I am very much against Raniere and Bronfman. I strongly believe the Judge was fully within his discretion to sentence both in the manner he did. The facts supported their convictions. Raniere and Bronfman are monsters.
I have read portions of Raniere’s attorney’s reply to the government’s restitution recommendations. To say that I am dumbfounded and deeply troubled is an understatement. There are people who in no way shape or form were victims in this case asking for $1 million + each in restitution. There are other victims, who didn’t testify, weren’t named at trial, who are more or less unknown by most of the NXIVM community asking for astronomical amounts to be paid for years of future therapies like private yoga, weekly massages, and “crystal healing”.
There is a shamelessness and dishonesty exhibited by some former NXIANS that I feel really sad about. I hope this blog decides to write about the filing in more detail. Victim names do not have to be publicized in the process. This is extremely important information for the NXIVM community at large and all the real victims. Everyone deserves to know what’s happening. Please consider it.
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Another reader, Sherizzy, seems to have deduced that Taboo is really a Nxivm/Raniere supporter in disguise urging us to publish the material.
Sherizzy replied to Taboo:
First, you are clearly a leftover. How would you know which victims were not known by the NXIVM community unless you were part of that community? I have yet to see a Nxian smart enough or clever enough to convincingly pass as a neutral observer. So, stop the “monster” BS act. It’s insulting to FR readers.
Second, you have only read Raniere’s reply, not the government’s papers. Your opinion, therefore, is not based on all of the available information. Add that to your bias as a NXIVM leftover, and your “conclusion” is worthless. Regardless, Judge Garaufis will determine which individuals have valid claims. He has the experience in these matters, you do not.
Only someone in Raniere’s corner would want this information made public. Judge Garaufis issued a protective order for a reason. Even if names are not listed, it may still be possible for Raniere to figure out the identities of the victims from the nature of their claims.
[Editor’s note: Raniere is entitled as the defendant to know all of their names and all of their claims. That is due process.]
Any information about their claims, especially anything regarding medical and health issues, needs to remain confidential. Not only to comply with HIPAA laws but also to prevent these victims from being harassed and intimidated by you and your culties.
Indeed, that was the sole purpose of this leak. I can easily see Nicki Clyne, who fails to understand the meaning of empathy and compassion, posting damaging tweets about these victims. She has no shame.
I also don’t think Frank should publish anything contained in the Reply. It is so disrespectful to the victims. Even if the individuals are not Raniere’s sexual assault victims, listing their names would give Raniere clues as to their identity, and, generally, violate the privacy that Judge Garaufis found was warranted.
[Editor’s note: Again Raniere knows their identities. He has to know so he and his attorneys can contest the claims. This is the most basic form of due process- the right to confront your accusers. And,, of course, he gets to read his own attorneys’ filings.]
I think the victims have suffered enough under Raniere’s rule. At least, let’s respect their private financial and medical information.
So, Taboo, I suggest you not worry about the alleged “shamelessness and dishonesty” you find in the victims’ claims, and, instead, look at your own shamelessness and dishonesty, beginning with your pathetic attempt to pass as impartial on FR. Look instead at Raniere’s heinous crimes, his abuse of his position of authority and his damaging lies. Clearly, he has no shame and will do anything to satisfy himself sexually and monetarily.
Any victim of Raniere deserves to be fully compensated in the post-conviction proceedings and the civil case. You claim to fully believe in Judge Garaufis’ discretion, so don’t worry yourself with matters that you have already deemed the judge to be well-qualified to determine.
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Anonymous replied to Taboo also, but he or she agreed with Taboo and apparently has read the filing and wants us to publish it;
Anonymous wrote:
There are people who in no way shape or form were victims in this case asking for $1 million + each in restitution. There are other victims, who didn’t testify, weren’t named at trial, who are more or less unknown by most of the NXIVM community asking for astronomical amounts to be paid for years of future therapies like private yoga, weekly massages, and “crystal healing”.
Oddly enough, I am in complete agreement with you.
Money damages are for “damage” not bullshit.
All these stories have elements of the corruption in this story. https://frankreport.com/2019/08/06/levens-v-levens-philip-levens-lawyer-provides-evidence-that-he-did-not-beat-girlfriend/
Asking whether to publish the material is an excellent audience engagement strategy.
I think it’s fairly simple. It is probably illegal to publish it so don’t publish and obey the law.
I do think some of the still-faithful have no idea what financial losses other have suffered – and might think some restitution claims are too much. I doubt any money people actually get goes anywhere towards their real losses: e.g., of 20 years of persecution in some cases or child support over a child’s whole lifetime.
What exactly do you think is “illegal” about the publication of a document that was previously published by a branch of the U.S. government?
It’s a hit list – no different than those provided to NXIVM consultants over decades – such as Frank once was himself – and one replete with a data feast of medical info, allegations, etc. for Bronfman and Salinas funded sharks and flying monkeys to feed on.
