nicole in which she says that she’s thinking very seriously about committing suicide.
Allison immediately came down to New York City to comfort Nicole – and to encourage her to become a member of DOS.
Allison told her DOS “… did not have anything to do with NXIVM”.
Allison also talked Nicole into providing “collateral” so that she could become a member of DOS.
For her collateral, Nicole handed over several letters that implicated her parents in a series of crimes.
Nicole described her understanding of DOS as follows: “A women’s mentorship where Allison would mentor me in life and that was going to, like, push me into my fears so that I could build the kind of career that I wanted and become the kind of woman that I wanted to be; that it was a secret, I wasn’t supposed to talk about it, but that it was – like, it was a women’s organization that also – that the women were pushing through their fears to be strong and build the life they wanted to build so that they could help people”.
Allison never mentioned to Nicole that Keith Raniere was the ultimate head of DOS.
Had she done so, Nicole said she would never have joined the organization.
Allison gave Nicole her first “assignment” as a DOS slave – which was to stop having sex with Mark Hildreth.
Her next assignment was “…to be celibate for three months” – which she also agreed to do.
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Quitting DOS IS Not An Option – And Nicole’s Next Assignment Is Contacting Keith Raniere
Eventually, Nicole decided that DOS was not for her – and she told Allison that she was quitting the group.
Allison immediately told her that “…wasn’t an option”.
She also told Nicole that if she ever left DOS, her collateral would be released.
Allison then gave Nicole her second assignment – which was to contact Keith Raniere and get him to respond to her.
After several futile attempts, Nicole eventually got Raniere to respond.
Raniere’s response is one of his classic word salad/ Chinese fortune cookie/bullshit/deep-thought messages: “True freedom in the physical world comes from absolute commitment to a principal (sic) with no tolerance for excuses or an out, escape. Only then do we find freedom does not depend on being able to do what we want; it depends on not being able to do what we want yet still experiencing self. Love is only measured through pain. Our ability to feel human pain determines the depth and strength of our love”.
[Not surprisingly, Raniere didn’t even know the difference between a “principal” and a “principle” – which, given his 2.26 college GPA, isn’t all that surprising].
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So, let’s see what we’ve learned so far about Allison Mack.
She’s an actor who walked away from her career in order to become involved with Keith Raniere and his Rational Inquiry™ training program.
She started a new program to train wannabe actors called “The Source”.
She responded to a potentially suicidal woman by recruiting her to become a member of DOS.
She threatened to release Nicole’s initial collateral when Nicole announced that she wanted to quit DOS.
And she targeted Nicole to be another of Keith Raniere’s sexual conquests.
What a peach of a gal Allison is
And we haven’t gotten to the really good stuff yet…
In our next posts in the series we will actually delve into the real testimony on Allison Mack and you can judge for yourself whether she is a victim or a perpetrator – or possibly both.
“Were you the one deleting people’s comments on Allison Mack’s website when she posted an article promoting pedophile scumbag Keith Raniere?” I don’t know. I don’t think so. I stopped working on her website around 2010 ish.
“I was in for a few years and left before the cray started, but damaged.”
Many people have said they left NXIVM damaged, even after one day of an intensive, but never give details. How would you say NXIVM affected you?
Also, what do you mean by the “cray”? The pedophile revelations in 2012 or the branding revelations in 2017?
The “cray” means any of it–All of it that was revealed. I didn’t actually know about the pedophile revelations until my partner researched nxivm and told me back in 2017. I’m not sure how I missed it. I’m not going to talk about the damage itself. Not yet. That’s not why I appeared here today. My message is that cults prey on anyone, no matter the ‘personality’ type.
Did you know of any wrongdoing in the cult? Tax evasion, money laundering etc? Rumours? People who were low level have claimed they knew tax evasion was part of the NXIVM teachings and there were even modules encouraging it.
I’d like to hear more from people who have been around the block with NXIVM. When we act like weird squares when they appear, it doesn’t help keep them here.
Mental Damage doesn’t always have ‘details’ as much as it has experiences, which cannot always be described. For some, they were fogged and/or dazed. Others may have had crisis of identity. And this is after only one day. Years of this yeilds much much more damage. Thank goodness for real psychology and therapy.
