This is Part 4 of Allison Mack Through the Looking Glass – which treats the testimony which mentions her at the trial of Keith Alan Raniere.
Allison herself was not called as a witness at the trial – but she was mentioned by other witnesses hundreds of times.
We are presently reviewing the fourth day of trial – with the witness Mark Vicente – a former leader of Nxivm – who knew Allison very well. Vicente quit Nxivm prior to the bad publicity in the Frank Report and elsewhere – and, in fact, provided critical information to Frank Report and the mainstream media to help take Nxivm down.
He was also a pivotal witness in the case against Raniere.
In this part, Vicente speaks of India Oxenberg and her relationship with Allison Mack.
Assistant US Attorney Mark Lesko is doing the examination of Vicente:
Lesko You referred to a person named India. Do you know India?
Vicente: I did know India for quite some time.
Q Is India the daughter of the well-known actress?
A Yes, she is….
Q How did you meet India?
A I met India in Los Angeles, I don’t … remember the exact year. It was maybe …. 2011, 2012… We would do introductory presentations. And we were doing one in Santa Monica and India and her mother [Catherine Oxenberg] came to the presentation along with a lot of other people. And myself and Sarah [Edmondson] were doing the actual presentation, and at the end of the presentation, India decided that she wanted to join and do an intensive.
So that was basically the first time that I met her.
Q Did India have a relationship with Allison Mack?
A She would come to have a relationship when she spent more time at Albany. She ended up being tutored by Allison Mack or Allison Mack took a particular interest in her and took her under her wing. And, you know, I had a lot of concerns about that.
Q So India traveled to Albany to take NXIVM programs?
A She did. She did the first five days in Los Angeles and she may have done the remaining 11 days in Albany, I don’t recall, but then she began doing some Level 2s. [Advanced Nxivm courses] She joined Jness [Nxivm’s women’s group] as well. And she ended up doing a lot of curriculum.
Q While she was in Albany, are you aware that India had gone on a walk with the defendant [Keith Alan Raniere]?
A Yes. That conversation I had with Raniere. India was part of the Los Angeles Center and she had all these different dreams and things she wanted to do, and my wife [Bonnie Piesse] and I were trying to help her.
I was shooting material of her. She wanted to create sort of [a] talk show – of talking to amazing people in the world and, you know, she wanted to create this cooking line.
So, she had a lot of dreams and the way I was thinking of things at the time is that’s what we want to do. You know, we want to help people make their dreams come true. So, I found that India was struggling with leadership, so we put her in charge of certain things in the Center and see if she could step up as a leader.
Then she went to Albany [on a visit or to take a course] and suddenly just gave everything up. She decided, ‘Well, I think I’m going to leave [Los Angeles] for Albany’ and I remember going, ‘What about your dreams?’
[She said] ‘ I’m sort of changing my focus’ and then she said she took a walk …. with Keith and, [said] ‘I’m much clearer now.’
… I don’t remember if I called Raniere, [or] if I spoke to him in person. I said, ‘I’m very concerned. We’re just beginning to get to this place where she might begin to take leadership, which would help her in her life and suddenly she gives everything up and now she’s going to Albany. What happened on that walk?’
He said, ‘Well, I don’t remember very much.’
We talked… there must have been something [that happened] but he was very, very vague about it.
And I say ‘I’m very concerned. She’s kind of giving up everything she cares about to go live in this little place [Albany] and I don’t know if that’s going to be that good for her.’’
And, you know, in usual fashion, he said a bunch of things like, ‘Well, maybe I don’t know what’s going on.’
Q I think you mentioned that you had some important concerns about India’s relationship with Allison Mack?
A Well, I was very concerned with what happened … that I saw with India was that she became enamored with Allison Mack. The kind of enamor where you don’t just admire someone because they were skilled, like fall in love with Allison Mack, ‘you are my everything.’
And I said to myself, ‘Something’s unhealthy about that. I don’t know that it’s healthy for her to look at Allison Mack as some kind of deity who knows all.’ Knowing Allison… I didn’t think that Allison should necessarily be mentoring young women, so yeah, I had concerns.
Q You discuss those concerns with the defendant?
A I did.
Q What did you say?
A I remember saying something like, ‘I don’t think that she [India] should be mentored by Allison. I don’t think it’s healthy. I think Allison has a series of issues that I’m concerned with and I don’t think she should be teaching India or some of the other people.’
Q What was the defendant’s response?
A I don’t recall specifically. I do remember him saying something like, ‘You know, well it’s not really my concern.’ It was the strange thing.. he [purportedly] knew about everything, but then when I questioned him about some things, then he didn’t know about it. So it was a mystery.
