More on suspicious college survey where Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack lent their names to recruit for NXIVM cult

In 2007, a suspicious survey for college students emerged that was hosted on a website registered to Karen Unterreiner [Etholoutions.com]. Unterreiner is a notorious High Rank of NXIVM and longest serving harem member of Grandmaster Keith Raniere.

Yet the survey was promoted as sponsored and devised by Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack [along with Nicki Clyne and Sarah Edmondson].

This was clearly deceptive on the part of Kreuk and Mack.

I submit the survey was not written by Mack and Kreuk – but by Raniere and Unterreiner and was meant to use Mack and Kreuk’s celebrity to recruit college students into NXIVM.

As of today, we do not have the complete survey [it has been taken offline] but we have some of the questions.

Thanks to Chet Hardin and to another reader of the Frank Report, we know this much about the Raniere -Kreuk survey for college students:
It begins with a “super cool” “hip” intro that supposedly was written by Kreuk and Mack – but more likely was written by that super coolest of all – the Vanguard dude.
“Hi there… if you’re reading this, it must mean you are an incredibly intelligent, witty, clever and good lucking member of the college community. If all but the college part applies to you, congratulations! but you best be moving along for now. But for all you college folks, thanks for comin’ over and sharing your valuable time with us. The survey will take about 15 minutes depending on how long you linger, and as a thank you for sharing with us, you have the opportunity to ask one of us (Allison Mack, Kristin Kreuk, Nicki Clyne or Sarah Edmondson) any question in the universe! If it’s out there enough, we just might answer it…
Then the survey looks for the standard info – plus your favorite movie:
first name:
last name:
email:
city:
state:
favorite movie:
 It is okay to send me emails to future events and promotions.

Hardin provided in one of his earlier stories these two bizarre questions which are part of the Kreuk-Raniere survey:

1 Would you swallow a glass of your own vomit for $100?

2 What if it was dog vomit?

ISn;t that Kristin Kreuk at the top of the survey?

These two ladies did their level best to bring in NXIVM recruits. One lady [left] recruited the other one [right]. The lady on the left got out of NXIVM – scot-free – the lady on the right is charged with sex trafficking and may spend the rest of her life in prison. The lady on the right has nothing to say about that however. Instead she is focused on playing the role of a brave attorney that exposes injustice and stands up for female victims.
Kristin Kreuk plays a brave lawyer on TV who risks her career to protect young women.
Getting back to the sruvey, a reader wrote to me providing Frank Report with a few more questions from the survey, which she was able to get from magnifying the youtube video where Mack and Kreuk promote the college survey.
The questions seem to focus sharply on money – something that Raniere always had in mind – when recruiting anyone – money and sex.  That was Raniere’s world – to be sure – money and sex.
Here are the questions visible from the youtube video:

9.   Bare necessities

The suggested amounts to click for each
$0 / <9.99 / $10-24,99 / $25 – 49.99 / $50-100 / $100+
-clothing (accessories, shoes, casual wear, gym clothes, etc)
-toiletries (toothbrush, toothpaste, hair products, make-up, etc)
-looking good (hair cuts, esthetics, etc.)
-car maintenance (repairs, oil changes, etc)
-gas
-bus/subway
-taxi
-parking
10 says ‘School Stuff’
$0 / <9.99 / $10-24,99 / $25 – 49.99 / $50-100 / $100+
and the first two topics are ‘Textbooks’ and
‘Supplies (paper, pens ..)
32  Do you watch Smallville?
-I’ve seen it once or twice
– I never miss an episode
– if I’m home I’ll watch it
– I own every DVD and have watched them multiple times
– What’s Smallville?
33
Do you watch Battlestar Gallactica
(same selections as above)
‘***
While Kristin Kreuk says she was not a part of NXIVM’s inner circle or witnessed any nefarious activities, it is clear she was part of the recruitment effort by the inner circle, led by people who did plenty of nefarious activities.
Since no one else is asking the question – I will – did Kristin and Allison write the survey? And if they did what was their goal. What did they do with the results?
If they didn’t write the survey, why did they claim they did? What was the hidden motive in lying about writing a survey?
See these links:

Here is a video of Kreuk and Mack promoting their NXIVM survey for college kids:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ4aEk9Ecoc&app=desktop

Here is the link where Kreuk and Mack were promoting the A Capella Innovations which was another recruitment tool for NXIVM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amLPa8I1KU0

Here is a video from A Capella Innovations with a Keith Raniere quote behind them. You have Allison Mack and Kristen Kreuk and Nicki Clyne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGdSRjfqxAM

Here is a video of Kreuk with fellow NXIVM coach Kendra Voth promoting Girls By Design to help teen girls with self-esteem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYKLc8eabzo

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  • Why don’t you leave Kristen and Allison the f*** alone already do you have nothing better to do than be a pathetic loser who doesn’t have a career doesn’t have a life but you like to pick on people who may or may not have one in the future you have no proof that either one of these women did anything wrong.

    You have no proof that Allison was allegedly engaging in sexual rape of young women or human trafficking or anything not to mention Kristen as well all it is is bullshiting here say you not a judge you not the juror but you seem like an executioner willing to destroy somebody’s live for your own benefit.

    You want your 15 minutes of fame get it somewhere else leave these women alone already it’s people like you destroy people’s lives because you have no concrete evidential proof whatsoever about the fax yet all you listen on is hearsay and b******* you get from people that are on the Internet it’s pathetic it’s people like you who likes to destroy lives you just a f****** insect that’s all you are leave them alone already .

