The defendant’s attorney requested that the judge recommend to the Bureau of Prisons designation to a federal prison in California.
Judge Garaufis’s sentencing memorandum from today’s proceeding.
This sentencing statement concerns Defendant Allison Mack, who entered a plea of guilty on April 8, 2019 to two counts of an 11-count second Superseding Indictment. Ms. Mack pled guilty to Count One, which charged her with racketeering conspiracy in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1962(d) and 1963(a), and to Count Two, which charged her with racketeering in violation of 18 U.S.C. §§ 1962(c) and 1963(a).
The statutory maximum sentence for these crimes is 20 years on each count. There is no statutory mandatory minimum.
Per the plea agreement, the defendant admits to the following racketeering activity: (1) the extortion of Jane Doe 5 [Nicole] and Jane
Doe 8; [Jessica Joan] the forced labor of Jane Doe 5 and Jane Doe 8; and (3) wire fraud of “lower-ranking” members of the organization
She also stipulates to the conduct underlying the sex trafficking of Jane Doe 5. (Presentence Investigation Report (“PSR”) ¶¶ 1-2.)
CALCULATION OF OFFENSE LEVEL & GUIDELINES RANGE
The Probation Department recommends that I calculate the Total Offense Level for Ms. Mack’s sentence as 35. (Presentence Investigation Report (“PSR”) ¶ 196.) The defendant is in Criminal History Category I. Based on a Total Offense Level of 35 and a Criminal History Category I designation, the Probation Department recommends that I calculate the applicable Guidelines range as 168 to 210 months (or 14 to 17 ½ years).
The defense agrees with this calculation.
The court finds that the Total Offense Level is properly calculated as 35, and that Ms. Mack belongs in Criminal History Category I.
Accordingly, the court also calculates the applicable Guidelines range as 168 to 210 months in the custody of the Attorney General.
Having calculated the Guidelines range, I now turn to the factors outlined in 18 U.S.C. § 3553(a). Under § 3553(a), I must consider several factors in imposing a sentence, including the nature and circumstances of the offense; the defendant’s history and characteristics; the need for the sentence to reflect the seriousness of the offense, to promote respect for the law, and to provide just punishment for the offense; the need for the sentence to afford adequate deterrence; and the need to protect the public. The sentence must be sufficient, but not greater than necessary, to comply with the purposes of sentencing.
As determined by the Supreme Court in United States v. Booker, 543 U.S. 220 (2005), and its progeny, the Sentencing Guidelines
are merely advisory, not mandatory. Accordingly, while I must consider the applicable Guidelines range, I am free to impose a
sentence that falls outside of that range in either direction, even in the absence of “extraordinary” circumstances. See Gall v.
United States, 552 U.S. 38, 47 (2007). The only limits on the sentence I will give today are that it be no greater than the statutory
maximum, 20 years on each count, and that it be reasonable in light of the factors identified in § 3553(a).
Before turning to an analysis of the § 3553(a) factors, it is important to say a word about what I will be considering in that analysis. First, I have reviewed the parties’ sentencing submissions and listened to their arguments today in court. And I want to commend counsel on both sides for their excellent work in preparing for this sentencing.
I have read the 14 letters submitted in support of Ms. Mack, as well as two letters written by Ms. Mack herself. And I have listened carefully to Ms. Mack’s statement during today’s proceeding. I have reviewed and considered the six victim impact statements that were submitted in writing, and the two victim impact statements that were made on the record today.
I have also read nine letters of apology that Ms. Mack wrote to the victims of her conduct: because the terms of Ms. Mack’s release precluded her from communicating with the addressees of these letters, she asked the court to modify the conditions of release to permit her to send these letters. The court reviewed the letters in camera and, after determining that they were reasonable and appropriate, granted the requested temporary modification of Ms. Mack’s conditions of release to permit her counsel to send them, so long as the addressees consented to receive them.
I have also considered testimony adduced at co-defendant Keith Raniere’s trial, to the extent it is relevant and has been proven, in my view, by a preponderance of the evidence. It is well-settled that the scope of a sentencing judge’s inquiry when analyzing the § 3553(a) factors is “largely unlimited as to the kind of information [the district court] may consider, and it is free to consider evidence of uncharged crimes, dropped counts of an indictment, and criminal activity resulting in an acquittal in determining sentence.” United States v. Bennet, 839 F.3d 153, 161 n.5 (2d Cir. 2016). I am not bound by the rules of evidence that would pertain at a trial, and I am not limited to considering admissible evidence in determining an appropriate sentence. See United States v. Chang, 59 F. App’x 361, 363 (2d Cir. 2003).
Particularly relevant here, the Second Circuit has repeatedly held that a sentencing court is entitled to rely on information “gleaned from a
trial in which the person to be sentenced was neither a defendant nor represented by counsel.” United States v. Cacace, 796 F.3d 176, 191 (2d Cir. 2015); see also United States v. Tracy, 12 F.3d 1186, 1203 (2d Cir. 1993).
Ms. Mack, you pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering and one count of racketeering conspiracy, predicated on conduct that
included forced labor, extortion, sex trafficking, and wire fraud.
You admitted to conduct, in connection with your role as a “first line master” in the secret organization DOS, that included recruiting women to join the organization and requiring them to serve as your “slaves.”
By many accounts, you were able to use your status as a well known public figure to gain credibility and influence with Nxivm and DOS recruits. You abused this position of power to persuade and pressure women to join DOS. You capitalized on your celebrity and these individuals’ eagerness to be close to you, told them you were recruiting them for a “women’s empowerment” sorority, and misrepresented and obscured fundamental facts about the organization and the conditions of membership. You told them that Keith Raniere was not involved. You did not tell them that they would be required to engage in sexual conduct.
You required your “slaves” to provide “collateral,” both as a price of admission and on a continuing basis, in order to ensure their obedience and secrecy. The collateral that you extracted from your “slaves” included explicit photographs and videos, confessions and accusations that would damage them or their loved ones if released, and rights to significant financial assets. For example, one victim provided a sexually explicit video, credit card authorizations, a series of letters falsely alleging sexual abuse by a close family member, and the right to a family heirloom.
She testified explicitly that she believed her collateral would be forfeited and made public if she reneged on her commitment to
DOS. In other words, you demanded that these women give you the keys to the most intimate, personal, and valuable parts of
themselves, so that you could maintain power over them and have leverage to direct them to do anything you wanted.
And what did you direct them to do, using your leverage? You directed them to subject themselves to extreme sleep and food
deprivation and geographical isolation, and to perform uncompensated labor whenever asked, often for your own benefit or
gain. You directed them to submit nude photographs of themselves, and to be branded on their pubic areas with a symbol that,
unbeknownst to them, included Mr. Raniere’s initials. And in several cases, you directed your slaves to engage in sexual contact
with Mr. Raniere. You used your leverage, your power over these women, to recruit and groom them as sexual partners for Mr.
Raniere, and to pressure them into engaging in sexual acts that – according to their testimony – they did not want to engage in and
would not have engaged in voluntarily.
