Why was Allison Mack guilty if she was deceived and brainwashed?
How many knew what was happening and how many were hoodwinked? Sarah Edmondson wrote about blindfolds in her book, Scarred.
Allison’s first meeting with Keith Raniere was November 14, 2006.
Keith was playing volleyball at ABC Sports and Fitness in the late evening with his acolytes.
Sarah Edmondson and Kristin Kreuk first recruited her. Sara Bronfman and Nancy Salzman came to Vancouver to land the big fish Allison Mack – another successful beautiful actress – with perhaps a million fans – star of a hit TV show. They all told her about the glorious one – Keith Alan Raniere, the smartest and most ethical man in the universe. Bar none.
Sara Bronfman, with her bags of cash always ready to waste on the comely and ultimately unlucky young woman, flew the lucky young lady in to meet his highness in a private plane.
Allison enters with Loreta Garza and when the imperial one took a break from his brilliant playing on court, Raniere and her sat on a bench off to the side.
They were not alone. There were a group of Raniere devotees surrounding them.
One of the devotees filmed every precious moment of the glory-filled event. Loreta and Megan sat on the bench near Mack.
Mark Vicente also sat on the bench. The late Jim Del Negro sat on the floor.
Those who watched Raniere stare at him like a captivated audience, listening to each word their sage says.
Keith knew how to read and use body language.
He developed that skill much as he did the techniques of “Neurolinguistic Programming.”
He was a predator. Allison was prey.
Edmondson describes “The Lift” in her book: develop rapport, find out why new recruits are there (what they wanted most to change about themselves) and use that.
Recruiters were to get new recruits to agree that they couldn’t accomplish their goals on their own.
Recruiters were to “turn ‘if’ into ‘how.’” Sarah wrote, “Espians and NXIVM followers weren’t learning as much as they were being “indoctrinated, deceived and brainwashed.”
RANIERE (to Allison): Is art important to you?
MACK: Yes.
RANIERE (quickly): Why?
MACK: Why is art important to me? Because it’s … um … Because I think it’s — Hhmmm. Because so much of who I am is wrapped up in art.
Allison had been looking at Raniere while leaning her head against the wall.
Raniere mirrors Allison, leaning his head against the wall.
RANIERE: Give me an example. I guess I’m not —
MACK: When I go to see a film or a piece of artwork or — something happens to me that is so exciting and wonderful. Blissful. Joyful.
RANIERE: Yeah. We can practice generating an extreme feeling of joy over anything.
MACK: Mmhmm.
RANIERE: There are methods that we have, especially in 2C.
MACK: What is 2C?
RANIERE: It’s, ah — (waves his hand nonchalantly) one of our intensives. It’s — (looking at Del Negro, sitting on the floor) What’s it called, now? Civilizations?
Del Negro: Civilizations and humanity.
RANIERE: Civilizations.
As a note to those who know not of the mysteries, in order to take 2c – an eight day intensive – a student must first take two five-day intensives [2 x $2,160] and a 16-day intensive [$6,000]. The cost of the 2c is $6500. So by the time one entered the doors for 2c, which was only taught in Albany, they had more than $16,000 invested and by the time one left, they got to offer tribute to Raniere at the end of each class day – a required chanting by the whole class formed in a circle where they bow and say “Thank you Vanguard” 34 times in 34 days.
For context, Allison had only taken a Jness weekend before jetting to Albany. It was rare for anyone to meet the glory one before at least taking a 5-day intensive.
At some point in that first meeting, Allison looks defensive. She covers her mouth with the tips of her curled fingers, palm facing inward.
Did Raniere research her weaknesses before he met her to target her vulnerabilities for that conversation?
Keith casually looks up at the ceiling and slows his speech, inviting Allison to imagine with him whatever hypothetical he’s going to describe.
RANIERE (looking up toward the ceiling): What if artistic endeavors were really bogus? What if —
MACK (sleepily): Hhmmm.
Allison smiles a little, following his train of thought. She seems content to be part of the select few to consider such profound possibilities. Two seconds later, it looks like her brain registers Keith’s use of “artistic endeavors” and “bogus” in the same sentence.
Her eyebrows draw closer together. She closes her eyes, still covering her mouth. She seems to brace for whatever’s next.
RANIERE: What if art was just an excuse for those who (turning his head quickly to look directly at Allison Mack) couldn’t do?
Allison raises her eyebrows, her eyes open wide for a second. She relaxes her face, back to the dreamier mode to deliver her next line.
MACK: And it is sometimes.
She blinks her eyes quickly a few times, smiles a quick friendly smile. She knew she was being filmed. She knew how much that conversation could threaten her entire career. As she said: so much of who she was was “wrapped up in art.”
Keith knew a young woman in Hollywood would feel inadequate, no matter how accomplished she was. Why was Allison so thrown? Did the New York prosecutors consider the brainwashing, the deceit, and the manipulation when considering the charges?
A few minutes later. Allison faces Raniere, leaning her head against the wall. She’s not covering her mouth anymore. Looking slightly hesitant, she seems willing to believe whatever he says.
Was Allison deceived, or was she a willing participant in her career’s demise? And, what about Pam?
RANIERE: The most excitement that you’ve ever felt is yours to have all the time. Independent of art.
[He is setting her up even then to quit her acting career.]
MACK (nodding): Hhm—hmm.
RANIERE: The bad news is you sort of have to divorce yourself from the thought that it comes from the art.
MACK (nods in submission)
RANIERE: If you feel that art is necessary for that, that’s almost a self-condemnation.
Allison nods. She lowers her head and hides her face. She begins to cry. How old was she there? She was 23 years old.
RANIERE: Why is this emotional for you?
MACK (crying, waves at person filming): Hi.
RANIERE: It’s okay. She comes in close.
MACK (laughing, wiping her tears): I know, right? I should be used to this. It’s what I do for a living… (answering Raniere’s question): Hhmmm. Because it’s pointing at something I’ve never thought about. And part of me is kind of freaked out about accepting this. I’m used to that self-condemnation. (laughs, reassures Keith) I’m comfortable with that.
