The time has come for Nancy Salzman to sing.

What would Nancy say?

If, as has been rumored, Nancy Salzman decides to flip, I think it is fair to say that we will see the end of the man who insisted that he be called Vanguard. A man committed to fraud and lying, and a man who thought he would never get caught.

Nancy could be the nail in the Vanguard coffin.

How many incriminating things does she know? I don’t have space to list them all.

But here are a few:

Nancy knew about the perjury in the computer trespassing civil case – filed in 2013.  The statute of limitations had expired when NXIVM filed it against a group of defendants including Conde Nast, Suzanna Andrews, Jim Odato, Toni Natalie, Joe O’Hara, et al..

Nancy was aware that NXIVM knew about the true date of the discovery of the computer trespass [through Mary Jane Pino’s logininfo] and that date was early 2011, not when they said they discovered it — in 2012.

Steve Ose and Nancy’s son-in-law, Ben Meyers, know all about this too.

The civil complaint was completely, provably, perjurious, and fraudulent. They stated in that complaint that they discovered the trespass in early 2012, when, in fact, they had discovered it in early 2011.

Keith knew because he ascertained the dates of the computer trespass with Steve Ose and Ben Meyers. Keith was supervising Ben and Steve and used his Yahoo account and he can’t delete Yahoo emails. There are emails and texts extant [perhaps in encrypted devices] between Keith and Ben and Steve. While Ben and Steve had NXIVM.net email addresses and likely erased them, Keith had a Yahoo account and that can’t be erased. [World’s smartest man.]

So Keith knew. As did Clare Bronfman, that Clare had perjured herself in the civil computer trespass case.

Here’s some more proof: In early 2011, at Susan Dones’ bankruptcy trial, Clare testified that NXIVM knew people were logging on their password-protected website – and that information from there would later appear on the Saratoga in Decline blog.

Later, Clare swore she {NXIVM] found out about the trespassing in 2012. It was Keith and Nancy that assured her it would be alright, that she would get away with perjury. No one would put two and two together. It was done for the cause, for the sake of the mission. And Keith is the smartest man in the world.

Then there was the criminal computer trespass.

Nancy knew that, in order to criminally prosecute Barbara Bouchey, Toni Natalie, Joe O’Hara and John Tighe on felony computer trespass, NXIVM had to secretly move their servers to Albany County – in 2014, then lie about the fact that their servers were located in Albany County for years before — during the alleged computer trespassing done prior to 2011.

Clare Bronfman did the lying. Keith ordered it. Nancy knew about it.  They did this in order to try to imprison Keith’s enemies. This is racketeering. And here’s some more: In the Ross civil suit, the DOJ has alleged they altered video evidence.

Nancy could tell the DOJ how they used a phony NDA contract in the criminal computer trespass case that stated that students can’t talk about other students. That contract was never incorporated into the program and didn’t come out until after 2009.

Yet they presented that contract as if it bound Mary Jane Pino and others.  NXIVM made the allegation in the civil computer trespassing complaint that this was a policy put in place regarding third-party communications about third parties in training. They used it as an example as to why Mary Jane Pino’s sharing of her login would have been improper, because of this contract.

But Pino never signed that contract. The contract wasn’t existent when Pino became a NXIVM student in 2003. Nancy was privy to this deception on the court. But it was Keith’s plan and she knows it.

This also ties in to something else: In the fall of 2006, Nancy oversaw a meeting, at 455 New Karner Road, meant to deceive the court on NXIVM’s security procedures regarding  proprietary information.  They made arrangements to create a room were the trainings were tracked and put in a password protective room at the NXIVM center. The reason they had this meeting, [Wendy Rosenbrooks, Ivy Nevares, Barbara Bouchey, and others were there], was to deceive the court that NXIVM had put into place a system where the coaches notes were being numbered and everything was in a secure room.

The people at the meeting were told to lie to the attorneys who were coming that day that this had been their procedure for years – even though the room was set up that day.  The reason the plan to lie was implemented was because the trade secret claim on the Ross case hinged on demonstrating a certain protection of the trade secrets. That policy was put into place in 2006 and was used as a basis to say that the policy existed at the time when Stephanie Franco had taken the training –in 2001.

That was fraud.  Much like moving the computer server — and then lying about when it was put there, NXIVM lied about when they put their security procedures in place to deceive the court in the Ross Case.

Nancy was in the thick of it, but Keith ordered her to do it.

It was a pivotal lie in the Ross case. In 2001, NXIVM didn’t even have that space where the proprietary information was supposedly kept. For years the notes were kept in the hallway where anyone could have taken them. In the Ross civil case, with Nancy’s help, they lied, egregiously, provably and got away with it – causing lawyers for Ross et al to spend thousands of hours fighting their lies.

Then there is Canaprobe.

Under the direction of Keith, Clare attempted to obtain personal financial information of adversaries to harm, harass and intimidate them. They attempted, or actually did get financial information on every judge in every case they were involved in. And other enemies – real or perceived.