This court, in sentencing Mr. Raniere, made it very clear how seriously it views the conduct for which he was convicted. When it comes to DOS, and the monstrous crimes he committed in connection with that organization, you were an essential accomplice.
You willingly enslaved, destabilized, and manipulated other women so that when they were at their most vulnerable, when they believed that they owed you total obedience and that anything less than that would cause them serious personal and financial harm, when you had taken from them their sense of agency to make their own choices, you gave them “special assignments” to satisfy Mr. Raniere’s sexual interests. Mr. Raniere could not have done that without you. You did that together. The evidence presented at his trial demonstrated that you were not a begrudging or passive enabler, but rather that you were a willing and proactive ally.
The victims of your conduct have described, through their testimony at Mr. Raniere’s trial and through their letters and statements to the court, the serious psychological and physical injuries that they suffered at your hands. They have described your cruelty, your lies and manipulation, your apparent sadistic pleasure in watching them suffer, and your creative enthusiasm when it came to developing new ways to debase them. They have described enduring psychological trauma as a result of your actions. The court acknowledges that to some of them, no sentence short of severe punishment will seem sufficient, and that no sentence of any length can truly redress their trauma.
The seriousness of your conduct and the harm that you wrought dovetails with the need for your sentence serve as a forceful deterrent – both for you, over the next many decades of your life, and for others who might be tempted to use their privileges and authority to inflict harm and exert control over the vulnerable and impressionable. For all of these reasons, I think that a serious sentence is appropriate.
There are also important mitigating factors, three of which I want to emphasize. First, your lawyers make a persuasive case that you, like the victims of your conduct, were ensnared in Mr. Raniere’s coercive and manipulative web. Like your victims, you turned over collateral in connection with your involvement in DOS. Like your victims, you were subject to abusive and unreasonable demands that were designed to destabilize you and deprive you of your agency. I don’t doubt that you were also manipulated and that you also felt captive, even as you were inflicting those very consequences on other women.
In the language of DOS, you were a slave as well as a master, and the harms that you inflicted as a master were, to some extent, demanded of you in your capacity as Mr. Raniere’s slave. Even the letters from your victims reflect a kind of ambivalence: many of them see you both as their abuser and as a fellow victim. That is something that weighs on me. It is hard to determine an appropriate sentence for a perpetrator who is also her co-conspirator’s victim.
Second, you have expressed remorse and contrition and made significant progress towards rehabilitating yourself. And I see no reason to doubt that your efforts and your progress are sincere. In contrast to other individuals who have remained deferential to Mr. Raniere even as the artifice of his virtues crumbled, you have begun the hard work of unraveling the lies and grappling with your culpability and the consequences of your behavior.
I don’t doubt that it has been difficult and painful to dispel some of the illusions under which you were operating and to attempt to see yourself and your behavior with a new kind of clarity. I commend you for having the courage to engage in that work.
Your contrition and ownership of your actions cannot repair the damage that you inflicted, but it is an important and encouraging step towards your own rehabilitation. I urge you to continue that work, during and after your sentence, so that you may better understand for yourself what happened, why it happened, what effects it had, and how you can ensure that it does not happen again.
Third, you have assisted the Government with its investigation and prosecution. As the Government described in its sentencing submission, you began to cooperate with their investigation approximately one month prior to Mr. Raniere’s trial. You provided key details about Mr. Raniere’s role in DOS, including his solicitation of nude photographs and sexual encounters. You turned over evidence, including emails, documents, and an audio recording that became a crucial piece of evidence at trial, in which Mr. Raniere devises the DOS branding ritual. According to the Government, you were willing to testify at trial, though you were not called upon to do so. The Government takes the position that while you could have been even more helpful if you had begun to cooperate sooner, you deserve a sentence below the Guidelines range in recognition of the assistance that you provided.
Taking all of this into consideration, my task today is to balance the need for a sentence that adequately punishes your serious conduct with the need for a sentence that supports rather than disrupts your efforts towards rehabilitation. There will be more chapters to your life after your sentence concludes, and it is the court’s hope that you will be ready and able to make the most of those chapters, and that the family and community that have supported you through the last three years will aid you in continuing your work of rehabilitation as you move through your sentence, and as you eventually move beyond it. I have considered the range of sentences that are available, and
the range suggested by the Sentencing Guidelines. I have also considered the need to avoid unwarranted sentence disparities between you and other defendants who have been convicted of similar conduct. I have considered my obligation to impose a sentence that is sufficient but not greater than necessary to achieve the objectives of sentencing.
I agree with the Government, and with your lawyers, that a downward departure from the Guidelines range is warranted in this case. A sentence even in the lower end of that range would be much greater than necessary. At the same time, for the reasons I have explained, I believe that the nature and consequences of your offense and the need for deterrence warrant a serious
sentence. While I accept your contrition as sincere and your efforts toward rehabilitation as genuine, it is impossible to ignore the tremendous injuries that you caused.
For that reason, I believe that a carceral sentence is appropriate. Ms. Mack, I sentence you as follows: on Count One, a sentence of 36 months in the custody of the attorney general; on Count Two, a sentence of 36 months in the custody of the attorney general, to be served concurrently with the sentence on Count One.
I also sentence you to a three-year term of post-incarceration supervised release, to be served concurrently on both counts, to a fine in the amount of $20,000, payable immediately, and a $200 Special Assessment, also due immediately. While the court is not ordering restitution at this time, it reserves the right to make Ms. Mack jointly and severally responsible for any forthcoming restitution orders imposed upon her co-conspirators, as permitted under the relevant statutes.
The court has already approved an amended preliminary order of forfeiture on July 17, 2019. I direct that the forfeiture order be made final and attached to the judgment.
The following special conditions post-incarceration term of supervised release:
• The defendant shall not attempt to contact in person, or communicate with by letter, telephone, electronic means, or through a third party, any individual with an affiliation to Executive Success Programs, Nxivm, DOS or any other Nxivm-affiliated organizations, unless granted permission in advance by the Probation Office or by this court; nor shall the defendant frequent any establishment, or other
locale where these groups may meet pursuant, but not limited to, a prohibition list provided by the U.S. Probation Department, unless granted permission in advance by the Probation Office or by this court.
• The defendant shall undergo a mental health evaluation, and if deemed necessary, participate in an outpatient mental health treatment program as approved by the Probation Department. The defendant shall contribute to the cost of such services rendered and/or any psychotropic medications prescribed to the degree she is reasonably able, and shall cooperate in securing any applicable third party payment. The defendant shall disclose all financial information and documents to the Probation Department to assess her ability to pay.
• The defendant shall complete 1,000 hours of community service.
You have the right to appeal your sentence to the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit if you believe the Court
has not properly sentenced you. Your time to appeal is extremely limited, so you should consult with your attorneys at once
whether an appeal would be worthwhile.
