By a Reader
What Frank isn’t telling us is that the REAL problem here is Moira Penza.
1) The reason a plea deal hasn’t been finalized yet is because that fucken bitch, Moira Penza, is playing ‘chicken’ with the goose that laid the golden egg — Nancy Salzman. But Nancy will not ‘blink’ or ‘swerve’ first. She’ll drive her figurative car right thru Penza’s car and meet up with eternity, if need be.
2) Nancy Salzman is like God’s “right hand man” — she knows everything to bury everybody. She knows where all the bodies are buried (figuratively).
3) IMO, Penza needs to DROP ALL JAIL TIME for Nancy and offer her full immunity.
4) IMO, Penza also needs to DROP ALL JAIL TIME for Nancy’s lovely youngin Lauren, because a mama bear cannot allow her baby cub to be placed in harm’s way.
5) Until that bitch (Moira Penza) decides to give Nancy WHATEVER THE FUCK SHE WANTS, there will be no plea deal and Nancy’s valuable testimony will be lost.
6) It doesn’t matter if the government has a case without Nancy. It only matters that the government’s case WITH Nancy is 100 times fucken stronger. Even a retard can figure that out.
7) I’d be surprised if Penza doesn’t change her attitude soon because if she doesn’t, she’ll lose Nancy and risk putting on a weaker case — and possibly wind up as the ‘laughingstock’ of the EDNY if any acquittals happen.
8) Nancy and Lauren must be allowed to walk free as a bird. They must be free to soar high in the skies above Albany forevermore. They are two birds that must be free to SING for the EDNY and spill the beans on everybody for everything.
9) If you disagree then kiss my ass because, deep down, you know everything I said is true. 🙂
Don’t shoot the messenger just because he says things in the most annoying way possible. 🙂
Didn’t Nancy teach breast cancer was caused by having low self esteem?
“fucken”? This is the ranting of an idiot.
I see the mental midget, smiley face troll (who I am not entirely convinced isn’t Flowers) has struck yet again.
And Frank Parlato is glorifying them, as usual, just to get a reaction out of people.
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This particular post is finding commentors in fine form today/tonight. Waiting for that next shoe to drop (superseding indictment, plea deal, an unfortunate accident befalling KR in jail) seems to have put everyone on edge.
I’m not going to defend Nancy and Lauren on most things. But I will on a couple. Nancy thought she was starting a legitimate business relationship with Keith. Keith tricked her and took advantage of her. Nancy did not “give” Lauren to Keith. Lauren was a big girl who had just graduated from college. She had been hearing about this smartest man in the world B.S. And than, out of the blue, KEITH WANTED HER!!! Can’t really blame Lauren for falling for the liar. Who knows if Nancy was even that cool with it – but what could Nancy say if she wasn’t? Keith wanted her daughter. Her daughter was an adult. Plus, Nancy was running around telling everyone how perfect Keith was. But he’s not good enough for Lauren? The problem is that Keith then used Lauren to keep Nancy snared to him. He kept whispering sweet avatar nothings to Lauren as a way to keep Nancy from causing him problems.
My problems with Nancy started when she piled on and helped ruin Toni. Nancy should have seen the light and RAN. Nancy should have planned her exit as that was going down. I hope that the only reason Nancy went along for the ride for the next 20yrs is because she got Lauren into the mess and Lauren certainly wasn’t leaving the mess. But instead of doing the right thing, Nancy wimped out, helped NXIVM thrive, and let the psychopath keep going 100mph forward.
Many of you don’t understand just how tricky, devious, calculated, and dangerous Keith was/is. Nancy and Lauren are two of the biggest victims. They then turned into two of the biggest enablers of Keith.
Obviously, I’m in the minority, but I’d be ok with Nancy and Lauren not doing jail time as part of a plea deal. If that deal helps solidify the case, I say do it. Not that I don’t think they deserve to do time – it’s that stopping the monster is more important. And I believe Nancy and Lauren would have lived perfectly normal, law-abiding lives if they hadn’t ever met Keith.
Nancy isn’t 36, she’s much older than that. She just had her first surgery, she probably needs more time before the reconstructive surgery.
The local word is that she recently had the cosmetic reconstruction part. That’s why Lauren’s time with her for more weeks was approved by the judge. No more surgeries on the horizon
That generally takes place 6-12 months after the initial surgery, and sometimes years later. Many doctors do the reconstructive part after all radiation/chemo has concluded. Perhaps she rushed it to look more feminine in court, but she could have worn a bra made for that purpose as well. Of course, you could be right, there are exceptions to all of the above.