Nancy knows Keith would decide who was to be spied on. Clare and Sara Bronfman spent over a million dollars spying on judges and others. Clare got information on her father, on Morris Sutton, the World Jewish Congress, and everyone who wrote or published a negative article about them.

Nancy can testify that Keith told Clare and Sara that there was a big Jewish conspiracy, and that it was her duty to risk breaking the law to spy on judges etc.  World issues were at stake. The Illuminati was involved. This was for the sake of the mission and the future of the world. Nancy knows. She was right there and nodded her head and went along with it all as Keith explained it to the gullible and rather stupid sisters.

Then there was the Mexican plot.

Toni Natalie got phone calls from a Mexican journalist inviting her to come to Mexico for an anti-cult conference. Nancy knows that Keith wanted to get Toni, Susan Dones, Kim Woolhouse and Barbara Bouchey down to Mexico. And not for a vacation either.

Nancy knows that Keith and Emiliano Salinas bribed a Judge in Mexico to issue an indictment against the women. Once they were lured to Mexico, they were going to be put in prison on made up charges. Keith helped write the indictment. Emiliano helped by translating it. Keith and Emiliano did this through a Gmail address they set up and communicated by writing drafts. They would both log on and communicate this way.

Nancy learned about this plot. She did nothing to warn the women who could have been imprisoned and tortured if they went to Mexico. The plan did not work because Toni was suspicious and no one went to Mexico.

Nancy – though she did nothing then – can do something now – she can tell the feds what she knows and it could help put Emiliano and Vanguard away for years to come.

If not she may go to prison for years to come and Emiliano may get off scot-free. For Nancy was part and parcel of fraudulent bookkeeping and tax evasion schemes originating in Mexico.

NXIVM used to put certain students’ names into their accounting system as having received scholarships.  They recorded them as not having paid anything for classes – when, in fact, they had paid in Mexico.

Edgar Boone use to accept applications with wire transfers to his personal bank account for Mexican trainings. Nancy, Loreta Garza, and others use to bring the cash over the border. The cash was kept in Nancy’s house.  It’s no coincidence that some $500,000 was found in a shoebox in Nancy’s home when it was raided by the FBI. That was not her savings.

I was surprised the FBI found so little. Nancy must have moved most of the cash out of her house – perhaps realizing that her house was likely to be raided. She just kept a bare-bones amount lying in shoeboxes. Smart girl.

So Edgar Boone had a bank account set up. The money would be wired into Edgar’s bank account for the Mexico trainings. Cash would come over the border. The students would be logged on NXIVM‘s system as scholarships.  There were no taxes paid on these hundreds-of-thousands of dollars of income.

The plan was – as Nancy could testify – that if Keith ever had to go into hiding, the cash was Keith’s “off the grid” fund.  Too bad for old Vanguard he got caught in Mexico. He was not enough off the gird, it seems.

Nancy also knows how, when things were going sideways in the Ross case, and Keith was ordering everyone to lie, he was concerned there might be a court order requiring NXIVM to image their computers – and the server – to authenticate what NXIVM was producing in response to discovery.

As Nancy knows, Keith ordered Karen Unterreiner and Steve Ose to wipe the whole system and change out all the hard drives.  Karen went in and cleaned up all the records of the scholarship to make it look like the money was received. Ose knows. Nancy knows. This is federal money laundering and destroying evidence.  NXIVM was at Bank of America at that time.  It can be checked out. The bank deposits will not match the scholarships.

Nancy can testify to all of it.

Very likely the amount NXIVM represented as damages in the Ross case isn’t going to match up because of malfeasance in the accounting practices.  Nancy knows who ordered it done:  Keith Alan Raniere. This occurred in 2006 and is part of their racketeering and possibly not time-barred.  Sure, Nancy will recall [as will others] how Keith was all over Karen over the computer project harassing her to get it done.

Then there was Jane Doe’s [not her real name]- imprisonment. Jane Doe reached out to Ben Meyers more than once for help. Ben went to Keith and Nancy – very upset.  Keith was livid that Jane did this. Nancy knows that Jane Doe was held in a room for 18 months. It was her house, hers and Clare’s.

Indeed, I believe it is one of the houses Nancy is using for her bail bond. {Isn’t that a delicious irony?].

Nancy went along with this scheme of imprisoning Jane. Which brings us to Rainbow Cultural Garden. Nancy can testify that Jennie Ose [Steve’s wife] kept a fraudulent set of books for Rainbow Cultural Garden. There were the official set of books with people who were legal and paid on the books, and there were the unofficial books with illegal aliens and people paid in cash or people who were in the country on fraudulently obtained Visas – who could only be paid by certain parties in certain ways.

Jennie kept track of those transactions, and the email address that the invoices went through was Jennie’s email address. Nancy knows. She was supervising.  She knows how Becky Freeman held meetings and Matt McMorris did some 40 excel spreadsheets of the minutes of those meetings. In those spreadsheets were listed the nannies, the illegal aliens; whether they were with or without green cards, etc..  And Rainbow had hundreds of thousands of dollars running through it in tuition. Much of it – perhaps all of it – unreported. Matt McMorris signed the tax returns.