Ms. Mack, I am not going to remand you into custody. You may return home, where you will be subject to the same conditions of
release that have previously applied. You will be designated to a facility and given a surrender date. The court recommends that
the defendant be designated to a Bureau of Prisons facility that provides mental health counseling so that she may continue the
course of rehabilitative treatment that she has pursued while on release.
Dated: Brooklyn, New York
June 30, 2021
_/s/ Nicholas G. Garaufis_
NICHOLAS G. GARAUFIS
United States District Judge
[…] did Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis say about Allison Mack undoing the physical and mental harm which she deliberately inflicted on her […]
Not even one peep in any way, shape, or form of “K Kook” in the NXIVM story by the investigators and prosecutors, and now the judge and victims in the sentencing of Allison Mack. Looks like the peanut gallery knows peanuts.
Kook is saving her peeps for her book, “The Smallville Beauty and the Nvivm Beast” or “The Burden of Truth About Taking 100 Facials In a Sex Cult.” A pictorial diary by Ms. Kristin Kreuk (as told to Frank Parlato).
You’re a sadist. Just like Raniere.
Mack has a good possibility to be transferred to Victorville, a federal minimum security women’s prison camp, about 1 hour+ east of Los Angeles. There are lots of great activities and opportunities to learn. I’m jealous!
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Inmate Name and Registration Number
FCI Victorville Medium 2
Satellite Prison Camp
P.O. Box 5300
Adelanto, CA 92301
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Sex: Main: Male; Camp: Female
Security Level: Main: Medium; Camp: Minimum
Judicial District: Central District of California
Population (as of Sept. 23, 2020): Main: 925; Camp: 190
Background: FCI Victorville Medium 2 and the satellite camp were opened in 2004. The camp is located adjacent to and provides support services for FCI Victorville Medium 1 and 2. The facilities are part of the Victorville Federal Correctional Complex (FCC). Notable inmates include Mohamed Osman Mohamud (serving a 30-year sentence for attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction), former leader of the now-defunct Sonora Cartel Miguel Caro-Quintero (serving 17 years for drug trafficking), and reality TV star Abby Lee Miller (serving a 366-day sentence for bankruptcy fraud).
Housing: Inmates are housed in two-person cells. Inmates in the camp are housed in dormitories, which are divided into two-person cubicles.
Health Services: Emergency medical care, sick call, physical examinations, annual TB testing, medication, dental services, and eyeglasses are all provided at FCI Victorville Medium 2. Inmates must submit a triage form in order to be evaluated for routine care concerns. Emergency medical care is available 24 hours a day by approaching any staff member.
Psychology Services: Intake screening is provided for each inmate upon arrival at FCI Victorville Medium 2. Inmates can also speak with a psychologist briefly during open house hours or at mainline. Psychologists also conduct various groups and workshops for inmates. These tend to include stress management and anger management. A self-help library is also available. Suicide and other crisis counseling is available 24 hours a day if an emergency exists. The camp also offers the STAGES Program for inmates with serious mental illness and personality disorders.
Residential Drug Abuse Program (RDAP): FCI Victorville Medium 2 does not house a Residential Drug Abuse Program (RDAP), but referrals can be made to institutions that do provide RDAP.
The institution does offer Alcoholics Anonymous (AA), Narcotics Anonymous (NA), a Drug Education class, and the Non-Residential Drug Abuse Program (NR-DAP).
Education Services: FCI Victorville Medium 2 offers literacy, GED, and English as-a-Second Language (ESL) programs to inmates. Both parenting and Adult Continuing Education (ACE) programs are also available. Coastline Community College enables inmates to obtain an Associate’s Degree in either liberal arts or specialized business. High school diplomas and post-secondary programs are available through paid correspondence programs.
Advanced Occupational Education: FCI Victorville Medium 2 offers advanced occupational education in Automotive Service Excellence, Bicycle Repair, Horticulture, Microsoft Office 2010, Recycling/Solid Waste Management, ServSafe, and Solar Panel Installation. The camp offers Automotive Service Excellence, Horticulture, Microsoft Office 2010, Recycling/Solid Waste Management, ServSafe, and Wheelchair Repair.
Vocational Training: FCI Victorville Medium 2 does not offer any vocational training programs.
Apprenticeship: FCI Victorville Medium 2 offers apprenticeships in Plumbing and HVAC. The camp offers an apprenticeship in Dental Assistant.
Library Services: A leisure and law library is available for the inmate population. Inmates can check out a wide variety of books, magazines, and newspapers. Books can be checked out for two weeks at a time. Inmates are provided access to legal materials and an opportunity to prepare legal documents through the use of the TRULINCS Electronic Law Library. A copying machine is available to reproduce materials needed for research. Electric typewriters are also available for inmate use. The library is open six days a week.
UNICOR: The FCI Victorville Medium 2 UNICOR facility handles vehicle management and vehicular components.
Commissary: Inmates have the opportunity to purchase items not issued or delivered as basic care by the institution or items of a different higher quality. The monthly spending limit is $360.00. Inmates are allowed to shop once a week on their designated shopping day. Copy cards, postage stamps, and over-the-counter medications do not count against the spending limitation. Inmates tend to carry their purchases back to their housing units in laundry bags.
Recreation Services: The FCI Victorville Medium 2 Recreation Department offers a variety of indoor and outdoor activities for the inmate population. Inside, inmates can participate in arts and crafts programs. Outside, inmates can work out, play sports, take fitness classes, or socialize. A photo program is also available which allows inmates to have their photos taken.
Visitation Information: See our page on prisoner visitation rules for more information.
Directions to Prison:
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Annual TB testing and Dental! I’m in!
Great health care, educational and career opportunities, and art too. Why not? I’m in too!
Victorville is located on part of the old George Air Force Base at the South end of the Mohave Desert.
Uncle Sam and Big Pharma will stuff Allison Mack full of pills to “cure” her.
The sad truth is that Allison’s life in prison may be much better than my life right now! She can get treatment for addictions, does not have to worry about supporting herself or cooking, doing laundry, etc.
Google maps located Victorville 84.1 miles from LA and an average drive is over 2.5 hours!
CELEBRITY NEWS Published 4 hours ago
India Oxenberg says Allison Mack personally apologized for abuse ahead of NXIVM sentencing: It ‘seemed honest’
The ‘Smallville’ alum was sentenced to three years in prison for charges she groomed women
By Melissa Roberto | Fox News
“seemed honest” says the airhead that got sucked in with these monsters in the first place
Has India apologized to the 2 women she:
– recruited into DOS;
– obtained collateral from;
– scheduled for branding;
– lied to as to the involvement of Keith;
– had given the assignment to seduce Keith (Jay only).
Yes, she was a victim and suffered but was on the same path as Allison. Not yet as sadistic and mean, but still. She also was very late to renunciate Keith.
I am guessing that Lauren, Nancy, and Kathy (and their lawyers) are reading this sentencing memorandum very closely and are taking detailed notes on what steps exactly Allison took to get this sentence. Take very good notes, Ladies! You are all use to following a leader — perhaps it is Allison’s lead that you should be taking at this point.
I think the sentence was fair.
