I feel I know these Nxivm people, having once been in a cult myself [not Nxivm]. I even lived in community with other cult members for 7 to 8 months. I not only witnessed the social dynamics of members I knew in the cult over the years, BUT I’ve done my homework, after I left the cult, reading everything about cults that I could get my hands on.
At the time I first left, there was little on the subject. Now there is so much more information about cults and how they function.
The names of these groups vary, but the behaviors, and the outcome, is the same.
Only by sheer luck, and I do mean luck, did I get out alive. For an entire year after I left the cult, I broke down and cried every day.
In my opinion and based on my experience:
Allison is, and this is brutal honesty, too far gone to ever be salvaged. Too much damage has been done to her psyche.
Depending on one’s length of time involved, degree of commitment and how much one has sacrificed and lost — family, jobs, assets, etc., will determine how much recovery one can accomplish once one disconnects, if one ever does. Some go from cult to cult.
India has a chance. Allison none.
Nancy and Clare are what I would term a write-off on a balance sheet. Valueless.
As for dear old Vanguard? Would he were never born.
Frankly, I believe what happened was a perfect storm of Keith and his MLM schlock, Nancy, Bronfman money and B-list nubile young actresses.
Sadly, too many reaped that whirlwind.
Some paid with their lives. Others their reputations and pocket book.
About time the unholy troika, or the gang of 7 as I term them, pay the piper.
She should have left with Kristin Kreuk. That way she might still have had a career. Kreuk allegedly tried to get Mack out after she herself left but failed.
g I very much appreciate this article and sharing your story and insights into how a cult controls people’s minds. Thank you for taking the time to try and help other people who have found themselves victim and may not know where to turn. Your comments are always thoughtful. Why people posting here like to lash out at others under the anonymity cloak shows they have a need to try and hurt other people in order to make themselves feel superior. These people aren’t deserving of a second look.
I concur with your opinion that Ms Mack is still, very much, under the spell KAR cast and is willing to do his bidding. I do hope she breaks free at some point.
My mind turns to Ms Kreuk and things people have written here on Frank Report. If she was so deep into NXIVM could she still be a part of the group but be able to hide it? Could she be seen as the leader of a rebuild in the future? I was just wondering if this seems feasible to you.
“My mind turns to Ms Kreuk and things people have written here on Frank Report. If she was so deep into NXIVM could she still be a part of the group but be able to hide it? Could she be seen as the leader of a rebuild in the future? I was just wondering if this seems feasible to you.”
She was in just as deep as the cunt she recruited. The things Frank Report posters say about Kreuk is applicable to Mack. They both knew about financial crimes and the pedophilia of their beloved Keith Raniere.
How could Allison Mack go from thinking she was in a “self help group” then overnight a sex slaver who brands women? She didn’t. She first had to know other things… and not care. Just like Kristin Kreuk, who moved full time to Toronto for filming in 2013 and pretends she left the cult. She didn’t. Ask anyone from the Vancouver branch if she actually quit. It was once the world press were talking about NXISCUM in 2017 that she decided she didn’t want to be publicly associated with the cult. The press could of and should of gone after the cult, Kreuk and Mack all the way back in 2012. The press didn’t and Kreuk and Mack didn’t care as there was no affect on them. The press can still talk about Kreuk true role…
Meh, in today’s lingo it’s called a “kink”.
That’s what all this hyper sexualization of our young, and society is for.
Fifty Shades of Gtey comes to mind.
Thetefore Allison was pre programmed to accept this schlock Keith and his minions spewed.
“If Ms Kreuk was so deep into NXIVM could she still be a part of the group but be able to hide it? Could she be seen as the leader of a rebuild in the future? ”
Yes, this would explain why no one can prove when or if she really left the cult. And explains that virtue signalling is to fool recruits that she and the rebuilt cult will be for good. It all makes sense now.
I can only tell you my experience, nothing more.
The Internet has made it fairly easy to keep track of those I once knew in the cult I was in.
Most, if not all, of those who had leadership roles are either still there, at the main campus still in authority and the others who broke away, started their own groups, teaching the same lies scamming people as usual.
Many believers followed them while the more hard core remained on, and or live close to the main campus.