Nancy knew there were two sets of books. One set they showed and one set was secret and the second set is what they used to record what they paid people who were illegal. They paid them with cash.

Some people were illegal like Cami Fernandez.  Some were in the country on fraudulently obtained visas. Nancy knows Clare was involved in every aspect of this. Clare’s foundation, the Ethical Science Foundation, was obtaining visas for so-called “teachers” in connection with an alleged scientific study about language development in children.

That was bullshit. Nancy knows and can testify too – if she chooses to do so.

Clare declared that these specialized teachers from other countries were required because no one in the US could do this work.  Consequently – in order to get the Visas approved – in her applications, Clare swore they would be paid a certain amount of money. They weren’t.  Nancy knows that Keith told Clare that it was not ethical to pay them more than they were worth as Rainbow nannies and that they had to kick back a portion of the money they were paid. Or in some instances they had to work it off under the table.

Some of these women were forced to do menial service for Nancy. She knows. There were three teachers who Clare paid for their school tuition. They came in on student visas to study at SUNY Albany and Hudson Valley. By the terms of their Visas, they weren’t allowed to work in exchange for Clare paying their tuition. But Keith ordered Clare to have them work at Rainbow or for Clare and Nancy personally for free.  Clare wrote this off on the Ethical Science Foundation taxes as a tax reduction. She did not report the work she forced them to do.

Which takes us back to Rainbow, which on paper is owned and controlled by Loreta Garza, who lived in the USA on a management visa for NXIVM.  Nancy knows Loreta was in the USA on a fraudulently obtained visa. Loreta was not a manager for NXIVM. She was the “owner” of Rainbow.

Nancy also knows that Clare oversaw everything to do with finances, and personnel, and the management of Rainbow. When Jane Doe and later her mother were imprisoned in a home owned by Nancy and Clare, illegal alien Cami Fernandez was downstairs teaching Rainbow children and being paid off the books. There were other nannies being paid that didn’t have legitimate visas, and some were kicking back money to defraud the authorities.

Cami was head teacher. She had been Nancy’s maid and came into the country illegally, lived here illegally, and Nancy knew all about it. You must admit, it was peculiar: The head teacher of Rainbow was teaching in Nancy and Clare’s house – she – an illegal alien – running classes in their house – while her mother and sister were locked in rooms upstairs.  This is the demented world of Keith Raniere.

And Nancy can tell the truth about how old Cami really was when she first had sex with Keith.

There is another tie-in: We know Clare hacked her father’s email account. She sent an email to her father that had a picture of a bear etc..  What Nancy can add is that Jane Doe was tied into this.

Keith was trying to groom Jane Doe to be a hacker and he told Nancy and others the reason he confined her to a room was because she was a disobedient hacker. Keith told others her ethical breach, the reason she had to be locked in this room for 18 months, was she wouldn’t go through with the hacking he wanted her to do

What he did not tell – and what Nancy knows – was the real reason Keith imprisoned Jane Doe was because she would not have sex with only him. Jane Doe told Keith [the audacity of the woman] that if he could have sex with many other women, she reserved the right to have sex with other men – specifically Ben Meyers.

This was the same Jane Doe who worked with Clare to embed a picture of a bear, because Clare’s father’s nickname for her was “Clare bear” – with a keylogger – on Clare’s father’s computer.

It was the same Jane Doe whose job it was to read Edgar Bronfman’s emails then report the contents to Keith and Clare. She got imprisoned because she refused to be a fool for Raniere – as a harem member. She was willing to be with Keith – but not exclusively. Just as he was not monogamous – he could not expect her to be monogamous – and the monster went out of his mind.

He had her imprisoned.  Why Nancy is important is because she knows this and can corroborate Jane’s testimony. It is not just Keith and Clare denying and Jane asserting and the defense trying to trip Jane up and intimidate her. Yes, Jane’s mother knew about the imprisonment but she didn’t know about the hacking.  But there are at least four people who know all: Jane Doe, Keith, Clare and Nancy Salzman.

Nancy also knows that Kathy Russell was assigned to deliver Keith his cash. It often came from Nancy’s house so she knows.  Kathy – the pretty ballerina is not likely to flip – not when stardom is just around the corner. She wants to be true to her Vanguard. She want to perform on stage as a prima donna in a premier ballet company. Keith said she could do it. And he’s the smartest man in the world.

But Nancy knows all about Kathy Russell. [I do not see any ballet in Kathy’s near future. But of course she is only 60, she has lots of time.]

Nancy can also testify how and why Keith started sleeping with Clare Bronfman – and about his fears about losing her and her money in 2013.  Nancy can testify how and why Keith ordered Sara Bronfman to marry Basit Igtet – against her wishes.  And how he manipulated Emiliano into sleeping with Alex Betancourt and the reason why he persuaded Emi to turn gay.  And how Keith set up Sara with Lama Tenzin and ordered her to have sex with him and why. There is much Nancy knows and can tell about her Vanguard.

If she flips and saves herself and her daughter[s] and son-in-law, she can do a lot to redeem herself and save them and put the monster away forever.