Allison. Smart move on the drug prescriptions. It will make prison way, way easier to deal with and you can always cheek your pills and use them for currency.
You’re getting excellent advice. Keep listening. Doing time can be really hard or made much easier. The choice is yours.
“Smart move on the drug prescriptions. It will make prison way, way easier to deal with ” Anonymous
Now Allison Mack can very become a pillhead at taxpayers’ expense.
Before Raniere messed with her head
Now Uncle Sam will use drugs to turn her into a Zombie.
Frank was mentioned in British Sun today:
Psychopathic Satanic Actress Allison Mack
Receives A Joke Sentence Of 3 Years Prison In
Brutal NXIVM Sex-Slave Case
Headline from Rense.com
Well, Shadow, I guess this means your supposed letter to the judge meant exactly jack-fucking-shit to him and did nothing to persuade anyone of anything, just like the impotent garbage you incessantly spew here. Why don’t you post your letter here btw so we can read how awesome it was?
Years ago, I wrote a letter to a US judge urging a harsh sentence for a deputy police chief who took 10K per month in protection money from a cocaine kingpin.
The judge at the sentencing called the corrupt deputy police chief “a fallen saint.”
The media was livid at the judge’s comment.
Many judges are black-robed shysters.
You called his bluff!
No Response from Shadow because he most likely never wrote a letter.
Given the Psychiatric clauses, I’m 100% in agreement with the sentence. I do believe that she needs help.
If Allison Mack is so out of it that she can not function without therapy and drugs, her prospects for finding a husband and raising children are grim indeed
Catherine Oxenberg in her book “Captive” relates how Allison Mack would wake up at night screaming and need to walk the neighborhood until dawn to cool off.
Unlike Clare, Allison did everything right. Denounced Raniere, apologized, expressed remorse, wanted to make restitution; entered college. Acted like she was trying to become a productive member of society. Acted humble and chastened.
Clare continued to support Raniere. Gave the impression she would use her money to support him and get revenge on his detractors. Showed no remorse. Had Clare gotten good advice, she would have gotten 2 years or less.
I’m not so sure that Clare didn’t get good advice. But if she did, she sure didn’t follow it.
If an attorney’s client refuses to follow advice isn’t the most ethical thing to do resign and recommend someone else?
That’s relatively easy to do in a civil matter. But in criminal matters, the attorney will generally need permission from the court to withdraw from the case – and the court will often require that the replacement counsel be in place before it will grant such a request.
—if an attorney’s client refuses to follow advice, isn’t the most ethical thing to do is resign and recommend someone else?
It’s not unethical for an attorney to follow their client’s wishes.
Attorneys usually withdraw representation when a client is too difficult (i.e., belligerent) or the client attempts to involve the attorney in something unethical or illegal.
And her lawsuits hurt a lot of people…..
As someone who had been following and commenting on here for the past 3+yrs (albeit not as ardently as others) – I’m fine with the sentencing. She was a brainwashed asshole that did particularly asshole things as part of her brainwashed-ness. IMO 14yrs seemed ridic – especially thru the lens of our refreshed dialogue about prison reform and what’s reasonable punishment across the board – beyond this case.
She 100% abused her power, made bad decisions and was probably high and mighty about it which makes her even more of an asshole – Aunt Lydia perhaps? She hurt and traumatized people under her care and for someone who was all about “women’s empowerment” the fact that she was Aunt Lydia to her slaves is gonna be something she will have to deal with forever. I can’t even imagine.
She may have a sadistic streak – but so do lots of people. That’s gonna take years for her to unpack with a therapist if she wants to fix it or maybe she’ll just become a professional dominatrix so she can scratch that itch. At the end of the day – being an asshole isn’t a crime.
I’m glad to see her incarcerated. If she’s indeed sadistic and crazy, it will be a deterrent. If she’s not, then it will give the victims some justice and give her time to really dig into wtf happened here with counselors with absolutely no distractions.
But to me 14yrs was unnecessary – 3-5yrs would have been adequate punishment for this armchair Nxivm commentator. It needs to hurt but I don’t think it needs to completely destroy her life.
My 2 cents.
Well put, Sooz.
I am sure there are absolutely no risks from taking psychotropic medicines.
Big Pharma would never dream of risking Americans’ health for profits.
There is a saying “Doctors bury their mistakes.”
Allison, be sure to take all of your medicines.
All of them.
Chris Cornell, Heath Ledger and Robin Williams: Are Their Deaths a Warning of the Risks of Prescription Psychotropic Drugs?
Except for Trump endorsed drugs they’re fine. Haven’t you said?
Yes, psychiatrists can really help Allison Mack!
Psychiatrists have the highest suicide rate of any profession.
In the US, physicians have the highest suicide rate of any profession (28 to 40 per 100,000), more than double that of the general population (12.3 per 100,000). What’s more, of all the medical specialties, psychiatry is near the top in terms of suicide rates.
Psychiatrists are killing themselves at a higher rate than people serving in the military.
Let that sink in for a minute.
Psychiatric drugs do more harm than good, says expert
Shadow says medication is bad….
…And what about schizophrenics and manic depressives Shadow?
Manic depression is treated by lithium
Lithium is a mood stabilizer. The U.S. Food and Drug administration issued a black box warning about the risk of lithium poisoning, which can happen at close to normal dosages. Lithium poising can cause psychosis, kidney failure and coma.
Schizophrenia is treated with Aripiprazole
Aripiprazole is a newer antipsychotic drug. The U.S. Food and Drug administration issued a black box warning about antipsychotics increasing the risk of death in elderly with dementia.
I am a lot more worried about shadowstate1958 poisoning her, to be honest.
Allison Mack is an insane lunatic worshiped by people just a little more sane than her.
That’s one expert who did one clinical trial.
It’s the theory (hunch) of one man.
One clinical trial is not definitive proof of anything! It’s not science.
The sentencing memo mentions psychotropic drugs to treat Allison Mack’s mental condition.
Let’s see what the Citizens’Commission on Human Rights says about such drugs.
Psychiatric Drugs—Side Effects
Psychiatrists can’t predict what adverse side effects you might experience because not one of them knows how their drugs work.
Psychotropic drugs are increasingly being exposed as chemical toxins with the power to kill. Psychiatrists claim their drugs save lives, but according to their own studies, psychotropic drugs can double the risk of suicide. And long-term use has been proven to create a lifetime of physical and mental damage, a fact ignored by psychiatrists.
Common and well-documented side effects of psychiatric drugs include mania, psychosis, hallucinations, depersonalization, suicidal ideation, heart attack, stroke and sudden death.
Not only that, but The US Food and Drug Administration admits that probably one to ten percent of all the adverse drug effects are actually reported by patients or physicians.
Psychiatric Medications Kill More Americans than Heroin
Like the late Secretary of Defense Don Rumsfeld said, “Stuff happens.”