A few minutes later. Allison gathers her thoughts. She explains what she thinks just happened. She had no idea what just happened.
MACK: If I let go of that belief, that it’s not the art that’s giving me this feeling — it’s me that’s giving me this feeling — then I have to trust that I will be capable of giving myself that feeling. And I don’t necessarily trust that right now.
Raniere nods compassionately. He leans his head toward the wall, looking at Allison with caring eyes as though she’s all that matters at that moment.
MACK (hyperventilating): And so that’s scary, because I want that feeling.
Scientologists had lists of Hollywood celebrities to recruit into their ranks. The Dalai Lama wrote the foreword for Raniere’s book.
Tom O’Neill wrote a magazine article about the Dalai Lama, Hollywood and influence.
I hope Allison can read Sarah’s book. Writing about recruiting new people to join the group, Sarah wrote, “To me, building trust with someone new was everything. To our founders, building trust was just a ploy. In fact, the entire company was just leveraging trust.”
What was ESP/NXIVM, exactly – and how many purposes did it serve?
Wikipedia: “Ervil LeBaron’s attention was also focused on rival polygamous leaders. In April 1975, he ordered the killing of Bob Simons, a polygamist who sought to minister to Native Americans. In 1977, LeBaron ordered the killing of Rulon C. Allred, leader of the Apostolic United Brethren, another Mormon fundamentalist sect. Ervil LeBaron’s 13th wife, Rena Chynoweth, carried out the murder with Ervil’s stepdaughter, Ramona Marston. Although Chynoweth was tried and acquitted for Allred’s murder, she confessed in her memoir, The Blood Covenant (1990). She also described her experiences in LeBaron’s group, which she characterized as using mind control and fear to control its followers.”
“… She claims “Ervil had nothing to do with the JFK murder.” What did she really know about this? She wasn’t around Ervil or the cult in 1963. I was. …” ~ Stephany Spencer-LeBaron
“… Stephany Spencer-LeBaron is a retired teacher on her endless summer, a “creative” and poet. Born in Chihuahua, Mexico of American parents, she spent most of her life in the Western U.S., married young and was widowed at twenty-one. …” https://stephanyspencer.com/2022/03/03/my-book-review-of-rena-chynoweths-the-blood-covenant/
“Weisberg, an Office of Strategic Services officer during World War II, U.S. Senate staff member and investigative reporter, devoted 40 years of his life to researching and writing about the Kennedy and King assassinations. His first book, Whitewash: The Report on the Warren Report (1965), was the first critical study of the government’s official version of what happened in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Seven of the eight books Weisberg published after Whitewash were about the Kennedy assassination. Over time, Weisberg became recognized, both nationally and internationally, as the dean of writers critical of the official version of the JFK assassination known as the Warren Commission Report. Harold Weisberg donated the world’s largest accessible private collection of government documents and public records relating to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy to Hood College and the Beneficial-Hodson Library at Hood College, which donated a copy to the National Security Internet Archive.“
https://archive.org/details/nsia-LeBaronErvil/nsia-LeBaronErvil/LeBaron%20Ervil%2001/
That’s just a very small sample of materials. The most useful information is usually hidden from the public so it’s probably still classified if it’s there.
Is Dr. Len Horowitz somehow connecting dots from The Carnegie Foundation’s globalism to the Mormons?
https://rumble.com/v2r33hj-spiritual-warfare-unmasked-dr.-len-horowitz.html
Wikipedia: “In 1972, the brothers split over leadership of the Church of the Firstborn of the Fulness of Times, and Ervil started the Church of the First Born of the Lamb of God in San Diego, California. That year, Ervil ordered the murder of Joel in Mexico. Leadership of the Baja California church passed to the youngest LeBaron brother, Verlan, whom Ervil tried to have killed over the next decade. In 1974, Ervil was tried and convicted in Mexico for Joel’s murder. His conviction was overturned on a technicality; some have alleged this was as a result of a bribe. Ervil’s followers subsequently raided Los Molinos in an effort to kill Verlan— who was in Nicaragua—but the town was destroyed and two men were killed. …”
https://youtu.be/DVLhANv7awI?t=178
Why does Bertel Thorvaldsen’s “Christus statue” have a cleft beard?
“Soon after joining Freemasonry, Smith introduced the temple endowment ceremony including a number of symbolic elements that were very similar to those in Freemasonry.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Freemasonry
“A video captured in the state of Tamaulipas in Mexico revealed a militant associated with the infamous Gulf Cartel (Cartel Del Golfo, CDG) donning their insignia while carrying a US-manufactured anti-tank missile launcher that were recently given to Ukraine.
The weapon, identified by Milenio TV as a Raytheon-made FGM-148, is believed to be a Javelin missile launcher, which has been supplied to Ukraine by the Pentagon in large quantities.
The footage, filmed in Matamoros and broadcasted by Milenio TV on Tuesday, displayed the individual adorned with CDG patches, armed with a Kalashnikov rifle, and carrying the aforementioned missile launcher.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamaulipas
Brain washing is an archaic and derisory term.
To wash something sort of means to improve or clean it.
Mind fucking is a better term.
Or hypnotism.
But with Alison Mack, participation is closer to the truth.
Yes he starved her. Yes he confused her. Yes he build a border between her heart and her intuition. I’m not convinced they aren’t in contact, in fact I’m certain they are. “His life is in her hands”, I’m certain he is still telling her this. He is definitely in contact with Claire Bronfman, 100%. With cash she has access to, she could email the Pope. He is the most important person Claire has ever met.
He starved her?
I think it’s priceless that these idiots actually put themselves on a celery and rice cake diet because some fat greasy asshole man told them to. How stupid can you get?
They all went around gaunt and hungry looking like bobble head dolls on his say-so while he stuffed his face with oily takeout pizza. Real smart, girls. Way to show how kickass grrrl power you are. Doing every stupid thing some lazy fat ass limp dick man tells you.