    To me it seems like you’re just jealous because they have a career and you don’t you just a pathetic loser making scanned and natural comments and reports with no evidential facts whatsoever.

    Until you get concrete evidential proof shut the fuck up

    • From the Superseding Indictment.
      Only some of the charges against Allison Mack.
      The evidence will come out at trial.

      28. In or about and between September 2015 and June 2017, both dates
      being approximate and inclusive, within the Eastem District of New York and elsewhere, the
      defendants KEITH RANIERE, ALLISON MACK and LAUREN SALZMAN, together with
      others, did knowingly and intentionally steal property by extortion, in that RANIERE,
      MACK, LAUREN SALZMAN and others obtained property, to wit: personal property and
      other things of value, by compelling and inducing one or more persons, to wit: lower-ranking
      DOS members, to deliver such property by instilling in them a fear that, if the property were
      not so delivered, RAMERE, MACK, LAUREN SALZMAN and others would (l) expose a
      secret and publicize an asserted fact, whether true or false, tending to subject one or more
      persons to hatred, contempt and ridicule

      defendants KEITH RANIERE and ALLISON MACK, together with others, did knowingly
      and intentionally recruit, entice, harbor, transport, provide, obtain, maintain, patronize and
      solicit a person, to wit: Jane Doe 5, an individual whose identity is known to the Grand Jury,
      in and affecting interstate and foreign commerce, and did benefit, financially and by
      receiving anlthing of value, from participation in a venture that engaged in such acts,
      knowing and in reckless disregard ofthe fact that means of force, threats of force, fraud and
      coercion, and a combination of such means, would be used to cause Jane Doe 5 to engage in
      one or more commercial sex acts, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections
      1591(a)(1), 1591(a)(2) and 2.
      B, Forced Labor of Jane Doe 5
      30. In or about and between February 2016 and June 2017, both dates
      being approximate and inclusive, within the Eastem District of New York and elsewhere, the
      defendants KEITH RANIERE and ALLISON MACK, together with others, did knowingly
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      and intentionally provide and obtain the labor and services ofa person, to wit: Jane Doe 5, by
      means of(a) force, physical restraint and threats ofphysical restraint to her and one or more
      other persons, (b) serious harm and threats of serious harm to her and one or more other
      persons, (c) one or more schemes, plans and patterns intended to cause her to believe that, if
      she did not perform such labor and services, she and one or more other persons would suffer
      serious harm, and a combination of such means, in violation of Title 18, United States Code,
      Sections 1589(a) and 2.

      https://artvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Nxivm-Indictment.pdf

    • You are either a NXIVM member or Smallville superfan. Either way, you are a retard. Frank is a major reason NXIVM is fucked.

  • Just a few minutes on Google turns up the information that Sylvia Tan attended the same highschool as Kruek (Eric Hamber Secondary in Vancouver) and that Tan was one of the students who received an award from Vancity in 2000. Kruek is listed as graduating in 2000.

    Obviously the 2 were friends in highschool, and when Kruek, a Vancouver girl refers to “annuals” she means her highschool year books. (Just as all us Vancouverites say.)

    • The tweet says weekend trips to Whistler. Is that what Eric Hamber School students did or NXIVM? So Kreuk recruited one of her high school friends. Also, the tweet was from 2013, the yea Kreuk claims (lied) she left.

      • Whistler is a very popular place in Vancouver that people from all over the world travel to dumb dumb. Kristin has lived in Vancouver the majority of her life. Just because Kristin went up there with her NXIVM friends doesn’t mean she always went up there with her NXIVM friends. It is very likely that she went up there with old high school friends prior to ever joining NXIVM (or even after) whom she still keeps in touch with that have never been a part of NXIVM. Not every person that Kristin dealt/deals with in her life is a NXIVM member. Holy shit you people are obtuse.

        • Sultan, the funniest part is they are trying to pretend that ANNUALS is some secret, mysterious NXIVM word, when all it refers to is a highschool year book! Ask anyone who grew up in Vancouver what an “annual” is, and they will agree with me.

          • People are wondering if these Whistler trips discussed by Crook and this Sylvia Tan are NXIVM trips. It is very possible Kreuk recruited her school friend into the cult and the pair went on these NXIVM trips together.

          • Actually YES, they did.
            Read yesterday’s comments starting at 11:08 AM.
            Why bother to lie about it? We can all read what was said.

          • No anon , “people” are not wondering that. I bet at this point though, they are wondering why FormerNexians post about Whister was so quickly followed up by an an post about Krueks old tweets that mention Whister.
            Hey….could it be that someone found that tweet first and then “someone with a Nxivm connection” suddenly decided to post about Whistler and talk about these trips, as a lead-in to post this previously discovered tweet?

            Connect the dots, (and the picture that is forming is not very pretty)

          • Reading thru the comments, someone asked what “annuals” meant. Not one comment said that word was a secret NXIVM word. I personally never heard of the word.

        • Sultan
          Let’s not overlook that FormerNexians post about Whistler, is very quickly and coincidentally followed by this old Kruek tweet regarding Whistler.
          Connect the dots here everyone .

          BTW, I bet most Americans had no clue what ANNUALS referred to, and thought they could convince people it’s some secret NXIVM talk.
          You people are just goofy!

