Dr. Antonia Novello, former NXIVM student.

Blast from the Past: NXIVM endorsements ring hollow today

The following “Testimonials” were used to promote NXIVM on their website  They have been removed for years.

I found most of these on the Wayback Machine while looking for information for a New York Post story that appeared today.

I should include the disclaimer that these testimonials came from people who took courses early on in the evolution of NXIVM/ESP – and they are not to be taken as an indication that any of these people would endorse the cult’s current practices.

My comments are [in bold and brackets.] The headlines above the testimonials are mine.   

Incredibly valuable

Steve Sullivan 
CEO, Olde Bryan Inn & Longfellow’s Restaurant/Hotel

The course was incredibly valuable and a life-enriching experience. Would absolutely recommend to anyone who is interested in enhancing their personal growth.

[I was told Steve Sullivan tried to have his testimonial removed from the NXIVM website. Evidently Keith Raniere refused.]

 

Made life more powerful

Barbara J. Bouchey, CFP
CEO, Barbara Bouchey Asset Management, Inc.

Recently, I attended the two-week intensive program that greatly impacted my ability to relate to people and life more powerfully than any other program I have ever taken. Although I have achieved a certain level of success, there have been times in my life when my beliefs have limited me.

This course has changed my life both personally and professionally. As a businessperson, the enhancement of my skill in relating to my clients more effectively has been tremendous. I emphatically recommend this program to all people who would like to have a deeper, more meaningful experience of life – both personally and financially. I suspect it will be one of the most empowering and affirming experiences of your life!

[Barbara, as most readers know, was a lover of Keith Raniere’s at the time she wrote this. Later she left him, and he pursued her rather vigorously in court, suing her repeatedly and getting her indicted with the aid of Clare Bronfman’s perjury. The charges were later dismissed.]

Phenomenal!

Sandy Padilla
CEO, America Works

Phenomenal! A lifetime of major issues crystallized and dealt with in laser-like fashion. The program spearheaded me into action, unparalleled to anything I’ve ever experienced before. Run, don’t walk, just do it!

I had a broken ankle and three days into the intensive, I was able to remove my splint and put my cane away. This was two weeks early! Also, I noticed after the intensive that a large bone spur on my foot that had irritated me for 15 years went away and hasn’t bothered me since.

[Sandy is married to Dr. Michael Salzman and stepmother of Lauren and Michelle Salzman. Michael and Sandy were shunned by NXIVM because they refused to fire Nina Cowell. One commenter of Frank Report wrote: “Sandy Padilla left Nxivm before 2008. She is married to Michael Saltzman (dad of Lauren & Michelle) and neither her or Michael have spoken to anyone in the group since 2010. Nancy threatened them for having relationships with other defectors, stating, ”You will lose your daughters if you don’t disassociate from people who left Nxivm”. Lauren and Michelle shunned them and never spoke to them again. It was heartbreaking for them.”]

Highly Recommend it to everyone

RedcomDr. Michael Salzman
Physician, Internal Medicine/Anti-Aging

[Dr. Salzman was once married to Nancy and is the father of Lauren and Michelle. His daughters shunned him preferring to be loyal to Keith Raniere.]

The two-week program provided me with unbelievable clarity and tremendous insight on issues I face in the world and in my personal life. It is amazing to me the difference in how much mor energy I have in the day, not to mention, the greater enjoyment and appreciation of life in general. Additionally, my efficiency in surgery has been raised to a much higher level with much shorter operating time. My communication skills with my patients and staff are far more improved. I would highly recommend Executive Success Programs to anyone.

I recently completed the most enjoyable two-week intensive program at the school. It is the only technology of its kind offering genuine improvement and clinical success. The program is gentle and respectful, while being unique and highly effective for permanent change. So many of my professional colleagues and patients are equally pleased.

As a result of persistency andcoaching, I’ve benefited from exercise and jogging. I ran in a 5k road race -my first ever. I am now weight training, something I’ve admired in others. I like the new changes in my physical wellness, general energy level, and positive emotions. I am 55 years old.