Sure, she committed lots of crimes – as much as any but, as they say, “better late than never.”

Yet it’s awfully late for Nancy Salzman.

Stay tuned…

 

 





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  • That’s all they are in “defending” Nancy, the second in command of a cult for two decades. Please. Get over yourselves.

    You loved the money. You loved the exclusivity. You loved the narcissistic validation. You loved flying to islands that were rented out for your parties for booze and sex. You guys didn’t give two shits about what was right.

    A little research into VanFraud’s past would have told you what a fraud he was. You wanted to be duped by a narcissistic charlatan and you continued to hide your heads in the sand like damn ostriches you all were because you wanted all of the above.

    • “You loved the money. You loved the exclusivity. You loved the narcissistic validation. You loved flying to islands that were rented out for your parties for booze and sex. You guys didn’t give two shits about what was right.”

      Well said.

      How many trips to Necker Island was there? Also, John Tigue of Saratoga In Decline who exposed the Necker Island trip in February 2012 said booze and sex took place on the island. What did he (and you) mean by that? Were they having orgies or partner swapping or something?

  • Nancy was caught literally squatting on a huge pile of dirty money stuffed under her bed. Nearly every dirty deal NXIVM did was in her name. One of her own daughters was the top DOS slave master, the other guarded a woman caged for 18 months and etched portraits of branded women fucking with belly chains on. Nancy hypnotized, NLP’d and mind-fucked victims out of millions. And that’s not all. Cancer or no, it would be an act of mercy for the Feds to even consider dealing with Nancy Salzman at all guilty as she is!

  • Here’s a trivial piece of data to share with you all…

    A loving mom would never agree to name her child Gaelen BECAUSE as a result of that ridiculous sounding name, the child will probably wind up getting his ass kicked by the other kids in school.

    What kind of mom would promote that?

    Gaelen is worse than being named Lord Montague.

    There was a mother who actually named her daughter “Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii” on her birth certificate. It’s not a joke. The child finally got a family court judge to order her name to be changed due to the negative stigma attached.

    Another mom (a lifelong smoker) named her twins “Benson” and “Hedges”. These are shitty moms just like Kristin Keeffe is a shitty mom.

    Well, letting a sociopath impregnate her is already an indicator that she’s not the best mother in the world.

    Kristin, if you’re reading this blog — FUCK YOU and the horse you rode in on. I don’t forgive you like Twat Heidi has done. I wish you nothing but a horrible life. The only way to make amends is to testify for the prosecution. 🙂

    • Your pants are on fire.

      We all know you’re NOT an ex nex.
      Quit lying about it. You’re fabricating a story, Pinocchio, or Heidi, or Fake Sunshine on a cloudy day.

      Get stuffed🖕

  • Nancy has more to offer the government than everybody else combined.

    I can see why she’s probably holding out for total immunity for her daughters, or at least a token sentence of under 12 months at a minimum security work camp without bars.

    Prosecutors had better give Nancy whatever she wants and tie it up in a neat bow for her.

    Nobody else can deliver what Nancy can. Whatever evidence the government has already, Nancy can give them tons more. She ran practically everything for Keith. She’s like a goldmine.

    As for Nancy’s own involvement in those crimes, so fucking what. It doesn’t matter. Let her skate. Let her daughters skate.

    Is that a protest I’m hearing?

    Do I hear people screaming that Nancy needs to do time?

    Let’s not forget that Keith’s former associates like Toni, Bouchey, Keeffe (and even Twat Heidi) all stood by Keith in the early days when he was fucking over masses of human beings left and right.

    Consumers’ Buyline was shut down as an MLM scam, but guess what? Toni stayed with Keith even after it was shut down for being a scam. She didn’t leave until later. She’s not a saint. So stop hacking on Nancy.

    Bouchey is even worse than Toni. Bouchey is like baby Satan. She deserves the shitty & impoverished life she has now. She’s also ugly as shit, her looks are gone. She went from being very pretty to looking like stir fried shit. I’m guessing that’s god’s way of paying her back for her evil deeds.

    Kristin Keeffe is practically Satan herself, she’s scum of the earth and did horrible things to people. Just because she has a child doesn’t erase the fact that she’s a horrible human being. If there’s a god in heaven, he will shit all over Keeffe when she tries to knock on the pearly gates. No admittance for her. Go straight to hell, do not pass ‘go’, do not collect $200.

    Oh, but Heidi “loves” Keeffe and forgives her too, so I guess we must all just forget about the horrible shit she did to countless human beings.

    Heidi’s a selfish twat who should be asking for her own forgiveness —– rather than trying to give it to other scumbags.

    Nancy has more to offer than anybody. Nancy is also no worse than the other ladies who stood by Keith while he shit all over people, at least in my opinion.