          • I now consider if maybe I should contact Sylvia Tan to let her know she is being slandered in the comment section here.
            There is no evidence she was a NXIVM member, and here you goofy people are dragging her name thru the mud.
            I would if Frank could give her your IP addresses in case she wants to sue you?

          • The poster to refer to the whistler trip as a nxivm thing has a name of “former sultan supporter” and can be found posting at Oct 12th at 11:43pm and at Oct 13th at 12:09 am on the suspicious college post page.

      • Obviously you are pretending to not understand the previous comments. So let me summarize:

        *ForrmerNexian pops in out of the blue (how amazing!) and he suddenly mentions Whistler trips.

        *Suddenly an anon commenter pipes in with “Look! Heres evidence in Kruek’s Twitter comment to a Sylvia Tan. She mentions mysterious ANNUALS and
        Whistler trips. OMG! lock her up!” (And isn’t it amazing that anon just suddenly found Krueks old tweet?)

        *Then there is speculation on the nefarious nature of the word ANNUALS

        *I then remark that ANNUALS probably refers to highschool year books, and I am promptly called a liar

        *I then do a Google search and prove that KK and her friend Sylvia attended highschool together…., and so it’s likely that when Kruek goes thru her old annuals she thinks of her old highschool friend. Correct?

        *And now here YOU are, pretending to not understand this simple information.
        Why?

          • And why would I care what you goofy liars think? But it’s hilarious that you think that I care what you think or write about me.
            I dont care that you never heard of the word annuals before…the point is when I told you goofs what it meant, you morons said I was lying about it.

            Idiots and liars, and 100% immoral. And I dont get the impression these liars are nxivm members either.

          • I’m not Sultan , who it appears is not from the Vancouver area, because he doesn’t realize Whistler is not in Vancouver.
            It’s a fairly long drive to Whistler from Vancouver, along the Sea-to-Sky highway, and passing by the town of Squamish.

        • – *ForrmerNexian pops in out of the blue (how amazing!) and he suddenly mentions Whistler trips.

          – *Suddenly an anon commenter pipes in with “Look! Heres evidence in Kruek’s Twitter comment to a Sylvia Tan. She mentions mysterious ANNUALS and
          Whistler trips. OMG! lock her up!” (And isn’t it amazing that anon just suddenly found Krueks old tweet?)

          That’s because they’re all the same person(s). That’s why they keep projecting that others are me. They keep rehashing the same shit over and over again in the comments wherever Kristin is mentioned and elsewhere as well. It’s a broken record of: Kristin was still supporting NXIVM in 2015 (constantly trying to link her to DOS), that she lied and was never out in 2013, that she participated in money laundering schemes on Necker Island, that GbD was NXIVM company, that she recruited hundreds of girls into NXIVM, that she was named in Joe O’Hara’s lawsuit, yada, yada, yada. They’re trying to tie her to NXIVM illegal activities by repeating these claims and lies without ever providing any verifiable evidence for it.

          By the way, I know that Whistler is somewhat North of Vancouver since I visited the city back in the Summer of 2013 and made a trip up there. I only said it was in Vancouver because that’s what most people associate Whistler to. I also drove the drive you’re referring to with all my NXIVM buddies because that’s the only way possible that I can make a trip up there. We were all plotting our next money laundering and tax evasion scheme up there. Oh yeah, I also tagged along with my brother and his family, and my sister-in-law’s family who had first cousins living in the city at the time and I believe still do, and her mother, father, and brother who happened to be visiting as well. They’re all NXIVM members as well because otherwise why the hell would I make a trip up to Whistler then?

      • Wow, if that’s how your mind works, it’s no wonder you can’t back up any of your accusations. You just jump to conclusions based on your own assumptions with no supporting facts whatsoever. Is this the same ridiculous way you came to your false notion that Kruek was still involved with NXIVM in 2015? If you keep making false assertions like this, you could get Frank slapped with another libel suit.

        BTW, your recent claims about ionwhitepoety are also b.s. as she said that Kruek ” was involved SO LONG AGO, I’m pretty sure she didn’t know anything about DOS.”

        • Yes Sultan, Whistler is known throughout the world as the best location for plotting and scheming and dreaming up money laundering ideas, ideas which require the use of special, mysterious annuals.

          By the way, I also left a message for Sylvia Tan to let her know she was being slandered by someone here.

  • Here’s a 2008 story from Chet Hardin about how NXIVM tried to use Allison Mack and Nicki Clyne to influence or seduce the Mayor of Troy, New York.
    It is well worth reviewing to see what Raniere, Salzman, Mack and Clyne were up to.

    The Stars Come Out in Troy
    Metroland, New York/March 13, 2008
    By Chet Hardin
    Last week, Troy Mayor Harry Tutunjian got a break from his regular humdrum duties to entertain, at least for a little while, celebrity. Allison Mack of TV’s Smallville and Nicki Clyne of Battlestar Galactica were in Troy, scoping out the quaint downtown scene, visiting the shops and going out for dinner, and they popped in for a quick visit with the befuddled mayor.

    Mack and Clyne have said that they were interested in starting a business, and curious about the community’s youth scene, said Jeff Buell, Troy’s director of public information.

    Why Troy? Why the Capital Region?

    Because, according to multiple sources, Clyne and Mack are students of Executive Success Programs, or ESP, which is the educational wing of NXIVM, and have been for at least a year. Mack’s co-star, Kristin Kreuk, has been connected to the organization for years.

    NXIVM, a Capital Region-based organization, purports to offer courses in “ethics, critical thinking and entrepreneurship.” It has been criticized by many of its former members as destructive and cultlike.