Enhance my quality of life

Anthony Ianniello
Ianniello, Anderson & Reilly, P.C.

I soon discovered that the course was very thought provoking and intellectually stimulating. It proved to be a weekend of engaging conversation and learning. Those who do not enjoy stimulation of the mind and the company of challenging instructors need not apply. I believe the purpose of this program is to introduce new concepts and skills in human potential. Concepts learned which will improve my skills and choices. This program is a new and wonderful way for me to expand my perception of people and to develop skills that will enhance my quality of life. Others have and will feel the same way. I look forward to taking more of your programs.


I better understand why I act the way I do

Dr. John B. Waldman
Professor of Neurological Surgery,
Albany Medical College

The program has provided me with tools to examine my behavior, values, and code of conduct. Now, I better understand why I act the way I do and this understanding gives me more choices to make better decisions. I have a broader range of emotions that enrich my life, yet these emotions do not drive my behavior or decisions. I have a greater understanding of what is required to have mutual, fulfilling relationships with my children and spouse. I highly endorse this program for individuals who value personal growth, improved productivity, and deeper meaning in their relationships. It will empower you to make those changes that are currently only in your dreams.

Everyone should take the course

Dr. Eric Riccario
Physician, Albany Cardiothoracic Surgeons P.C.

I think one of the greatest benefits I got from this program is having a clearer sense of how people interact with each other and a fuller understanding of how they think and feel. With that, I have a better grasp of people I deal with. As for my patients, I can now understand more of what the underlying cause of their illness may be along with the physical illness. My skill at learning and understanding what their true needs might be is far more enhanced than it was before. I guess I feel indebted to the school for the tremendous value and benefit I got in advancing myself, and also, humankind. That’s why I feel everyone should take this course. As a physician, I feel that my abilities and talent have been greatly augmented by this technology and feel that everyone should take this course. 

Helps you to look at inner self

Lydia Sotto
Director of HIV/Aids Research, National Institute of Health

I was really impressed with how the training helps you to look at your inner self. How surprising to learn that things you don’t know about yourself can cause you to react to situations in certain ways. I am more cognizant of the causes for my own impatience with others, and I realized that a good portion of my frustration was due to recognizing things in others that I have some of too. It helped me a lot with my teenage son and making him more responsible because I learned not to take responsibility for him. I think most people should take this program, and my colleagues were very much impressed with the information.

Improved my relationship with children

Peter Fallon
CEO, Fallon Pharmacy

After being in the program only a few months, it gave me the ability to deal with business matters much more effectively and efficiently. As for my personal life, it has tremendously improved my relationship with my children as far as understanding them better. I would strongly recommend the course to anyone.

[Barbara Bouchey told a story in one of her depositions incourt about how Peter Fallon left NXIVM. He and his teenage daughter had beenNXIVM students. Falon went to a NXIVM Halloween Party and was shocked to see Ranierewas dressed in a bathrobe with an artificial penis hanging out. Fallon observedRaniere flirting with his teenage daughter. Observing Raniere’s interchangeswith the partygoers, he came to realize that Raniere was probably having sexwith many of the women at the party. He withdrew his daughter and himself fromthe group.]

ESP taught me how to ethically and morally succeed

Dr. Edward Kinum
Chiropractor

I’ll admit that I was skeptical at first, for several reasons. My main concern was that I might be getting involved with some New Age/self-help course that would be inconsistent with my Christian beliefs. I have never regretted my decision to become involved with ESP. It has given me some of the most powerful tools for effecting positive changes in my life that I’ve ever experienced. I used to feel like I was the only one playing by the rules- ESP taught me how to ethically and morally succeed in a world that does not play fair. I was worried about the monetary investment-the course paid for itself in the first week! My schedule is extremely full and active. I had no idea how I would find the time-but I’m making the time for ESP. Everybody needs to take this program. When one of the top three problem solvers on the planet creates a technology that gives us the tools to optimize our own potential, what excuse can there be for not taking advantage of such an opportunity? How can anyone rationalize saying ‘no’?