Shadow. I agree with much of your assessment of big Pharma and psychiatry. However, Citizens’Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is a Scientology front group and should not be quoted or trusted as an information source. The Underground Bunker has more info on the harm this group does based on L. Ron Hubbard’s hatred of psychiatrists because they denounced his Diabetic theories as medically unfounded and unsound. I encourage everyone to check their fact-check all of their sources.
“However, Citizens’Commission on Human Rights (CCHR) is a Scientology front group ” Lilly
Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
Years ago, I had an elderly relative who was prescribed an anti-anxiety medicine.
She took one pill and told me “That drug made me feel bad.”
I looked the drug up on the internet and there was an FDA warning.
Elderly people taking the drug have a higher risk of death.
Scientologists are little scumbags.
Big Pharma are Big Scumbags.
In this collection of NXIVM recruitment videos, Allison Mack talks about her difficulty in personal relationships.
Particularly in the third and fourth videos.
Her insecurity and inability to form personal relationships might be a sign of deeper issues.
Her last words:
“I can say with total truth that I look at men now and I’m not trying to find a future husband and that is very freeing.”
Yet her body language shows her hands are scrunched up.
She is lying.
She talks of having insecurities and confusion.
Her inability to find “the perfect man shows an immaturity and very deep personal issues.
Needing both drugs and therapy, both recommended in the sentencing memo, she has many mental problems.
Allison Mack Cult Recruitment Videos 2013-2017 (NXIVM, Jness, DOS, sex slave cult, pyramid scheme)
Dang, she looked good in those videos. Be interesting to see what those 3 years do to her.
After a little reflection, there is an upside to this sentence. Allison renounced Keith and will go on to live her life without him. Allison will be free. While he rots in Tucson.
She can never even communicate with vanguard
That’s gotta burn for Raniere.
Ha ha, Keith!
She cannot communicate with him for 3 YEARS of probation after release. After that, she can reach out to him in prison.
Excellent decision. The judge has a heart and saw the victim.
Allison will be out after 18 months. She has a 36-month sentence and can also take an alcohol abuse/substance abuse treatment program while in Club Fed to get 12 months off her sentence.
With good behavior, Ally Whack will be back on the streets in 18 months.
Your information is a bit outdated. Getting into a federal alcohol/substance abuse program is no longer automatic – and you can only get a 12-month sentence reduction if you are enrolled in a residential program. Unless there was evidence in her Pre-Sentence Report that Allison had an alcohol or substance abuse problem, she will very likely not get into such a program.
Wrong again. That info is not required to be in a PSR. The Defendant can ask for it during sentencing. Or enroll once the person is in the custody of Bureau of Prisons.
I didn’t say it had to be in the Pre-Sentencing Report. I said that unless there was such a reference in there, it would be hard for her to get approved for a residential alcohol/substance abuse program – which is the only type of program that results in any reduction of sentence.
And while you’re correct that any federal prisoner can sign up for an alcohol/substance abuse program, you’re wrong in implying that all of those get approved for residential programs. I don’t know what the exact percentages are but based on my experience, I’d estimate that fewer than 10% of applicants get approved for residential programs. If you have any hard data to the contrary, I’d love to see it.
I love how all the hangers-on jump down Claviger’s throat over semantics….
It’s the scourge of Claviger’s existence.
If I ever face federal charges —. I’m definitely confessing (lying) that I’m an alcoholic,
Questions about alcohol and drug use are a routine part of the interview that The Department of Probation conducts with defendants who plead out and defendants who are found guilty at trial. That’s definitely the time to get such information into the record.
Presently, I am busy drinking, getting all my ducks in a row.
Allison Mack is similar to Margot Kidder in some respects.
Kidder played Lois Lane in some Superman movies.
But Kidder had some mental health issues.
In 2018 Kidder’s health issues led to her death by her own hand.
Here is a picture of our own Nicki Clyne with Kidder 3 years before Kidder’s death.
having a laugh with my canadian compatriot #margotkidder #talkingtrudeau in #belfast
Unbelievably light sentence, however I do think this judge is thinking of future sentencing of others, most notably Lauren Salzman. As for Mack, she got off way to easy considering the crimes she committed
I can’t believe she only got 3 years. That’s crazy. She had the best lawyers plus she can act.
What about Michelle Salzman Loshin Myers? is she getting prosecuted too? And what about where all the money went? Could it have gone to Nancy’s sister Carole Kass Loshin who us the wife of Steve Kass of Tofutti? And what about Lorraine Loshin and Milton Loshin? Money went somewhere…
What about Michelle Salzman Loshin Myers? Is she getting prosecuted too? And what about where all the money went? Could it have gone to Nancy’s sister, Carole Kass Loshin, who is the wife of Steve Kass of Tofutti? And what about Lorraine Loshin and Milton Loshin? The money went somewhere…
What an awesome judge and I’m so happy for alison!
The nicest part is that she didn’t get immediately remanded. The kind judge will let her go home to her family, first. So thoughtful. So nice!
Probably none of my business but I’m absolutely overjoyed!
It really helped me to know that she requested special permission to apologize. Of course anyone in her position probably would have done it, but still? I’m sure if those letters were full of selfish garbage, that judge would not have been so kind.
This nightmare will soon be over for alison and I bet she will actually do amazing things with her life now that she’s no longer under control of that fuckwad.
Her acting career is over.
Her mental health issues make her unemployable.
She needs psychoactive drugs to function.
That is never good news.
In order for movies and TV shows to be made, insurance companies have to issue performance bonds.
It is more expensive to insure performers who have issues with alcohol, drugs and mental health problems.
Even before these crimes were exposed, Allison Mack’s career was on life support.
Allison Mack was known to friends as Ally Wack.
Remember the many mental health issues that surrounded Marilyn Monroe towards the end of her life.
The Judge’s sentencing memorandum essentially ends Allison Mack’s acting career.
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Yes. We have already seen what you get right with your comments. LOL
She’ll be on The View within 2 years. Guarantee it. She’ll have a book and be on a sitcom with Cosby in 3.
Poor shadowstate, I wonder if he will ever get over Allison. Now that she finally had closure on her case and that she got a light sentence, he can move on with his life. Allison must be relieved and more than happy that she didn’t get 14 years.
Allison Mack will be asking “What kind of appetizers do you want before the first course?”
All of these Nxivm people are going to get out of prison and open up another self-help company/cult and use themselves as victim examples and try to counsel others about their experiences in Nxivm and tell others how to self-help and not join a cult.
Now VULTURE SIGNALER Kris Kook is on India Oxenberg’s IG account and sending a big Heart emoji for India’s statement.
What a joke. But no, Kris Kook never, ever saw anything nefarious at NXIVM. She was only too happy to send her buddy Ally Whack up the river. And dozens of other women, too.
Way to go Kook. Maybe one day you can star in a fantastic and epic movie like Streetfighter. That’s an Oscar-worthy performance right there!
Yeah, it is pretty rich for Kristin to like that IG post. These are all terrible people. Every one of them.
I don’t know if they’re terrible people but they sure are quite hypocritical. India and Kristin (especially India) could’ve been in Allison’s place easily, she was on her way there.