Don’t do it, Frank.
Jimmy here, I enjoy your reporting. Please put me on the list.
Publish the information but list the names as John Doe # whatever or Jane Doe #whatever.
This is the protocol followed by Neil Glazer in the lawsuit he filed against NXIVM and its leaders.
SARAH EDMONDSON; TONI NATALIE; :
JANE DOES 1-13, JANE DOES 15-39, :
JANE DOES 41-60; MARK VICENTE; :
JOHN DOES 1-17, and JOHN DOES 19-20, :
: CIVIL ACTION
Plaintiffs,
https://kohnswift.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/EdmondsonComplaintFiled.pdf
Simple Problem, Simple Solution
“There is a shamelessness and dishonesty exhibited by some former NXIANS that I feel really sad about. I hope this blog decides to write about the filing in more detail. Victim names do not have to be publicized in the process.”
Firstly, my deepest condolences on your “sadness”. It must be so difficult to witness this degree of dishonesty, although I’m honestly surprised that 4 years of Trump did not adequately prepare you for such a situation.
Second, if the leaked names are not published, then exactly what information contained in this document do you think the Frank Report should publish?
Please publish the restitution filings in its entirety. Given the credible complaints of immoral behaviors by the prosecution (suborning perjury, witness intimidation, lying to the press, using character assassination as its primary argument, etc.), it is important for their work to be open for the public to investigate for fraud.
You dead-enders are always easy to spot.
IMHO, FR should NOT publish the entirety of the claims. This, on the basis of possible LARPing, and KR’s modus operandi, to highlight one error and claim the rest is also without merit. We’ve seen examples of that way of thinking in many of Suneel’s arguments, for example. Also, there is the possible targeting of all claimants by social media, which would add injury to injury. The victims who deserve compensation do deserve it, the ones who make outlandish claims will be weeded out by KR’s lawyers, no doubt, and judge G does not seem like someone to put up with crazy claims from either defendants or claimants. Let other publications publish if they deem it ethical, FR has enough of a solid reputation not to be chasing headlines and providing ‘clickbaits’ and spurious speculations. Respect the Judge’s request for it being Under Seal. If the info leaks out anyway, then you can provide additional background if you have facts to support or counter the claims, not opinion.
This “accidental” filing, like KAR’s letters to his former acolytes here on the Frank Report, is all part of a plan to sow doubt, pain, keep people from revealing truth and ensure the money continues to flow into his appeals.
Its really just a question if Frank wants to assist.
I’m sure he will to a large degree (though not publish names). Too much advertising revenue for this website is at stake.
It’s capitalism, folks. Love it or leave it.
True.
Who can judge how various individual people who want recompense from Raniere, etc. really were affected, either mentally, psychologically, financially or in other ways?
Maybe it is better to respect the anonymity wherever the judge has set it in place. He had his reasons.
There is enough else to mull over without naming names or medical info, addresses and how to reach any of them.
Crystal work and yoga therapy, huh? What about a girl’s “best friend,” throw in some goodies like the healing power of
DIAMONDS? Rubies too, might be not only highly therapeutic but necessary.
“Who can judge how various individual people who want recompense from Raniere, etc. really were affected, either mentally, psychologically, financially or in other ways?”
So many people raise this kind of question thinking it is profound. It is not. The answer is simple and plain: anyone with the capacity to exercise judgement can judge. Will that judgement be perfect? Nope. Such is life.
Not exercising judgement is how people get involved in sadistic sex cults.
In this case, Judge Garaufis can and will judge the restitution claims. Period.
What kind of a backhanded jerkoff are you?
If I want to be “profound” or not is not up to you to JUDGE.
This commentary from me was a simple observation, and you have loaded it with your very own personalized shit. This is not an effective way to try crapping on anyone, twisting words to fit your agenda, whatever the fuck it is. As life comes in many forms, I happen to have been born a tigress. You will get popped if I decide to take a moment and use a minimal amount of mental aikido to respond to dismalness at all.
Do not try telling me what the quality of my thoughts are. You have no such insights. Or go ahead: be an asshole and try to weave your unfortunate personal projections more aptly and in a way that is less weak and transparent.
It always comes out eventually, as does the judgementalism lurking behind the command not to judge.
Judged I have and judge I will. As have you and as will you.
Of course, you have a right to feel your feelings, including your anger, and to say whatever you like, including calling me names like “asshole.” It is an impressive debating tactic.
Please grace us all with one of your epic stream-of-consciousness rants. Show us your claws tiger woman! Let us hear you ROAR!
Not to mention Gold and Platinum.
Seems obvious that Frank should publish the relevant and newsworthy part of the released documents. Technically, the names are too but I think it’s a long “tradition” to hold back names in such circumstances.
What is being asked for? How was that countered? Does the doc show potential new defense arguments and, if so, what? It’s part of the case, whose documents and testimony have long been revealed and discussed and, as such, this is part of that regardless if the release was accidental or not.