    The head of NXIVM, Keith Raniere, started his “human potential training” business in 1998, after his first business, Consumers Buyline Inc., a multimillion-dollar discount buyers club, was shut down after 25 state and federal investigations. It was alleged at the time that CBI was a pyramid scheme, and Raniere was forced to pay New York state roughly $50,000.

    According to former insiders, Raniere is referred to by followers as “Vanguard.”

    Clyne and Mack’s apparent goal is to start a business, the details of which are somewhat unclear, but according to sources, it would be geared toward helping young entrepreneurs and college students start their own businesses. “We really want to be known for our parties,” Mack told a source, who asked to remain anonymous.

    Sources also said the business could entail a membership fee. As a member, students would have access to discounted items, such as travel or computers. According to sources, the business would have direct ties to NXIVM, something that NXIVM president Nancy Salzman flatly denied.

    In an e-mail to Metroland, Salzman wrote, “To say their business is affiliated with NXIUM [sic] is quite a stretch, but if you must it would also mean, Enron, Worldcom, Krispy Kreme and BNI, Black Entertainment TV and a number of different countries are NXIVM affiliated. . . . The business to which you refer is just another business started by one of our past or present 8,000 participants who took one of our courses in ethics, critical thinking and entrepreneurship. It is our intent to help people start businesses if they want to and be more joyful and prosperous in their lives, I guess we’re doing a good job.”

    “What Raniere is obviously doing is gearing up for the college crowd,” said Rick Ross, a leading cult deprogrammer and controversial critic of NXIVM. “The demographic that has been the most lucrative, the most fruitful for cults is 18 to 26.”

    Young people with substantial discretionary funds who are alone for the first time in their lives, are an ideal target, he said. He pointed to the survey that Clyne and Mack have linked to from their official Web sites as an example of Raniere’s attempts to gather data on this demographic. Nearly each page of the online survey features a picture of Clyne, Mack, or Kreuk. The survey is hosted at etholutions.com, a domain registered to Karen Unterreiner, a longtime associate of Raniere’s from his days with CBI.

    Raniere, according to Ross, is not allowed, by law, to be involved in a discount buyer’s club, due to the collapse of CBI.

    The survey is specifically geared toward college students. It asks more than a dozen questions regarding their purchasing, studying, and recreational habits. After a round of these questions, the survey moves on to more unusual questions, such as, “Would you swallow a glass of your own vomit for $100?” The questions continue along in this vein, increasing the hypothetical monetary payout, and also the grossness factor: “What if it was dog vomit?”

    “My experience with Hollywood people and cults, they are really easy to grab,” said Ross. “A lot easier than you would imagine. They are so vulnerable and emotionally needy. What kind of person wants to be an actor in the first place? They need to be loved, adored, and the center of attention. It’s like shooting fish in a barrel.”

    Clyne and Mack declined to comment for this article.

    https://culteducation.com/group/907-nxivm/6076-the-stars-come-out-in-troy.html

  • I am not a troll and I have a point of view. With every great idea first comes resentment then ridicule than acceptance. Vanguard is going through resentment and Ridicule now only to be later accepted. Kristin accepted his lavish enjoyment and eager concern. Her stupid father ruined his concern spoiling the chance for her to truly succeed. That’s why she gained a little and lost her chance at unification. If she only had a good father like Allison and me. Vanguard is our true father brother husband and lover. It’s not too late KK – a word of support for Vanguard Your Van Heart ❤️ will aid your being and bring you integration. This is your issue. Not being the woman you act on television to be. Change and speak truth to power. KK. Be a true hero.

    • Pea, I am repeating this very serious question to you.
      It’s an important question.

      “He (Raniere) has just solved the probelem of global warning when he was arrested. He told me he had a solution and that very day he was arrested.”

      Since Raniere was arrested early in the morning am I to take it that you were in Mexico, in Puerto Vallarta, at the exact time Raniere was arrested?
      Raniere had 4 women with him to attend to his sexual needs.

      Allison Mack
      Lauren Salzman
      Nicki Clyne
      and Loretta Garza.

      Which one of those four women were you, Pea?

      • I don’t try to find out who you are. I don’t see why you are always trying to learn my identity. I choose to be anonymous and have my ideas stand for themselves.

        • Pea:
          Thank you for providing a more reasonable response.

          If we know a little bit about your background we can understand where you get your knowledge of the Vanguard and his wondrous achievements.
          And we can understand a bit about how you came to accept and even glorify an ideology that appears on its face to be misogynistic.

          People don’t hate you, Pea, in spite of your clearly hostile name.
          We want to understand your point of view.

          I do not call myself a feminist and I believe the #metoo movement sometimes goes too far.
          At the same time I don’t want to torture or enslave women.
          And it disturbs me to see women, many well educated or well to do, willing to submit themselves to such treatment.

          Likewise it disturbs me to see women abuse other women to benefit a man, any man.

          If you would like to know a bit more about me I was born in Indiana and grew up in Michigan, West Texas and Northern Minnesota.
          I graduated from the University of Illinois, the place where the first web browser and the LED, Light Emitting Diode, were invented.
          Basically I am a Midwesterner who abhors slavery and tries to practice moderation.

          It disturbs me to see women so eager to place yokes around their necks and even imposing slavery on your fellow women.

          And I will never advocate taking away your freedom to express your ideas no matter how bizarre and abhorrent I find them to be.