Doubtful there’s chemo or radiation going on here. Maybe a pill but none of the awful stuff in the veins. Medicine has changed. Reconstruction is often started at mastectomy. Then 6 weeks later it can be finished and the other side tweaked to match. All done in one day. You dont even get a hotel night at the hospital
It wasn’t Nancy I was talking about DP
Moira Penza is obviously so astronomically far ahead of the game on NXIVM it’s not even comprehensible that a person stoopid enough to write this post can type or speak. It’s scary you’re loose on the streets.
Nancy’s the “goose that layed the Golden Egg”. Wrong. Nancy’s a worthless crook caught red-handed, pleading for clemency in exchange for info the prosecution already has a hundred times over! She’s pathetic.
More like Freddie Geas will soon be laying goose eggs on all your disintegrated Nazi heads.
Including yours, Schlock. Don’t tell me you didn’t write this post, Scott Johnson.
Ready to get slocked like “Whitey,” Schlock? That red-neck Ice bucket challenge you failed didn’t fry enough brain cells?
Whatever Amway’s got on you down there in El Plano, TX, Schlocky, I don’t think your displays of misogyny and racism will inspire your KKK brethren to help lessen the sting of your ex-con jokes once Freddie finds you.
NC GIRL wrote: “What is the point of posting misogynistic comments and turning them into actual posts? Why the need to call Moira Penza a “fucken bitch”? It’s funny on a site that routinely, and rightly, points out the misogynistic behavior of Keith Raniere, that comments that are insulting to women would be tolerated. Seriously, Frank, if your mission is for justice for your self and for others, why would you post such insensitive, demeaning and crude garbage? ”
Maybe Frank enjoys turning misogynistic comments into posts on his blog because he’s a misogynist himself. Afterall, Frank refers to women as “blood and pus filled” on his old manmaking site which, surprise surprise, he has taken offline. The Buffalo Record covered Frank’s gynophobia in this eye opening article.
According to the author, Parlato’s “DEMANDING THAT FEMALES BE SUBSERVIENT TO MAN IS HIS VERY ETHOS.” Seems like Frank would have been a great candidate for creating and writing the module for Sociey of Protectors. Maybe that’s actually the module Keith asked Frank to create and write and that’s why Frank suspiciously mum on that topic.
Here’s an excerpt from the article
“A walk through the anachronistic depravity of Parlato’s manmaking site reveals why he rejected Calleri’s review of “Snow White and the Huntsman”. Women are to be subservient and controlled by men. Parlato rejects any notion of a strong female who isn’t controlled and “beta” to her “alpha” male. Permitting women to exercise their rights, their brains, and their individuality isn’t “courageous” or “manly”
— Women are to be subservient and controlled by men. Parlato rejects any notion of a strong female who isn’t controlled and “beta” to her “alpha” male. Permitting women to exercise their rights, their brains, and their individuality isn’t “courageous” or “manly”
These terms – beta and alpha – I’ve read several times throughout the comments, in conjunction with terms like ho and slut being bandied about in regards to women who were part of this cult, in entertainment, or otherwise. No wonder these people get free reign to muck them up. Or maybe it’s just one person.
You are taking Frank’s message out of context. He isn’t against strong females, he is against weak males. Read it again, unless you’re a hopeless feminazi, because then there’s no reason to do so.
Your constant coming to Frank’s defense when YOU are the one constantly throwing out truly misogynistic, sexist, racist remarks, Schlock, is just laughable. Gawd, your a toddler in a tantrum. Go redo the ice bucket challenge with dry ice this time. It looks really cool if you add a little grease for a black ice effect.
Thanks for the link. Very enlightening. Seems that Frank isn’t such a good guy after all. He’s as bad as the people he writes about, Raniere included. What a hypocrite.
What is enlightening is finding out how erroneous your “thinking” is.
Aerial, it’s Scott writing this shit not Frank. Why Frank allows it is a great question. I feel like I’m really wasting time anymore here. I think it’s time to find a blog without the continuous BS on it.
What was a lot of even handed info on the Nxivm sickness seems to have run out of steam. My hope was to learn what I could , and possibly even catch the trial. Since that isn’t going to happen I’m going to find a new outlet for my free time.
Scott get some help, it’s obvious your not much different than Rainere you hate women too.