Yeah, it’s pretty ironic that the horrible shyness Kristin joined ESP/NXIVM to overcome doesn’t seem to have been effective regards commenting on this later, horrible situation. It just goes to show, there’s very little integrity in people like this.
Not sure how it shows that she has no integrity. Maybe all that the NXIVM program did was suck money out of her bank account but never actually worked for what she took courses for.
“Kris Kook was only too happy to send her buddy Ally Whack up the river. And dozens of other women, too”
Where did K Kook say she was happy Ally was sentenced?
What did K Kook do that “sent her up the river?”
What did K Kook do that also sent “dozens of other women” up the river?
Who are these “dozens of women” who are going up the river?
Your dislike of K Kook seems to have hurt your communications skills.
You made it clear you don’t like her acting, but what else is she guilty of?
And how much time should K Kook serve for her crimes?
“K Kook” is a figment of his anger-infested, deluded imagination. I wonder if he has a dartboard that he tapes pictures of “K Kook” to. You would think “K Kook” killed his parents and then stole his candy when he was a kid or something. But instead of growing up to become the Batman, he became the “KK Obsessed Man”.
—But instead of growing up to become the Batman, he became the “KK Obsessed Man”.
Takes one to know one, Sultan!
Do you still hang out at the Starbucks near KK’s home hoping she’ll pop in?
Spanky’s Kris Kook dartboard has a hole in it that he uses his one personal dart on.
Is there any difference between being sexually obsessed with Kreuk or sexually obsessed with Sultan?
Kristin Kook being asked if she would take Mack’s place in prison:
I was replying to a post on a Smallville-related forum where her case has been discussed here and there (mostly around the time of her arrest), and when I commented that I thought three years was fair, I had a reply saying that they thought three years was a slap in the face to her victims and that she was depraved for what she did to those women. They linked to a Variety article which was not as complete of the memo as this, but did have some crucial paragraphs towards the end. Given that commenters here are likely to say similar things, I thought I might post my thoughts on this, with a few tweaks from where I had them posted originally.
To anyone who thinks that because of her crimes she should have the book thrown at her:
Note that after the judge points out all of the criminal and harmful things she’s done, he tells her, “I don’t doubt that you were also manipulated and that you also felt captive, even as you were inflicting those very consequences on other women”. This is a major mitigating factor! “It is hard to determine an appropriate sentence for a perpetrator who is also her co-conspirator’s victim.” I’m glad that he recognized that, something few people seem to take into account.
I find a lot of people want to swing one way or the other on this, with a very few wanting her to not serve time and the vast majority wanting her to be locked up for well over a decade (in what would then be maximum security prison). It’s easy to look at her crimes and go, “Throw the book at her!” “Make it a long sentence!” etc. People feel self-righteous doing so, because she is so obviously guilty of her crimes (which sound terrible), and by supporting harsh punishment, we feel like that’s the best thing.
But criminal consequences, as far as I can tell (I’m not in the legal field, so I may well get something wrong here) balance several factors: protection for society from the individual doing further harm (something it’s highly unlikely she would be capable of doing in the future, for a variety of reasons), any non-incarceration consequences (paying fines, doing other tangible things to set things right), (in a multi-defendant case such as this one) whether the criminal has provided valuable help to the government in prosecuting a bigger fish (so to speak) – which she has, whether the criminal can be redeemed and contribute positively to society in the future (something she has been working towards with the support of family and friends who have been able to “have her back” after NXIVM had her mind captive for years), and a sense of justice for the victims. If you think she needs many more years of prison than she was sentenced to, you’re looking only at the last factor and ignoring the rest.
The judge, on the other hand, has clearly looked at all of it, and the memo articulates the complexity of his decision quite well. Her crimes are bad, yes, but she was also a victim as much as a perpetrator (some leniency MUST be considered in that light, otherwise every victim’s experience is denigrated), she is repentant and trying to move on, she provided help to convict Raniere, and society is in no danger from her in the future. Three years is, I think, a reasonable balance between all of that.
And other than giving some of the victims a sense of “ha! she got what’s coming to her” or “she can’t hurt me or anyone else now!” – an emotional sense of satisfaction – how will putting her in prison for well over a decade (as compared to three years) help them? She is in no more danger of hurting anyone should she be released in three years than thirteen (she’s not following after Raniere – nor is she likely to get sucked in anywhere now, with the support and therapy she’s got), and the sense of satisfaction in seeing one’s abuser be punished, while valid (particularly in cases where said abuser is not repentant), will not assist those victims much in moving on with their lives. It does nothing to deal with the effects of whatever abuse they experienced, and if they focus and hold onto that delight in her punishment, it may sour and poison their attitudes towards life. (One of the previous posts here at FR pointed out the benefits of forgiveness for the one doing the forgiving, and a saying I grew up with suggested that holding hate or resentment against someone “is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die”. It’s their choice whether to do so, and in their own time, but I think that saying she needs five times as long of a sentence to feel satisfaction says more about their progress in healing and less about what Allison Mack truly needs for justice to occur.) And in Allison Mack’s case, she’s written letters of apology and (I believe) is truly regretful for her actions. They may never want to deal with her again (and it might be well that they don’t), but it does not benefit them to rejoice gleefully in harsh punishment (that brings out the worst in people), nor does it benefit society as a whole, compared to allowing her a reasonable measure of punishment (three years locked up will probably feel like a lifetime enough) and then giving her the chance to rebuild a life that can contribute to the world rather than harm it.
What I also found interesting were the three conditions for when she is paroled:
1) She can’t contact anyone involved with NXIVM (specifically, who is on a prohibited list). I presume that means she’s forbidden from contacting Nicki Clyne or any others who are still supporters of Raniere. Whether that list also includes her former victims or not, I do not know.
2) She will be required to undergo a mental health evaluation and if necessary, undergo any outpatient treatment (which she has to pay for). (Also, one of the final lines of the memo I noted was this: “The court recommends that the defendant be designated to a Bureau of Prisons facility that provides mental health counseling so that she may continue the course of rehabilitative treatment that she has pursued while on release.” Incentive to keep up with that, so that perhaps she might not need to continue paying for further treatment when her sentence is completed.)
3) She will be required to do 1,000 hours of community service.
#1 is logical; I would have expected that one. I particularly like the inclusion of #2 – that will benefit society far more than another five years in prison. (Just the financial aspect alone – but also the fact that proper treatment might help her to avoid hurting others in the future…) And #3 might show her more beneficial ways to “help people” than self-help cults. Had she gotten sucked into a particular type of charity years ago and thrown herself into that sort of work, she might never have gotten into NXIVM in the first place.
Well, Doranwen, congratulations!!!
You are a bigger superfan than our very own blessed Sultan. You two could commiserate with one another.