    The government had better give Nancy whatever she wants and kiss her ass if need be. On Thursday I expect to hear that the government has struck a deal with Nancy. Lauren will skate. Nancy will skate. Just deal with it. 🙂

    • Fabian sunshine is pointing out something important here. The jury is not going to hate these people as those of you closest to the inner circle do. Everyone who once did evil, and now has been on the other side feels they have paid their price. Maybe some have I don’t know. I do know the jury will start with a fairly clear slate, to get the worst they will have to give up others. Those who have been out the longest and have lost their livelihoods through nefarious litigation , age , the loss of families of their own and see the cult for what it did to them and what it made them do. They seem to have forgiven each other possibly because they now see what deceptions were used on each other through the machinations of one person. Let’s hope whoever flips has the power to end this forever. And those left behind find a path to forgiveness.

      • What do you know about it?
        Considering we all can see what a passive aggressive liar you are. I would say bitch, too, but I’m pretty sure you’re even lying about that.

        • To snake, spider, rat and pig:

          The only other person I’ve seen who uses emojis like that in these comments sections is Pea Onyu.
          Are you Pea Onyu.
          Come one, Pea, come out of the closet.
          Or is that question too blunt for your sensitive soul?

          Now that things are heating up are you trying to add an extra layer of anonymity to your comments?

    • Sunshine my ass.
      You’re more full of rage than anything else.
      Chill, crazy.
      In my mind I imagine you ranting with the same angry expression as Kavanut did.
      😉

    • Your analysis is 100% correct.

      The government is looking at what Nacy can give them.
      Only Nancy can tie up most of the loose ends of NXIVM.
      With any luck Nancy can deliver Sara Bronfman and Emiliano Salinas to the Feds.
      And help the Feds flip Lauren to serve as a witness.
      No one else can do that.

    • Nancy is guilty as fuck. The government has enough on her to put her and everyone else who is guilty behind bars. The only reason they’d accept a plea deal is because it’s easier to accept one that do a long drawn out trial. But they aren’t going to let those shitheads pass go. No fucking way. They’re going to do time because they’re all scum.

    • Curious Karen has not been charged. She’s the only semblance of any real genius as I remember among them. Her and Gina Hutchinson. Psst, wanna make a bet Karen’s got her own lawyer and is deep, deep throating with the DOJ?

      • Good call.
        Combine Karen Unterreiner’s testimony with Nancy Salzman’s and the financial crimes of NXIVM will be uncovered.
        Sara Bronfman and Emiliano Salinas better start hiring lawyers.

  • @ Lili,

    The distinction between a “psychopath” and “sociopath” is simple: Psychopaths are born, Sociopaths are made.

    For instance, Clare Bronfman — granddaughter of notorious prohibition-era crime boss, Samuel Bronfman — may be said to come by her “psychopathy” honestly.

    With Emiliano Salinas — son of Mexico’s former first family of perdition — there’s some question as to whether the root of his evil is purely innate or whether his cut-throat societal environment shaped his psyche. In the latter case, and were he somehow not genetically affected, Emiliano would be strictly a sociopath.

    Both groups are “Narcissists.” Couldn’t give a fuck.

    Psychos are the most dangerous because they have no conscience or notion of consequence to anything or anyone but themselves. Look at ‘em cross-eyed, they’ll shoot you if they think they can get away with it. And, due to their extreme narcissism, they may be deluded enough to think they can. Or (shudder) God forbid they live in or rule a society wherein they can get away with murder.

    Socioipaths would probably need far more incentive to shoot you. They’d also probably want far greater reassurance they could get away with it. Say, lots of money, govt. protection, etc.

    Garden variety narcissists, like maybe Allison Mack, have a social conscience — an acute awareness of their social image at least. They may not feel pity or compassion for another but they do feel shame; a social emotion.

    Psychopaths, like Keith Raniere, can never be reformed. They most certainly should be separated from the sociopaths and narcissists they rule over if not all of society.

  • As you are well aware you have one life. And one death. Reincarnation is always a possibility but it’s not a given, YOU know this. For greed you got caught up with a monster. Your not the first or last or even the worst for doing such. It’s what you do now that will determine the afterlife. Maybe there isn’t one? Do you want to take that chance? Did you believe Keith when he told you you were a reincarnated NAZI? To me personally it was one of his worst crimes. The way he played you all is so despicable, as most Jews lost family during the war, regardless of where your parents and grandparents lived they lost even more than family. Keith is the ultimate con man. Frank is very good at showing the story, making it real for us. My perception of the Bronfman sisters in the early days was two young women feeling unworthy of all this money they had for doing nothing to gain it, he played on their guilt. But Clare was tight , I think even Keith had to play her carefully. The greedy bitch couldn’t even pay hourly workers their worth. As the 2nd Bronfman family , not exactly welcomed by their elder brothers and sister, but loved by their father it must have been confusing for these little girls, mommy was busy looking for her next sugar daddy, nannies just aren’t the same. Keith convinced these reincarnated Nazi’s (rich Jewish heiresses ) that they had an obligation to use their money to benefit the world( Raineres world). Nancy you had to have seen and used this too. Your heading toward the edge. I hope once you start talking you share all, it’s not to Kate to teach you children right from wrong. Set the example you didn’t while raising them. They are the only legacy you have to leave behind. What if they have children, what would you want to be remembered for? Part 1 of Nancy saves NXIVM Survivors.
    Ps you were never a NAZI

  • Nancy was warned many times by many people about the actions of VanFraud aka Keith Raniere.