Real bright, those girls…
Allison and Claire both met The Vanguard when they were 23-years-old.
Where were their parents and where was the DOJ?
“… The prosecution claimed that Bandler killed Christensen, but he testified that James Marino, an admitted former cocaine dealer and the prosecution’s main witness, shot her to death with Bandler’s .357-caliber Magnum while both were at the woman’s home in November, 1986. ..
Bandler and Marino presented conflicting testimony at the trial. Marino claimed that Bandler was angry at Christensen because she was having a lesbian affair with Bandler’s live-in girlfriend, and because she owed him money. Bandler claimed that Marino was convinced that Christensen arranged to have him beaten and was trying to have him killed.
There are hundreds of NLP “trainers” now giving seminars throughout the country. Bandler’s work also attracted the attention of the U.S. Army and the CIA.”
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-01-29-mn-26470-story.html
Richard Bandler and Richard Gardner walking down the street
would smile and wave at Nancy and Keith if ever the four could meet.
They’d build a small town just for themselves, asking the special and wealthy to stay.
If that would have happened, all who would care wouldn’t work at the DOJ.
Sorry hairy men out there but Keith was so gross with all that body hair. For his victims to be forced to touch that thing makes me want to vomit.
How do you think his sex-slaves like Pimp Mack and Squeaky feel? They had to fuck him!!!
Yet she couldn’t wait to have him ‘pop her cherry’. Go figure.
Look at the way he’s dressed too. Christ what a dweeb. Mack must’ve been truly desperate to get laid.
An alarm clock for Allison if she isn’t awake yet: ⏰
This is like the Kenyan version of NXIVM. Not really. But I believed this could have happened with NXIVM if Vanturd dyd not get arrested when he did:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/children-forced-starve-hot-sun-part-doomsday-cult-mass-suicide-reports
Did someone at YouTube design algorithms to promote those deadly cults? What kind of ads did YouTube place on the content? How much money did YouTube pay the cult leaders in advertising dollars?
800 acres is a lot of land.
“A wealthy televangelist who has amassed a huge following – one of his churches south of Malindi can seat 40,000 people and his YouTube channel has half a million subscribers – Odero has described himself as ‘God’s chosen one’. …”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/27/second-kenyan-pastor-accused-of-mass-killing-of-followers
Brainwashing would make a great excuse and absolve Mack of responsibility for all the rotten and criminal things she did. Problem is, there’s no such thing as brainwashing. “Brainwashing” was invented by journalist Edward Hunter for an article he wrote in the Miami Daily News in September 1950. The idea took root in the Red Scare era of the Korean War (how else to explain the spread of Communism?) and through popular fiction like The Manchurian Candidate (the book and the movie). J.Edgar Hoover believed in it.
For the origins and history of brainwashing see: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/true-story-brainwashing-and-how-it-shaped-america-180963400/
“Beginning in the early 1950s, the CIA and the Defense Department conducted secret research for twenty years, attempting to develop practical brainwashing techniques. The research was a complete failure”
https://www.cesnur.org/2003/brain_conv.htm
“The key issue relative to the scientific standing of brainwashing theory is whether the transformation of self and commitment (whether to a new or to a pre-existing worldview) has been coercively imposed in a way that contradicts the free will of the individual, and whether that claim of coercive influence has been confirmed or disconfirmed by scientific research… That core brainwashing theory has been conclusively disconfirmed”
So much for brainwashing. As for NLP, it’s pseudoscience. It does not work. People can’t be “programmed”, they can’t be mind-whammied. They can of course be convinced, pressured, coerced. That’s what Raniere was doing. He was using high pressure sales tactics, and he was good at it.
But that’s all it was. Sales tactics. He was no Svengali. He had no special diabolical power to erase free will.
High pressure sales tactics really only work on certain people. Gamblers call them “marks”. Mack was a mark (ha! That alliterates!)
Mack and Raniere had a fucked up relationship. They were both getting exactly what they wanted. He liked bossing people around and being top dog, and she wanted to be told what to do and what to think. She thought she was stupid and she was right. Judging by her actions, Mack seems to be a weak willed person with a vicious streak that Nxivm / DOS liberated.
I’m sorry, is that too harsh? It’s a conclusion based on factual evidence that came out at Raniere’s trial and victim testimony at Mack’s sentencing. Her wanton cruelty to her slaves and to her employee Tabitha Chapman, when Raniere was nowhere around.
And that’s the other thing. At any point during her years – years! – with Raniere, she could’ve hopped in her BMW and gone home to California. She wasn’t forced to stay in Knox Woods.
She wasn’t forced to abuse Tabby Chapman. She wasn’t forced to actually make those 2 am alerts to her slaves, it could’ve been “let’s not and say we did”.
She didn’t have to be so mean.
She wasn’t forced to starve herself. He didn’t have her locked in a room.
She could have said “no”. To any of it or all of it. Other people did. All it would have required was an ethical sensibility and a bit of backbone. Evidently she lacked either.
Oh, but it would’ve cost her? Raniere had those embarrassing photos, that compromising “collateral”. So instead, she fucked over all those people to save her own ass? Real noble. That’s not what I call “having a good heart”. I have no respect for people who let themselves be kicked around. I have even less respect for people who kick other people around when told to do so.
Which Mack did. Eagerly and with considerable relish.
Allison Mack and Keith Raniere have a great deal in common. That’s probably why they hit it off so well, right from the start. They both are in prison and it’s where they belong.
The Dalai Lama and Shoko Asahara
https://youtu.be/bwN0YqwYveI
Dalai Lama has a history of endorsing cults. And he tried to sexually assault a child a few months ago. He wrote the foreward for one of Vanturd’s shitty books that no one in outside NXIVM bought.