Q Did India become involved in a NXIVM-related company in Clifton Park?
A Yes. So one of the companies that she was involved with is she was in a company call Delegates, and as I said before Delegates was like a task rabbit, you know. You call somebody, I need my laundry picked up, or I need to be picked up from the airport, kind of thing. So India was basically put in charge of Delegates. That was her company. People would call her or text her and tell her what we needed and she would look at the workforce that was available and then assign them. So that was her company.
Q And who worked for Delegates?
A The people that worked for Delegates were mostly the younger people in the community. A lot of the LeBaron [underage] girls were working for Delegates, and then some of the other younger members. They were younger people that didn’t really have a career choice yet that were working for her.
Q And the LeBaron girls were from the community in Mexico?
A The community of LeBaron, Chihuahua…
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[More on the underage LeBaron girls and Rosa Laura Junco’s role later.]
This concludes day 4 of the trial – at least as far as it concerned Allison Mack.
Stay tuned for more on the first line slave of Keith Alan Raniere and slave master of numerous women who became branded and enslaved by her in DOS.
By the way, Lifetime channel will present a Lifetime movie depicting India Oxenberg, Allison Mack, Keith Raniere and Catherine Oxenberg – loosely based on Catherine’s book Captive.
It will air at 8 pm (EDT) on Lifetime on Saturday, September 21st. At 10 pm (EDT) a one-hour documentary featuring Gretchen Carlson, Catherine Oxenberg, and others, including this writer, will be presented.
No one is saying she shouldn’t have tried to help India but they were not talking to each other so you can’t believe everything in the book. Catherine doesn’t deserve to profit from this and if the only reason she wrote the book was to help India, she should have no problems giving the profits to some kind of victims of crime charity.
Shadow talks about Catherines book which she shouldn’t get any money from and i wouldn’t believe half of it anyway. If people remember her and India were not even talking at the time that book was written and came out
Why the hatred for a woman who is trying to rescue her daughter from the clutches of a criminal gang?
Catherine Oxenberg wanted to empower her daughter and took the young woman to a meeting that promised exactly that.
It was a typical NXIVM con.
Catherine Oxenberg fought like a tiger to rescue her daughter from the clutches of Allison Mack and Keith Raniere.
Catherine Oxenberg earned every penny she made off of that book and the resulting media projects.
She did nothing wrong.
“We are presently reviewing the fourth day of trial – with the witness Mark Vicente – a former leader of Nxivm – who knew Allison very well.”
Obviously not…first he didn’t knew where she lived and when we hear his knowledge about Allison , i’m not even sure he knows her birthdate but still…He lived with her for a short period.
“Q Did India have a relationship with Allison Mack?
A She would come to have a relationship when she spent more time at Albany. She ended up being tutored by Allison Mack or Allison Mack took a particular interest in her and took her under her wing. And, you know, I had a lot of concerns about that.”
Except this didn’t happened in 2012 (that she tutored her) but later…once again, it’s out of context
Also, he had concern about what? he was doing worst.
“A Yes. That conversation I had with Raniere. India was part of the Los Angeles Center and she had all these different dreams and things she wanted to do, and my wife [Bonnie Piesse] and I were trying to help her.”
Re reading his testimony give me a terrible image of this guy…the more we advance, the more it’s obvious he is diminishing his implication.
“‘I’m very concerned. We’re just beginning to get to this place where she might begin to take leadership, which would help her in her life and suddenly she gives everything up and now she’s going to Albany. What happened on that walk?’”
People should be concerned that his(and his wife) only concern seem to revolve around the leaderships…They are concerned about Allison being the leader of the source (while she wasn’t really…a lot of people fought for that leadership (from his own testimony), and now he is worried about India taking a leadership!?
When i read that , i feel like jealousy wasn’t coming from Allison at all but from he and his wife…
“A Well, I was very concerned with what happened … that I saw with India was that she became enamored with Allison Mack. The kind of enamor where you don’t just admire someone because they were skilled, like fall in love with Allison Mack, ‘you are my everything.’
And I said to myself, ‘Something’s unhealthy about that. I don’t know that it’s healthy for her to look at Allison Mack as some kind of deity who knows all.’ Knowing Allison… I didn’t think that Allison should necessarily be mentoring young women, so yeah, I had concerns.”
Once again, out of the context, he pretend he knows Allison and try to dispute her sanity when she lost her sanity after the diet started…
So that means it all happened after 2013.
IF it happened. Because for a lot of member, there was nothing wrong with the relationship they had…and if India is seeing Allison as a deity (while Allison never acted to be such), the problem is with India, not Allison.
