Dateline NBC Exclusive: Doctor Defends Branding NXIVM Members
In an exclusive interview, former NXIVM member Dr. Danielle Roberts defended branding members of the alleged sex cult, telling NBC News’ Kate Snow that she was not acting as a doctor but as a member of a social group.
The two-hour special Dateline will air on Friday at 9/8c.
Also appearing, in addition to Dr. Roberts, will be Catherine Oxenberg, India Oxenberg, Nicki Clyne, and Frank Parlato, the man widely credited for bringing Nxivm down.
Clyne, as anticipated will be defending Keith Raniere, the founder of Nxivm and the leader of DOS, the master-slave sorority.
Everyone but Dr. Roberts has appeared before but this is Dr. Roberts’ debut.
Dr. Roberts says in her interview that the women “wanted” the branding and were not “harmed.”
Speaking to NBC Dateline, Dr. Roberts said she was not acting in her capacity as a physician when she branded the DOS women. Roberts said she branded 17 women altogether.
The branding ceased after Frank Parlato revealed the existence of DOS on the Frank Report.
Dr. Roberts stressed that she was not acting as a physician, an argument that is the core of her defense in her hearing before the NYS Office of Professional Medical Conduct. (OPMC)
Dr. Roberts told Dateline’s Kate Snow, “They [the DOS women] had no idea who the branding technician was going to be, you know? There was no patient-physician relationship,” Roberts said in a clip of the interview, which will air in full Friday night.
She insisted that she never believed she was causing anyone “harm” by “branding” them. The practice is also called scarifying.
No license is required to scarify another individual.
“I think pain and harm are two different things. You know, I think people are making an assumption that people were harmed. Nobody was harmed in this,” Roberts said.
“These women wanted this, they asked for this. You know, I mean and I understand now that narrative has changed and they’re saying other things,” she added.
She also claimed the women “were laughing” at the time.
Also on the show will be the voice of Keith Raniere who was interviewed by Frank Parlato for NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt just prior to his sentencing. Dateline Producer Tim Uehlinger also participated in the Raniere interview and will appear on the Dateline special asking Raniere questions.
From Nicole Clyne’s Twitter account
I’m all for exposing hypocrisy and double standards, but focusing on Cuomo’s sexual advances is a huge distraction from his political corruption. I know two hard-working medical doctors who were targeted by his administration after a smear campaign led by the NYT. (1/2)
· 2. März 2021·Twitter Web App
[Nicole Clyne is referring to Dr. Danielle Roberts and Dr. Brandon B. Porter.]
The law states that to be licensed as a physician in New York State you must “be of good moral character.”
Being knowingly involved in a deceptive, coersive plot involving long-term threat of blackmail, sleep deprivation, starvation and punishment for stepping even slightly out of line to permanently brand people with the initials of a narcissistic, sociopathic cult leader does not exhibit anything even beginning to resemble moral character.
Danielle needs to lose her license.
Anyone who wants to contact the New York State Department of Health Office of Professional Medical Conduct about this matter can do so:
1-800-663-6114 – Complaints/Inquiries (Monday-Friday 9:00 a.m – 5:00 p.m.)
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1) Willfully abusing a patient
2) Conduct in the practice of medicine that evidences moral unfitness
3) Failing to use appropriate sterile environment and/or without appropriate infection control and/or without the use of sterile technique
4) Practicing the profession fraudulently or beyond its scope
5) Practicing the profession with gross negligence
6) Practicing the profession with negligence on more than one occasion
7) Practicing the profession with gross incompetence
8)Practicing the profession with incompetence on more than one occasion
9) Willfully failing to file a report required by law
10) Willfully or grossly failing to comply with federal, state, or local laws, rules or regulations governing the practice of medicine
11) Performing professional services which have not been authorized by the patient
12) Failure to maintain records
Anyone interested can download the relevant official document here:
Dr. Danielle Roberts Instagram page
Office of the Professions
NYSED / OP / Professions / Medicine / License Requirements
Any use of the title “Physician” or practice of medicine within New York State requires licensure. (However, under specified limitations defined in Section 6526 of New York State Education Law, you may be exempt from licensure.)
To be licensed as a physician in New York State you must:
– be of good moral character;
– be at least 21 years of age; and
– meet education, examination and experience requirements.
You must file an application for licensure and the other forms indicated, along with the appropriate fee, to the Office of the Professions at the address specified on each form. It is your responsibility to follow up with anyone you have asked to send us material.
The specific requirements for licensure are contained in Title 8, Article 131, Section 6524 of New York’s Education Law and Part 60 of the Commissioner’s Regulations.
You should also read the general licensing information applicable for all professions.
RE: To be licensed as a physician in New York State, you must: be of good moral character.
In New York State, this requirement should be deleted without replacement, since in New York State having a good moral character seems to have no meaning.
Dr. Danielle Roberts
Facilitator of Healing, Bodhi Mastery, and Self-Discovery
Tonight’s show is sickening. Roberts needs to be arrested and lose her license tonight. What is New York waiting for? She seriously says that because she wasn’t practicing medicine at the time, she should keep her license. Well, not everyone is doing their day job when they commit a CRIME.
Lol, you are a funny dude. She didn’t commit any crime. You would wanna be fired from your job because you are an asshole in your personal life, would you? I didn’t think so. Though I must say people who are unable to differentiate between personal and private life should be dealt with at a distance, as they clearly don’t understand boundaries.
That weak argument isn’t going to fly with the medical board. If Danielle can’t put up a better argument than that, she’s going to lose her license, as she should.
Let’s break that down a bit. You are correct that Roberts has not been indicted for a crime. It would be difficult for a DA to bring charges and get a conviction when faced with the fact that some of the assault victims wanted to be branded. But not all of them wanted to be branded. They were restrained. Some later said they were branded against their will. A crime was committed (probably assault), but sadly not a slam-dunk prosecutable one.