But this happened immediately., within a year, after the founders death and jockeying for power happened. Many thought they had paid their dues and now wanted their just desserts.
Keep in mind, though, their sole livelihood was the ministry where as
KK has a career outside of NXIVM and, unlike Scientology, NXIVM has no relationship with Hollywood.
One can readily see KK is doing all she can to distance herself from NXIVM.
Notice how quickly Lauren knew Allison was more susceptible to love bombing.
Mommy Nancy taight her well.
My money would be on Claire doing such. Outside of NXIVM, Claire has not made her mark in the world either scholarly nor in dressage. She has no gold, silver or bronze medals.
I often wonder if she knows Peter Van Guysling or Mia Nielsen and, if so, what opinion they have of her horsemanship.
Claire doesn’t even have a GED!
In fact, I have a bet with someone now that Claire has enough money, enough tentacles out there, that she could readily find someone to bypass the ankle monitor and whisk herself away via a private jet to some non extraditing country ala Roman Polanski or to her resort in Fiji.
It’s said she has 200 million left. More than enough to live on.
So, speculation only, my money is on Claire keeping the NXIVM fires burning, if at all.
Then, again, the idle rich can use money to erase their past so easily.
All NXIVM was/is, in my opinion when it comes to the Bronfman’s, was to prove to their father, and relatives, that they were movers and shakers among the best.
I am a tad wordy in responding. My apologies but, you see, this cult thing is a complex issue.
I know what I know having been in one for a length of time and hung around with two other “famous” cults and read every paper, every tome, anything I could get my hands on over many years time. Hindsight is 20/20.
See, it is true we go from one cult to the next though I was only an observor of the other two yet over many years time.
In fact, one of them, the state head quarters, is just 2 miles down the road I live on.
God speed, Leon.
Umm, Leon, unless you sonehow rose from the grave, are you THE famous Leon Festinger?
If not, why this moniker and not some other?
I would be honored if you were his spirit come to life but methinks that is wishful thinking and I don’t believe in ghosts.
Yet, think of the discussions we could engage in, long into the night. I would find it most intriguing.
So….who really is Leon? Hmmm🤔
I suspect Allie Whack was done for when her parents prostituted her out as a child “actor”, so she was probably a monster well before Raniere got her in his grip to steer her degenerate tendencies.
As for the small-minded, jealous comment trolls, they seem to be too dense to realize G has been posting here for a bit, and said they are local to either Clifton Park or Half Moon.
My response to anonymous.
Seems to me you are attemtping to “out” me. Is that so you can stalk me? Is that why you mention those two towns? I wouldn’t do that if I were you.
Someone warned me about how they were stalked online
As for “cribbing” someone elses notes.
I steal from no one.
I gather that’s your attempt to slander and discredit me. Or, is it, a way to divide the commentors on Frank’s blog?
I suggest you are up to no good.
As for lacking sympathy for Allison.
Wrong again. I mourn all that has been stripped from her by those who do not mean her well.
One had to be realistic, though, and triage what is honestly salvageable and worthy of saving and what is beyond redemption.
My compassion is for Heidi and the loss of her sister. We know of 2 women whose lives were taken from them because of these people.
I am done spreading my compassion thin. I will husband it and spend it on the victims and friends and families of the victims, both alive and deceased.
As for feigning my involvement in a cult.
I wish I were a liar but…I am not.
A cult is likened to mental rape. One never forgets being raped, physically nor mentally.
Now you just sound like Flowers. Total nutso reaction to an innocuous comment. Vaguely interesting you picked the one comment that wasn’t degrading you to do it.
I think you misinterpreted Anonymous’ comment.
I seriously doubt you’ve ever been in a real organization that uses spiritual techniques. You would understand and sympathize with those who are affected by the power and ceremony of self correction and self control. Allison Mack bought the vision, that’s all. She tried to live to an ideal set by a teacher who was probably not worthy of her trust.
Anonymous it’s a technique not a spiritual experience and it works very well.
Read Lifton’s ground breaking work.
It is nothing more than a technique to break a person mentally and physically and fill them up with your thoughts.