Open Buddhism
Knave or Fool? The Dalai Lama and Shōkō Asahara Affair Revisited
https://openbuddhism.org/knave-or-fool-the-dalai-lama-and-shoko-asahara-affair-revisited/
“The consequences of his stubborn endorsement of a notorious guru who turned out to be murderous, didn’t chasten the Dalai Lama. He conducted himself in the same way with Sogyal Rinpoché in the 1990s, for instance, and Keith Raniere in the 2000s.”
“Shōkō Asahara (1955-2018), born Chizuo Matsumoto, was the founder and leader of Aum Shinrikyō or ‘Om Supreme Truth,’ a Japanese doomsday cult group. At the height of its powers, Aum claimed to have some 10,000 Japanese members, 1,100 of whom lived in communes. Asahara was convicted of masterminding a sarin-gas attack in the underground of Tokyo in 1995 as well as various other crimes. Aum’s large-scale assault with nerve gas, not its first attempt, killed thirteen people and wounded nearly 6,000. Asahara’s death sentence was carried out on July 6, 2018. Several other Aum-members were executed as well.”
“… mentally take upon yourself all the suffering of poverty, starvation, and the feeling of deprivation … when engaging in this practice, it is sometimes helpful to begin by first imagining your own future suffering … it is useful to visualize these sufferings, problems, and difficulties in the form of poisonous substances, dangerous weapons, or terrifying animals — things the very sight of which normally makes you shudder. So visualize the suffering in these forms, and then absorb them directly into your own heart. …”
— the 14th Dalai Lama, one of the two most popular world leaders by 2013 (tied with Barack Obama), according to a poll conducted by Harris Interactive of New York, which sampled public opinion in the US and six major European countries.
NXIVM’s practices and mission statements indicate Raniere and his group were to conquer the world for some larger internationally-oriented group somewhere. Porter’s “fright studies” were to discover which qualities? Exponential numbers of blackmailed slaves were trained to be “READY!” at a moment’s notice for what purpose, exactly?
Did anyone ever witness any discussions of the registering the group as a religion?
“Most Coveted Aim
The two commendation letters helped Aum Shinrikyō conclude its vain attempts at achieving a most coveted aim: In August 1989, the Tokyo Metropolitan Government finally registered Aum as a religious body. It thereby granted Aum a tax-exempt status: ‘With the help of the letters of recommendation from His Holiness the Dalai Lama, who is also highly respected in Japan, the coup was achieved in just nine weeks. The result: Shōkō Asahara no longer needed to pay taxes and was able to invest the accumulated funds in poison gas production unhindered.”
Thank you for posting that article, 11:31.
Do you know of anything about Soka Gakkai International?
“… Buddhism, in particular the Buddhism of Soka Gakkai International, is a sort of Eastern version of conciliar ecumenical thought, and it is not surprising that its president, Daisaku Ikeda, collaborated with Aurelio Peccei and the Club di Roma precisely in giving the movement a religious imprint that predisposed its adherents to Masonic and globalist principles, steeped in ecological pantheism and pacifism, which today the Bergoglian church has adopted as its own … All of the principles professed by Soka Gakkai coincide with the principles of globalism and the New World Order, borrowing heavily from the same lexicon … It is also interesting to note that Soka Gakkai represents a “heresy” of traditional Buddhism, in the exact same way that the conciliar religion is heretical with respect to Roman Catholicism or Zionism is with respect to Orthodox Judaism. When the project of the Universal Religion becomes a reality, the faithful of the religions that do not accept the Masonic and globalist vision will be excluded. But already now we see a true skimming off the top, so to speak, between progressives and fundamentalists …”
https://insidethevatican.com/vigano-tapes/the-vigano-tapes/
“Presumably, again, the aide reported the exchange to the Dalai Lama or his staff. If so, his report did not persuade the Dalai Lama and his entourage that he should stop seeing Asahara, for their meetings continued unabated.
In point of fact, Shōkō Asahara, together with his wife Tomoko and some 20 devotees, visited India seven times between February 1987 and July 1992. He met with the Dalai Lama on at least five or six occasions, most of which were photographed and filmed.” (“Knave or Fool” article)
Wikipedia: “It gained official status as a religious organization in 1989 and attracted a considerable number of graduates from Japan’s elite universities, thus being dubbed a ‘religion for the elite’.
Initiation rituals, assert the authors of the book, often involved the use of hallucinogens, such as LSD. Religious practices often involved extremely ascetic practices claimed to be “yoga”. These included everything from renunciants being hung upside down to being given shock therapy.
In the early days, Aum was able to recruit a variety of people ranging from bureaucrats to personnel from the Japanese Self-Defense Forces and the Tokyo Metropolitan Police.“
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo
Will any of these people take any responsibility for their actions? All everyone does is blame others (yes, including Sarah E, Mark and Nippy).. These are all adults. Were they manipulated? Yes. But there has to be some sense of self awareness of what was going on? Especially being in it for so long),. These are all grown people. Not kids. Instead of these ridiculous law suits, everyone should just come forward and say “was I manipulated? Yes. But I realize now I should have known better.” And move on with their lives.
Al, I agree almost 100%. At the same time, I would love nothing more than you see the Bronfman demons lose their fortune.
But
Cami was a minor when she was manipulated. I do believe anyone in an at-risk category should have standing and reason to sue. But that only a tiny handful of people. Sarah Edmunson is not a victim; she has no reason to sue. Also, some of the people part of the “Fright Experiments” may have reason to sue as well. That was a pretty horrible thing that Brandon Porter Potty did.
There are plenty of people associated with this group who have been punished. They don’t need to take any further responsibility outside of what has been ordered by the courts.
She’s never pointed a finger at anyone of the same rank or lower. Only one person, who was the head of the company.
Compare and contrast that with the people suing her.
Unrelated to this article, but did Cami sleep with jim Del Negro? Seems pretty grimy if she did, considering she had an affair with Robbie (his son). Did she cheat on Keith with both of them?
NXIVM truly was a sex-cult.
Where did you get this idea from?
First I heard of it.