But the decision for the board should be easier given the interview. Roberts used a surgical device to be used on the skin as a branding tool – not what that device is designed for. It was used outside of a clinic or hospital. Roberts was chosen to do the branding presumably because she’s a “doctor.” But her license is weak. She’s a DO, not an MD, and frankly, that means that she couldn’t get into a major medical school (UCLA, U Miami, U Texas, SUNY, U Minnesota, U Mass BU, Tufts, etc). Also, she was in a position to report a respiratory illness outbreak that hit attendees of V Week in 2016, but she didn’t report it. Some board members want her license revoked for that alone.
She just made it very easy for the board to come to a decision. She has no remorse and her defense is incredibly weak. She even said in the interview that if she tried to act remorseful, ask for forgiveness and tell the women she assaulted that she is sorry, she wouldn’t have her heart in it. She believes that she owes no one an apology. She refuses to do what is necessary to save her license. I wish her well in her next career.
No one has stopped any of these DOS die-hards from speaking out.
That was their choice.
Too bad they weren’t stronger.
Maybe if they were double-branded on the puss with an old pervert’s initials, took tons more close up vagina photos of themselves and their slaves, went on more extreme diets, grew out their pubic hair longer, sexually serviced an old disgusting male cult leader more often, pimped out more of their friends, and especially gotten that last group blow job done…
Maybe then they would have been strong enough. Oh, well. There is always the civil suit.
The DOS defendants can take the stand.
Doubt they will though.
Contrary to what you may think, the defendants in civil lawsuits can not refuse to testify if they have been properly notified and called as witnesses. But they can still claim their 5th amendment rights if they are asked questions that, if they answered truthfully, would cause them to admit to committing criminal acts.
So unless the DOS-8 — and others who are still supportive of NXIVM/ESP — can figure out how to avoid being served, they may well end up on the witness stand and be asked questions under oath. Fortunately for them, they have all been taught that it is OK to lie — even when you’re under oath — if doing so is more ethical than telling the truth.
K. R. Claviger,
I did not know that! Thank you. Admittedly, I was thinking of the Jeffery Epstein videos. Where he did plead the 5th a 1000 times. I think those were depositions though. I especially enjoyed his refusal to acknowledge that he had an, ” egg shaped penis”. Jeffery really hated that question.
I admire these women
Finally, they get to speak. It’s such a shame that people satiate so much in hating them. And yet they persist, and they even speak without any anger towards the people who attacked them. I think these women will change the world.
Sounds like someone drank some Koolaid…
The World’s Smartest Child Rapist™ and The DOSistas are on a full-court media press, obviously with the approval and oversight (if not direct writing and editing) of their attorneys.
My take is that they are showing a willingness to testify in court to negotiate a better settlement in the civil lawsuit. However, the hand they are showing here seems rather weak.
Although I think this most likely will result in a confidential settlement, it would be fascinating to watch it go trial.
Perhaps they think all this nonsense will get those who have pleaded guilty not to renounce “Vanguard”, DOS and NXIVM? That seems like a farfetched goal given the two sentences handed down so far, but when has that ever stopped these cultists?
How fortunate that Nicole Clyne, as an unemployed alleged millionaire, still finds the time to attack the victims of Keith Raniere and his accomplices, including herself, who supposedly benefit from their victim status when they would much rather not be victims at all and just claim their right to restitution.
From Nicki Clyne’s Twitter account
Bad things happen in life. People can be victims of bad things and they deserve support. But victimhood is not a career or a PR strategy, nor should it be exploited for profit or personal gain.
In the case of DOS, things didn’t just ” happen”. I mean those women didn’t just trip and fall on hot cauterizing pen and Keith’s penis.
The ultimate example of refusing to show responsibility. They should show Nicki’s Twitter feed in court.
Why the deception around DOS? The need for collateral? Getting branded didn’t seem like a choice… not to mention it was described as an eastern philosophy symbol tattoo about one inch (not KR initials branded 3″ x 2.5″). Why are women considered less accountable than men? I find this absurd.
I think women are held more accountable in the workplace, home, family, parenting. Just ask any single mother with a deadbeat ex (or an alcoholic/abusive/narcissistic husband) that also cared for their aging parents until passing. I raised two daughters on my own.
I took care of my parents until they passed. There was no relief or co-parent or anyone else being held accountable to provide, protect and parent, or comfort/care/practical support for me to have a break or extra money to treat myself — there was no indulgence or dodging of responsibilities. The way women are thought of as weak and manipulative by your DOS group is degrading… not to mention how degrading you treat yourselves as slaves and sex objects. As a woman who has felt like a slave to responsibilities with no one else to count-on for anything other than kind words, which doesn’t pay bills or clean house or raise children or give care to aging parents/children/pets/garden/plants, I have always felt like society needs to make accommodations in how men are able to shirk responsibilities on many levels from providing for children, co-parenting or taking credit for work/ideas/management actually done by women in the workforce, as they leave early to go golf/take two-hour lunches/pose for a photo/attend an event. Additionally, most married women avoid friendship with single mothers unless they want free child care or to unload about their marriage or their affair. If you really want to do something empowering for women, why not start a movement that addresses how society treats single mothers?
Single dads raising children are treated with compassion and an outpouring of support by other women and respected by other men as doing something they doubt they could do. These men are held up on pedestals and catered to generally. Single women get treated like shit. Everyone is waiting to blame you if your kid fucks up or your car breaks down or you are late for work or your house is a mess or you buy cupcakes for the bake sale instead of making them from scratch. Everyone evaluates you to see if you’re looking frazzled, exhausted, or gaining weight… or if you look good, then you get accused of trying too hard to get a man or likely sleeping around or trying to get laid. Why not start a group that changes the dialogue about this and offers practical support to single mothers?