    Nancy owned ESP/NXIVM which leased VanFrauds aka Keith Raniere so called technology for a percentage of the overall take in fleecing thousands out of their cash.

    Nancy allowed her Vanfraud to rule the roost since he was the head cock in the chicken house.

    Nancy allowed Vanfraud to own her daughter Lauren and maybe for a short time Michelle.

    Michelle had a boyfriend from college, Ken. They had an on and off relationship. When Michelle and Ken decided to rent an apartment together, Nancy was ordered by Vanfraud to break them up and convince Michelle of her Ethical Breech that living with Ken was. In the end Michelle ended up with a man Vanfraud controlled Ben Meyers.

    Nancy ordered her daughters to never speak with the dad Michael Salzman again after Michael refused to not fire an NXEX Nina who left with the NXIVM Nine.

    Its unknown if Lauren or Michelle have talked with their dad since NXIVM’S house of cards started to fall.

    Nancy was warned by her own mother that Vanfraud was a fraud and it was dangerous for Nancy to be working with him. Nancy’s mom was the strong woman in all of this. Her heart must be broken that her daughter Nancy and #1 granddaughter Lauren have been arrested.

    • Of course her mother warned her. Nancy warned HERSELF. Before she went into business with Keith, Nancy told DOZENS of people about how Keith was a psychopath and she wasn’t going to have anything to do with him. But Keith flipped Nancy. Fast forward 20 yrs and 3 months, and Nancy can finally make a good decision in regards to this monster. He is a monster, Nancy. We know having Lauren sucked into the whole situation – basically out of the gate – complicated your ability to make correct decisions. But now is the time.

      • If she thought he was a psychopath 20 years ago, why the hell would she continue to work with him?
        And the scenario you present is atypical, as usually a sociopath hides their true nature at first, until you are hooked. If they showed their true colors immediately, they would never get anyone to bite.

        How do you know she thought he was a psychopath 20 years ago? Who did she tell?

        • Nancy was an expert at NLP and Ericksonian Hypnosis when she met Keith. That’s why Keith wanted her to be his front woman/teacher/Prefect. Nancy was great at reading people. Nancy’s first instinct/read on him was to run. Her second instinct was the same. But Keith was able to eventually hide his true nature enough to get Nancy to bite. She soon was in WAY over her head.

          Who did she tell? This crazy madman/charming mouse/smartest man in the world was very much on Nancy’s mind and ruled her thoughts. She talked about him to everyone who was in her life at the time. I was one of many people she discussed this with. In fact, she had 100% decided never to talk to him again beacause he was a lunatic. Personally, I was shocked when she did a 180 and started praising him. Like when that friend of yours tells you all about the horrible things their boyfriend/girlfriend did to them and why they broke up – and then you’re shocked when they are back dating the next week.

          • Flowers, were you there at the time? Do you know people from back in the day and have been holding out on us? The only reason I answered your first question is because I thought others should know the information. Get over yourself.

          • How does your inability to tell the truth have any connection to your opinion that I need to to *quote*, “Get over myself”?
            Obviously you can’t answer the question, because you’re a fake and liar, and a pretty shitty one, too.
            And, As all abusive liars do, when you’re caught in your web of lies, you insult other people to try and distract from the fact you’re lying..

          • Flowers, unless you are trying to elicit additional information from me, you are not making this site better. Add me to the growing list of people you’ve called a liar.

            I typed that Nancy told ME this and MANY others. That’s a 100% fact. It wasn’t a secret then, but is an interesting side note that hasn’t gotten much run on FR. I posted it because I find it fascinating and wanted to share.

            You didn’t even know what an ESP or a NXIVM was until 2017. You are now doing two things. 1. Calling me (and many others in the past) a liar when you are clueless and know nothing other than what you read on FR. 2. Since “ME” isn’t a good enough answer to your inauthentic question, you are demanding to know my name.

            Amazing that you have been reading FR for so long but you still don’t get it. VIRTUALLY NOBODY WILL POST HERE IF THEY USE THEIR REAL NAMES.

      • I didn’t ask for your name ,iiar.
        I asked how you knew this information. Obviously anyone can pretend to be someone that they are not here, and there is a lot of evidence that show that’s exactly what someone is doing.

        A clue that you’re a liar is your quickness to insult me instead of answering the question.

        You need to get over yourself (whatever that is supposed to mean).

        • Maybe show some respect on this mb and people will show it back. Besides, aren’t you supposed to be posting your own corner?

          • Uh…no. ..I’m not .
            Maybe if you stopped lying and then attacking people when they ask for clarification of your obvious bs, then I would show you some respect.
            It’s a 2 way street.