[Ed Kinum did not disclose he was then a teacher for NXIVM. He was to quit NXIVM and managed to get out without being sued. He was the proctor at the NXIVM intensive – along with Esther Chiappone Carlson – in Anchorage Alaska – when Kristin Snyder disappeared.]

I have new way of thinking about life!

Jeffrey M. Levine, J.D., CFP, L.L.M.
CEO, Financial Consultant, Inc.

Upon completing the two-week program, I have a new way of thinking about life! Now, there are more choices to live my life, whereas before, it was I who created these limitations in my own mind. When I wake up now it’s exciting to know that I do have these choices, which give me peace of mind, security, confidence, and an overall, good feeling about myself. You discover more about yourself and where you’ve been held back. My potential seems unlimited now since the program, and the barriers have been lifted from my life! I now realize opportunities available I never saw before. Absolutely recommend this for everybody. As a matter of fact, I can’t think of anybody whose life wouldn’t be dramatically transformed.

ESP gave life back to her

Joyce Chupka
Director Strategic Planning, NYS Department of Health

How do you express in words your gratitude when a program gives a person their life back? Thank you.

[Several people from the NYS Department of Health attended NXIVM courses, I believe, on taxpayer dime.]

‘Absolutely’ recommends NXIVM

Nancy Smith
CEO, Saratoga Signature Designs

My feeling about the program was really a shedding of armor. Sometimes in today’s world, we get really protective and it becomes detrimental. I found this program allowed me to see other people differently, but most importantly, have a whole new understanding of myself. It is amazing to me that things I used to react to negatively before simply do not bother me now. I would absolutely recommend this program to others.

NXIVM permeates everything

Susan Miller
CEO, Goold Orchards

I really found out things about myself that really made sense. We all have baggage we carry around and don’t talk about or examine. That’s the big key to change. The program was very powerful for me in looking at these things. The program not only affects your personal life, but it’s global and permeates everything. What I got from the program was that I found out that life is all about choice. I used to get angry and stuck before. Now, I’ve learned how to make choices and get past it. It seems so simple but it is extremely powerful. The more you learn about your choices, the healthier and happier you will be. This program is the most interesting and powerful thing I have ever done and I look forward to going each week.

A tool for humankind

Dennis Sentmer, CPA
Financial Protection/Taxes/Investing

I have gained a better insight into myself and the human condition. Executive Success Programs is not just an executive tool, but also a tool for all humankind. (I leave the intensive program, armored with the tools for a full “integrated” life and the comfort of knowing there is finally promise of hope for humankind!)

Cured my stomach 

Louise Gundrum
Executive VP

(Facing major surgery I participated in an intensive two-week course that allowed me the time, space, tools, and safety to re-examine my life. It will never be the same.) I’m a better person,parent, spouse, and employee – more confident, productive, and energized. Most importantly, these skills have been integrated as permanent changes and haven’t disappeared, now six months after we’ve finished the program.

For the past five years I have had a nonfunctional stomach valve, which I am now managing without any daily medication versus recommended surgery and seven medications that I was taking daily. Since taking the 16-day intensive program, I have discovered the source of my stress, and I now am able to control and rid myself of it. I also had endometriosis, high cholesterol, and diabetes, which are now gone.

Doubled my income

Dawn Morrison
Advertising, WGNA Radio

My life is forever changed as a result of being a part of Executive Success Programs. It is the best thing I have ever done for myself! I’ve taken many sales training and personal growth programs, and I will say this is the only one that has lasting effects – it really works. Why? Because it got to the root cause of why I wasn’t maximizing my potential. Numbers in a salesperson’s world are concrete proof of performance and for me, I doubled my income because of what I learned in Executive Success Programs.

[When she wrote this, Dawn was one of Raniere’s lovers, yet she makes no mention that she was one of the harem of the founder of the courses. She left her advertising job at WGNA and started a car detailing business.She was with Raniere for 20 years.]