No branding, no collateral, no horrific lies contrived about loved ones, no nude videos, no nude photos, no seduction assignments, no pledge of sexual fidelity to a polyamorous man. It might actually help you as women realize how much you are capable of being and productively doing since whining about who you are and society seems to be all you have going for you. There are plenty of worthy causes in society. You may always begin by loving yourself enough knowing you don’t need to be a slave to anything but manifesting your dreams and desires. It’s not what you say, it’s what you do!
Anonymous at 10:16 am
I totally agree with your comment. I have wondered if being privileged, wealthy and mostly having no children made them easy marks for this, ” pampered women” fallacy.
I want you to know that I see you. You deserve better and I know that is not your point or what you are asking.
Just wanted to say that your comment is much appreciated and very much agreed upon.
Wishing you all the very best in life
Thank you! What a wonderful surprise to read your comments on my post and to me personally. You have me smiling and starting my day off great. I am determined to build a beautiful life for myself where I discover more – and your words give me added fuel. My mantra that I repeat to recenter and reframe is all of life flows to me with effortless ease, joy and grace. Wishing you everything awesome
Anonymous at 10:16 AM: This touched me a great deal, and I believe it adds important considerations to these discussions on the Frank Report. Many thanks for sharing this. My heart goes out to you. I understand what it’s like to struggle to meet responsibilities with little to no apparent appreciation. But we do it. We are a bad ass women. We do what must be done every day, without the need to be branded.
Delightful to be in the company of bad ass women on Frank Report, Nancy Durkin! Let’s educate the DOS-8 on what being a Bad Ass woman looks like and feels like. Women like us and Moms Work Very Hard!, we have proven tested trust (confidence in oneself) and tenacity to ourselves by knowing we can push past circumstances and keep giving, providing, contributing, being purposefully productive and true to our inner-power where we uphold what is right, responsibilities, and our own expectations consistently — every day.
We are creators of a solid foundation of love and practical needs so others may thrive. I know there are many of us women that sacrifice and often struggle to keep meeting relentless responsibilities without appreciation or even a break to be renewed or rejuvenated or to experience the luxury of a vacation or new clothes or our house fixed up as we envision or even the luxury of exploring our own potential, dreams and desires. There are many women in support roles in the workforce that go the extra mile for their bosses or team to excel and for them to be recognized and rewarded.
Keith writes about tested trust. My ultimatum for the DOS-8 is to ask themselves how they can learn how to be autonomous and in this find “tested” trust within themselves (not with Keith or anyone else’s approval) knowing individually they can do anything as they create to their vision upholding their truth no matter what is thrown at them. What I am talking about doesn’t involve slavery to a man, coercion, branding, collateral, group blow jobs, dieting because your Master told you…. or family money, a company bankrolled by a NXIVM connection, media attention or a flimsy group that doesn’t really stand for anything of merit but shows a group of needy, lost women seeking the limelight… it just involves YOU.
Yes, anon. I very much enjoy your perspective. It strikes me that when Keith drones on about “trust”, “vows”, “devotion”, and “commitment”, he is referring to what he expects of his women, for himself. I have no idea how he came to the conclusion he would deserve any of this. He seems to think love and devotion are a one-way street – all directed to him and him alone. I speculate he has no conception of what meeting responsibilities and commitments entail. He can only draw on the skewed experience of being pampered and waited on all of his adult life.
When any of his adoring followers fall on hard times such as early menopause, hair loss from starvation, sickness, exhaustion, bankruptcy or career ruin, he turns to ice. Where is the return commitment and service? Where is the love?
He has never “reared” his own child; in fact, he abandoned at least one of them who survived his normal abortion mandates, and left another in Mexico to attend a group blow job. Not an early riser, I would be shocked if he could function day-to-day without his army of adoring women and men.
Those who must, who have true dedication, get up every morning and do what they need to do. And when they lie down at night, even though tired, they sleep very well indeed.
I am glad Keith is writing from prison, because he may be giving us insight into his sociopathic mind processes.
Wow!! That was great😍
What a beautiful and heart-warming thread. Thank you.
How do they support themselves now and protect what they have from civil damages? After reading your comment, my mind is exploring connections married to motives amongst the categories of Keith’s appeal; the pending civil lawsuit; NXIVM remainders (public & private), DOS 8 (and those privately still enslaved), Keith, named litigants in the civil suit, Mexican contingency, and money/assets to provide for oneself.
Perhaps the divorce between Mack & Clyne where they state their individual net worth (Clyne on Twitter) is to create a misconception that is accepted as truth by being reported heavily in the media so folks in the lawsuit believe pockets aren’t so deep (besides Bronfman sisters). One of the grievances of Keith and the remainders is the media painting an unfair narrative making something/someone good or bad.
They choose only to see good in Keith and their slavery as a form of enlightenment. Certainly, they can’t be held accountable, as this could potentially make them a victim. Perhaps, they participated in money laundering and other schemes pertaining to sex trafficking of children or even themselves working as sex workers under directives of their master for him to gain power or leverage and they now want to hide this… or perhaps, they are trying to get on the post-cult gravy train by having a neo-DOS/NEXIVM revival that they may monetize and use to garner public attention and accolades for something. All these women (and a few men) made a living by being recruiters to the programs and instructors, as well as starting businesses. This skillset besides the vagina shots and seduction assignments are all they know.
Acting and recruiting for NXIVM/DOS seem to be an interchangeable skill. What is the current role and how does it give them money and recognition and how does it redirect attention to hide secrets/agenda/money/collateral for a rainy day? What collateral is on the Bronfman sisters to set them up ultimately to pay-out (should the trust be breakable)?
Clyne’s statement isn’t wrong. Victimhood shouldn’t be used for profit and gain and yet it is. There are many using NXIVM infamy to further their career, to turn the events from active participant to “innocent” victim, and for profit and gain.
A perfect example of doing all of that IS India Oxenberg. People forget – she never voluntarily left NXIVM, she hung on to the end. She was only saved from prosecution because of the fame of her mother. Her participation in the prosecution ultimately was non-existent outside of a flash drive that apparently was never used in the case since her testimony would have been necessary to vet its authenticity (she never testified) if the contents contained were used in the trial. Ever since then, she has done a bunch of interviews (usually they pay), a documentary (paid), I believe books (paid again), and who knows what else, all to try to manage herself into an unwitting victim.