Nope, not a superfan. (If you think I am, then you might have some blinders on – perhaps read what I wrote again regarding the sentence and why it’s appropriate?) Just someone who believes in mercy for those who are not irredeemable. Raniere and possibly Clare fit that latter category (no remorse, would do it all again). Allison does not. Harshly punishing someone who has repented because we can and because it feels good to Make Them Pay does no good for society or for the one being punished, and it’s appalling to see how many people gleefully jump on the “send her to prison for years and years” bandwagon, forgetting she was a victim as well as a perpetrator. (Fortunately, the judge took that into account and balanced the competing needs of everyone and everything when handing out the sentence.) To be honest, I pity Allison. She’s wrecked her entire life over this, and it won’t be easy to live with, especially now that she’s able to think a little more clearly about it all. Wouldn’t want to be her in a million years.
I felt a sentence of between 2 to 5 years was fair. So I feel that a 3-year sentence is justice. If Mack behaves, she’ll do about
Allison Mack aided, abetted, and blackmailed 2 women into being raped. Read the victim impact statements!
It’s been my experience that everyone is a victim of something including myself — claiming victimhood is always a feeble excuse for hurting other people.
I apologize for accusing you of being a super fan.
I do think that 3 years does feel like justice, so I’m satisfied with what the judge went with.
Oh yes, I don’t think she’s innocent! Just that her crimes, while terrible, don’t quite deserve the decade plus that some were calling for, when one considers the mitigating factors. She’s had three years of home confinement (while still cushy compared to prison, there WERE restrictions on what she was allowed to do), headed for three years of prison or nearly so (long enough to get her attention – and hopefully some needed psychiatric help to get her head on straight so she hopefully might be able to avoid being sucked into any more cults), and she’s going to be infamous the rest of her life – which in some ways might be the worst punishment for a woman who (from what I can recall) seemed to crave the positive limelight she had as an actress. Her reputation is utterly ruined, she’s lost all credibility and most of her fans (I’m sure there are some who will forgive her anything yet, but they’re few and far between – I pity but definitely do not admire her!)… And that part of her punishment is permanent. That’s not something the judge can affect, but I’m sure it probably was in the back of his mind. (Also a plus – the infamy will act as a preventative; even IF she should get involved in another cult – something I think highly unlikely – she’d have a really hard time recruiting anyone. The simplest of searches for her name will pull all of this up.)
No, I don’t think claiming victimhood is an excuse for hurting anyone – and while some have called her that as a way to excuse everything (I haven’t), I’m not sure she herself ever did claim that (though I could be wrong, if someone can find proof of that). But I do think that she was mentally unstable, that Raniere deliberately preyed on that, and worsened it (the diet he had the women on would have majorly impaired their rational thinking abilities), and that he manipulated her into a lot of it. She still made the choices she did, but I suspect that many of her choices were not made with a clear mind – a state Raniere orchestrated and took advantage of. I don’t think it was quite to the point of “not mentally competent” but we do recognize (even in the often-faulty justice system we have) that the environment and mental state of someone when they make a choice to commit a criminal act should have an impact on the level of punishment those choices deserve, and that’s why I agree with the judge’s decision to give her three years. Enough punishment to be a punishment, but not so much as to feel like a mean-spirited revenge. The conditions he added to it are only a plus, I think.
I think it’s a fair sentence
I can’t believe it’s almost all over. Rainiere, Bronfman and now Mack, poof! Just the Salzmans and Kathy left.
What an ordeal, what a struggle!
And now what? Who to fight against now?
Just loss, emptiness, the true demon…
And…..wait for all the civil suits against the Nxivm people and the company insurances…workers comp…general liability…etc
The judge also ordered her to undergo mental health evaluation and to be assigned to a prison with extended mental health care. And no contact whatsoever with (former) cultmembers ever.
And she was allowed to go home today, unlike Clare. It could have been much, much worse for her. But 3 years in jail is still no joke. Will she appeal?
Judge Garaufis: “ The evidence presented at his trial demonstrated that you were not a begrudging or passive enabler, but rather that you were a willing and proactive ally.”
So much for the idea that she was “brainwashed”. Or a victim. She was Raniere’s “willing and proactive ally.” His “essential accomplice”.
The judge also notes that she was culpable in two counts of extortion and two counts of forced labor and one count of SEX TRAFFICKING, the last count being news to me.
Then, inexplicably and illogically, he tosses all that aside and gives her a token sentence of three years.
Raniere’s essential accomplice, his willing and proactive ally, gets a prison term less than 3% as long as his.
To cap all, the judge gives her a summer vacation. “Go home, chill, you can show up to prison Sept. 29”
This is her punishment for extortion, racketeering, and conspiracy? All forgiven because she said she’s sorry, and wrote five letters of apology? Because she attended community college and took a part time job?
“Then, inexplicably and illogically, he tosses all that aside”, are you serious? You might want to read the memorandum again mate because he gave very clear reasons on why the sentence.
Yeah, in the second part he ignores or contradicts everything he just said in the first part. That’s illogical.
No, forgiven because she is a wealthy, attractive, white lady.
Her family had the resources to pay for Allison to be out on 5 million dollars bond and spend 3 years doing everything possible to prove Allison is rehabilitated. Money being no object.
Now Allison goes back home to enjoy her life before prison. A less wealthy person would have never have left lock up and be on a prison bus right now – or tomorrow morning – to their new home behind a fence.
The question really is… Will she be at church Sunday? or ever again? Hope it wasn’t just for show.
Well, Aristotle? She’s been on home arrest for 3 years, will be in jail for another 3 and then will be on probation for another 3 years after that.
I just hope it’s enough for her to properly recover. Honestly, I was kind of hoping for 5 years and probation. 3 years seems a little too quick and easy. I also hope the $20,000 is a meaningful sum. If her parents just pay it for her then she won’t suffer the gravity of that particular consequence. In my opinion, she should spend quite some time paying that off and living with less. After all, she conned people by “letting them pay her back” for ridiculously expensive “courses”. I hope this will be solved by further restitution.
Nevertheless, I’m still happy for her. She was used really badly by that guy and the judge has given her some hope of a different and better future.
I think that’s pretty great and very much the opposite of how she was treated by keith.
And PS: don’t forget. She’s got a reputation now and people will be watching. I’m sure if she tries anything like this ever again? Her sentence will be much, much worse.
“Then, inexplicably and illogically,,” to you perhaps. To most others, the judge explained, in an excellent manner, why the sentence fits the crime here.
The 3 year sentence is acceptable.
The $20,000 fine is a joke. Mack doesn’t even have to pay restitution.
Feminists complain about the patriarchy, but today it payed-out!
If Mack were a man, or an ugly woman she’d be in prison for the next eight years.
Being a blue-eyed-blond attractive woman pays dividends. I don’t believe in white privilege, I do believe in hot-chick privilege.
Bangkok said the judge has a hard-on for Allison Mack and it appears he is correct.
“I do believe in hot-chick privilege.”
Beauty, status, wealth – three categories of privilege.
True…in real life, hot women get things easier, receive better treatment, and get away with bad behavior more than less attractive people, as long as they’re not total assholes.
But it doesn’t exist for crimes committed for either men or women. Sorry.
—But it doesn’t exist for crimes committed for either men or women. Sorry.