I refuse to waste one more second on you. May God find a way to touch your heart .Heather P
Good riddance, Heather. Don’t let the door hit you on your way out. The BS level will go down considerably when you stop posting comments. I don’t hate women, but I do dislike feminazis like you. God already touched my heart, and He is smiling now because you’re leaving. Soon.
Even the tanster folks don’t buy Frank’s bull and question the people he chooses to promote here. Just read these comments:
Jennifer Bailey “Parlato’s story never made sense to me. He claims he was hired to work as publicist for NXIVM back in 2007 and that he had no idea it was a sadistic sex cult. And yet NXIVM was branded a cult on the cover of Fortune magazine three years earlier. Shouldn’t a guy in PR know what the media is saying about the place he is going to represent in the media? Either he is incompetent or he is lying.”
John Q Public “And why is Frank working with Omar Rosales, the disgraced attorney from Texas? Why would anyone reputable want to associate with someone like that? It says a lot about who Frank is.”
You should read more of Jennifer Bailey’s comments on Tanster’s website. She’s a nut, just as Tanster has proven herself to be. Tanster had a story recently that she was shocked I blocked her on Twitter, then I commented (twice) that I only blocked her because she blocked me first, and my policy is to block those who block me. Tanster removed that comment twice, and she claims she is after the Truth. Obviously, it’s her truth she is persuing.
I agree with the Omar comment, he lost his appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, so now he gets to pay ~$300,000 in fines and has been suspended from practicing in the Texas court for 3 years.
Regarding Frank being hired, perhaps he wasn’t aware of the article or he thought it was a smear piece.
Follow the links and read Frank’s actual writing. It’s not misogynistic IMO — not even close to how it’s paraphrased in the article. Maybe a little “sexist” if you don’t believe in traditional gender roles but it’s written as a defense to the white male bashing free-for-all that does and has gone on for decades.
Ror those that have the time, of which there seem many here
Thanks for the link, but that story is riddled with errors.
That’s not the point
dipshit.Your brain is about the size of your tiny clitoris
Then what is the point, “genius?”
Frank, why did you print this? It belongs on your troll page.
Because it represents a point of view. A nutty point of view in my not so humble opinion. Let the games begin. Instead of calling it a name (troll), what do you find wrong with it?
Scott, you said it yourself: it was nutty. The misogynistic tone, the narcissistic boasting…whatever serious criticism it might have had was buried in the language and techniques of trolls.
So what if I think it was nutty. It is a point of view, and as far as I’m concerned, nuts should be given every opportunity to expose themselves. Grow a pair and push back, don’t complain and say they shouldn’t be heard. Think of it as an opportunity to completely expose what fools they are, and then do it.
Another bullshit post by an idiot columnist. It is bad enough with shadowperv, and his misinformation. Relax child, Richard P. Donoghue is running the show here. Salzman is not that important in the scheme of things. This author reads too much of shadowperv’s estrogen produced drama.
Salzman is important, it was her NLP that caused ESP/NXIVM to start in the first place.
No scooter not as important as you want to believe. You stick with your Captain
You don’t have a clue regarding how important I believe she is, all I said is she is important. What a stupid comment.
No scooter, you ignorance surprises nobody. Keep swinging lil fella you are an amusing one.
You should prove how ignorant I am by coming on my radio show. We’ll see who the ignorant one is! But I know you’re probably just another coward.
Maybe you should look up the meaning of the word “ignorant” umm you got the shaft from Amway for how many years? And you still are not aware. No need to go on a radio show to see who is ignorant, you yourself have already proved you are. Get help man, you have serious mental issues, which again, no need to go on a radio show to prove, that’s displayed for all to view here.
A reader: You keep using that word…I do not think it means what you think it means
NC girl: well said
By a reader…you eat with that mouth?
Cursing and name calling, plus the veiled threats, do not make your argument convincing.
Besides. I, for one, do not want Nancy walking the streets of the tri cities anytime soon.
I don’t want to run into her at Stiyvesant Plaza or Crossgates or have her standing in line next to me at Starbucks.
I want her and Lauren to serve time, get 3 hots and a cot and be near some real bad ass bitches and not the NXIVM wanna be”s.
I will dance in the streets when she is carted off to prison and sing “another 9ne bites the dust”.
Isn’t that suggestion like cutting a deal with Mussolini to get extra beef on Hitler? WTF?
We cut a deal with Stalin to get Hitler.
You can’t get much worse than Stalin.