I had a 3-day interaction with her in Manhattan post her plea of guilty in court. She came in weepy and then flashed a smile. Second day asked me if I needed help with the dishes. The third day, she started off with “Hey girl” she’s a monster!
Where did this occur, and what’s wrong about smiling, helping with the dishes, or greeting you? Why does that make her a monster? Did you ask her what other crimes she committed, besides the ones she plead guilty to? That may have turned off her “monster” behavior.
Yeah, she’s always had a talent for Manic Defences.
The more afraid, lost, sad, or worried she is, the more she smiles.
so he is a monster just for trying to be kind, smiling is normal for anyone, if she uses it as a defense to not fall into a state of depression, anxiety or some other psychological disorder, her mind tries to adapt to the situation but her denial problems get in the way, but your problem is that you want to see her ashamed and scared to fit your image of what she should feel, but that has nothing to do with whether she has those feelings or not just her way of dealing and adapt to her situation, that’s just how fragile she feels about recognizing the truth, I guess that’s why the prosecution didn’t call her a witness.
Stef Mayhem:
During pretrial hearings, Allison Mack would crack jokes and flirt with men in the courtroom and conceal smiles and laughter behind a scarf.
When the judge entered the courtroom, Mack would turn glum and look like death warmed over.
It was like flipping a switch.
Allison Mack is a bit like the ancient Roman God Janus, a two-faced god.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus#/media/File:Janus1.JPG
An ordinary person, when given the opportunity, some feeble justification, and someone to give the order, will commit the most horrendous acts with only the mildest regrets, whether that person’s name is Joachim Peiper, Paul Tibbetts, or Allison Mack.
Allison Mack’s criminal behavior is neither unusual nor surprising. It’s all too typically ordinary.
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Ok, let’s back up. Reading all the comments, there is a common question: Allison, Lauren, and the others……were they programmed to do evil, or is it their nature? Are the victims or perpetrators?
The Patti Hearst situation comes to mind.
We all must admit one thing: most of the players here are beautiful. There. I said it. Vangone had really good taste.
But what psychology could trigger so many females, who could have done so much better, to do so much wrong for such an AHole?
I asked my prettier other half. Her response: “An emptiness and weakness and lack of confidence vanguard exploited.”
Thoughts?
Lost it all,
Human beings just want to fit in and belong….
…Just read an introductory evolutionary psychology book.
There is no need for psycho babel and discussing early childhood.
Niceguy, that is true. BUT, there is a personality type that falls for this crap. I wouldn’t have. Most wouldn’t have.
So a tad psychobabble to determine propensity may be necessary…..
Lost it all,
Good point!
Keith could spot that personality type from a mile away and was giddy about exploiting it.
I used to think this same thing. I am an ex nxivm member. I was in for a few years and left before the cray started, but damaged. Now I am getting a masters degree as a marriage and family therapist and focusing on cult survivors. I used to say “there’s a personality type who gets involved with cults” and knew I was including myself in this statement.
But studies show a different light. The fact is that any one of us may be in a cult as we speak. It’s not about personalities; it’s about transitions. When a person is in some type of transition of any kind, the cults will love bomb and find a way to exploit the persons values and weaknesses. We all have values, we have experience transitions and we all have weaknesses. It’s important to know that no one is impervious to cult membership. You may have the wits to recognize it or you may not.
Thanks for the insight, you may enjoy the radio show I did with Christine Marie Katas, which is currently the second show from the top here: http://www.buildingfortunesradio.com/scott-johnson-peter-mingils/ and here’s her website where you can contact her: http://christinemariekatas.com/home/
You were recruited into NXIVM by Allison Mack according to John Tigue’s coach list.
You were part of Kristin Kreuk’s Girls By Design fiasco.
Were you the one deleting people’s comments on Allison Mack’s website when she posted an article promoting pedophile scumbag Keith Raniere?
Tracy Chapman (some info) is a long time friend of Mack and Mack attended Chapman’s wedding.
