Rock’s Hard Line Responses to Kevin’s Forgiving Views on Forced Labor in Raniere’s Case

India Oxenberg

Rock Around the Block does not agree with Kevin on much.  And here is a little back and forth with the emphasis on Rock’s responses to Kevin’s views.

Kevin wrote:

A woman [victim], Kristin Snyder, who decades earlier, drowned herself, does not matter [to the media or prosecution of Raniere].

The two Ginas, Hutchinson and Melita, do not matter. The other girls who allege they were molested in the 80s/early 90s do not matter.

Rock wrote:

How can you possibly say Kristin Snyder and the two Ginas “do not matter”? Don’t you think that’s completely disrespectful to their families, friends, and the people who knew them?

Kevin wrote:

What I was trying to get across was that the press and authorities treated the two Ginas and Krystin Snyder as if they didn’t matter, by not pursuing the circumstances behind their mistreatment, or in Snyder’s case, her death.


Unfortunate choice of words then? Communications – grade c: could do much better. Agreed, they [media and prosecution] should have done better. Likewise, the police in Albany should have been onto Raniere from the outset. My suspicion is that the Bronfmans had some of the more senior people on the payroll.

Kevin said

“But that those same authorities and members of the press jumped to the rescue when the alleged victims were more Hollywood friendly.”

Rock said

You gotta admit it was a big scoop for the NYT – the story and the branding pics. That’s what people like to read about – titillated exclamations round the breakfast table and lively discussions in the workplace alleviating the banality of life. Stories shock and papers sell. You ain’t ever gonna change that in a free world.

Kevin said

“Transcribing a video and rating articles is not forced labor. If it is, why weren’t other people who did the same things, either within ESP or in other situations, also compensated and protected?”

Rock said

I’ve done transcription work myself. It takes about 4 times longer than the actual audio to transcribe properly, and it’s tedious in the extreme – that’s 20 hours of tediousness. Life’s too short for that shit unless you’re getting really well paid for it. And rating articles by Raniere of all people – that sounds even worse; it’s not as if you’re appraising Shakespeare. Personally I’d rather have taken 30 swats from Padilla. At least in ESP you could up sticks and head for the hills without worrying your collateral might be released!

Keith Raniere and Dani Padilla

Dani Padilla was one of Keith Raniere’s first line masters.

I imagine Cami wasn’t given much choice either.

From Keith’s perspective, all women are naturally lesbians, so where’s the harm? Only they’re not, so no surprise Cami’s on Team Sarah, maybe a bit more money in it too. As you know, I’m a big fan of wealth redistribution.

Nicole was laid on this table, nude and blindfolded. Camila entered and performed oral sex on her. Raniere spoke to her and watched. He got 40 years for that sex trafficking incident.

Of course, disabled people are discriminated against. That’s why there needs to be better laws to try to prevent that. Some progress has been made, but it’s up to society to pressure politicians to do more locally and nationally.

Thankfully, I’ve never seen a disabled person mistreated, but it would make me pretty upset if I did.

India Oxenberg

India comes across as a truly beautiful ul person, and I’m not just talking about looks. There’s a dignity and depth to her that’s hard to put into words. She’s modest and measured in her responses in a sincere way, and genuinely reflective and forgiving.

I can tell it’s not fake – as my moniker suggests, I’ve been around the block a few times!

India’s the kind of girl who would have no problem rolling up her sleeves and mixing it with anyone. Dyslexic people can often be the smartest, and educators/companies are beginning to value their unique perspectives when problem solving.

Believe me, Kevin, I’m all too aware of poorer kids who don’t have the same opportunities, and that’s why education should be properly funded for all, right up to and including third level. Getting people to take out a virtual mortgage for a college education is completely unacceptable. A better educated workforce generates wealth for society, so society should invest in it to a greater degree (no pun intended).

You reap what you sow.

I read Nicole’s testimony, and what she said sounded highly credible. She came across as highly pressured, having to hold down a night job at the same time, and agreed to do the work because she just wanted to diffuse the pressure she was feeling from DOS.

She clearly felt coerced into taking it on. Do you think without the collateral and threat of penances, she would have agreed to it?

Do you think she would have agreed to be tied down and blindfolded, not even knowing who or what was giving her head, and with Raniere reading some shit to her the whole time, and no doubt getting some kind of perverse sexual gratification from the whole spectacle?

Those are the kind of life skills no right-minded person would ever want to develop.