Communication techniques sharper

Steve Schloika
Accountant

I think ESP has reopened my eyes and mind to the world around me again. My communication techniques are much sharper- I pay more attention to all the responses? Overall, thanks, it’s been interesting, fun, and rewarding.

Positive changes are endless

Shelley Bullock
Insurance Agent

The positive changes that this has had on my life are endless. I have increased my sales per capita by two per week. I have been able to get more done in less time by focusing on real work vs. virtual work, be more physically active, and make major progress and major changes in both my relationship with my parents and my significant other. The majority of this all occurred within the first three months of starting class.The icing on the cake was the overwhelming support, not only from the instructors but also other group members, as you go through these life-changing and sometimes scary events. I highly recommend it!

Love the new me

J. Mark Drexel
Nuclear Engineer, ConEdison

The challenges of the world and their effect on me have been eased through the teachings and practices of Executive Success Programs. I love the new and improved me!

Absolutely the nicest people 

Diane O’Connor-Easton
Marketing Director, Advertising Agency

Executive Success Programs has helped me build my self-confidence and self-esteem. I feel much more able to undertake certain challenges that once seemed very daunting – even impossible. Executive Success Programs as a whole is very motivational-plus, the groups are absolutely the nicest people I’ve ever met!

Best program available

Christine Collins
Behavioral Management Specialist

This program is the single, most important aspect to my growth professionally, emotionally, and cognitively. Coming to class on a regular basis provides me with structure and feedback. This is the best program available with the most incredible, resourceful, knowledgeable leaders.

My stress level is almost nonexistent. I realize I don’t need to be sick in order to get attention!

[Christine Collins was Nancy Salzman’s understudy and disciple before ESP was created. At one time Christine was considered for a top teaching role but did not make the grade for she was not skinny enough. Collins does not disclose she was a paid teacher for NXIVM when she wrote this testimonial.]

My life turned around

Barbara Owens
Special Education Teacher

When I began Executive Success Programs, I was an emotional mess. I was going through a difficult time in my life, and my emotions were literally controlling me. I was allowing myself to be a victim to everything and everyone. After my first ESP module, my life virtually turned around- I realized that I was in control of my emotions and that I could choose to remain a victim or NOT! My life is 100% better today -not perfect, but well on the way.

A grassroots movement

Clark J. Shaughnessy
Architect

I’ve gained a heightened interest in thinking about my position on ethics and am feeling (new) that it’s still worthwhile and exciting to think about when in the company of similar questioners and thinkers – I enjoy seeing other people in the group excited about listening and contributing and the feeling of being in a grassroots movement that is evolving.

Helped me communicate with my wife

Drew Aiello
Mortgage Broker

Executive Success Programs has helped me be more open when I communicate instead of holding everything inside.It has helped me a great deal in my personal life, especially communicating with my wife. I have been able to understand people better, which in turn has enabled me to deal with them better. Although, it is new to me, I do see how the modules translate into a more successful life for me both personally and in business.

My patient was cured of scoliosis

Gordon H. Grannis, D.C.

I have a patient that I have been treating for several years because of persistent scoliosis. After going through the program, I was very surprised to see the external evidence of her lower back scoliosis entirely gone. Originally, her left lower back muscles were one half inch more prominent than the right. At present, there is perfect symmetry of the muscles in the area. Any degree of improvement in adult scoliosis is rare,therefore, my patient’s change is very unusual and a first in my 20 years of practice.

Cured of scoliosis

Jeanne Higgins

Despite numerous spinal surgeries since childhood for scoliosis and kyphosis, at age 52, I was still left with a hunchback and stooped posture. While attending the two-week intensive, I had a major structural change take place in my spine as a result of Rational Inquiry™. The top and lower sections of my spine rotated and straightened. My posture has completely changed. My chiropractors and doctors were shocked and amazed. I have attended many seminars and therapy sessions over the years but I never experienced the positive, permanent results I received from Rational Inquiry™ – changes in my thought patterns and behaviors, as well as physical changes. I will be forever grateful for my new and improved body, mind, and spirit!