SomeInfo,
Thank you for sharing that piece of info regarding cult membership/participation.
Have any reading suggestions regarding cult recruitment/brainwashing?
niceguy, Janja Lalich has some good books, Cults in our Midst and Bounded Choice. And a qualitative study published in “Psychiatry Research” journal called “Cult membership: What factors contribute to joining or leaving?” by Rousselet, Duretete, Hardouin, and Grall-Bronne. Additional reading sources are “Combatting cult mind control. Rochester” by Steve Hassan and “Insights From Cult Survivors Regarding Group Support” by Durocher.
Scott, thank you. I read her article about victim blaming. Great work there.
Best of luck going forward, Tabby !!
Thanks some info!!!
Agree with your prettier half.
Are you “married” to a pretend attorney like niceguy?
Nutjob,
I am not claiming I’m royalty.
😉
There are more attorneys in the United States than the entire world combined.
….That’s a fact!
No. I’m the attorney.
“Allison gave Nicole her first “assignment” as a DOS slave – which was to stop having sex with Mark Hildreth.”
Mark Hildreth is certainly a pretentious little bitch, but is it a yay or nay about him being a literal faggot?
his name pops up everywhere…except as an article on the FR…why?
He seems to have touched everything in the cult, and many of its women. But no story on him, just endless articles about Ally Wack.
Other than Kristin Crook and Nicole, who else?
A stunning and beautiful and talented woman who at one point in her life had it all.
I disagree..she didn’t have it all..her career was b-list at best and she had hit a brick wall professionally..people are quick to judge Hollywood types at face value assuming they are rich and living a life of exuberance..look behind the facade “all that glitters isn’t gold” as they say
What you say is very true, I remember that she posted something on her blog once, referring to her amanda character in the Wilfred show, she mentioned something about how with age and appearance the roles for women are more and more limited
She was on a television show for 10 years….
The women of NXIVM just did what Keith told them to do. This was his gig and they toed the line. For example, do you really think Allison gave a flying fuck if Nicole slept with Keith? Actually, yes – she probably wanted that to happen because Keith told her that’s what he wanted.
You do realize Allison is an adult and not a small child? When was “he told her to do it” a reputable excuse or reason for commuting crimes? You are absolutely deluded!!
I meant what I typed. I did not use it as an excuse. I typed fact. Do whatever you want with it, but it is the truth. I don’t have an agenda and don’t have a dog in the fight. I’m NOT saying the women don’t deserve to be punished. I’m saying what I said.
If you think these women made these decisions on their own or that DOS was all Allison’s idea, then you are the one who’s deluded.
“I vas chust vollowing orders!”
Great original and 100% accurate quote, Actaeon. There was zero difference between Nazis and Espians.
I do think there is a difference between looking at somebody as a criminal or looking at someone as a partial criminal and a partial victim. I scratch my head a little bit at how you like to pile on the females, and don’t like to acknowledge that Keith ran the show.
Maybe it’s just my simple brain at work, but I have this bizarre belief that Keith’s inner circle should be punished for laws that they broke AND I can feel pitty for how Keith led them down a dark path that screwed up their lives.
NutJob,
I agree with you.
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How come you are wasting your time battling the “women hater clan”?
You seem like you have a life. 🙂
I don’t have a life.
“Allison immediately came down to New York City to comfort Nicole – and to encourage her to become a member of DOS.
Allison told her DOS “… did not have anything to do with NXIVM”.”
You do know that it’s what every other member of DOS was doing …including your love, Lauren
“Allison never mentioned to Nicole that Keith Raniere was the ultimate head of DOS.”
So did every other member…including Lauren, India and …you get the idea
“Eventually, Nicole decided that DOS was not for her – and she told Allison that she was quitting the group.
Allison immediately told her that “…wasn’t an option”.
She also told Nicole that if she ever left DOS, her collateral would be released.”
A little precision Mr ‘I twist the fact’: She never threatened to release the collateral if Nicole left.
She said that Raniere said he wanted to release her collateral…Major difference there.
“She’s an actor who walked away from her career in order to become involved with Keith Raniere and his Rational Inquiry™ training program.”