It definitely exists for women…
Attractive women get more money and compensation in insurance defense cases.
The only thing you’re right about is it doesn’t help men.
I for one think it’s a very good sentence. One that doesn’t destroy Alison’s life much more than it already has been, and one that recognizes the crimes and the suffering of the victims. And yes, Alison was also a victim of KR. A simple fact you haters should understand, one among many others, just starve yourself as she did under KR’s order, and tell me if you don’t suffer, like, literally, physically, suffer.
• The defendant shall undergo a mental health evaluation, and if deemed necessary, participate in an outpatient mental health treatment program as approved by the Probation Department. The defendant shall contribute to the cost of such services rendered and/or any psychotropic medications prescribed to the degree she is reasonably able, and shall cooperate in securing any applicable third party payment. The defendant shall disclose all financial information and documents to the Probation Department to assess her ability to pay.
In other words Allison Mac k is bat shit crazy!
Bat shit crazy? Absolutely. All the members of DOS are/were. That’s what happens when you let a bat shit crazy person be your leader.
They should all be ashamed of themselves for making a mockery of human slavery. It’s not a game, and it’s no joke.
But try convincing Nicki Clyne of that. She’ll just give you the all-knowing smirk.
And still no dick pic from Suneel. He apparently thinks DOS practices were totally fine but won’t take the steps necessary to prove that release of “collateral” is no big deal and wasn’t a threat.
Anyway, Danielle might lose her license and if not, her reputation is totally damaged and sounds like Nicki will be dealing with immigration fraud and some civil suits.
I think it’s true, these old statements, “You reap what you sow” and “You will know them by their fruits”.
The fix is in
Bill Cosby released from prison after Pa. Supreme Court overturns sexual assault conviction
PREDATOR’ FREED Bill Cosby flashes PEACE SIGN as he arrives home after being RELEASED from prison when sex assault conviction overturned
Bill Cosby freed from prison, his sex conviction overturned
Cosby accusers speak out against ‘injustice’ after conviction is overturned: ‘He’s a serial rapist’
Bilk Cosby’s attorney is Keith Raniere’s attorney!
I think this is appropriate. I’ve always felt Allison, who did abhorrent things, was also a victim. She committed crimes and has received consequences, but I think Keith Reniere destroyed her. He really broke her and turned her into a shell of a person to do his evil bidding.
Allison and her family had a great triumph today. My congratulations to all of them. They have fought against the current and they have won. In a year and a half she will be working again on what she likes and her life will start again with strength and happiness.
LONG LIVE ALLISON!
It will be more like 28 months before Allison is released from Federal prison to a Halfway House. And that’s assuming she doesn’t do anything to reduce the amount of “good time” she’ll earn while she’s incarcerated.
I guess you are happy with today’s sentencing?
Do you believe the $20,000 fine with no restitution is fair?
Everyone’s waiting for you to weigh in, not just me.
Allison’s sentence is at the low end of what I originally considered to be a fair range (3-5). And given the agreed-upon sentencing guidelines range – which, quite frankly, I’m still puzzled about – Allison should consider herself very fortunate.
Perhaps the biggest winners today are Lauren Salzman and Nancy Salzman because, given Allison’s sentence of 3-years, it’s hard to believe that either of them will get a sentence longer than that. Without knowing what the sentencing guidelines will be in either case, I would now estimate that they’ll each get 2-3 years – with Nancy possibly getting more than Lauren because of her lack of cooperation.
Didn’t Nancy Salzman have loads of cash stashed in her house? Isn’t that something you typically see with criminal organizations? Even before Clare, wasn’t Nancy an actual co-founder who supported and abetted Keith in everything he did?
She lived a fatly padded life with none of the starvation, sex abuse, or master/slave contracts that Allison was subjected to.
Nancy’s own daughter admitted to imprisoning Daniela in a room for 2 years. Lauren was ordered to do so by keith. It would take some serious evidence to convince me that Nancy was unaware of this.
Sure, there’s a strong element here of “the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing”, but there is zero doubt in my mind that Nancy, the Prefect, wasn’t at least somewhat aware of keith’s evil deeds. The grooming and sex with underage or barely legal females. In general, she knew him well. She was his business partner, possibly one-time lover, and knew exactly what the man was like and likely capable of.
She saw what he did to Toni, to Susan, and to others. But she just kept going along with everything.
I’m sorry to say that I have the least amount of sympathy for Nancy.
That woman deserves to feel some of the pain she exacted on so many that came to the organization under her leadership. She should also never, ever be allowed to “help people” ever again.
As for Lauren? Oh, man. She was dragged into all this by her mom and then sexually used by keith.
(And as an aside, I’m dying to know if keith only fucked the mother and Lauren or if he fucked both sisters, too? )
Anyway? Seems like she had a pretty decent friend in Sarah Edmondson. Listening to Sarah speak makes me feel much more kindly towards Lauren. However?
Lauren was also balls deep in DOS and by her own account, a cruel master before DOS even existed. Now that she has developed these personality traits, what will she do?
Will she move on to work in corporate or whatever else and just be that terrible boss that continues to ruin people’s lives and careers? Also, frankly, she’s never had any other kind of job. So, really, what is it she’s supposed to do?
I would have a hard time with this one if I were the judge.
I hope at least she’s still allowed to have a relationship with her mom if she wants it.
Long live Allison?
Excuse me, what????!!!
You seem to have missed a very important element of this trial that explains the folly of glorifying an ordinary human.
Sorry/not sorry if that’s not what you meant because it sounds really terrible.
Is Ally going to Danbury?
Allison will not be going to Danbury (I think that’s where Lauren and Nancy will likely end up — assuming, of course, that they get any prison time). instead, Allison will most likely end up at FCI Dublin or at Victorville FPC.
I also liked her hair!!!
I’m glad she’s had the chance to feel beautiful again and on her own terms. Its a great and flattering cut. Not just “long” like her stupid master demanded (all the way down to her pubic hair).
What a joke. If Allison Mack was Black and not an actress, the Judge would have thrown the book at her.
White Privilege is real in Amerikkka
The term “white privilege” refers to a concept of anti-white discourse created and used by the pseudoscientific critical race theory and in the so-called “whiteness studies” of cultural Marxism to demoralize white people, inducing in them feelings of culpa (white guilt), with the purpose of making them give up more and more certain rights in their own countries and favoring foreigners of other races. It is a demagogic tool that supports the white genocide.
I support affirmative action and the rights of all people regardless of race or sexual identity.
HOWEVER, beliefs such as the following are farcical:
“There is no crime that whiteness has not committed against people of colour…. We must blame whiteness…”
596,670 Union soldiers died for black people to be free.
I guess you can blame whiteness for freeing Black people?!?!?!?
….And liberals wonder why Trump won a term.
Complete and utter bollocks.
I’m not sure if it’s Eubonics or Russian.
Or just stupidity.
However if she was blackish and a great actress who loved torturing other women and having kinky sex with a sweaty white dude, she would be ……..