What is the point of posting misogynistic comments and turning them into actual posts? Why the need to call Moira Penza a “fucken bitch”? It’s funny on a site that routinely, and rightly, points out the misogynistic behavior of Keith Raniere, that comments that are insulting to women would be tolerated. Seriously, Frank, if your mission is for justice for your self and for others, why would you post such insensitive, demeaning and crude garbage? What makes these trash posters any better than the “Vanguard” you revile? They are cut from the same cloth. My guess is the only difference between the posters of such rubbish and KR is that Keith actually got laid, however he weaseled his way into doing so.
I’ve admired you, Frank, for the courage to fight back against the NXIVM machine and the tenacity of your fight. But, can you find nothing better to post than trash like this? We don’t really know what Moira Penza has up her sleeve. My guess is she’s a pretty smart woman and she has plenty of evidence and witnesses lined up. She might not need Nancy as much as Nancy thinks. We will see.
Everyone has a point of view. If you can’t take the heat, get back in the kitchen.
That was misogynistic. The word kitchen is misogynistic. No one should be allowed to fell a woman to be in the kitchen. Everything that criticizes a woman is misogynistic. No woman should be criticzed. All women should be believed.
No, you’re too sensitive. Your name screams it. So does your entire post. Do you believe Mack and Salzman should be believed?
Women should always be believed if they accuse a man. But if a woman says something against a woman then believe the woman who has the best evidence.
That makes total sense, as long as you’re a feminazi.
You trolls can’t even do a decent imitation of me, so what’s the point of your goofy comments?.
How old are you boys, anyways?
flowers take your meds and get back up to the pyschiatric ward.
Hey, Scott! Congratulations at your latest attempt at cleverness! Too bad it failed! I’m sorry that the highlight of your life revolves around making asinine comments. But, I expect nothing more from a guy who got suckered in by Scamway decades ago and still can’t get over it.
Your need for snotty, hateful comments towards other posters undermines any good that you bring to the table. Your attacks on Flowers and Shadow are sad, and part of me wants to feel sorry for you. But, your behavior proves any pity for you is wasted effort.
Have a nice day!
NC Girl, have a fine feminazi day yourself.
Hi, Scott! Sorry the best you can come up with is feminazi. What a tired, lame term recycled by sad manbabies like you to show that you are still stuck in the past. The good news that one of us here in the comments section thinks you’re clever. The sad thing is it’s you. Have a nce day!
This was clearly written by a “she” who has a stake in the freedom of Nancy and Lauren. If this is true and Penza is holding back on giving them such unrestricted plea deals because of what they did and would rather take it to court based on the current evidence the state has, good for her. She’s a fucking hero. These people need to be held accountable for what they did for two decades.
Look at some of the most frequent male posters and you will find the author. These women cannot be given a freebie. We have some idea how devious they are. Moira Penza on the other hand knows so much more than any of us. She may have been chosen for her sweet, innocent appearance as this group has made a lifetime living of taking advantage of this type of woman. Deep down Nxivm thinks they have this in the bag.
They are going to be very surprised I hope.
I’m going to trust she not only knows enough and has enough credible witnesses and evidence, she’s telling us this by not giving them a free pass and as you said 2 decades of this, nor would there be a Nxivm without Nancy Salzman, she must pay a price. People keep saying Nancy stayed because of Lauren. BS, she started as a partner and gave him Lauren knowing better than anyone at that time who and what he was. I had hoped that her illness would give her a different perspective on her crimes and we will see it’s not over yet.
Thanks for the riddle Heather, but I’m not guessing.
Moira Penza is a graduate of Cornell Law School.
I wonder which law school Scott Johnson graduated from.
The misogyny of some commenters is staggering.
“Everyone has a point of view. If you can’t take the heat, get back in the kitchen.”
“which leaves the breastless Nancy hanging out to dry.”
Scott Johnson’s comments
I never attended law school and have never claimed I have. I also didn’t make a legal claim, as you do all the time, Captain Obvious. However, a lawyer has no greater right to make their opinion known than I do.
Women want equal rights? Then they must accept criticism and not try to hide behind their girliness simultaneously. In the context of this story, that is what NC Girl was attempting to do. Only by allowing free speech do we expose the idiots. The answer to speech we don’t like and/or agree with is more speech. Frank is free to expose the nutjob opinions of the author of this story, I’m free to give my take on the story, and somebody having a problem with that clearly has inferior thinking.
Nancy has reportedly had her breasts cut off, that makes her breastless. What is your point, Captain Oblivious?