[This is one of the ironies of NXIVM. People have claimed they got well. I spoke with a woman who said her Tourette’s Syndrome was cured by NXIVM. She left the group and won’t return because of its cult practices,yet how can she not feel appreciation for NXIVM?  Could she have cured herself otherwise? This is hard to say.]

Migraines went away

Rebecca Freeman

I have had severe migraines at least twice a month for the past 20 years and since attending the 16-day intensive, I have been migraine free. It has been over five months pain free!

[Rebecca is another example of a person who praised NXIVM then later left. She was able to leave without being attacked. Rebecca was Barbara Bouchey’s employee and remained for a time after Barbara left NXIVM.]

Stopped needing eyeglasses

Matthew Mu

I stopped wearing reading glasses after depending on them for over four years. I learned how and when I unfocused my eyes, and I learned how to refocus.

[Mathew Mu was an early NXIVM member and a photographer, videographer. He left years ago. He may have seen some suspicious behavior during his time there, especially since he filmed Raniere. One thing is curious. Mu claims he threw away his glasses and improved his eyesight through NXIVM.  Raniere claimed he could do the same for himself with his technology – but did not have the time – so busy was he working for the NXIVM mission. Rather than throw away his own eyeglasses, reportedly someone in prison stole them and Raniere had to get prison-issued glasses. The prescription evidently was wrong and he has been having a hard time seeing. One would think that with all the time he has on his hands in prison he would learn to cure his own eyesight – with NXIVM technology.]

Pain went away after 20 minutes of Nancy

Jory Waldman

As a three-sport varsity athlete in high school and college, I have suffered from shin splints for the past 10 years. After one 20-minute session with Nancy Salzman, I have continued to run with no pain.”

Stopped grinding teeth

Scott Wasser

Rational Inquiry™ helped me conquer my TMJ. After two weeks, I stopped grinding my teeth and having terrible headaches. I’ve done lots of other types of programs (including hypnosis) and believed I would sleep with a mouth guard my whole life. Well no more! Thanks to Executive Success Programs. I have a new lease on life.

Menstrual cycles became pain free

Carole Bergeron

I am more ‘at cause’ around health choices and find I have increased energy, am more focused, and am able to sleep deeply at night. My periods became regular, pain free, and no longer caused me fatigue.

 I was touched by change

Antonia C. Novello, MD, MPH, NYS Commissioner of Health/Former US Surgeon General

The Executive Success Program was very good, it brought people together to think out of the box; coming up with ideas you’ve never thought of and redefining words that previously had no meanings. I learned how to relate to people more on my level and learned more about how people interact with each other . . . People should take this program as a way to learn how to relate to others people more effectively. This program causes you to realize how tied in you are to your own beliefs and how to comfortably incorporate change. People might not want to think outside of the box, but this program is a way of bringing people together to do just that. We all have a fear of the unknown, and at the end of the program, you realize many people think the same way. After taking the program, you’ve been touched by change.

[Novello was the former US Surgeon General and at the time she took the NXIVM courses she was NYS Commissioner of Health. She was enthused enough with the classes to have gotten taxpayers to foot the bill for her staff to take the pricey courses.]



Understand my patients better

Dr. Eric Roccario,

Physician, Albany Cardiothoracic Surgeons P.C.

I think one of the greatest benefits I got from this program is having a clearer sense of how people interact with each other and a fuller understanding of how they think and feel. With that, I have a better grasp of people I deal with. As for my patients, I can now understand more of what the underlying cause of their illness may be, along with the physical illness. My skill at learning and understanding what their true needs might be is far more enhanced than it was before. I guess I feel indebted to the school for the tremendous value and benefit I got in advancing myself, and also, humankind. That’s why I feel everyone should take this course. As a physician, I feel that my abilities and talent have been greatly augmented by this technology and feel that everyone should take this course.