For those talking about the branding… no crime was committed. You don’t have to like that but it’s true, despite the collateral. All participants chose to allow themselves to be branded and many helped others get branded. To prosecute the doctor for branding would mean having to charge all those that participated in the branding of others. You can point to the collateral as proof it was forced but the law doesn’t really do a great job at recognizing blackmail as a means of forcing illegal behavior. You rob a bank because someone threatened your family, you are still going to jail for robbing the bank, you just might get a much lighter sentence because of circumstances. It’s why Raniere was never charged with assault or rape. Do we morally think what occurred was wrong and forced on them? Yes. Does the law recognize it as such? No. Why? Because they still had choices and they chose to be branded and yes they chose to have sex with him. I don’t know if you can or should try to legislate such a thing because such a law would just be mostly be used to abuse the system.
As for taking away the doctor’s license, I am for it. I do believe that is being pursued. An argument will be she violated her oath to do no harm…but that pesky act of freedom called “choice” still kicks in. The participants chose to be branded. An argument she can make to the medical board is she would have violated her oath by NOT participating and allowing an amateur to do it, risking them getting further damage. Ultimately, I think she will lose her license but not for some moral high ground about branding but simply because it will be the politically expedient thing to do.
This pesky thing called “choice” (or freedom to be more broad) that people want to ignore and NXIVM defenders keep pouncing on is the crux of everything about the NXIVM case. It is what makes it so fascinating and tragic. Where is the line? Is it as easily defined as we think it is or should be? Can the law do something about this gray area? Should it? It’s something I suspect will be discussed by psychologists, lawyers, and more for years to come.
Um. The damning audio of Raniere talking to Mack about the branding ceremony was from India’s flash drives. She was very important to the prosecution.
Are you sure you are not confusing what was used in the trial with what was used in India’s documentary?
I don’t want to get into an argument about India. Frankly (I finally got to do it! ” frankly ” on Frank Report. You guys were right. It is satisfying), I don’t care that much.
But her mom was willing to risk India going to prison when she turned the media spotlight on bright. Catherine said. , “I would rather see her in prison (than
When you cooperate you do not always “get a deal”. Often it’s a “we’ll see” situation. There are not (always) any unequivocal guarantees. Because new evidence comes up.
Leaving when it was ” blowing up”.
Seeing a friend get arrested for living your same life is a huge wake-up call. Let’s say you are a drug addict. Buying and possessing are both crimes. So is “being under the influence” of certain narcotics.
That’s 3 crimes a day. People go years. Sorta forgetting it. Then you have contact with law enforcement. Or someone close to you does. It’s a wake-up call. In a criminal culture – you can ” forget” it’s criminal. It just becomes your life. Your everyday life.
Based on many things I have seen, both India and Catherine admit that India was both a perpetrator and a victim.
And my impression is that India struggles with that shame. A lot. So does Catherine.
Catherine really gambled on if busting this open would go well. She rolled the dice.
I don’t think anyone “won”.
Maybe Frank? But he still is dealing with fallout. So…
India was on the witness list and was not ultimately called, as the prosecution had ample damning witness testimony gathered by the higher ranking players; Mark Vicente, Lauren Salzman, Nicole, etc. India is not an actor, so she was not paid for her part in her documentary.
These people can sometimes be compensated for travel and given a food stipend during shooting, and that’s about it. Sarah from the Vow got a coffee mug. Let’s get our facts straight, shall we? As far as the notoriety that you think these women are trying to achieve, let’s also think about the fact that their reputations are also soiled. India went broke for this company that she worked for for most of her twenties.
The narrative that these women are trying to ‘sell’ their stories is erroneous. Both sides are trying to vindicate themselves and promote what they feel is right. I honestly think both sides should be able the have the freedom to speak of their own experiences if they so choose. The problem here is that one side was egregiously taken advantage of. There is some sort of stigma at play when a person claiming victimhood also happens to come from a wealthy and privileged background. These things aren’t mutually exclusive and a woman’s socioeconomic background shouldn’t be used against her to diminish her credibility.
No. Watch Seduced, episode 4. Moira Penza states that it was from India.
I will have to look through the transcripts to see how it was authenticated at trial.
This is an example of Nicole Clyne not just defending Keith Raniere. Here she is standing up for Danielle Roberts.
From Nicki Clyne’s Twitter account
So proud of my friend Danielle Roberts, finally speaking out about the false allegations against her and the myths around branding. If this were men, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. But since we’re having it, it’s time to set the record straight.
That is such bull.
If a bunch of men were branded with a woman’s initials near their weenies as part of a master slave cult to service an old woman sexually…
It would be the biggest news story ever.
“This is why we can’t have nice things..” If anyone ever doubted Clyne’s culpability, most would recognize this as a common refrain of the willful criminal class.
Like a low-level street dealer who knows their junk kills but just keeps on pushing – destruction all around but little street pusher believes they deserve nice things, those Balenciagas, that designer sh*t, nothing more than how to give the right impression on social media to worry about, that and the capricious whims of their ‘Main’… those were the days. Clyne, Roberts, all other lesser-spotted members of the same coven – you are all lousy unrepentant criminals – the type deserving of harsh, harsh sentencing, and you’d be lucky with that compared to the final hit Karma will bring you all – at precisely the right moment of course. Keep on grinding – in a couple of years, when Aunty Clare comes out, you just might make it back on the old private jet all the way to Wakaya 4 evah!
The culties have finally figured out after many years that “data” gives them away.
Now they avoid that and have others tells:
“the other side of the story”
“false/typical media narrative”
They are still keeping “hate” on heavy rotation.
The problem with a coordinated sock puppet social media strategy is that the approved talking points are always obvious because they are repetitive.