“Somewhere along the line, Cami slipped up again. After her affair with Robbie, she had an encounter with Robbie’s stepfather, Jim Del Negro, a longtime Nxivm follower. Jim lives with Robbie’s mother, Nxivm leader [green sash] Esther Chiappone Carlson. What Cami and Jim did together and where it happened is unclear. Keith required her to write Jim an email suggesting she felt forced or pressured, despite the fact that their brief liaison was apparently mutually consensual.”
https://frankreport.com/2019/07/02/part-4-keith-and-cami-texts-finding-a-virgin-and-slaves-for-threesomes/
Pilgrim is right: Jim and Cami had a sexual encounter: he apparently touched her breasts. Proof is In the texts between Keith and Cami:
(Excerpt from the texts published in a previous FR entry):
Comment between brackets is by Frank Parlato:
“[Here is the letter Cami sends to Keith to approve to send to Jim regarding sexual contact that the two of them had. Keith provides edits. It is unclear when, or if, she ever sent the email to Jim.]
Hi Jim.
I was uncomfortable with some of the interactions during the intensive and the vibe that I’m getting from you. I just want to clarify a few things. I left a lot of things unsaid that should have been said. I should have written this long ago but seeing you in the training made me realize how I clearly feel about you and what I did. I will no longer let it go unsaid. Last year there were many times I failed to do what was right with you. I made many bad decisions and I let my fears and my insecurities cloud my judgment. I feel bad that I let it go as far as it did and I didn’t stop it much sooner. I feel embarrassed now every time I look at you because I felt forced to let you touch me… I felt forced to take off the bra so you wouldn’t hurt yourself. I took off the bra because I felt I had no choice, not because I actually wanted you to touch me. Every moment felt like an out-of-body moment, car crash, disaster and I couldn’t stop. Being liked was a big factor in my decisions and I just don’t — when I took it all the way to that moment. I liked that you liked me. It felt good, but I did not want to be sexual with you. I hope from now we can be cordial if we do cross paths but I will choose to refrain from interacting with you unless absolutely needed.”
Nxivm was a political project. Not a “sex cult”.
“The most disturbing part of the docuseries is the story of Camila, Daniela and Marianna, three sisters from Monterrey, Mexico, who joined NXIVM as teenagers. After the girls’ parents fell under Raniere’s spell, he convinced them to ship Daniela and Marianna to Albany, New York, and have them study under him. Daniela, the younger sister—who was only 16 at the time—says the family lived an “idyllic” upper-middle-class life in Mexico and was even jokingly compared to the Flanders in The Simpsons. A gifted student, she’d first taken a NXIVM class in Monterrey in 2002, during her second semester of high school, and had received a scholarship to an “elite school” in Switzerland. As a “parting gift” prior to boarding school, her parents signed her up for a 16-day intensive at NXIVM, then known as Executive Success Programs (ESP). Raniere allegedly convinced Daniela to abandon her school plans and stay at NXIVM in order to help prevent an undescribed apocalyptic event that he said would happen in the next 10-15 years.”
“Raniere convinced Daniela to recruit her younger sister, Camila, into NXIVM. He gave her the nickname VC, standing for “Virgin Camila.” Daniela testified that in 2006, she learned Raniere was having sex with Camila. She was 16.
“… I was also kind of jealous. He made me wait until after my 18th birthday, and he’s having sex with my sister now,’ Daniela testified. ‘It’s all kind of messed up that I felt that way, and I deeply regret that I didn’t—at that moment—get my sister out of there. But that’s how it happened.’ …”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-vow-part-iis-most-disturbing-nxivm-revelation-the-three-mexican-teens-abused-by-keith-raniere
“He was introduced to Executive Success Programs at a one-day seminar hosted by the Saratoga Springs, NY Chamber of Commerce in 2002.“
https://frankreport.com/2021/08/31/jim-del-negro-longtime-nxivm-teacher-passes-away-in-mexico/
Chambers of Commerce don’t necessarily vet their members. Pay the annual membership dues and you’re in. And Chambers of Commerce don’t update their membership rosters very often, either:
https://chamber.saratoga.org/list/member/executive-success-programs-4115
Some kind of duty of care for the business community—- if not also for the general community— should guide their standard operating procedures for all functions they allow/sponsor.
Capital Region Chamber mission statement: “Our Mission: To be a unifying force for progress, leading opportunities for businesses to succeed, and for people and our communities to prosper.”
Compare that to the Greater New York Chamber mission statement: “The mission of the Chamber is to improve the business climate and quality of living in the New York Metropolitan Area for businesses, workers, residents, and visitors. It provides valuable services to individuals, start-ups, entrepreneurs, small businesses, and civic leaders who represent the backbone of the Greater New York business community.”
Better feds in the city too, maybe.
The Albany Chamber guys who wrote the mission statement forgot the “quality of living for all” part. Capital Region guys who did the same years ago expanded that practice with Tammany Hall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordecai_Manuel_Noah
Thomas Nast “… was a critic of Democratic Representative “Boss” Tweed and the Tammany Hall Democratic party political machine. He created a modern version of Santa Claus (based on the traditional German figures of Sankt Nikolaus and Weihnachtsmann) and the political symbol of the elephant for the Republican Party (GOP).” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nast
Thomas Nast: “German-born American caricaturist and editorial cartoonist often considered to be the Father of the American Cartoon … advocated the abolition of slavery, opposed racial segregation, and deplored the violence of the Ku Klux Klan.“
“In 1905’s Ku Klux Klan: Its Origin, Growth and Disbandment, the author Walter Lynwood Fleming, lists Pike as the Klan’s ‘chief judicial officer’ …” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Pike
Albert Pike … Aleister Crowley … Los Alamos … Scientology … Nxivm …
Conversation on Reddit:
r/cults
by TheyWillCrumble
1 yr. ago
“Has anyone else seen this TikTok? This person is a mental health activist who says they were recruited by Diane Lane’s daughter Eleanor Jasmine Lambert and has pointed out quite a number of influencers that appear to be working on marketing and/or influencing for the group. Eleanor’s dad/Diane Lane’s ex-husband Christopher Lambert is apparently listed in Epstein’s Little Black Book. This whistleblower now seems to be the target of a huge smear campaign, making it all the more suspicious.