Amazing new energy, and enjoyment of life

Dr. Noelle Nielsen, Partner, Women’s Care in OB-GYN

The two-week program provided me with unbelievable clarity and tremendous insight on issues I face in the world and in my personal life. It is amazing to me the difference in how much more energy I have in the day, not to mention, the greater enjoyment and appreciation of life in general. Additionally, my efficiency in surgery has been raised to a much higher level with much shorter operating time. My communication skills with my patients and staff are far more improved. I would highly recommend the Executive Success Program to anyone.

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In conclusion I think it is fair to suspect that many of those who gave these endorsements were writing genuine and honest impressions at the time of what they thought and believed. People learn and change their views.

I would welcome the comments of anyone quoted above to give their updated views on NXIVM.

I recognize also that it is possible that some of the people have been misquoted or that they may have tried unsuccessfully to correct the record or remove their testimonials.

Raniere may have chosen not to remove their testimonials.

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Frank Parlato is the founder of the FrankReport, publisher and editor-in-chief of Artvoice, The Niagara Falls Reporter, Front Page and the South Buffalo News.

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  • Keith’s Dad was a Madison Avenue exec. In fact, he repped the Seagram’s 7 (Bronfman co.) account. Keith knew a lot of sales tricks.

    “Testimonials” are a great advertising tool. But in an “MLM” business structure, where nearly everyone is a sales rep for the business, how impartial are these endorsements?

    Further, people might make contributions, attend a seminar or put in a good word to placate or help a friend better their standing in a pyramid structure.

    Finally, IMO, there is such a thing as “mind over matter,” faith or a positive outlook that may well help with healing some illnesses. Where Nx helped people have faith in THEMSELVES and God or nature, a curative force, they may have helped cure some disorders, illness or diseases, IDK.

    Where Nx made claims they, alone, could cure an illness with Keith’s costly “rational inquiry” tech and prevented Nx “clients” from obtaining needed psychological or medical treatment, they perpetrated a deadly fraud. IMO.

  • The healing the sick testimonials are somewhat difficult to believe. Obviously if NXIVM had been around in the Middle Ages the death toll of the Black Death would have diminished considerably. 😉. Did some followers believe that Vanguard was the second coming.?

  • I was there very early on, way back before the Forbes article, Bronfman’s, Dalai Lama, Times Union series, Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack.

    I took 1 seminar/intensive which has assisted me in getting clearer on my life’s purpose but felt no need to keep going. Despite having been a doctor, I don’t recall being pressured to give a testimonial.

    I had lost touch completely until I read an article last Spring about Raniere and Nx and I began to ask myself questions. What drew me to Nx? What unconscious reasons did I have for seeking it out? What qualities did I share Nx leaders and members that drew me? All of a sudden I felt re-enrolled and was asking deep questions about the past. I felt horrified.

    FR has been useful in putting my experience in perspective, dropping shame about having gone to Nx and yet, keeping the positive things I got from the experience. There was good there.

    • Thanks, Double.
      In your short time with them, did you feel manipulated by their “teaching” methods?
      Or, now looking back, do you see manipulation that you missed then?
      And looking back, do you understand how others could be dragged in deeper than you were?
      Again, thanks

      • Personally, I am very resistant to manipulation. I use good boundaries and if something doesn’t feel right I decline the invitation or find some way to say, no. I don’t (normally) get into the victim role. Others sense this; and they are unlikely to ask me to do things that are unsafe, unethical, manipulative etc.

        I just took the course straight on as I have taken other courses. On the other hand, you bring up a good point. There are those that are not so fortunate as I who seek approval at all costs and who lose themselves in pleasing others. They may not know who they are deep down. It is these people that are very vulnerable.

        Lastly, I don’t think I paid very good attention to whether other course members would be continuing or not. I assumed if they made that choice they knew what they were getting into. However, from what I know now, I can see that is not true at all! What a nightmare for those who deeply invested themselves, gave up their lives, moved to Clifton Park/Knox Woods (yecch!) and didn’t do something great with their lives. Life is for living; it cannot be done in a protective community. One needs to take on the world with one’s projects. My journey has been interesting. There has always been a consistent thread. My interest in healing, anthropology and art have been woven throughout almost a 50 year career. Some things very successful, some things still in process but I am always getting better and I am thankful for that.