    • Yep. Let her fry with the Vanfraud! …But I do have a feeling Frank’s on spot, as usual — Nancy will try to outrun the pack and cut a deal. She knows she’s sunk, otherwise. Rats will pile up to scurry off the ship and cut whatever deals are left, right behind Nancy pants. That ship’s Sinking fast, though. Can’t wait for the turpeodo to hit at Tom.’s hearing! (Wave to us on TV, Toni Natalie and Catherine Oxenberg or Frank if you’re there!)

  • “Here’s some more proof: In early 2011, at Susan Dones’ bankruptcy trial, Clare testified that NXIVM knew people were logging on their password-protected website – and that information from there would later appear on the Saratoga in Decline blog.”

    Who gave John Tigue the Necker Island pictures and information?

  • Keith may have Antisocial Personality Disorder:
    (From Mayo Clinic)
    “Antisocial personality disorder signs and symptoms may include:

    Disregard for right and wrong
    Persistent lying or deceit to exploit others
    Being callous, cynical and disrespectful of others
    Using charm or wit to manipulate others for personal gain or personal pleasure
    Arrogance, a sense of superiority and being extremely opinionated
    Recurring problems with the law, including criminal behavior
    Repeatedly violating the rights of others through intimidation and dishonesty
    Impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead
    Hostility, significant irritability, agitation, aggression or violence
    Lack of empathy for others and lack of remorse about harming others
    Unnecessary risk-taking or dangerous behavior with no regard for the safety of self or others
    Poor or abusive relationships
    Failure to consider the negative consequences of behavior or learn from them
    Being consistently irresponsible and repeatedly failing to fulfill work or financial obligations”

    I know this may be obvious to some, but I like to remind myself of the craziness.

    Keith also has delusions of grandeur and omnipotent thinking, which makes me wonder if he’s also genuinely delusional, as in not connected with reality.

    • NXIVM reminds me somewhat of the Leopold and Loeb murder case in Chicago in 1924.

      Leopold and Loeb were two wealthy University of Chicago students who were thrill seekers.
      They started out with petty crimes like burglary and theft and advanced to kidnapping and murder.

      They even received philosophical justification for their crimes by reading books like “Man and Superman” by Friedrich Nietsche.
      Leopold and Loeb were true narcissists.

      In the end Leopold and Loeb thought they were superior and they kidnapped and killed a 14 year old boy as part of a thrill.
      Their goal was to commit the perfect crime.

      In the end the police solved the kidnapping and murder in 48 hours.

      NXIVM started out with small crimes like fraudulent self-help programs but over time it advanced into money laundering and tax fraud.
      Now it is at the level of sex trafficking and slavery and some people believe that NXIVM was involved in child trafficking and murder.

      After each new level is reached the thrill seekers need an ever increasing dose of criminality to up the level of the thrill.
      Like a drug addict who needs an ever increasing amount of drugs to get his fix,.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_and_Loeb

      Unlike Raniere both Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb were genuinely intelligent.
      They just lacked a moral compass and self-control.

  • Buenos Di’as! …Who needs Nancy? Who needs ANY flippers?”

    As Duran Duran sang in “Rio”:

    “Her name is RICO and she dances on the sand,
    Just like that river twisting through NXIVM land,
    And when she shines she really shows you all she can,
    Oh, RICO, RICO dance across NXIVM land…”

    https://youtu.be/e3W6yf6c-FA

    • Heidi, unlike others I don’t know your story so this hatred directed towards you is confusing to me. Were you in Nxivm? I know I could look it up and probably will but nothing changes the fact that Gina was 15 raped by Rainere and no one is disputing this. Today he would be charged as a 15 year old does not have the legal capacity to make this choice. Why was he not charged at the time?

      • I wasn’t in “NXIVM,” no. My sister, Gina, was involved with many of Keith’s venture’s over the years and the development of “ESP” / NXIVM. Kristin Keeffe was one of her best friends. I was actually more of a detractor, especially after I learned in 1999-2000 that Gina had bugged my and my ex-husband’s computer at home for Keith, in some strange effort to allegedly “help” me leave my husband and join ESP. Gina excelled at computers. Keith initially wanted my ex and I to make a movie about him and wanted me to introduce him to CIA and Secret Service officials (we made movies about those agencies) so he could advise them on world affairs. I politely declined but that didn’t stop Keith or Gina from helping themselves to our database.

        Keith and his IP department — headed by Steve Ose, Eric Rudd and Karen Unterreiner when Gina was around — with shady consultants like Juval Aviv — are experts at cyber-stalking and tech harassment. They’ve been at it since the mid-Nineties. They could show the Russians a trick or two. They’ve been back at me in recent years, after I contributed to the Albany TU 2012 Expose’ and other efforts to expose them. Keith thought I was “harboring” Kristin Keefe when she left in 2014 along with some other perceived “enemies” since. In some cases, he was right.

        I’m not at all surprised to come under some attack when I use my real identity in this forum. “Sticks and stones…”

        Thanks for your concern.

        • Holy fuck!
          Heidi is getting .more and more ridiculous with each stupid comment she makes.
          CIA!?

          Get stuffed, you lying, nutty whore. They were right, you really are a drama-whore.