You are a really sick human being. To make such sick jokes I cannot figure out why Frank let’s you back on here. There are many women reading your posts that have been through what Nancy just went through that aren’t Nxivm CRIMINALS. You have no idea the harm comments like yours cause.
If you can’t stick to a response to a post without purposely being a pig than you should be beck in Scottys fucking corner and kept there.
We are all so sick of you.
I never said anyone who has ever had cancer is a NXIVM criminal. Is this confirmation the cancer has reached your brain?
Yes it has, I’m sure you have a great joke to make of that. When I shared this information in the past it was because I thought Nancy was flipping because if her cancer. I shared personal things to strangers rather than people I care about. I was hoping Nancy would understand when it hits a certain point it’s over and she would do something noble for once.
Then you should stop posting, it’s obvious you can’t think straight. But congratulations, your comments will outlive you forever. Expecting Nancy to do the right thing because a total stranger makes a comment on a website she will probably never see is silliness.
Heather – I appreciated your post to Nancy and I’m sure she read it. I’ve also posted things I hope she has read. What the hell else does she have to do other than read FR? I’m sure half of Frank’s hits are from ex-NXIVM members hoping not to read their names.
Nancy was manipulated for the past 20 1/2 years by Keith. Hopefully, something has woken her up to realize she has been under “da voodoo”. Nonetheless, she is killing herself, has led her daughters to prison’s doorstep, and has turned herself into a criminal. Without first looking in the mirror and realizing that, she is a lost cause. I still have faith in Nancy because I know Keith has turned her into something she wasn’t meant to be.
Women want equal rights? Then they must accept criticism
Criticism based on facts and logic and reason.
Not based on gender.
“Nancy has reportedly had her breasts cut off, that makes her breastless.”
The implication is that a breastless woman is somehow less than a woman.
Is a man without his prostate less than a man?
Should that be a debate topic during a campaign?
That would be your implication, not mine.
You cannot imagine what having a mastectomy at 36 is like. Reconstruction doesn’t always work.
You guys are just so inhumane . I’ll quit while I’m behind. Why are you on here pretending you give a fuck about these branded women. Viva executive success
Thanks NC Girl. My thoughts exactly.
Moira has the force and power of Uncle Sam behind her, and probably has more than enough information from the raid and people cooperating that have not been indicted, which leaves the breastless Nancy hanging out to dry.
The real problem is that Queen Nancy and Princess Lauren believe that a plea deal is a Get Out of Prison Free card.
It’s the same type of belief that prevented Allison Pimp Mack from cutting a plea deal.
The women who really run NXIVM are ENTITLED.
FYI any plea deal Penza makes has to be approved by her supervisors in Brooklyn and Washington DC
We don’t know what the real “problem” is, you’re just guessing. Just like you did before, when you were so confident Nancy had cut a deal. Never in doubt, often wrong, strikes again.
Scott, you don’t even have the information to make an intelligent guess.
When did Moira Penza meet with you to inform you what information she has?
It must be quite a burden to be smarter than the prosecutors, the FBI and the computer experts.
And Frank Parlato said it best:
How do you know a NXIVM member is lying?
Their lips are moving.
Captain Obvious, I can easily make an intelligent guess. However, what I don’t do is what you do all of the time, make definitive declarations as if they were facts, only to be proven wrong when more of the story comes out.
I know much more than you do about NXIVM, because I know about what NXIVM is based on, the MLM scam that taught Raniere everything he needed to know about how to take advantage of people, Amway.
I never claimed I know more than the Feds regarding the specific facts about NXIVM, in fact I’ve said exactly the opposite numerous times.
Amway sells expensive detergent.
There is no comparison between Amway and NXIVM.
NXIVM sells expensive “intensives.”
There are lots of comparisons between Amway and NXIVM, but you wouldn’t know, because you don’t have a clue how Amway actually works, or you wouldn’t have made such a stupid comment.
True. Moira Penza is a HUGE problem for raniere, the salzmanz and nxivm. Probably the worst problem they have ever encountered.
Nancy could certainly benefit from Ms. Penza’s legal noblesse oblige, but I doubt Ms. Penza needs, let alone wants to give Nancy and her criminal daughters, any quarter. Why? Nancy’s ‘valuable testimony’ has been gleaned without her permission. Also, Her daughter lauren is far from ‘young’ or ‘lovely’, and indeed far from being the competent critical thinker, that supposedly described her ‘job’ in the criminal enterprise.
Ms. Penza’s bread and butter is made from crims like them.