Like all the victims, they all left a good life to be a member of this scam.
“She started a new program to train wannabe actors called “The Source”.”
No she didn’t, Raniere told her to do…He decided everything in it (like he did on everything)…You see how you twist fact? Even the prosecution recognized that Allison had NO POWER DECISION.
She lost everything and hoped (like many of the victim) that she could do something nice but HE spoiled it (like everytime)
You don’t sound anymore like defending Lauren but also Raniere! what a nice person you are!
“She responded to a potentially suicidal woman by recruiting her to become a member of DOS”
No, she didn’t she tried to cheer up Nicole first and then she proposed…I remind you that witnesses and proof show that Allison wasn’t exactly thinking straight and truly believed that this whole Dos program was beneficial for members.
This is what happens when a severe diet and sleep deprivation are applied FOR YEARS on someone.
It is clear, through the messages and things Allison says that she is believing that it’s going to help Nicole.
“She threatened to release Nicole’s initial collateral when Nicole announced that she wanted to quit DOS.
And she targeted Nicole to be another of Keith Raniere’s sexual conquests.”
No she didn’t, the court proved it was Raniere who wanted to release the collateral.
Nicole clearly stated that Allison said “i won’t release the collateral”. Raniere, on the other hands, said that he would release them.
As for targeting Nicole, let’s forget the Cami’s text that show that it’s was Raniere’s decision to select who and why…He clearly stated in the text “the slave might or might not have sex with me” he state that it’s his decision.
But please, continue to defend Raniere repeating Shadowesque’s lies.
I can guess how you’re gonna twist the truth again…It’s obvious that truth doesn’t matter to you as you changed fact to fiction. Ignoring the court details to make it sound like Allison is the only at fault while in court it showed that she did nothing more than follow the same orders that all the other DOS member were following…Much like Lauren or India or…
One question, why so much hate on Allison? you never even consider that anyone else was as implicate as Allison .
You even ignore WILLINGLY the proofs to fit your agenda (whatever it is)…
You never talk about Lauren in bad way while she did what Allison did, was having a decision power, was an executive of Nxivm, was making 100000$ as a salary, was really zealous in recruiting.
I remind you that Lauren was amongst those who dragged Allison in this whole cult.
She was also in the inner circle for a LONG LONG time, contrary to Allison
She was also in the DOS reunion (those that people only remember Allison was in and pretend, despite the court indication of the contrary that she parted in creation because she said “Ok…ok”)
She, like India and others also recruited and India’s slave was targeted as a sex slave too…BY RANIERE! It was the same in every pod.
She (Lauren) participated in the imprisonment of Dani and was there when Cami (at around 15) was really close to Raniere (while Allison wasn’t even a member of the cult back then)
Stick with the fact Shadow 2 And i’m waiting for “act 2” to be able to destroy your fallacious and false argument about Allison.
I’m not expecting to be published (in comment, i mean) as lately, it seem like someone decided to consider that my point of view was nefast for the lie spread around here.
Also from the trial transcript of Nicole’s direct testimony:
Q Now, in terms of the collateral, specifically, did the conversation change what you felt about the collateral?
A Yeah. It seemed like somewhere in that mix the collateral went from something that was, like, supposed to be just you won’t talk about this and you’re just giving me more information to — so basically, it’s like to your — your word, your commitment to Allison, all of a sudden sealed the collateral. So now if I ever broke that commitment, I was breaking my word, which meant the collateral would be released. And so you were like — or I was, what? Like what?
Anonymous,
The same individual can be both villain and victim.
Keith Raniere stated to Mark Vincete that he was “trying to break her(Allison Mack).
I believe Allison is a victim.
Even though she is a victim, she is still culpable. Allison helped to coerce and blackmail women via collateral into sexual relations with Raniere. One of the women that were blackmailed had been the victim of sexual abuse as a child.
Allison Mack victimized and blackmailed that woman.
You don’t get a free pass in the criminal justice system unless, at the time of committing a crime, you had a gun to your head.
Judges in a criminal trial are not God.