        • Hi Heidi
          Could you please tell us the names of the movies you and your ex made about the CIA and the Secret Service?
          What year were these films made and where can we view them?
          Thanks!

          • ‘where can WE view them’ ? So you ARE a committee of trolls!!! Or is that the royal ‘We’?

            If you’re trying to make out this entire forum colludes with your nonsense request for TRUTH on the only site providing such a thing about nxivm, you would be wrong.

            Creating fake news as a hobby? How sad and pointless, especially as you have no aptitude for it. nxivm is over, dead. The truth came out, – thanks to Frank and all the Ex-nx’s, including the one you are running your gums over right now, – and killed it.

          • Excuse me?
            I asked a simple question to the person who posted under the name Heidi. I dont think you’re that same person, so I’m not sure why you’re answering me so rudely.

            How is my request a nonsense request and how does it make me a troll?

            The use of the term “we” simply meant people reading this forum who may be interested in viewing the films.

            I’m creating fake news as a hobby? Thats a strange comment. I’m not creating fake news, but I do have future plans to write about it. I’m just gathering information at this point.

          • So sorry, I must have misunderstood this – ‘In this blog. I will be posting fake news as a hobby i guess.’

          • Onewoman
            I meant that I would posting information about news stories that I believe are fake.
            I opened that account a few years ago, while I was still in highschool, and I didn’t word it properly. But why in the world would someone invent fake news and then post it and declare it to be fake? Does that make any sense at all?

          • Sure. 1994, “In the Line of Fire,” starring Clint Eastwood and John Malkovich. Secret Service themed movie. One of the top 100 highest grossing films of all time.

            “The Recruit,” our CIA themed flick, was first released in 2001. Starred Al Pacino.

            We also have an “Interpol” and FBI themed movies in the works.

            Keith may make it to the silver screen yet.

            Sorry didn’t respond right away. Haven’t been on this thread.

  • Keith “flipped” the day he declared himself a renunciate and left his name off the money records.

    Too bad he couldn’t resist searing his initials into the flesh of his human property.

  • Here’s another issue that Nancy and her daughter Lauren could shed some light on.

    When Raniere was in Puerto Vallarta he was attended by Lauren, Allison, Nicki and Loretta Garza.
    All DOS slaves.
    All part of Allison Mack’s bad ass warrior b—-es

    The rumor is that these women were in Puerto Vallarta to lure NXIVM defectors and Raniere’s enemies down to Mexico with the intention of imprisoning them where they would disappear perhaps never to be seen again.
    Of course Raniere, Clare and Emiliano were part of this conspiracy.
    Conspiracy to kidnaap American citizens anywhere in the world could be seen as a Federal crime.

    Is this rumor correct in whole or in part?
    If Emiliano was part of a plot to kidnap Americans, the DOJ could indict him and Bill Clinton would not dare interfere.

    Another point.
    Apparently NXIVM had plans to interfere in the politics of Mexico and Libya even installing puppet governments in those countries.
    Both Mexico and Libya contain massive deposits of oil.
    It is a crime for private American citizens to plot the overthrow of a foreign government with which America is at peace.
    It’s a violation of the Neutrality Act, a law dating back to the 1700s.
    America is at peace with Mexico and Libya.

    Perhaps Nancy Salzman can shed some light on this issue.

  • “Oh what a web we weave when first we practice to deceive.”

    Just think of the money skimmed by Cruella Bronfman from the meager pay of Mexican girls illegally imported to do house work for NXIVM’s elite.
    Almost every top figure in NXIVM exploited those girls.

    Every NXIVM front company was a fraudulent scheme.

    • Your just as FAKE and attention grabbing as HEIFI 😂🤣
      Excuse my cynicism but are you even who you say you are?!!! -Frank? Scott?💐😂🤣

      • You’re not excused since you’re not even the same person who wrote under this name originally.
        What sort of petty person would use a name another person has used just to cause confusion?

        • Just trying to help you put all these pretty nxivm wh***s in there place, right? How dare anyone have a more authentic connection with this issue than you? All the shit you’ve been through with right wing TWATS harassing you online, people dont know how hard its been for you, they should pay more attention to your shit!! especially cos you know everything and yet no-one listens!!!

          • I’m sorry, but what the fuck are you even talking about?
            Could you explain, or are we supposed to guess?

          • All of the above….
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            .
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            And much

            .
            much
            .
            .
            ..
            worse.

            Don’t like it when someone messes with you?
            Awwwwww

            Go fuck yourself.
            Twat.

          • This passive aggressive post from Sunshine” sounds like its being directed at me. What is your problem?…I never even addressed you at all before . I know everything about WHAT? I’ve never said I knew anything about NXIVM, I was never involved with them.
            Quit being such a cowardly troll, and address me directly with your accusations, instead of hiding behind various names.

          • Look who is being consistant, it’s the “cranky old amway dude’. Lol.

            Scott, I realize she didn’t mention my name , but her comment seems to be about me,( I’m assuming it is) because those remarks were the same claims these morons keep making about me.

            This is why I called her passive aggressive, as now they are too cowardly to even address who they are insulting.

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