“Stay tuned for more on the first line slave of Keith Alan Raniere and slave master of numerous women who became branded and enslaved by her in DOS.”
Sure ,enslaved by her…rewrite the history…
Ignore the fact from the court that showed that all assignment given by Allison were the same as the one given by EACH DOS MEMBER WHO HAD SLAVES…
She was given the assignment by Raniere…she was a slave herself.
“By the way, Lifetime channel will present a Lifetime movie depicting India Oxenberg, Allison Mack, Keith Raniere and Catherine Oxenberg – loosely based on Catherine’s book Captive.”
So ? another fiction movie? what about the real story? when will someone show that?
And who will get the money? oxenberg? She isn’t a victim (and India is as much a victim as Allison is…
I’m disgusted to see that some people who act like they are the “heroes” (but never were) are trying to make money on the back of the many REAL victims…
There are stranger things going on’. You know what’s sad? I bet they were enjoying themselves. There has to be more than one or two to blame such crazy outborn sexual activities on. Come on. Girls working the streets get off better than this. Why are taxpayers wasting people’s money on Allison Mack? Couldn’t all this be handled differently? They were all grown women’ as to men. Someone got Jealous or Mad so it started SHIT. This is what happens.
It’s actually pretty pathetic when you think about the guy these women were jealous over, whose credentials and image didn’t correspond with reality, i.e., it was based on a lot of fabrication.
Mack’s not a girl on the street; she’s the Pimp. When people get mad and stir some shit usually blackmail, mind control, and sex trafficking aren’t involved.
Good thing that Vicente was concerned about India getting too close to Mack, but had no concerns about Mack and Clyne being a “convenient couple.”
Scott,
Vicente followed Ramtha….. I am shocked Vincete ended up doing the right thing and became a standup guy.
Scott, you watched the video of Ramtha on Merv Griffin. How f*cking batshit crazy was that tv clip?
Amway scammed you because they sold you a way to become rich.
You did not believe in a f*cking bullsh*t suburban housewife channeling a magic spirit that is 30,000 years old.
Once again, Vicente followed Ramtha…How out there is he?(rhetorical question)
I am shocked Vicente had any concerns regarding anything or anyone.
Vicente probably believed Star Wars was based on a real story.
The date of the Lifetime show is September 21.
India may have been in love with Allison (who wasn’t in those days?). But Allison was in love with the man we all are in love with and always will love for 10.000 years and longer. Our Vanguard.
I wasn’t in love with Mack, never have been.
Scott,
Your Cankle Head Addict and you know it.
You don’t care where you get your cankles from as long as you get them.
“But Allison was in love with the man we all are in love with and always will love for 10.000 years and longer. Our Vanguard.”
Gabriella,
What a sorry choice you have made for a hero.
You should give more reverence to the poor folks who clean out the restrooms at New York’s Port Authority Bus Terminal.
Those folks are more important for society than a pudgy cult guru who tells Jewish women that they are reincarnated Nazis.
10,000 years? jheeze what are you a pox virus?
His penis is a unicorn horn and he ejaculates rainbows!
Like says an old proverb : Cállate, maldita cabróna !
…it’s Shut up, you fuckin’ bastard!
In view of the abuse that India received from Allison Mack, expect Hollywood to respect India’s actress mother and refrain from hiring Allison Mack in the future.
The book “Captive” written by Catherine Oxenberg was published by Simon and Shuster, a division of the new Viacom-CBS media conglomerate.
Don’t expect Allison Mack to be cast in any CBS TV shows or Paramount movies.
And the LIfetime cable TV networks for women are mainly owned by ABC, a division of Disney.
Disney not only owns ABC it also owns Fox Studios, Lucasfilm and Marvel Studios.
Don’t expect Allison Pimp Mack to be hired by these production companies.
Sorry to burst your bubble (but not really) Mr. Shadow, but time heals all wounds: https://twentytwowords.com/celebrities-who-youll-be-shocked-to-hear-served-major-prison-time/
OJ Simpson
Lindsay Lohan
and Phil Spector.
How are their careers doing?
And the rest of these examples are thugs like Mike Tyson and Lil Kim whose fans don’t give a rip if their idols are criminals or not.
And you forget that Ms. Mack’s career was already in the dumpster.
Attending ComiCons is hardly the most lucrative part of show business.
Indeed, the minute this scandal hit, the major news outlets like Amazon saw fit to scrap Allison Mack’s voice from the cartoon “Lost in Oz.”
OJ did a “Who is America” episode last year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson What exactly do you expect a 72 year old to do?