NXIVM, like Scientology, like any of the so called faith and prosperity groups perform no healing miracles though they lay claim to them.
One would be better to drop acid if one wants a quasi spiritual experience.
All these groups boil down to is some grubby schlub wanting to get into some woman’s pants. Nothing more.
There’s a podcast out there with a cult survivor (not NXIVM, but a cult that was around in the 70s/80s) who says pretty much the same thing. Either this is the same woman or it’s someone else cribbing from this woman’s interview.
Thank you so much for this g. I also believe Allie is too far gone to be saved. She is in for the long haul and I think she believes in her Vanguard and will follow him to the ends of the earth. It’s so, incredibly sad to see a life wasted in this way. I also believe she doesn’t have a penny left to her name; that she signed it all over to her ‘master’ when she left her life as an actress and fully committed to NXVIM. She is responsible for hurting others and must pay the price for that but I don’t believe she thinks she’s done anything wrong. She was walking along the striped path and doing the Vanguard’s bidding, she was trying to grow his movement for the betterment of all (is what I think she believes).
I think Keith and Nancy are different stories. KAR is all about his own self gratification both carnally and financially. He gets a charge seeing people, especially beautiful young women, hanging on his every word and accepting his arbitrary punishments for whatever transgression either real or imagined. It appears that Nancy is greedy so the money was most likely her motivation but she also probably enjoyed the mind-control she had over the underlings in NXVIM. I can’t comment on the Mexican contingent since I haven’t read as much about that faction but there is probably another group of mindless followers there with a smattering of leaders who will take them for all the money they have and used them to recruit others.
I have been ruminating about the Kristin Kruek debate that flares up here from time to time. How deep inside the organization was Ms Kruek? How much did she know? Was she away her outreach to tweens was a recruitment tool? When did she get out? Is she out or is she just waiting for the dust to settle and she is part of the rebuilding plan?
I’m so impressed with how this author can read Mack’s mind, even though she’s never even met her in person, as far as I know.
It’s called behavioral psychology, social dynamics and actual cult experience.
For you to accuse me of mind reading? Intetesting ploy on your part but, like most things you spit out, that have no basis in fact, it’s a fallacy.
Thankfully I have been through the fire many times so your narrative has no effect.
Nice try, though.
Now I wash my hands of you.
I wish I found reading as enjoyable as you. I think girls are better than guys at it and I think you have to start young to develop a taste for it, more so now in the ADD era than in the past. I was always better at the math and science instead of the verbal stuff, although I did attempt to woo with some poetry a beautiful girl once, albeit not so successfully.
@systemic.anomaly one other thing: this girl was coincidentally a big Star Trek fan like you. I mean, I don’t know how big of a fan of it you were/are compared to her. I just read somewhere that you were a fan. I wasn’t a fan so to speak although I did often watch Star Trek: The Next Generation a long time ago. I thought I was most like Spock of all the characters, and he isn’t exactly the rock and roll type that gets the girls. But he is logical and (sometimes) insightful.
It could easily be much more than just 7, just wait until the next indictment comes out.
Wow, g. That’s powerful. Thanks, I needed that today.
Seriously, it even crossed my mind (very briefly) to take a drive down to Allie’s house with Gina’s journal and have a conversation with her and her parents that probably would have really put me in prison. And, if I didn’t have a son who needs me more than anyone, along with some reassurance like yours as to the fruitlessness of such a well-intended journey, anyway…
I guess, at our age, ya just gotta live and let die. Your survival is an inspiration. …You know what really “survivor” sucks, is the fact that despite that, you still can’t save anyone from them self.
Hiedi, if you think showing Allison the journal might help, then maybe you should try. I don’t see why you’d get in legal trouble. Just don’t make any threats, or try to climb through the window.
It’s too early to claim she is “too far gone”. There are people raised in cults from birth who extricate themselves to lead fruitful lives after the fact. It might take a long time and a lot of deprogramming and healing but it can be done. Human beings aren’t automatons made in exactly the same way on an assembly line.
Well said . This shadow dude n his many aliases don’t know shit from shinola. If Allie Wack did the crime,
Yes Doctor, it seems like the Frank Report has become a circle jerk for the few Allie Wack fanboys.