Only Allison Mack and God know her true motivations…
……That is why Justice is blind. Justice is impartial and objective.
Allison Mack’s crimes were not victimless. Allison did not simply cheat on her taxes or lied on a marriage certificate. She extorted women in to having sex with a sexual predator.
She deserves no more or no less than the sentence the judge gives her.
And 2 comments not published…
Niceguy :
Except she was not the villain, not anymore than the victims themselves…She was in the same position, like it or not (No wait, she was in a worse position as Added to collaterals, she was Under the diet for YEARS , try that diet (without the sleep deprivation) for a couple of Week to see the result.
“Even though she is a victim, she is still culpable. Allison helped to coerce and blackmail women via collateral into sexual relations with Raniere. One of the women that were blackmailed had been the victim of sexual abuse as a child.Allison Mack victimized and blackmailed that woman. ”
I said many time that she isn’t an innocent victim…but she is not the monster that some of the “lowlifes” around here try to make her…
She did Nothing more than the others INCLUDING INDIA.
The blackmail is not complete if you do not use the collateral clearly as a mean of pression and Allison never did it, it’s Raniere who did it!
And no, she didn’t. She was as much victimized and it’s Raniere who did ALL THE ABUSE…
“You don’t get a free pass in the criminal justice system unless, at the time of committing a crime, you had a gun to your head. ”
Excuse me but that EXACTLY WHAT INDIA HAD…She committed the exact same crime as Allison but they consider that her collateral forced her…Yet Allison who was in the same position and confirmed by Vicente (an important member of Nxivm) to be a victim is just a perpetrator ?
The only perpetrator here is Raniere. In a normal judicial system, the collaterals should have exonerate Allison who didn’t had a choice and had a gun on her head.
“Judges in a criminal trial are not God.
Only Allison Mack and God know her true motivations…
……That is why Justice is blind. Justice is impartial and objective. ”
I agree but one thing
First we do know the motivations-ish from the things she said…She believed it was seriously a beneficial program…
i’ll add that everyone could have known her motivation more clearly if the prosecution didn’t wanted Allison to stay a criminal instead of listening the Truth and admitting she was just another victim…
To further push this, in a prostitution case (like they almost make it sound), they try to say Allison is a “top girl” and in this position, there is a law in USA that protect her as she was FORCED TO DO WHAT SHE DID!
“Allison Mack’s crimes were not victimless. Allison did not simply cheat on her taxes or lied on a marriage certificate. She extorted women in to having sex with a sexual predator. ”
Excuse me but once again you twist what happened…they might not be victimless but she didn’t extorted to have sex with sexual predator…
She didn’t extort fully (no threatening) ,She COLLECTED THE COLLATERALS like ALL THE OTHER DOS WHO INVITED SOMEONE IN DOS…
Why does she deserve more time in jail than the other who did THE SAME?
Don’t answer, i know you can’t, you are, like many moron here (not saying you are one but on this point, you are blind), focused in seeing her punished for the same thing we give a free pass to anyone else Under the fact that they were victims…
Allison is a victim. First a victim of Raniere, then victim of justice and finally a victim of the lie of people like Shadow, Joejoe and others like them.
“She deserves no more or no less than the sentence the judge gives her.”
She is a victim so unless it’s a no jail time, she deserve less than the judge gives her…
They (nxivm) destroyed her life completly…and this started with people like Lauren (who get also sort of a free pass despite the many crime she DID commit)…
Now justice wants her to be punished to be FORCED TO DO THINGS while they accept that IT MAKES A VICTIMS OF ALL THE OTHERS.
Anonymous,
Allison Mack took the plea deal…
No matter how you or I or anyone else feels, her life is in the judge’s hands now.
I have been on a restricted diet for a prolonged amount of time.
I went 4 days without food or water outside in the wilderness near the old naval base North of Jones Port Maine.
Your IQ plummets and throw in sleep deprivation and your mind starts to semi-hallucinate. Raniere tried to break Allison according to Mark Vicente.
I do have sympathy for her and all of the victims.
The law is the law for a reason.
An example would be the prosecution of parents who leave their children in hot cars during the Summer months. I am sure there have been a few accidents but I there have also been few murders.