Lohan is a trainwreck, but she is still involved in show business: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsay_Lohan
Spector wasn’t much of a public figure since the 1970s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spector
But thanks for cherry picking, because it turns out the cherries were rotten. LOL The bottom line is the Hollyweird and music industries are some of the most unethical and immoral places in America, so Mack will fit right in with the rest of them. I’m sure Mack can make some friends in other thugs in prison and have some street cred when she gets out.
I didn’t forget anything, Mack turned away from acting more than she was rejected. She joined NXIVM and dropped acting, remember?
Indeed, the initial reaction to Mack’s problems will be largely forgotten soon, if it hasn’t happened already.
“In view of the abuse that India received from Allison Mack, expect Hollywood to respect India’s actress mother and refrain from hiring Allison Mack in the future”
Which abuse? And if we go by your idiotic analyze, shall we talk about the abuse that India did to others?
Delegates? Jayes? extorsion of Jayes for a few jewels?
No?
OF course not, it’s all about Allison, isn’t it?
And the only thing we don’t expect is:
1. Something interesting or clever coming from you
2. the Truth coming from you…
On your first line, you manage to lie already…
“Which abuse?”
A major theme in Catherine Oxenberg’s book “Captive” was how Allison Mack abused India.
Allison and India had been sleeping together the night before Allison was arrested.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Be3S_Ajh87r/
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It’s really not hard when you have such beautiful friends… #accidentalart #soulfood
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Predatory #monsterousallisonmack prowling for victims 👹
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India Oxenberg 😒 one of Allison’s “recruits”
monnasherrie
Disgusting
can’t you ,for once, shadow ANSWER A FUCKING QUESTION?
Were is your proof ?
You accuse Allison of abuse and i want PROOF you idiot!
And if you point the book by a liar like Oxenberg…SHE WASN’T IN CONTACT WITH HER DAUGHTER UNTIL AFTER THE BOOK RELEASE…
How can anyone Believe anything from this fantasy book show how much of an idiot that person is
My goodness, Mark Vicente really does love to paint himself as the hero. He was concerned for this girl India. He was so concerned he said “I was concerned” six times in that small snippet of testimony. It’s like a verbal tic. He’s concerned, concerned, concerned. He even told Raniere of his concerns. I begin to get the impression that Vicente is a concerned man.
Yet if he was so concerned about India and about Mack, why did he so relentlessly promote Nxivm to new recruits? Did he not detect, I dunno, a pattern to what was going on? He’s mentioned two instances where he brought problems to Raniere’s attention, and in both cases the noble leader of the endeavor dismissed them with callous indifference to people’s well-being. So my question is, why did Vicente continue in service to this bastard, why did he continue to promote him and his obviously corrupt organization?
Giving testimony, he takes pains to show that he saw all these problems with Nxivm. Yet at the time, he worked relentless to further its reach. He publicized it and promoted it.
I smell a rat.
“Mark Vicente really does love to paint himself as the hero. ”
Rick Ross of the Cult Education Network does not think of Vicente as a hero.
Mark Vicente edited ten videotapes in Rick Ross’ trial against NXIVM.
The Fourteen year long trial that bankrupted Rick Ross.
“The next topic concerned an inquiry that Vicente received from Raniere about whether he could remove part of a videotape in a way that was undetectable.
The inquiry came in June 2008 during the midst of what turned out to be NXIVM’s 14-year lawsuit against Rick Ross.”
“All in all, more than ten videotapes were altered to remove problematic content before they were turned over to Rick Ross’ attorneys as part of the discovery in that case.:
https://artvoice.com/2019/05/12/mark-vicente-in-depth-review-part-iv/
In the real world this is called OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.
“I smell a rat.”
You smell Mark Vicente.
Vicente hopped from the Ramtha Cult to the NXIVM cult.
And now Vicente is hovering over the NXIVM carcass like a vulture.
Shadowstate…
regarding Vicente…..
I agree with you!
Catherine Oxenberg was, maybe still is, involved on Ramtha.
For once , i’ll agree with you…Fully
I’m not in the mood to be concerned anymore about how concerned Mark Vicente was or how concerning that conspicuous, nigh-unto-hypnotic concern of his wuzz or issss. Shoeshine boys can occasionally be sincere, if not immune. Is Monsieur Vicente immune from anything?
When he testified for the prosecution against Raniere, it took days. Days of getting “the impression that Vicente is a concerned man.” He was useful, however. He provided lots of information. Not all rats are bad eggs since once in a while one of those rats is seeking redemption, trying to make amends. No need for Vicente to get all Clark Kent about it , though. veni vidi vici Excuse me while I slip into this phone booth.