Seems like Keith’s lawyers gave the go-ahead for the cult to speak to the press.
Does Nicki share a lawyer with Keith or Clare and Sara for the civil suit?
Who’s representing Dr. Roberts?
Is this a coordinated charm offensive pre-restitution hearing?
A Message from Nicki Clyne
When my private life became very public without my consent, I stopped posting on social media. For three years, I have watched a fiction unfold and learned a lot about the state of our world (hint: we have work to do!). I have decided to start sharing here again, with the hope that those who so desire can get to know the real me, rather than the caricature of a person portrayed in mainstream media and so-called “documentaries.”
Thank you to all who have shown your support in my absence, it means a lot. And to those who promote lies and hate, well, best of luck to you in your life. I feel nostalgic for the days when my biggest problem was deciding what to caption my latest post!
That is so funny that she mentions consent. And a private life. This from the woman who blackmailed other women with graphic sexual photos and personal and financial information – and who withheld important info, thereby denying these women a chance at informed consent.
Plus she was a public figure. The intrusion into private life is a job-related given. And why be on social media? And make it public if you want privacy?
People who truly want privacy often achieve it. They do things like not having a public Twitter & Instagram account. It is possible. So is staying off social media completely. Those are some basic starters for privacy.
A former actor celebrity going on about the “real me” is laughable. The “real” her who has been in a polyamorous relationship with a cult leader for ten years. The “real” her who thinks empowerment is participating in a naked group blow job of an old man with a number of other women. The “real” her who was part of a secretive sex cult masked as a women’s group with a man at the top for several years supposedly cares about what others outside of her cult think of her, just like the “real” her was out in the public eye calling for prison reform for years and wasn’t so suddenly interested in it because you know who sits in a prison cell.
All of those responses (except for a few) on her Instagram post show how blind and stupid people become when they’re enamored by even a former D-list celebrity, as if they now know the “real” her because she’s barked about it on social media.
It’s very similar to the years of Nxivm disparaging Frank and the Frank Report, but now they see it as useful. The whole Nxivm die-hard crew is very quick to say, “Thanks for posting the truth, Frank”. Now. When it’s their turn to get articles up. And it’s ” ll lies” when it’s anyone else’s story. Very convenient. They have no integrity. Just opportunistic cult followers.
When the full truth comes out, your biggest problem may be getting money in your commissary account and sharing a cell with someone who’s heard of you.
So once divorce goes through…is Clyne going to be forced to return to Canada? Still unclear on what her legal status will become since she no longer acts and unclear on what her current income even is which is usually a factor in staying in the States on a green card.
But if she needs a husband, my crush on her still stands. Just have to drop the whole NXIVM stuff but all for the criminal justice reform (as long as not Raniere-centric in focus as currently is).
I just took a look at Dateline’s promo for this Nxivm show. In it, India Oxenberg is highlighted. She said that some are still trying to “fix” the chaos that Raniere created. Oxenburg is giving Raniere too much credit, as if this were all about Raniere and a batch of damn sheeple, incapable of having any discernment or free will of their own, uniquely, and one by one by one, if not as a group.
Raniere was not “acting alone,” but this is a blame game, folks.
Danielle Roberts was nowhere in sight in Dateline’s promo. This says a lot, already.
As Roberts is merely promoting herself and her screwed-up life choices and struggling to justify her actions, once again she’ll very likely receive a big, fat F.
Roberts will, very likely, rely upon her parents to keep her sorry ass financially afloat, God knows why, as Roberts is somewhere, so far as “maturity,” on her way to peri-menopause and seems to get herself into one fuck-up after another.
In other news, one hears that Monsieur Lady Gaga might need to replace a couple of her French Bulldogs. Perhaps there’s still a bit of hope for Danielle Roberts, career-wise. Bull plus dawg.
A whole lot of heavy and noisy, galumphing, mucus-saturated breathing, plus some stumpy legs, appear to be the only assets required to qualify for a spot.
At least temporarily, Monsieur Gaga’s regular dogwalker is hospitalized, recovering from the dog-napping and a bullet to his chest.
So there might be a new hobby in here somewhere for Suneel Chakravorty, too. Dog-walking, as a career, very probably beats the hell out of lifting Clare Bronfman off of toilets, never mind sweating blank bullets whilst trying to be Keith Raniere’s Dear Abby.
Based on what you are saying, they are probably not the main event. But were invited to “respond” and chose to do so, finally at their lawyers’ direction. They are facing a massive civil trial. Even if they win, the information that will come out will be very, very damaging to them. Perhaps we’ll finally see if these, ” bad-ass women” are brave enough to take the stand in their own defense? My guess is, no.
But if the defendants are all in court together, the DOS 8 will get a chance to make goo-goo eyes at their buck-toothed, cross-eyed, decrepit, rodent footed, smelly, chubby, grandmaster and lover.
Maybe that will be worth millions to them?
Always appreciate your writing, Shivani.
I get tired of reading a lot of repeat. I want to know why the remaining defendants still have no sentencing date in sight. How on earth can Allison Mack be seen out leisure shopping and there is no thought, mention or demand for her sentencing?
Complete and total denial. Unbelievable.
Still totally brainwashed!
India Oxenberg is visiting Philadelphia. I wonder if her visit is also to Neil L. Glazer of Kohn, Swift & Graf, P.C.? Also, 1.3 miles away is FDC Philadelphia, where Ms. Clare Bronfman resides. Perhaps India will look at the FDC Philadelphia from the outside there, where Clare will
will spend the next few years.
How long are you New Yorkers going to tolerate being sodomized by that Communist pervert Bill DumBlasio?
NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio: New Yorkers should wear TWO MASKS until at least June to curb COVID-19
“These women wanted this, they asked for this.” These women were being blackmailed with the threat of their collateral being released!
Regardless of whether she branded others only as being a member of a “social group” — she is still a doctor. You cannot turn off your “Doctor” credentials whenever you see fit. You have taken an oath — it is 24/7 — and that is to do no harm.