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  • Kevin is stuck on a few facts or descriptions of things. The only work he sees done without pay is transcribing a video. There was much more work done by several more people. For no pay. Walking of dogs, cleaning of houses, etc. Not just one person was hurt by this.

        • Just to clarify, the dyslexia thing regarding India comes from Kevin him/herself: Where Kevin actually came by this information, I’m at a loss to say, though I have made my suspicions concerning “Kevin’s” identity public on more than one occasion. Suffice it to say that Nicki and India became quite close after Allison’s departure – you might remember that Nicki took charge of Allison’s ‘slaves’, one of whom was of course India, during the dying days of DOS.

          Rock Criticizes Kevin’s Article on Ethan Klein Interview and Nxivm Scam
          February 26, 2023

          February 26, 2023 at 7:01 pm

          “Since you find India to be sincere, are you aware that she’s dyslexic? That a big part of why she joined in the first place is because teachers and administrators in traditional educational settings made her feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, and unwanted? Those are her words, not mine.

          And this is someone who checks off every single box on the social status checklist. So imagine what other kids with the same or similar conditions experienced, but who didn’t have her looks, money, family, or social status.

          You don’t have to imagine it. I’ll tell you. They cleaned the school. They prepared and served the food. They removed the garbage, cleaned the trays and tables, and saved their schools hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in custodial costs.”

  • Where are the male plaintiffs? Where are the male victims? If the parent company’s membership was half male, and most of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit were never in DOS, then why aren’t an equal number of men suing?

    Because they never did volunteer work?

    Or because the image of a bald, bearded man with dragon tattoos claiming to be the victim of a forced labor conspiracy for having helped set up a community event wouldn’t generate any sympathy from a judge or jury? So Sarah and Mark intentionally left them out, hoping to play the “girl tied to the railroad tracks” game?

    • Kevin,

      Last I heard the male plaintiffs were in your butt.

      A dragon tattoo is ‘meh’

      A bearded dragon tattoo is dope tho.

    • Male plaintiffs/victims:

      Mark Vicente
      Anthony Ames
      Owen Giroux
      Warne Livesey
      Nils MacQuarrie
      Philip Akka
      Chad Williams
      Rod Christiansen
      Anthony Madani
      Ken Kozak
      Jeffrey Goldman
      Scott Star
      Alejandro Balassa
      Christopher Black
      Robert Gray
      Rees Alan Haynes

    • Kevin, you are 100% correct. This is sexism, full stop. If a parent asks their child to clean their room, is that forced labor? If a guy drives his adult female roommate to have sex with her adult boyfriend, is that sex trafficking? Don’t get me wrong, these NXIVM people are fucking batshit crazy, dingbats. But they are not this big criminal human smuggling, sex trafficking cult they say they are.

      ~ Pilgrim

      • Does a child provide collateral? Is it OK to infantilize grown women by paddling their bare asses? Has the female roommate provided collateral? I get you and you ARE wrong.

        You sound as batshit crazy as a fucking Nexian.

  • Nicki Clyne

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    • Hey Nicki, I really care about the Constitution and our civil rights. That’s why I wouldn’t vote for a guy who threatens to suspend or abolish it. I also care about prison reform, which is why I wouldn’t vote for a guy who doesn’t give a shit about it, but who plans to reduce the prison population by increasing executions. Don’t think about that though – just keep giving out sandwiches if it makes you feel better.

    • Any chance you’ll be talking to Amanda about Fox News and the Dominion lawsuit? I hear it’s trending now. LOL
      Maybe the toxic spill in Ohio? That’s kind of topical too right? How I love ribbon cutting ceremonies! Don’t you?

    • Hey Nicki – thought you might be interested in this, fresh off the press:

      Reminds me of a great song:

      First verse says it all:

      Southern trees bear a strange fruit
      Blood on the leaves and blood at the root
      Black bodies swinging in the southern breeze
      Strange fruit hanging from the poplar trees

      See, who you vote for really does matter.

    • Watched it all, Nicki. The Dersh was OK in his pseudo-sincere way, he’s being do it all for so long. Seem to remember he got Epstein off on a sweet plea deal enabling him to go out and abuse a few more girls before they finally nailed the fucker. Kevin makes a pretty good point when it comes to that sort of thing, but I guess you don’t read his comments too often (LOL).

      Still no proof as to who tampered though, or when it was done. Strange how the Feds knew exactly where to go to find the camera, the hard drive and the card, just 2 days after Raniere was arrested! That’s what really interests me – the timeline. Do you think it’s possible the Feds were tipped off by an insider? Had to be someone quite senior in the organization who was pretty close to Keith. And someone who knew all about EXIF data…

      I just LOVE a mystery! Don’t you?