          Vanguard would have done himself a world of good if he had been less paranoid and possessive about his followers and more open to criticism from his detractors.

      • If I remember correctly, we have already established that the troll who hides behind the name Pea onyu, is in fact failed standup comedian/d-list actress nicki clyne. You can currently find it waiting tables and cleaning toilets in some dumpy vegan eatery in new York. Why? executive success!!! Please refer to earlier post regarding this topic. Everything I just told you is true and I use my real name.

        For further entertainment understand it considers it self highly sexually attractive, that being based on some of the troll comments it leaves. Search for the picture of it in a shit brown prison jumpsuit to see why it thinks so. Apparently if some fat.stinky pedo that walks 15 miles a day with limp finds it hot, the whole world is suppose to.

        • I am trying to get Pea to examine the belief system she”s been force fed for the last twelve years.
          It’s a highly misogynistic philosophy that destroys everyone who adopts it.

          In Pea’s case it has already damaged her life.
          But I want her to realize that she’s not being persecuted.
          I want her to understand that America will never accept a social structure where women only exist to serve as “sister wives” to please a few perverted men.

          • Ok, I understand but why then is it important to know who it is? It could be any one of 4 losers you listed. What difference does it make? A serious question.

          • To Walter J. Nestor III

            A serious question deserves a serious answer.

            At some point Pea/Nicki will have to do some serious soul searching.
            All the NXIVM defendants will have to do some soul searching except for Raniere who might not have a soul and the Bronfmans who have atrophied souls.

            Nicki and friends will have to examine how and why they fell for such a blatant con artist.
            They will have to figure out why they fell for a Grifter and ended up selling their souls to Devils like Raniere and the Bronfmans.

            They’ll have to figure out why they sold promising careers and lives to become Flying Monkeys for wicked evil people and in turn became wicked evil people themselves.

            And the first step in that painful process is for Nicki to figure out who she is and what motivates her to do stupid, brutal, evil acts.
            Introspection is not an easy process but the NXIVM defendants will have to do it.

            And hiding behind snarky names like “Pea Onyu” will not help the process.
            Nicki has to learn that she is not being persecuted but is indeed the author of her own misfortunes.

            To borrow the line from the poem Invictus, Nicki Clyne is, “The Master of her Fate, the Captain of her Soul.”

            “It matters not how strait the gate,
            How charged with punishments the scroll,
            I am the master of my fate:
            I am the captain of my soul.”

            William Ernest Henley

      • Pea:
        I know you’re better than that answer.
        I paid attention to your comment and used what I know about the circumstances of the Vanguard’s arrest to deduce that if you were with Vanguard when he was arrested in Puerto Vallarta, that you are one of four women:
        Allison Mack
        Lauren Salzman
        Nicki Clyne or
        Loretta Garza.

        That’s a serious question that I asked you.

        BTW I wouldn’t worry too much about Global Warming.
        I had to scrape the frost off of my windshield this morning and it’s only mid October.

  • This looks to me like a useless social science survey but without any real interest, but to obtain personal information and spending habits. I would like to believe most of these actresses never came to the conclusion that it was a scam to find suitable ‘students’ for the cause. But who knows. They were presenting these actresses and used them and they were young, inexperienced and dumb enough to let it happen.

  • If I had a daughter I would ask him to teach her. Girls by design was designed to bring out the best in girls by inspiring them with Kristin and Allison and nourish them with the wondrous glory of Vanguards teachings. Believe while there is still a chance. Do you know he walked and thought out our world problems every day and night. He has just solved the probelem of global warning when he was arrested. He told me he had a solution and that very day he was arrested. The world needs his wisdom. Do not deprive us by sullying This great and noble man. This whole awful Kristin thing is a distraction. She was with us. She has to protect her career. She has betrayed us after being enjoyed lavishly by our leader. Sad sad sad. 😢

    • “This whole awful Kristin thing is a distraction. She was with us. She has to protect her career. She has betrayed us after being enjoyed lavishly by our leader. Sad sad sad. 😢”

      Is this person real or a troll?

      This person either wants us to think he/she is Nicki Clyne, Ally Wack or one of the other hoes with Raniere in Mexico (“He told me he had a solution and that very day he was arrested”) or this person really is bat shit crazy and one of said hoes.

      The thing about Kreuk though… did he put his beef in her taco?

      • I think it’s obvious that Pea is a troll who needs to do some more studying because, news alert, Pea — Allison was not GBD.

        Here’s what Susan Dones said about KK – “She got out before it became really bizarre and wasn’t involved with anything sexual.” But since people on here seem to put more weight behind anonymous posts or comments posted by people using an alias rather than those giving interviews under their names likes Susan, here’s this from a poster calling themselves FriendofKK last year before the NYT article came out and the Scott Johnson’s of the world had not yet descended here: “I know KK very well. She never touched Keith. She got out of ESP and tried hard to get Alli Mack out, but she was already drinking the koolaid.”

        • Susan Dones claimed Kreuk left in 2009. That is false. Kreuk herself said 2013 and retweeted Sarah Edmondson’s defence that she left in 2013. Yet Kreuk was still supporting NXIVM in 2015. Dones lies. Why?

          Whoever this person is saying Kreuk tried to get Allison Mack out is also lying. Why would Kreuk try and get Mack out if Kreuk still supported NXIVM in 2015? Also, a insider on Frank Report, Ionwhitepoetry claimed Kreuk was still involved in 2016.