You, Ms. Roberts, are laughable! As are the rest of your sick little posse!
You are crazy.
She leaves out that Keith is the one who “wanted this”. Keith is recorded as the grandmaster. Plotting the whole thing.
Not one woman who was recruited “wanted” branding. They were told it was required of them. And lied to about Raniere’s initials and involvement.
Sneaky lies and wording.
These women are named in a civil suit.
Don’t expect the truth from them. This is simply an attempt to spin, spin, spin the facts.
The DOS 8 take no personal responsibility for any of the mistakes that they have made. Even little ones. Or the non-salacious terrible decisions. There is no way that they did, “nothing wrong” in all of this disaster. Like, absolutely nothing? Really? Not one little thing? Come on. Unbelievable.
I am much more inclined to trust a narrative from India, Sarah and others who admit culpability. These women have expressed regret. India feels terrible about bringing in other women. She offered to meet and talk with anyone that she hurt. That is not playing the victim as her vicious former “sisters” claim. That is a person who is willing to look at her own part in this tragedy objectively and compassionately.
The inability to take true accountability for any of the criminal behavior, poor choices and decisions, at all, render the DOS 8 non-credible. In my opinion.
And I am not talking about, “Our mistake was believing the world was ready for bad-ass women.” That’s like the humble bragging version of owning up to your fault in something.
Like when Keith says his mistake was, “trusting too much”. It is a kind of self-celebratory, valueless, garbage talk.
Simply put, any narrative in which the participants were this actively involved in and held leadership positions that ended so poorly and the narrators still find themselves above any and all reproach – is just not one that I can believe in.
1. Who the leader of the group was, was not disclosed;
2. Whose initials were branded n their pubic region–not disclosed.
The “sacrificial pose” was a twisted oath to Vanguard.
He was big on twisted oaths.
A doctor was asked to do this, and received training–not a layman.
Does a physician have a duty to disclose all facts about ANY procedure?
Did the physician withhold the true identity of the leader, and did she withhold the initials to be branded?
If yes, the doctor no longer acted under independent judgment, and she no longer acted in the best interest of those she was asked to brand.
She was following orders from he who lead the deception.
It is very noticeable that Suneel, all the anonymous supporters (or the one anonymous supporter. Who knows?) Anthony, Joshua, and Anna, love to “go girl” the dead-end DOS gang but never seem to find the time to comment on Nancy pushing pedophilia. Or recordings of Vanguard asking, “Is it rape if the woman enjoys it?” No word from them on Keith alleging that mothers in other countries give their children soothing blow jobs. It is a very selective participation.
Hi, Mr. Anonymous here. One thing I liked about the multiple NXIVM trainings I took was that we could talk about controversial or uncomfortable things in a “safe” environment – no one putting you down or telling you you were a horrible person for simply exploring your beliefs and trying to determine if they made sense. Personally, I felt that I could disagree with what we were being taught and I was OK with that. I believe that some people didn’t feel OK with that or somehow felt “pressured” to “conform to the party line,” so-to-speak. I don’t think NXIVM would’ve ended up the way it did if that wasn’t the case. I believe these people, unfortunately, don’t have a strong sense of who they are, and I feel bad for them for that. Not pity, just sympathy because I’ve been there and feel like that’s a hard way to live one’s life. Note that I was friendly with most of these people and still would enjoy talking to them even if I don’t agree with them on many NXIVM-related things.
I think if you view the clips of Nancy talking about age-of-consent, and Keith talking about rape and fellatio on babies in light of people trying to explore their beliefs about things that society seems to put big, blinky neon “BAD!” signs on, perhaps they are actually interesting to consider and determine for yourself what you think of them.
As for my personal desire for anonymity, I’d rather not be the direct subject of hate for suggesting that we look beyond and carefully think about what lies behind the neon “BAD!” signs that society hangs all around us – I’d like to avoid having any more hung on me if I can!
Since you are safe in your anonymity here… do you perform fellatio on babies? Why or why not?
Would you object to Keith Raniere performing fellatio on your baby to soothe him? Why or why not?
Thank you for your response.
I respectfully disagree. When a teacher or “prefect” or any leader is expressing these views in a class that students are paying a lot of money for because implicitly they are there to learn from this person & program, that is not an open, unbiased, back and forth discussion. It is more of a lecture. With an agenda.
In the structure of these workshops and as evidenced by the many Nxivm recordings, there is little to no back and forth.
You have not addressed any of the actual opinions taught by Keith or Nancy directly. You have stayed with them and in the program. You continue to defend their words. That shows that you accept and agree with them. A normal response for a human who did not agree would be a comment that prioritized categorically disavowing child sexual abuse as revolting and amoral. Instead, you offer a heady excuse about the learning environment. Other people. Esoteric blah, blah, blah.
It is also the totality of the comments that express misogyny and support for pedophilia. Even Keith’s off-hand “jokes” calling the officiant at Mark & Bonnie’s wedding a “fish hole” over and over again because she is female are nauseatingly immature and cringey.
It’s no different than watching casual “joking” racism. Except it is misogyny. There is an avalanche of evidence about Keith’s reprehensible view regarding women. From the formal Nxivm teachings to the “fuck toy slave” texts. Same with the pedophilia.
Many people have gone on record about this being a point of view in Nxivm. Not a one-time intellectual exercise. An ongoing campaign to debase, ridicule and abuse women. And a strong calculated attempt to rationalize sexually abusing children. No one would claim that of a group they participated in for a decade unless there was truth to it. And a large number of people independent of each other (such as Rhiannon) have documented that Keith Raniere was a prolific child molester. Going back decades.
Thanks for your advice but I already know what I think of child molestation without Keith Raniere’s or Nancy Salzman’s opinion. Society has deemed it “bad” because it is bad. It is very dangerous and damaging to the most vulnerable of our population: children.
