Kevin’s most recent article – on Ethan Klein Interview, Raniere’s Hasty Verdict, and Stop Shunning Dead-Enders – prompted a rather opposite reply by Rock Around the Block, whose virtual friends call him Rock.
By Rock Around the Block
Ethan Scored Big
Aristotle’s Sausage wrote about Ethan Klein’s interview of Marc Elliot, “All Ethan did was give Marc Elliot rope, and Marc hanged himself.”
100% – my exact thoughts as I watched
Aristotle wrote, “Marc Elliott has done more to discredit the Nxivm scam than anyone other than Raniere himself!”
Agreed, though Nicki Clyne comes a close second in her interview with Scott Adams. Of course, the gullible moronic Adams gave her a pretty easy time, but that just made them both look twisted. And we all now know what fascist Scott’s politics are all about. Birds of a feather and all that:
It sure is funny when Deadenders spew out about ‘hate’ when it is actually the people they consort with, and align themselves to who are its most avid promoters.
Thus Spake Kevin
Kevin wrote, “Marc Elliot and his friends don’t have high social clout, which is a bigger crime in the eyes of the public than the crimes his friend, Keith Raniere, is in prison for.”
Not sure what planet you’re on there, Kevin. Where I’m from, not having high social clout is to be commended.
Not sure Ethan threw Marc down the stairs. It was more a case of Marc leaping down them headfirst from a massive height. And Marc did claim that he had overcome “his disability”, that’s assuming he actually had one in the first place.
And I’m really sorry to disabuse you, Kev, but I’ve never met a single person in my life who would hate someone because of their disability. The total opposite – people like Ethan who bear their disability with resilience and fortitude are widely respected for their forbearance.
Ethan Klein told Marc Elliot he had Tourettes and expressed doubt Elliot ever had Tourettes.
And, Kevin, there’s a Grand Canyon of difference between ‘abandoning your friends or principles’ and honestly admitting when they’ve fucked up and maybe their principles sometimes led to people getting hurt. Unfortunately, remorse did not seem to feature in Marc’s lexicon, or perhaps even his brain. Do you sometimes feel it? I really think Marc made an example of himself, and Ethan just allowed him to.
Nicole was a Victim
BTW Nicole, [the forced labor and sex trafficking victim in the Raniere trial] just like many in DOS, was terrorized. She was also raped. Fifty articles [written by Keith Raniere] to review and write about? FFS[ for fuck’s sake], that’s more work than your average undergrad does in three years! Get real. And I’ve seen India interviewed many times – that girl’s straight up; you can always tell.
Rock says India Oxenberg, who starred and produced a docuseries called Seduced on STARZ, is truthful and sincere.
How can you possibly say Kristin Snyder and the 2 Ginas “do not matter”? Don’t you think that’s completely disrespectful to their families, friends and the people who knew them?
Kristin Snyder disappeared in 2003 after being thrown out of a NXIVM class in Anchorage, Alaska. Her body was never found. Frank Parlato produced a documentary The Lost Women of NXIVM for Investigation Discovery that explored hers and other women’s deaths or disappearance.
Kev, there were no patents ever granted to Raniere. Wanna know why? Cos the guy was a total fraud and a chancer whose only skill was to brainwash people and fuck them. He was about as real as Marc’s tourettes.
Link to Raniere’s patent application for Rational Inquiry, which the US Patent Office rejected.
NXIVM Means You Never Have to Say You’re Sorry
Finally, Kevin, there’s a gulf of difference between ‘abandoning your friends or principles’ and honestly admitting when you’ve fucked up and maybe your principles sometimes led to people getting hurt. Unfortunately, remorse did not seem to feature in Marc’s lexicon, or perhaps even his brain. Do you sometimes feel it? I really think Marc made an example of himself, and Ethan just allowed him to.
Susan Dones proves Marc Elliot is a fraud again! He admitted to ‘fake ticking’ https://twitter.com/SusanDones/status/1630180994157522944?s=20
What we all suspected – guy’s a total phoney
Did anyone confront rosario Dawson or Jennifer anniston
The second Mark Eliot take down is even better:
What I was trying to get across was that the press and authorities treated the two Ginas and Krystin Snyder as if they didn’t matter, by not pursuing the circumstances behind their mistreatment, or in Snyder’s case, her death.
But that those same authorities and members of the press jumped to the rescue when the alleged victims were more Hollywood friendly.
Transcribing a video and rating articles is not forced labor. If it is, why weren’t other people who did the same things, either within ESP or in other situations, also compensated and protected?
If Nicole was attacked, why wasn’t the woman who performed the illegal sex act in question charged with a crime? Why were the other people in the room who watched not charged with a crime?
I’m not asking you or anyone else to answer these questions, because there are no answers. It’s only to get you to see that there are a lot of pieces to this puzzle that are missing.
You are entitled to your opinions about Marc Elliot, the Tourettes study, and anything ESP related. But did you actually say that you’ve never seen a person with a disability mistreated or discriminated against?
You’re kidding, right?
Since you find India to be sincere, are you aware that she’s dyslexic? That a big part of why she joined in the first place is because teachers and administrators in traditional educational settings made her feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, and unwanted? Those are her words, not mine.
And this is someone who checks off every single box on the social status checklist. So imagine what other kids with the same or similar conditions experienced, but who didn’t have her looks, money, family, or social status.
You don’t have to imagine it. I’ll tell you. They cleaned the school. They prepared and served the food. They removed the garbage, cleaned the trays and tables, and saved their schools hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in custodial costs.