    • So was the solution to global warming statutory raping 12 year olds? Or perhaps just another blatant lie you fell for. I mean with a 2.26 gpa basic math without a calculator is something fat and stinky struggles with.

    • Pea: I have a serious question for you.

      “He (Raniere) has just solved the probelem of global warning when he was arrested. He told me he had a solution and that very day he was arrested.”

      Since Raniere was arrested early in the morning am I to take it that you were in Mexico, in Puerto Vallarta, at the exact time Raniere was arrested?
      Raniere had 4 women with him to attend to his sexual needs.
      Allison Mack
      Lauren Salzman
      Nicki Clyne
      and Loretta Garza.

      Which one of those four wlomen were you, Pea?

  • Sultan, on GBD not being NXIVM you are beating a dead horse. And are dead wrong.

    Sure, KK and KV did say GDB was not a NXIVM company, but that’s meaningless PR to counter bad press.
    And yes, KK wished to do something like this before she ever was in the cult. Meaningless.

    At the VERY LEAST, it was NXIVM-ish.
    Why?
    All the leaders of GBD were members of the cult, “trained” by the cult, aided in formation by cult leader Nancy S.
    And probably every girl in GBD knew KK was in NXIVM and wanted to be like KK.
    I don’t know if GBD taught some version of NXIVM self-help or empowerment philosophy, but I would guess it did, because that’s what its leaders were taught

    I don’t know if GBD was designed to funnel girls into NXIVM (like the Survey or Acapella) but if it was, maybe KK didn’t even know, or if she did, she probably thought–at the time–ESP was a good program that had helped her earlier.

    GBD doesn’t need a NXIVM tax ID or letterhead to be NXIVM in everything but name.
    Everyone knows that but you.
    You’ve been maligned here often, and often unfairly, but on this issue you brought it upon yourself.

    Sultan, if you don’t agree, fine, just ignore this and move on…please don’t respond. I have heard your many defenses of GBD already, and don’t need to hear it again.
    I’ve agreed with you often and supported you sometimes…but on this issue you are off base.

    • Girls by Designs was absolutely NXIVM. Kristin Kreuk, Kendra Voth, Tamara Lelie Skinner, Tabatha Chapman and others were all involved with NXIVM. They did a weekend retreat for teen girls. Kreuk, Voth and Skinner were there. Here are some clips of Kristin Kreuk being weird and culty.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KHyg8r2zy6Q

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=518m0SPlNTE

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hjfaP4QnV_k

      Tamara Lelie Skinner with kinky Buddhist monk and Sara Bronfman lover, Lama Tenzin:

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BjIZdT-leIW/?hl=en

      Kreuk is still in contact with Skinner by the way. “Minimal contact” my ass.

    • — Sure, KK and KV did say GDB was not a NXIVM company, but that’s meaningless PR to counter bad press

      There was NO BAD PRESS on GBD at the time they made the statement. A segment for it was even done on Canadian ET and there were a number of articles that gave it good press. They made the statement to a group of fans on one of her fan sites because they were concerned with the “cult” label. You people have proven over and over against JACK SHIT about the history of such events. Unlike you, I was there when all of said events happened. And when asked for evidence, you guys never provide it and indulge in innuendo and insinuation to tarnish their motivations using nothing more than guilt by association to link them to FUTURE EVENTS that happened seven or eight years later when a SECRET DOS was formed well after both of them left.

      THAT IS YOUR GAME. It’s obvious to anyone with a mind and brain.

      You guys repeat the guilt by association fallacy like a broken record in the comments every some days or less. Just like you guys repeat that Kristin and Kendra lied about it in an attempt to sully their characters every some days or less.

      – At the VERY LEAST, it was NXIVM-ish. Why? All the leaders of GBD were members of the cult, “trained” by the cult, aided in formation by cult leader Nancy S.

      NXIVM was a company that professed to sells programs and services that supposedly helped people build their own businesses. Thus the acronym ESP which stands for “EXECUTIVE SUCCESS PROGRAMS”.

      HOLY DUH.

      – I don’t know if GBD taught some version of NXIVM self-help or empowerment philosophy, but I would guess it did, because that’s what its leaders were taught

      NXIVM ripped off many ideas that weren’t even their own that many other self-improvement and business programs sold and taught to others. None of this has to do with alleged illegal activities, recruiting girls into NXIVM, or recruiting girls into a hidden sex cult that formed almost a decade later.

      – I don’t know if GBD was designed to funnel girls into NXIVM

      [Rolls eyes] at the loaded “funnel girls into NXIVM” innuendo bullshit. Why the fuck are you talking then about it then and insinuating such?

      – (like the Survey or Acapella) but if it was

      So you confidently assert to know that the hidden purposes of the Survey and Acapella ten years ago were to “funnel girls” into NXIVM? Were you personally involved in the secret designs of the cult? Because that’s the only way you could be so sure of yourself.

      This is just more loaded writing to do what I already stated in the first paragraph.

      – GBD doesn’t need a NXIVM tax ID or letterhead to be NXIVM in everything but name.

      Umm…having a separate tax ID IS evidence for being its own business entity separate from NXIVM.

      But pray tell, what else does GBD need then in order for it to NOT be a NXIVM company if it has its own separate tax ID, has no legal affiliation or partnership with NXIVM, has no high ranking or board members of NXIVM listed in its articles of incorporation, etc? How do you distinguish between a NXIVM company and a non-NXIVM company, or a NXIVM related project or a non-NXIVM related project?