You spent most of your comment overtly and sneakily criticizing people for not being like you. And thinking differently. For deciding for themselves which you tacked on at the end. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you, Nancy or Keith, that doesn’t make them close-minded or not an independent thinker. Talk about a sweeping and close-minded judgment!
You have a condescending manner that seems very common in Nxivm die-hards. People are smarter than you think. Even outside the bubble and echo chamber of your cult. In fact, maybe they are smarter because they would never pay money to listen to this swill.
Thanks for (sort of) responding.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 This. Thank you!! A ‘forum’ held by the big V himself isn’t a forum, but a seat on a stage proselytizing to his followers subtle morality bending ideas that are insidious in nature. Normalizing abuse is not the same thing as opening ones mind to big thinking and standing up to societal norms. Some norms are here because they should be. Being ‘alternative’ is fine. Polyamory is cool if that floats everyone’s boats involved. It’s the deception that is evil. Why lie if what your doing is ethical?
Your logic about self of self doesn’t fly. People joined NXIVM because they wanted to have a greater sense of self and were not satisfied with their sense of self as it was before. So to blame the customers for not getting what they had paid for, because the product didn’t work for everyone is not a good argument.
As usual, dodging the hard, direct questions about mothers performing fellatio on babies.
More abstract blah blah.
Finally, these women have a chance to speak their truth and not the one this misogynistic society wants to impose on them… Go, girls!
Why are they following the women victims who spoke out in court on Instagram ? That is stalking . It is not women empowerment . It is women enslaving other women for the joy of a white horny man . Why is that transformative and empowering ?
Agree. Agree. Strongly agree!
Again, I beg the question, why now? Why the cretin Keith’s ramblings? Why the defensive ‘press release’ from Dossier Girls? Why is Nicki asking on Twitter which sites to publish essays on? Sentencing for the co-conspirators is looming. Couldn’t they wait?
My guess is the civil suit. And they probably think how that goes could affect the appeal.
Still love your comments!
I do keep forgetting about the civil suit, thanks for the reminder. I wonder if there is a date for that yet.
Quote: “These women wanted this, they asked for this. You know, I mean and I understand now that narrative has changed and they’re saying other things,” she added. Unquote
Really? They all wanted to be branded with Keith’s initials? The story I got was they were told no men were even involved in the group. Someone’s lying.
–“These women wanted this, they asked for this. You know, I mean and I understand now that narrative has changed and they’re saying other things,” she added.
But this is a flat-out lie. A number of women were told that they were going to get some type of tattoo, not a physically scarring brand–which the symbol for which they were also lied about the meaning of–until the day came when they were all naked in a room waiting under both immediate and premeditated (“bad-ass” women, “pain shows love”, “honor your commitments,” etc.) psychological coercion to perform it.
The problem with believing any of these women is they are first-line slaves of a lying sociopath. They knew the deal but others did not, and they manipulated the trust (as an agent of one who would not be directly trusted, i.e., Raniere) of those who didn’t know the whole truth and, therefore, couldn’t give informed consent by definition.
That they refuse to see this shows how intellectually and empathetically stunted they are, just like their sociopathic grandmaster. That Raniere has been captured on the phone speaking to Allison Mack about getting them to say “It would be my honor to be branded, master” or whatever the exact words were, shows that he thinks he’s clever in getting their “consent” and freeing himself from any responsibility even though he’s the one directing the entire thing for his nefarious purposes masked as “female empowerment”. It was a subtle step-by-step process that is sneaky (just like the devil) and skeevy to anyone with actual insight into the depths of such a satanic psychology.
There is no lie in what is said in this clip. You should pay attention to the context as well before responding. She is responding to the process of branding, not what the brand was. The women consented to the branding at that time. It’s possible the women had some doubts about getting the brand while giving their consent, which is why they are saying they didn’t want to, but that no one can tell unless it’s vocalized. Hence the her thinking the women wanted it, is valid and true.
No. It is a lie. The consent was given to a different brand. Not Raniere’s initials. Stop trying to be “clever” and play word games.
The women were intentionally misinformed. It was supposed to be an all-women’s group.
The idea of being branded with a man’s initials would not even be in the realm of possibility from their p.o.v.
I am not trying to be clever. I simply know better than you. Just because you are not intellectually capable of understanding the nuance, doesn’t mean I am playing word games. Work on becoming better at reasoning. Your other points will get answered in the episode. Would be worth waiting to watch the whole thing before jumping to conclusions like a 13 year old.
But you and Vanguard love 13-year-olds.
How do you know she is lying, and that she too hasn’t been lied to and misled? You don’t. Learn all the facts before bad-mouthing people.
Sorry, there is no way that Roberts did not know that the brand was Raniere’s initials. Not only did she practice extensively on an orange beforehand but the position of the brand was changed after they discovered his initials were too easily detected in the original design.
I am not interested in the lies that she tells now on Dateline.
Also, Anonymous, how do you so arrogantly “know better”? How have you seen the Dateline piece before it has aired? You are all so startling obvious.
I got my facts from people who testified under oath.
Did you testify? Or were you too scared?
Where was I constrained to discussing only what was said in the clip just because I selected a particular quote from it? It’s ironic that you mention context. In the comment, I presented a much larger context–the bigger picture that was in play–but you ignore all of that and just want to pigeonhole the assertion of the lie into only what was said, which is probably just as much a lie. It’s more believable to expect that women who only expect a small tattoo to express significant reservations or even back out when they find out that they’re going to be branded for twenty minutes with a searing cauterizing pen instead only to be psychologically coerced into going through with it than simply submitting to the sudden, more significant change with consent. Besides, why should anyone believe these first-line “slaves” above the other women considering the aforementioned reasons? They manipulated others at the behest of their master and kept many things hidden from them.
The entire “female empowerment” mantra of the group was a lie and a scam. It was the perverted plan of a dirty, old man to find sex partners, enabled by a bunch of con-artist women just like him. In retrospect, it’s very clear to see. What is so “female” empowering about several women naked on their knees encircling a sixty-year-old man to perform a group blow job on him? The only one empowered there is the man.