  • What is the story on Nancy’s ex husband? Was he still married to her when he posted tlhis endorsement or did they split amicably before her involvement with KR?

  • A lot f the worst aspects of NXIVM, the branding of women for example, only were established in the last few years.
    People who took the courses in the early 2000s knew nothing of that.
    NXIVM’s evil accelerated after 2009 when the Bronfman sisters and their Flying Monkeys took over.

    • No, DOS was initially created in 2015 and was exposed by Frank in June 2017. Not over many years. NXIVM was a known sex cult before DOS.

      • – NXIVM was a known sex cult before DOS.

        No it wasn’t. It was never labelled a “sex cult” in any media publication or tabloid until the public revelation of DOS. At most it was labelled a “cult”, and when done so, the term was placed in quotes.

        • Go away Sultan. Stop butting in again. Keith Raniere didn’t label himself a pedophile either, doesn’t mean he is not one. Raniere fucked so many female students and had others find him new conquests, years before DOS. Many people knew it was happening in the cult, i.e. sex cult. The press didn’t have to call it a sex cult for it to be called a “sex cult”, “cult” or “criminal organisation”.

          • The media only use quotation marks to protect themselves
            from lawsuits, people who speak then say so-called to express
            what others say about the person, company, organisation, but
            don’t dare to join, but mostly think it in the same way.

  • Would love to hear comments from those listed above. Some have crazy stories… Most had zero clue about the inner workings of ESP/NXIVM and didn’t stay involved for very long. NXIVM pressured everyone for testimonials – usually asking when the person was in a peak state and open to helping. If you had a “Title”, were an athlete, or had “Dr” in your name, they REALLY wanted a testimonial.

    Is Mark Drexel the guy who gave Toni the weapon and told her that’s what she’d used to kill him in her past Nazi life? If yes, I’m calling him out for a comment.

  • – [Several people from the NYS Department of Health attended NXIVM courses, I believe, on taxpayer dime.]

    No wonder they did nothing about the branding complaints of Sarah Edmondson.

  • If you knew about anything bad about NXIVM, such as Keith Raniere was a pedophile and rapist, he was fucking his students, had females recruiting other females for him to fuck (sex cult), money laundering, tax evasion, lawsuit terrorism, etc., and you still stayed on and supported the cult, you don’t get to play the victim card or pretend you are squeaky clean. People knew NXIVM was a cult years ago. Even if the branding/collateral part that only lasted two years didn’t happen, NXIVM was still a cult and you knew it. Keith Raniere is a cunt, but if you were knowingly involved with a group that you knew did bad, illegal and unethical things, you are deserving of criticism too. Punishments all round.

    • Most people did not know about the illegal and unethical things going on. Most left when they found out. The comment about Ed Kinnum leaving and somehow not getting sued is spot on. Once in deep and you’d seen the red flags, it was a challenge to quietly eject.

      • The word “If”. IF you knew. What about those who knew bad stuff and didn’t care? Those who left because they discovered bad stuff is something else. A lot of people stayed on and wanted to stay on.

        If you were named in the Times Union expose in 2012 as a cult member (Kristin Kreuk, Allison Mack, Nicki Clyne, Mark Vicente, etc.) that revealed Keith Raniere raped little girls and had his female students pimp girls and women out for him and you stayed on, that’s bad. If you were named in a lawsuit for assisting and/or profiting from NXIVM criminal activity (including the above-listed) that’s bad. Many people quit NXIVM because they did not want to be around all that. Others chose to stay on. If people seriously wanted to leave, that would have left. Mark Hildreth was named in the lawsuit in 2012 and he knew why. No way in hell he wanted to leave the cult because of it. When there are so many warning signs and red flags for years and years and they are still cult members, no sympathy for them.

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