      See, you can’t according to you, because it is merely enough that Kristin and Kendra WERE INVOLVED in NXIVM to make whatever endeavor they engage in NXIVM related. Then I guess Beauty and Beast is also a NXIVM related project and maybe even Burden of Truth is too because according to the retarded “logic” by some that is engaged in in the comments section on this website, Kristin was still in NXIVM in 2015, and she could STILL be hiding her involvement in NXIVM in some big secretive play on all of us.

      [Roll my eyes even more]

      – Everyone knows that but you.

      You mean “every” of the same people using different aliases that repeat themselves saying the same shit in the comments every some days that makes it known that it is them.

      • You’re talking semantics.

        If we accept your own strict logic which serves to shield KK like a warm blanket, we must also accept that Keith Raniere is not guilty of any nefarious financial activities — since nothing was “officially” in his name.

        Sometimes people must use common sense. Logic can only take you so far.

        If you’re suggesting that GBD had no intention of being used as an INDIRECT way to screen and recruit possible gullible females for NXIVM’s other businesses, then perhaps I question if you have any common sense.

        The proof is in the pudding.

        This pudding is rancid. It’s foul smelling and odorous. It makes you retch.

        It’s like a fine wine that’s been paired with rotting beef.

        Frank’s job is to keep investigating and putting a spotlight on KK until we can learn the details of GBD along with her level of responsibility in using her star power to help NXIVM recruit lots of people into an unholy life — a life filled with financial servitude and having their bank accounts drained by overpriced intensives.

        That is not a nice life, sir.

        Even if it’s not illegal, it’s certainly unethical and her career should take a hit in the court of public opinion.

        When Nancy talks, the truth will be revealed. I pray that you’ll one day break free from your ‘spell’ of worshipping KK and the ground she walks on.

        Until the day comes, I’ll have to be satisfied with having proven that you’re incapable of using common sense when discussing KK. 🙂

        • – You’re talking semantics.

          No I’m not. I’m not discussing the meaning of words.

          – If we accept your own strict logic

          There is no such thing as my “own strict logic”.

          – which serves to shield KK like a warm blanket,

          You obviously don’t understand the definition of the word “shield”. No wonder you think I’m “talking semantics”.

          – we must also accept that Keith Raniere is not guilty of any nefarious financial activities — since nothing was “officially” in his name.

          False equivalence.

          Having/not having something in your name as absolution from the possibility of criminal activity is irrelevant to the matter at hand. It has nothing to do with the question of whether GbD is a NXIVM company or not. You have asserted that GbD is a NXIVM company in contradiction to Kristin and Kendra’s own words. This puts the burden proof on you, and thus requires that you prove that it is such. This entails that you provide a definition as to what makes GbD a NXIVM company. What makes it such if it isn’t legal documentation? The fact that Kristin and Kendra were involved in NXIVM? This notion has already been thoroughly countered in my previous response. The idea that it is secret conspiracy between the parties involved and they are all lying about it? Good luck in evidencing that.

          GbD isn’t even on the list of NXIVM shell companies even being looked into by the government.

          – Sometimes people must use common sense. Logic can only take you so far.

          I don’t see much of either here. Regardless, LOL. As if logic and common sense cannot simultaneously exist, or that common sense can go beyond logic.

          – If you’re suggesting that GBD had no intention of being used as an INDIRECT way to screen and recruit possible gullible females for NXIVM’s other businesses,

          I haven’t suggested anything. It’s you who are suggesting that it is other than what Kristin and Kendra have professed it to be.

          – then perhaps I question if you have any common sense.

          – The proof is in the pudding.

          Not really. Its really in the evidence.

          – This pudding is rancid. It’s foul smelling and odorous. It makes you retch.

          Buy unspoiled pudding then.

          – It’s like a fine wine that’s been paired with rotting beef.

          Don’t eat rotten beef.

          Regardless, nice appeal to emotion and false dilemma.

          Ironic coming from someone who claims that a fan can’t keep his partiality in check.

          – Frank’s job is to keep investigating and putting a spotlight on KK until

          His “job” is to keep clicks coming so he can continue to generate advertising revenue.

          – we can learn the details of GBD along with her level of responsibility in using her star power to help NXIVM recruit lots of people into an unholy life — a life filled with financial servitude and having their bank accounts drained by overpriced intensives. That is not a nice life, sir.

          How many times are you going to repeat this slippery slope fallacy and appeal to emotion bullshit like a broken record?

          – Until the day comes, I’ll have to be satisfied with having proven that you’re incapable of using common sense when discussing KK.

          There’s no one more biased than a hater.

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  • During the Holidays, the Vancouver group would also organize trips to Whistler and other spots. Several of these were done over the Christmas holiday.

    This was done to 1) strengthen the bond between Nexians and 2) break familial ties. The people that participated included Edmonson, Kreuk, Hildreth, Vicente and other members of the core insider group.

    The reason you didn’t see Allison Mack act after Smallville was because Keith Raniere had to approve Allison’s projects as being ethical. If she took unsanctioned projects, then that was a breach.

    • Well this is weird…

      https://mobile.twitter.com/mskristinkreuk/status/343184359504875521

      Kristin Kreuk
      @MsKristinKreuk
      @sylvia_tan
      Went through old annuals the other day… Remembering Whistler. And you. Muah.

      ——

      Sylvia
      Sylvia
      @sylvia_tan
      ·
      8 Jun 2013
      Replying to
      @MsKristinKreuk
      @MsKristinKreuk
      Priceless. Will always associate you with weekends in Whistler. One of my fave memories: you reading us a book on the porch.