I have a logic and reasoning query.
If you (as claimed) have narrative-changing information but sit on it for years instead of sharing it with the public, do you really have the moral high ground to mock them for not knowing this (alleged) truth you have kept from them?
This will be on the final exam.
You are the one trying to be clever now. You are a troll. Not gonna engage with you. Enjoy your trolling.
So you can dish it out insulting people’s intelligence and reasoning but you can’t take it? Got it. You could have just given a civil response instead of a snide one.
You got treated the way you treated others.
And she’s still a liar.
Anon at 9:14 am,
Sal isn’t ‘trying’ to be clever – she is. Suck it up. Or there’s always Boko Haram!
The doctor was not a first-line slave. So, you should get your facts straight before blabbering. Also, every woman took part in the same process. The first-line slaves were not the only masters. The second and third line slaves were also masters.
You’re writing about slave hierarchy in 2021 and I’m “blathering”?
So what if Roberts wasn’t a first line slave? It doesn’t change what she knew about the brand and how she’s manipulating the reality about it now. Attempting to deflect the focus onto minor discrepancies of facts doesn’t change the big picture issues that are seriously problematic in the DOS story.
Veracious, I recommend getting yourself checked for narcissism. Your deflections are a perfect example of narcissism. Wanting to downplay your own mess ups while not holding others accountable to a much higher standard than you do for yourself. And yes, there are plenty of holes in the DOS story and also discrepancies do matter, small or big.
“Veracious, I recommend getting yourself checked for narcissism. Your deflections are a perfect example of narcissism. Wanting to downplay your own mess ups while not holding others accountable to a much higher standard than you do for yourself. ”
Typical cult-speak and projection–a redirection of a form of what I said back onto me in a skeevy attempt at gaslighting.
I didn’t downplay anything. I admitted to the mistake. It’s you who attempted to maximize a minor mistake (an obvious case of deflection) in a larger contextual discussion.
“And yes, there are plenty of holes in the DOS story and also discrepancies do matter, small or big.”
“Holes”? By this you mean those who have spoken out against DOS and the cult, right? LOL.
Who said they ‘didn’t matter’? They only matter relatively, otherwise there wouldn’t be a need for terms such as “big” or “small”.
But you’re welcome to keep deflecting.
Seeing a NXIVM dead-ender telling someone to get “checked for narcissism” is the funniest thing I’ve read all week.
1. Were the women branded all “collateralized”?
2. Were they told KR was in charge of the group?
3. Were they told KR’s initials were what was to be branded?
4. Where did Dr. R learn to brand?
5. Why was a Dr. chosen to brand? Was a Dr. chosen because of potential medical concerns?
I guess it was just a coincidence she was chosen to perform a procedure that required the use of a medical instrument.
Is there now any doubt that the media-savvy Nicki Clyne is calling the shots at NXIVM?
For the Exo/Eso video below, you must click the blue box below and watch it on Vimeo.
Dr. Danielle Roberts was head of the Exo/Eso Yoga program.
Funny. Artist painting of Raniere 😂
“Love” how it’s all hate in the media this and that, it got our hack of a leader arrested, boohoo, but here they are using that same tool to defend themselves. What a bunch of hypocrites.
Must Watch Video
Dr. Danielle Roberts ran the Yoga group, Exo/Eso, and promoted a new type of Yoga called Stexy.
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New York Post
‘These women wanted this’: Nxivm doctor defends branding sex cult members
By Ben FeuerherdFebruary 24, 2021 | 6:31pm | Updated
Very excited and proud to see both Danielle and Nicki speaking up for the truth.
We’re you in DOS?
PLACEBO EFFECT: Creating the Belief Systems for Miraculous Healing with Danielle Roberts, DO
In the above shot, she is indicating the size of Vantard’s
Picture of Dr. Danielle Roberts in happier times.
The Three Musketeers of Nicki Clyne, Michelle Hatchette and Dr. Danielle Roberts
Throwback to three years ago: before there were ‘documentaries’ or podcasts, we were just living our lives, performing poetry and comedy at open mics, and supporting each other in becoming our best selves. They say you find out who your friends are when you fall on hard times and it couldn’t be more true. I mean, we thought we knew, but now we really know. 💓💓💓
Thanks for sharing this. I noticed their DOS project is following several of the woman victims who spoke out in court against DOS. That seems to me to be harassment. That is fucked, yo. Do they want to intimidate women who spoke out? Leave the women victims alone. The woman doctor needs to have her license removed.
What infuriates me about the NXIVM story is the outrageous “medical” behavior.
When doctors have treated me, they only do what is medically necessary, they explain to me what they plan to do, they get my informed consent, and they use pain killers to mitigate the discomfort.
“Doctor” Danielle Roberts did none of that.
Placebos are not enough.
Sarah Edmondson described the branding as more painful than childbirth.
I believe that what NXIVM did was a violation of the Nuremberg Rules on medical treatment.
I think you are right, Shadow. 👍🏼
“4. The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.”
Thank you for the information. I will certainly watch this one. I will be interesting to see how “Dateline” presents this new information.
Looking great, Frank! Can’t wait to see you!!
Frank is giving these brainwashed cultists a platform to weasel out of it with words. Which is what they’re best at.
Frank is empowering the cult to rape the victims with words.
-“She also claimed the women ‘were laughing’ at the time.”
Is it possible for NXIVM-bots not to lie and lie and lie?
It’s like the man after raping someone saying, ‘She liked it’.
This isn’t what I meant when I said I wanted a biopic about Brando.
Were there only 17 women branded? If there were more, who branded those women?
Right or wrong, you’re standing up for your beliefs. I’m proud you have the courage to do that.
You think it takes “courage” to “stand up” for “wrong” beliefs?
I would say that it takes arrogance.
Everyone but Dr. Roberts has appeared before but this is Dr. Roberts’ debut.