I spent hours searching all of the accounts this person named and it has made me rethink what they tell us in the documentaries and now I am even questioning some of the journalists who have covered this. And some of the people who say they have supposedly “left” the cult. Keith wanted to start an army of influence right? I’m sure there’s way more than they’re showing us. I tried posting about this in the NXIVM case subreddit and a mod immediately started dismissing this? This is so weird.“
“I think you are very probably right, difficult to question any thing on the NXIVM sub though they are very strict about discussion topics. Interesting to see what comes of this new info, thanks for posting.”
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If Nxivm used the “Divide and Conquer” strategy in the Nxivm group to control the Nxivm group dynamics — and also as the Nxivm group to influence national and international politics — is that just sneaky or is it criminally insane?
How much of the “Nxivm” project is still active?
How many connected to ESP/Nxivm group were still recruiting in May of 2020?
Is Eleanor Lambert still recruiting? How many in Hollywood are connected to “cult” projects?
Is “The Dossier Project” group and “Make Justice Blind” still recruiting for ESP/Nxivm, the Bronfmans, Mormons in Mexico and/or Salinas networks?
“Nxivm” definitely astroturfed quickly after the Bronfmans started funding it. How many people were and still are involved all over the world?
Most importantly: Is anyone targeting Catie to protect ESP/Nxivm, the Bronfmans, Mormons in Mexico, Salinas networks and/or “Hollywood”?
If my man was wearing knee pads it wouldn’t be for volleyball
Have you seen the picture of
Nippy sporting a handlebar mustache & Daisy Dukes?
Nippy is a flower boy?!?
That’s what Sarah gets for marrying a goy.
Nippy is a soy-,boy
Most NXIVM males are Soy Boys.
No, please show me
Peaches-
Presently, Frank is in possession of the picture in question.
It is true. I was sent the photo.
Currently Frank is checking the credibility and veracity of the photo in question.
Someone at the [redacted] is withholding the picture!!!!
Release the evidence!
Tom’s article:
https://trmoblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/hollywood-goes-tibet.pdf
“… The other pages were used to imply that the Dalai Lama endorsed Keith Raniere.”
https://frankreport.com/2017/11/15/two-more-websites-go-down-clare-bronfmans-ethical-humanitarian-and-world-ethical-foundations/
Britannica: “Peter Thiel, in full Peter Andreas Thiel, (born October 11, 1967, Frankfurt am Main, West Germany), German American entrepreneur and business executive who helped found PayPal, an e-commerce company, and Palantir Technologies, a software firm involved in data analysis. He also invested in several notable ventures, including Facebook … Etc.
… In 1998 Thiel and several others cofounded Confinity, which was designed to handle payments between Palm Pilots. The following year it merged with Elon Musk’s X.com, and PayPal was created, with Thiel becoming its CEO and chairman. Designed to create “a new world currency,” the e-commerce company specialized in Internet money transfers. PayPal proved hugely successful, aided by its use on the online marketplace eBay. In 2002 eBay acquired PayPal for $1.5 billion. The transaction made Thiel a multimillionaire, and he subsequently invested in a number of start-ups, notably Facebook (2004), an online social networking service. He also established the hedge fund Clarium Capital Management.”
Maybe it matters somehow that Peter Thiel invited Tom O’Neill, Bret Easton Ellis and a few others to a dinner party. If the dinner party was at the house the Bronfmans built, the house is all windows and maybe all ears, too.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CfXOIAcjzx4/?igshid=NDBlY2NjN2I%3D
Same house?
“Several of Thomas’s friends in Los Angeles said they often saw Thiel at Thomas’s home, and also saw Thomas at Thiel’s nearby home on Metz Place. (Unrelatedly, before Thomas moved in, the home was owned by leading figures in the bizarre NXIVM sex cult that was rolled up in 2021, according to property records.)“
https://theintercept.com/2023/03/23/peter-thiel-jeff-thomas/
“… The following year it merged with Elon Musk’s X.com, and PayPal was created, with Thiel becoming its CEO and chairman. Designed to create “a new world currency,” …
Credit cards are now conveniently “touchless”. They tell us we can “just tap” so we “don’t have to touch the card reader”. Who would want to touch such dirty cash and card readers, right? Soon, a chip in the hand or the forehead will be even easier.
“Sarah Edmondson and Kristin Kreuk first recruited Mack. Sara Bronfman and Nancy Salzman came to Vancouver to land the big fish Allison Mack – a successful beautiful actress and star of a hit TV show. Sara Bronfman flew the lucky young lady in to meet his highness in a private plane.”
My question: Why hadn’t Bronfman and Salzman tried this move on Kreuk? She was a bigger fish, a more beautiful actress and the bigger star on their TV show. So why wasn’t the shy Kreuk flown to meet his highness?
My guess: Nxivm felt Mack was eager to get out from the shadow of the prettier Kreuk so might eagerly do anything to be Vanguard’s star.
Yeah, you would think that would be the case. Kristen was the one who drank the NXIVM kool-aid first and recruited Allison, and it was Allison who expressed doubts and was told to push through. People on social media think because of what Allison did she was the one who recruited Kristen and Kristen was fortunate to “escape” NXIVM’s clutches. Kristen was the one doing Girls By Design under NXIVM influence too. It’s kind of backwards that Allison ends up with her finances depleted and her career destroyed when she was working in the industry for much longer (since childhood, and it was what probably made her susceptible to the cult), while Kristen somehow “escaped” unscathed and is still a working her minimal career and now doing convention hopping off of Smallville. So, because Allison happened to work with Kristen and Kristen worked with Sarah (who made a lot of money from this cult and is still living off her whistle blower status), now the rest of Allison’s entire life was put on a downward path where acting for a career is likely gone with their initiation. That’s the advantage of being what some people think is a top tier beauty: they get the benefit of the doubt for all the things they did but can hide.