Oh, but Nicole, she had to rate an article and transcribe a video. A task that she volunteered for as a 29-year-old woman.
That’s somehow a crime, but the things that are done to kids by the Government schools, ran by the same people who protected Nicole, things that are far worse, are not crimes?
Think of it this way; the organization was teaching Nicole life skills. There, fixed. I feel better already. Don’t you?
But it’s not “the same authorities’.
Or “the same” press.
The crimes were decades apart
Kevin, you are the one who wrote a long, boring piece about crimes that were allegedly committed in your school many decades ago. And how things were DIFFERENT back then.
Based on that writing you are well aware that over time how sexual assault and other crimes are treated historically has changed. Both in the press and with the authorities.
No matter how you try to conflate all of the crimes of Keith Raniere that were committed over many decades and use them as a distraction from the more current criminality your attempt at twisted logic and whataboutism just doesn’t work successfully.
“What I was trying to get across was that the press and authorities treated the two Ginas and Krystin Snyder as if they didn’t matter, by not pursuing the circumstances behind their mistreatment, or in Snyder’s case, her death.”
unfortunate choice of words then? Communications – grade c: could do much better. Agreed, they should have done better. Likewise the police in Albany should have been onto Raniere from the outset. My suspicion is the Bromfmans had some of the more senior people on the payroll.
“But that those same authorities and members of the press jumped to the rescue when the alleged victims were more Hollywood friendly.”
You gotta admit it was a big scoop for the NYT – the story and the branding pics. That’s what people like to read about – titillated exclamations round the breakfast table and lively discussions in the workplace alleviating the banality of life. Stories shock and papers sell. You aint ever gonna change that in a free world.
“Transcribing a video and rating articles is not forced labor. If it is, why weren’t other people who did the same things, either within ESP or in other situations, also compensated and protected?”
I’ve done transcription work myself. It takes about 4 times longer than the actual audio to transcribe properly, and it’s tedious in the extreme – that’s 20 hours of tediousness. Life’s too short for that shit unless you’re getting really well paid for it. And rating articles by Raniere of all people – that sounds even worse; it’s not as if you’re appraising Shakespeare. Personally I’d rather have taken 30 swats from Padilla. At least in ESP you could up sticks and head for the hills without worrying your collateral might be released!
I imagine Cami wasn’t given much of a choice either. From Keith’s perspective all women are naturally lesbians, so where’s the harm? Only they’re not, so no surprise Cami’s on Team Sarah, maybe a bit more money in it too. As you know, I’m a big fan of wealth redistribution.
Of course disabled people are discriminated against – that’s why there needs to be better laws to try to prevent that. Some progress has been made, but it’s up to society to pressure politicians to do more locally and nationally. Thankfully I’ve never seen a disabled person mistreated, but it would make me pretty upset if I did.
India comes across as a truly beautiful person, and I’m not just talking about looks. There’s a dignity and depth to her that’s hard to put into words. She’s modest and measured in her responses in a sincere way, and genuinely reflective and forgiving. I can tell it’s not fake – as my moniker suggests, I’ve been around the block a few times! India’s the kind of girl who would have no problem rolling up her sleeves and mixing it with anyone. Dyslexic people can often be the smartest, and educators/companies are beginning to value their unique perspectives when problem solving.
Believe me, Kevin, I’m all too aware of poorer kids who don’t have the same opportunities, and that’s why education should be properly funded for all, right up to and including third level. Getting people to take out a virtual mortgage for a college education is completely unacceptable. A better educated workforce generates wealth for society, so society should be investing in it to a greater degree (no pun intended). You reap what you sow.
I read Nicole’s testimony and what she said sounded highly credible. She came across as highly pressured, having to hold down a night job at the same time, and agreed to do the work because she just wanted to diffuse the pressure she was feeling from DOS. She clearly felt coerced into taking it on. Do you think without the collateral and the threat of penances she would have agreed to it? Do you really think she would have agreed to being tied down and blindfolded, not even knowing who or what was giving her head, and with Raniere reading some shite to her the whole time, and no doubt getting some kind of perverse sexual gratification from the whole spectacle? Those are the kind of life skills no right-minded person would ever want to develop.
Kevin I want you to debate all this with Ethan Klein
—Since you find India to be sincere, are you aware that she’s dyslexic?
So who are you “really” Kevin?
You’re definitely not a former employee of the SmallVile production team.
Busted. Liar, liar, pants on fire!
Well spotted – kind of gives it away really
Joe Biden harped constantly on Beau Biden getting cancer from Burn Pits where toxic chemicals are burned.
Well Joe Biden has turned the whole town of East Palestine Ohio into a giant toxic burn pit.
Rumor has it Shadow you might be more delusional than Nicki Clyne:
Watch Joe Biden poison the people of East Palestine, Ohio
A Song for East Palestine, Ohio…
Oh’ brother Shadow…..
The EPA is an organization that Trump railed against….Coal mines e.t.c.
ShadowState1958 is starting to redefine the meaning of delusional.
Biden is guilty of continuing Trump’s policies and the press turning a blind eye.
Quite a few policies of Trump I support. However, I’m not a
Zombie follower like Shadow.
Actually Shadow it was your mate Donald who got rid of all the regulations you might remember. Thing about regs is they’re there to protect people, not as some on the right might claim to stymie business. And when the shit hits the fan, the GOP is great at one thing: pointing the finger at someone else, even when they know it’s a blatant lie like Fucker Carlson.
Hey Frank, think that the final paragraph gets repeated?