Can you tell the accident from the murder?
“A little precision Mr ‘I twist the fact’: She never threatened to release the collateral if Nicole left.
She said that Raniere said he wanted to release her collateral…Major difference there.”
No difference at all.
That’s how extortion works.
Threats are made in passive sentences to hide the fact that the speaker is the person really making the threats.
No court in America would fail to see that it was Allison Mack really making the threats.
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““Allison immediately came down to New York City to comfort Nicole – and to encourage her to become a member of DOS.
Allison told her DOS “… did not have anything to do with NXIVM”.”
You do know that it’s what every other member of DOS was doing …including your love, Lauren”
So because everyone in DOS was doing the same thing Allison Mack was doing somehow makes it legal?
All that means is that all of the top tier people in NXIVM DOS were and are extortionists and sex traffickers.
That makes it all the more imperative to move the NXIVM prosecutions to the NDNY in Albany for more trials.
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““She’s an actor who walked away from her career in order to become involved with Keith Raniere and his Rational Inquiry™ training program.”
Like all the victims, they all left a good life to be a member of this scam.”
They are NOT victims.
They are fools who willingly choose to be CRIMINALS.
Perpetrators of extortion, blackmail and sex trafficking.
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“One question, why so much hate on Allison? you never even consider that anyone else was as implicate as Allison .”
Allison Mack was Raniere’s First Mate in crime.
Allison Mack literally soiled her pants to serve as Raniere’s Chief Pimp.
As for Lauren Salzman there is some belief that she and Allison Mack competed to serve as Chief Pimp and Lauren lost out probably because Mack was even more servile to Raniere’s whims.
And there was probably a feeling that Mack, who is younger than Salzman and an actress to boot, would attract younger women and actresses to the harem.
And Allison Mack won the booby prize.
And yet another unpublished comment, so much for the freedom of speech or the “giving an open tribune”
Shadow:
I know your hate is blindening you but the difference is major!
Once makes on an extortionist , they other , a simple pawn that collected the package…The jail time isn’t exactly the same for both…once get 20 potentially , they other a max of 2 years
“So because everyone in DOS was doing the same thing Allison Mack was doing somehow makes it legal?
All that means is that all of the top tier people in NXIVM DOS were and are extortionists and sex traffickers.
That makes it all the more imperative to move the NXIVM prosecutions to the NDNY in Albany for more trials”
Except that there is no sex trafficking for Anyone but Raniere, and this included lower level DOS too!
India was second line and did THE SAME! Jayes started to recruit but luckily for the victim, Nothing happened.
Plus you come back with the ndny : THEY WON’T TRIAL A CASE ALREADY PROSECUTED! moron…
“They are NOT victims.
They are fools who willingly choose to be CRIMINALS.
Perpetrators of extortion, blackmail and sex trafficking”
Once again, no sex trafficking was proved and second, moron, you do understand that my statement was including people like NICOLE and JAYES? that means there is no extorsion for them neither.
Moron!
“Allison Mack was Raniere’s First Mate in crime.
Allison Mack literally soiled her pants to serve as Raniere’s Chief Pimp.”
I didn’t expect more from a lowlife like you…but let’s stick to the facts, shall we?
She wasn’t, she wasn’t more than another victim…this is clearly showed in court that Allison is not more powerfull than anyone else and she follow the same orders as every other members of DOS
If anything, Allison was clearly hated by Raniere…
As for Chief Pimp , Stop with your BS, you really try to see if I’ll send the info to the authorities? you are lying, deforming what was said to fits your sick mind but the Truth is if Allison was a Pimp, she would not have been a victims of the collaterals or FORCED TO DO THE SAME THINGS AS OTHERS…
If you want so much to compare it to prostitution and give the top stop to Allison, she would be a “top girl” in the hierarchy and funny but US law as a code that forbid to prosecute a “top girl” as they are forced to do the crime like the other victims…
Ask a real lawyer (not joe joe, he doesn’t know it)
“As for Lauren Salzman there is some belief that she and Allison Mack competed to serve as Chief Pimp and Lauren lost out probably because Mack was even more servile to Raniere’s whims.