  • Times Union

    Jailed NXIVM leader says he’s prison ‘trophy target’
    Keith Raniere tells federal prison bureau in appeal notice that he’s in “imminent danger” and a victim
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    Robert Gavin
    Feb. 28, 2023
    Updated: Feb. 28, 2023 6:10 p.m.

    Citing the deaths of notorious inmates James “Whitey” Bulger and Jeffrey Epstein, jailed NXIVM leader Keith Raniere warned prison officials he is in imminent danger as a “trophy target” if transferred from his Arizona federal lock-up to a more restrictive facility.

    “I am a high-profile political case. I am labeled as a sex cult leader of Hollywood actresses and an abuser of women,” the 62-year-old convicted sex trafficker from Halfmoon said in a handwritten administrative appeal to the federal Bureau of Prisons.

    [ … ]

    Raniere said being placed in a CMU facility or even a similar facility such as the Tucson prison “can mean death for me like Whitey Bulger.” And while Raniere’s mission statement in NXIVM told followers there were no ultimate victims and that people could choose not to be a victim, he reminded BOP officials that according to the prison’s investigative staff, “I am a victim.” He noted being assaulted last summer.

    [ … ]

    Raniere reminded BOP officials that high-profile defense attorney Alan Dershowitz, who defended Epstein in his first prosecution, has expressed support for the NXIVM guru’s claims that he was framed by the FBI.

    [ … ]

    Scott Taylor, a spokesman for the Bureau of Prisons, said the agency “does not comment on pending litigation or matters that are the subject of legal proceedings.”

    • “Raniere reminded BOP officials that high-profile defense attorney Alan Dershowitz…has expressed support”


      This guy is a total ass-clown. Did he also remind them that the Dalai Lama also once “expressed support” too?

      Due to the tune of a $2 million check. I wonder how much Dersh got paid for his “support” of “ifs”?


  • Rock has bad perception. India is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. A rich spoiled brat who plays with unsuspecting people’s emotions.

    All, I have made it a mission to bed a Dead-ender. Any recommendations for an icebreaker/pick up line?

    ~ Pilgrim

      • How about “ give me some a buncha money and tell me about every shitty thing you ever did or thought of doing, tell me every bad thing your family did, let me take pictures of your twat. I’ll use it as collateral against you. But don’t worry, I’m the smartest man in the world!”

        Works every time

  • Who cares what Kevin thinks? Who cares what Rock thinks about what Kevin thinks?
    Who cares about the recycling of readers opinions?
    If this is all the Frank Report has now, why bother to continue publishing?
    There’s plenty of worthwhile issues domestically and internationally to explore. So, …. why not solicit writers domestically and globally to explore them?

    • I would like to see an investigation into pedophilia in the Democrat Party, starting with Biden. Although it’s so rampant in the Democrats Party, it would be a never ending investigation and take up all Frank Report bandwidth.

      ~ Pilgrim

      • Suspect DJT was into that a bit. Wasn’t he a fellow traveller of Epstein’s? And then didn’t he say stuff about Ivanka when she was like really young, and barged into the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant dressing room when the girls were half naked? “Don’t worry,” he told them, “I’ve seen it all before.” I’m sure you have Donald…

        And what about Giulliani with Baron Cohen’s daughter? Oh, and then there was Roy Moore, Nathan Larson, Mark Foley, Dennis Hastert….

        It’s actually a pretty long list, Pilgrim, but you can read all about it here:

        Ever heard of that old expression – people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?

    • Just wait up a second, Anon 10.14pm. You are aware of the roots of FR, I mean how it started and why? It’s all about NXIVM right? As in a blog about all things relating to NXIVM. That to me is the bread and butter of FR.
      “Kevin”, in case you weren’t aware, is the mouthpiece for the Deadenders who remain steadfastly supportive of NXIVM and Keith Raniere. He/she is just as entitled to make comments on this blog as anyone else. And that, in my humble opinion, is a good thing. The interesting part is hearing from ALL sides. Wouldn’t it be really boring if everyone was saying exactly the same thing?
      Can I suggest that if you really want to explore “worthwhile issues domestically and internationally”, go read the Washington Post.

    • Omg 😆 you ask who cares? Who cares about what you think? That’s epic. Love that irony .THIS is WHY we all love the Frank Report!

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