Also, Mack was part of Vanguard’s harem and DOS, while “top tier beauty” Kreuk wasn’t, despite being more his type. Vicente hinted in the Vow that maybe Kreuk left when she learned about DOS, so maybe her shyness kept her from joining sexual shenanigans.
DOS formed in late 2015. Kristen said she left NXIVM in early 2013. Are you suggesting Kristen is a liar?
Vicente made the connection of DOS to Kreuk’s leaving, so ask him if she lied.
Kristin Kook may have left in 2009, 2013 or later, reports support all of them. But she was never out completely, due to mindfucking and the fear of Clare’s lawyers.
>> Also, Mack was part of Vanguard’s harem and DOS, while “top tier beauty” Kreuk wasn’t, despite being more his type…
There’s no doubt differing personalities and goals affected their choices. Yeah, it was Kristin’s referral that got Allison involved but she can’t be blamed for Allison’s choices well after the fact. Both were young and naive actresses looking to solve issues who trusted positive word of mouth. Allison can certainly be looked at more leniently for her choices because of prior unknown deep-seated personality issues that arose due to deeper cult involvement but that’s a matter of legitimate psychiatric diagnosis. Possible differing family and other people involvement also could have presented positive roadblocks to Kristin’s deeper involvement due to negativity surrounding the cult in the media, unlike Allison’s family who were involved themselves and seemed to think the cult interaction was acceptable.
>> Vicente made the connection of DOS to Kreuk’s leaving…
I would take what Vicente hints at with a grain of salt, especially anything possibly inflammatory, salacious, eye-raising, etc., in a purposefully biased (though not necessarily wrong) documentary for entertainment purposes. But I mean, is it really eye-raising though that a sexually obsessed heterosexual man, let alone any heterosexual man, would desire to have sex with a beautiful woman, and that any smarter or even shyer one would find the proposition of DOS and its “sexual shenanigans” gross and leave?
Tom is “chaoscharlesmanson“ on Instagram: “Not sure what to make of the Dalai Lama kiss controversy, but I’m kind of proud of my reporting on Steven Seagal’s purchase of his “tulku” title (reincarnated holy man) all the way back in ’98. I think it holds up. (link to full story in bio)”
So can someone explain in simple understandable terms why Sarah Edmondson and Mark Vincente are suing Allison Mack? What did she do to them? It would be easier to understand if she was suing them.
In simple terms, they aren’t.
The third amended complaint is actually quite specific. Pages 48 through 55 list what Allison Mack did to 6 plaintiffs: Nicole, India, Souki, Jessica Joan, Rachel, and Valerie. Her slaves.
Edmondson (and others) are suing Dr. Roberts for battery on account of being branded. She’s suing Mack for aiding and abetting the act of battery.
The complaint is quite specific, it isn’t a scattershot case of everybody suing everybody for everything.
everybody suing everybody — except those most responsible for most of the harm done.
Volleyball is a cult. It’s a stupid game and people who play it are more likely to be in a cult.
I know it’s selfish of me to say, but I want my Allie Mack back. Not the cultist, the actress I was a fan of and close in years to. The cult one needs to marinate in her actions. I think the soiling of this very public symbol of beauty, youth and purity was a good example for what happens when you succumb to these cult people. Cults are great, if you want to throw your life away metaphorically or actually. Otherwise, they are just a social waste of time.
An Enchanting Song for an Enchanting Evening.
‘Some Enchanted Evening’ from SOUTH PACIFIC (1958)
Buddy I hope you make money off this website.
You skipped what comes next in this video: she tells Raniere to “pop her cherry”. Even Raniere looks surprised by this blunt remark and eventually gives some evasive answer. But I bet his mind was racing and thinking how easy it would be to bed this young attractive woman.
Yes. Yes indeed.
Who is the predator, and who the prey in this little scene?
She’s flirting with him. First photo: she’s touching his arm. Then she’s putting fingers in her mouth to suck. That’s real goddam subtle, no? Her sucking on a lollipop might have been more effective, given Raniere’s proclivities.
Yeah. “Pop my cherry”, she said, removing all doubt. “Oh my,” was all dumbass could think to say, standing there in his oh so suave headband.
She’s the spider, he’s the fly.
“I threw myself into the teachings of Keith Raniere with everything I had. I believed, whole-heartedly, that his mentorship was leading me to a better, more enlightened version of myself. I devoted my loyalty, my resources, and, ultimately, my life to him. This was the biggest mistake and greatest regret of my life.”
https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/allison-mack-apologizes-to-nxivm-survivors-asks-for-no-jail-time/
She’s 23 years old. She’s not a child. At that age University graduates have already completed the first year of their entry level career. Your brain is practically fully developed.
What happened to Nxivm’s brainwashed “practically fully developed” brains after “Hollywood” brainwashed those same brains?
“She sucked her fingers and said “pop my cherry.”
She wanted to bang him. So what.
The real issue and what makes you mad—no woman ever hit you.
Hit on you…
“… The women were required to dutifully record everything they ate, and cheating beyond 800 calories per day was punishable. Nobody in NXIVM circles seemed to call it what it was: starvation …
… In Albany, Clare Bronfman paid for a vegetarian chef at a clubhouse called Apropos, where the menu embodied the restraint of Keith’s teachings. Women who ate there would find it easy to keep their meals under 200 calories …“
https://www.vice.com/en/article/9kmmja/i-followed-the-nxivm-sex-cult-diet-for-a-week
I love Janie’s writing. Breaking down the NLP/Body-language of Pimp Mack and Vanturd is something I never did with this clip.
Although, Allison became a predator herself. She learned from a pro. She loved it. She loved the power. She stalked, groomed then eventually led her prey into the lions den known as DOS. Women were coaxed into believing the “Seduction Assignments” would feed them more power. All this being, most of the DOS women were not victims,they WILLINGLY gave collateral. It’s not like the collateral was obtained via secret recording or anything illegal.