      ——-

      Sylvia
      @sylvia_tan
      ·
      8 Jun 2013
      @MsKristinKreuk
      Don’t ask me which book. I was just memorised by the delivery. Mega Vancouver hugs. xo

      ———-

      What does Kreuk mean by “old annuals”? Some NXIVM shit?

      NXIVM trips to Whistler eh?

      Kreuk reading a book to her fellow cult members on the porch? How pretentious. She also did a NXIVM inspired play for Nancy Salzman on her birthday. Sad.

      Another NXIVM member exposed: Sylvia Tan.

      Kreuk exposed her as a cult member as she initiated that public display on Twitter. People would of read that without even thinking Kreuk and this chick were publicly reminiscing about NXIVM cult trips. Not good, Kristin, not good at all.

      • “What does Kreuk mean by “old annuals”? Some NXIVM shit?”

        Annuals could be yearly journals or diaries…or…OR… the year by year plan of NXIVM to avoid taxes, mule money every week, join a harem, recruit Ally Wack to form DOS, get Canadian tax dollars to virtue signal on a TV show (no acting lessons required) then lay low if the Vanguard is arrested so years later KK can start NXIVM up again with her GBD girls army!!!!!
        Wait….
        The post was from June 2013…before KK ever had joined the cult.
        Boy…do I feel stupid…assuming everything KK ever did is nefarious.

        But wait….she really was part of the O’Hara 100, wasn’t she?! Lock Her Up!

        • “The post was from June 2013…before KK ever had joined the cult.”

          She joined the cult in 2006. What are you talking about?

      • I really do feel stupid…I thought the tweet was from 2003, before KK joined.

        That said, I humbly repeat that my point of not to jump to conclusions is valid…sigh

      • We usually refer to our highschool yearbooks as annuals here (maybe it’s a Vancouver thing) so that could be what they are taking about.

        • It is not and you know it. Did you also enjoy certain weekends in Whistler? How is the Vancouver NXIVM branch holding up? Have a nice day

          • How do you know it’s not what they are talking about?😅
            Unless you wrote the comment yourself, you have no way to know that. I’m offering a guess as to what Kruek may have meant. I suppose I could look up some info on her, and see where she attended high school, and if her friend attended the same school.

    • Olivia Cheng and Grace Park were definitely in Whistler together.

      When Kristin Kook and Olivia Cheng were doing an awful YouTube “series” called “Queenie”, (where Kreuk declared herself an executive producer(!) and Cheng, trying to be funny by pretending to be a Chinese immigrant with a foreign accent), they went on the set of Hawaii 5.0 to film whatever bullshit they filmed as Grace Park was both a cast member and NXIVM cult member. The cameraman of that embarrassing “Queenie” spectacle was Michael Margolis, a NXIVM coach and wannabe filmmaker.

      Olivia Cheng did not just embrace her Asian heritage by pretending to be funny as “Queenie” on YouTube, she also fronted “One Asian”, a NXIVM shell company for NXIVM. What the fuck was “One Asian”? A scheme to get Asian beaver for tiny Keith? Someone on Frank Report said Raniere asked Kreuk to front it but she didn’t. She had no problem fronting GBD, Juicy Peach, College Project, Acapella Innovations etc and even once Olivia Cheng started fronting One Asian, Kreuk was still a supporter of the NXIVM cult beyond her claim of leaving in 2013. Can’t assume she turned down “One Asian” for moral reasons can we? She was still a supporter.

    • Could you be more obvious than that?
      Former Nexian shows up with a comment about KK going to Whistler as some kind of shady business, and suddenly someone new chimes in with a tweet about Whistler trips.
      Their supposed shady business was non existent anyways, it was only a couple of old friends reminiscing over old times.
      Do you morons even realize how evil you really are, besides being so painfully stupid.

  • Girls By Design was Kreuk’s NXIVM business. Higher ranks in NXIVM were encouraged to create ethical businesses that followed Raniere’s teachings.

    Virtually all the businesses failed because Raniere was a fraudster and knew nothing about business.

    Kreuk held meetings for NXIVM, Jness, and Girls by Design in her home in Vancouver. Kreuk then self-promoted as a ‘Successful Businesswoman’ in the mold of Nancy Salzman.

    Raniere’s idea was to create a society of ESPians and NXIVM businesses that would not use cash, but instead barter. This was done to avoid tax liability.

    • — Girls By Design was Kreuk’s NXIVM business.

      No it wasn’t. It likely had its own tax id, had no legal affiliation or partnership with NXIVM or its board members, and therefore it could not be a “NXIVM business”. Kristin and Kendra in a verbal statement denied any such association. Unless you provide such proof you’re talking out of your ass. Since you’ve repeated this a dozen times without substantiating, you’re a liar. Labeling yourself as a “Former Nexian” gives you no special info nor extra credibility on such details.

    • Catherine Oxenberg hosted NXIVM / Jness meeting too. Why wouldn’t someone be open to hosting things like that when they believe they are participating in a legit, helpful endeavor. And since GBD was Voth/Kreuk project, why wouldn’t she host it?

      • In their PR damage control statement regarding GBD, they flat out denied GBD was connected to NXIVM (they lied) and didnt confirm or deny they (Kreuk and Voth) were NXIVM cultists, on purpose. That is morally wrong. Would you send your daughters to that shit?

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