And there was probably a feeling that Mack, who is younger than Salzman and an actress to boot, would attract younger women and actresses to the harem.
And Allison Mack won the booby prize.”
Believes have no place in a prosecution, moron…Only facts matter.
During the trial the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT WAS SAID BY YOU WAS SHOWN.
In reality, if I Believe that you are probably a psychopath deep Inside…does that mean you are?
Think about it!
Believe Facts!
If Mack just did “what every other member of DOS was doing,” then she wouldn’t have been one the 5 key conspirators and human traffickers indicted by the grand jury that reviewed more evidence, and heard the testimony of more witnesses, than we’ll ever be aware of here – and she wouldn’t have made a deal to plead guilty to charges.
And, again, in the US judicial system – which you’re apparently not very familiar with – and quite justly, those who carry out and facilitate the criminal orders and plans of higher-ups, are also criminally responsible. Mack, for instance, could not only have refused to do things that were wrong, but walked away – as did many others, including most of those who got into NXIVM with her.
“If Mack just did “what every other member of DOS was doing,” then she wouldn’t have been one the 5 key conspirators and human traffickers indicted by the grand jury that reviewed more evidence, and heard the testimony of more witnesses, than we’ll ever be aware of here – and she wouldn’t have made a deal to plead guilty to charges.”
First of : That is absolutely not a fact…The Reason they choosed to indict her more than India of others is
1. One of the victim was recruited by her
2. She is “famous” ish and prosecutor likes that…A properly prosecuted case with jail time (this case wasn’t properly prosecuted) means a potential BIG promotion…
potential becoming a judge.
3.There is no more evidence against Allison than the other…on the contrary!
4. There is no human trafficking involved for Allison, or she is a victim of it herself.
You see, you play double standard there…She was victim of everything the victim complained about and even more (because she was abused physically, contrary to the Nicole or Jayes or Sylvie)
You willingly ignore that one of the victim of the same abuse say clearly that it was Monica (if i recall properly) that was her “master” and yet, Nothing happened to Monica.
You can’t win this argument either as to win it , you’d have to demonstrate that Allison was not coerced to do it (which she was).
First try to see and understand the facts and then come back and try to “argue” with me.
“And, again, in the US judicial system – which you’re apparently not very familiar with ”
I know the US judicial system way better than you do…
“and quite justly, those who carry out and facilitate the criminal orders and plans of higher-ups, are also criminally responsible. Mack, for instance, could not only have refused to do things that were wrong, but walked away – as did many others, including most of those who got into NXIVM with her.”
No she couldn’t…If Nicole couldn’t refuse to have sex with Raniere, if she “couldn’t” refuse to get a picture taken, it was due to collateral…
Was Allison Under a collateral? yes she was!
In reality, the collateral was not the only coercion mean on Allison, she was Under the strict diet and sleep deprivation and that is not the case for Nicole who was fit for Raniere.
In a NORMAL trial, this would have been a factor to cancel charges as the impact make the people act like they were Under “forced influence”.
But of course, this is not a normal trial so everyone twist the facts to their own…
Also, you talk about Allison that accept to do the wrong things (when she didn’t had the choice) but willingly forget that in one occasion Nicole WILLINGLY (and admitted it) ask Raniere to have sex with her…
BTW, i also remind that during trial it was said that Allison asked Nicole to meet with Raniere (second assignment) but they didn’t had sex…only after a few encounter they did and Allison was not cited as asking Nicole for those…Nicole was asked direclty
So let’s try to keep the implication of Allison to the realistic level…She was collecting the collaterals, period!
Just like India (who had her case dropped despites the proofs) , just like Lauren, Monica , Jayes and many others!
Even Cami (who was not Following properly her diet) was about to do it…worst yet, with an underaged person!
And she was coerced (much like Nicole and Sylvie and many others) to do what they were told.
(And before we come with the false allegation about the “chihuahua girls” or “the fondling”, let’s stick to the fact, those are either fairy tales (well , more like urban legend i should say) or potential facts that didn’t include Allison!)