“Why was Allison Mack guilty if she was deceived and brainwashed?“
“… Abstract
Brainwashing is used to describe an abrupt, induced attitudinal change. Methods used to induce this change include:
✅ isolation;
✅ monopolization;
✅ debilitation;
✅ exhaustion;
❓drugs; (The mandatory Nxivm diet of 800 calories or less per day served the same purpose.)
✅ torture;
✅ enforcement of routine; and,
✅ hypnosis
Although brainwashing can produce profound alterations in character, values, and disposition, it cannot easily be accommodated by such current criminal defenses as mental incapacity, automatism, or coercion. A justification for making brainwashing an excusing condition can be found in each of three major approaches to excusing criminal liability: (1) that punishment should be withheld where it is incapable of having a deterrent effect, (2) that a moral license to punish should not extend to cases where the defendant’s actions could not be regarded as voluntary, and (3) that excusing conditions are those that preclude an inference from the act to the actor’s character. Although several criticisms might be advanced against the proposed defense, psychological evidence exists to establish beyond doubt the brainwashing phenomenon and its causal link with illegal acts. There are valid moral arguments that brainwashing should afford an excuse to all crimes. They are based on the idea that a person acting when brainwashed is not properly regarded as the same person who reverts to normal behavior after deprogramming. …”
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/brainwashing-criminal-law-defence
Here’s the short version…
Keith wanted to take all of the fun, magic and art out of these people’s lives.
Women particularly, Keith wanted not to be thriving but just surviving….barely.
But it’s really all those little creative florishes and pleasures that make life bearable. And sex. And romance.
And living an artful life is the key to all of that.
You CAN live and work on the minimum amount of sleep and the most tasteless food, but why would you? By choice? Your whole life? Everyday?
Why wouldn’t you want to add the sprinkle of glitter and the extra garlic to everything? At least sometimes…
Live a juicy life. Not a dry artless one
Anyone who thinks art isn’t necessary to humanity is a moron and potentially evil.
Everything about being human is connected to innovation and creativity. Problems solving. Imagination. Even science is an art at its highest level
Art is a reflection of our shared humanity. It is a palatable way to teach people universal truths. It can inspire. It can be aspirational. The creation of more potent art is a quest that keeps many a person alive, engaged, and constantly bettering themselves and their uniquely human skill set. It’s a way to connect with your unique fingerprints all over it.
The desire to express oneself creatively is as old as the human species.
Art evokes both the future and the past working as a thread to connect us to our ancestors as well as our future children and their children.
Whether it is a solitary experience of gazing at an ancient vase or painting in the museum from a quiet place, or sitting in a theater roaring with laughter amongst your fellow human kind, art is everything.
Creating is so human. Sure, orher species create too. But not like us.
Art is an entertaining way to teach children about the world. That is part of the reason there is a lasting thirst for children’s books. Even before children can understand the words they can also look at the pictures. Lullabies sooth babies by putting emotion into song.you are safe, you are loved. Rest little one. And as an adult, who hasn’t gotten through a particularly difficult time by listening to music?
Oh music. One of the most sacred arts of all. Very few people hate music. And to be able to write the songs that make the whole world sing? It’s pretty close to being divine on Earth.
You don’t have to be a professionally trained creative. No one has to be a Rembrandt to be an artist
it’s also the mother who decorates the birthday cake for her child. It’s smoothing the creases out of the bed you just put fresh sheets on and placing the pillows just right so it looks appealing to your partner when they come home weary from a hard day working.
Art is planning a beautiful garden in the winter when you might feel hopeless so that your neighbors see a glorious explosion of color and smell the sweet scent of spring as they walk by your home in the future months. Art is cooking a beautiful meal that looks and smells as good as it tastes and setting the table beautifully
Art is picking a bouquet of those flowers and making sure it looks just perfect before you present it to your wife and then take a photo of her so she can see how beautiful she looks on your 50th anniversary.
Art Is Everything. It is everywhere. It is integral to being human. And it is in a very small act of daily living as much as it is in the paintings on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
Thank you for coming to my mother’s day Ted(dy) Talk.
I understand if you did not stay for the whole speech it’s pretty long.
Wishing you all the best on the day we celebrate maternity and maternal figures in our lives. God bless you all.
And keep making things. Big. Small. Never stop creating and never stop appreciating the art in others.
Keith, hopefully you’re making a keychain in prison right now. Maybe then you will come to understand creativity and art in 100 years
That’s beautiful, 10:48.
I hope Allison reads your comment.
She was a beautiful 23-year-old who seems to have once believed in beautiful things when she met Keith Raniere on November 14, 2006. She said her idea of art was “so exciting and wonderful. Blissful. Joyful.”
Marina Abromovich produces extremely dark “art”.
Does anyone know if Allison promoted Abromovich’s “art” before joining Nxivm?
Does anyone happen to know what might have prompted Allison to post a photo of Ambromovich on social media about six years later on April 20, 2018? If she was trying to get others to follow Abromovich and her “art”, why did Allison do that?
https://i.redd.it/sqkwgnbn3st01.png
“Those who can’t do, make art”
As if making art isn’t “doing”?
I guess real “doing” is operating a T-shirt printing business or selling discounts on consumer goods.
Such a crock of shit.
When I first watched the clip of that on YouTube it was shocking. When one is already aware of the ultimate outcome of that first encounter. Mack is almost Bambiesque, the eyes, her physicality, and Raniere is Jafar with a penchant for group blow jobs. You can see him admiring Mack’s gums, and not her malleable mind.
She’s a baddie though. Participate in branding and enslaving, no one’s gonna like you. No more acting. Her worst fear encapsulated, the boos, except these boos are silent, and emitted through the eyes who look upon her. Don’t know how she can help herself, hope she has a good support system.
How can you trust your own judgment, your own instincts, when you fuck up so royally and publically.