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Source: 8 Hale was NO sex lair — your stories resemble a mini-Dynasty – salacious and degrading

Drive I have been admonished – not to call 8 Hale Keith Raniere’s “sex lair.”

No, I was told by a scolding source: It was NOT his sex lair.

It was used by Keith as a multifaceted place – of wonders – the site of his doing all sorts of worthy activities. He played his piano, and read books – it was a library – and he read aloud to others. He sat once in a while in his hot tub, true – but not often.

He met with various women and men and discussed an array of important topics. He had important meetings there. He taught piano. He taught singing. He gave one-on-one personal instructions on the deepest of issues for the personal welfare of many a student, male and female – the females being clothed in their best outfits and occasionally sans outfits – as Keith mentored in his best Vanguardian tradition.

And he played his $90,000 Steinway Grand Piano. Indeed, it has been said his piano playing was so beguiling – it charmed the pants right off of some of his listeners. And, yes, he had a few of his slave women – branded with his personal monogram on their pubic region – there to service and be serviced in a variety of salacious ways that would make the Marquis de Sade blush.

But, no, it should never be called his “sex lair.” That’s insulting.

My source summed up what many readers must be thinking:  “I must say I’m disappointed with you and your ridiculous, unfounded stories and your salacious descriptions of the stories even when they are true … Your posting is exactly the type I find like a mini Dynasty sordid tale which is unnecessary and only discredits you and the blog.”

Keith Raniere maintained a private town house at 8 Hale. Drive it was NOT a sex lair, says at least one adamant source.





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  • I think you’re over-thinking this. I don’t care very much about whether Pea is legitimate or not, as I don’t have a very high regard for Pea’s positions. Raniere is more concerned about being a toy to his future cellmate Bubba, he’s already lost his other sexual toys with little to no hope of them ever returning.

  • You don’t think Raniere’s followers actually believe the crap Pea is supporting? I’ve spoken to a former follower, he convinced her multiple female sex partners is perfectly acceptable, and this is a FORMER follower who has been targeted by Raniere legally.

    • Actually, I’m fairly certain there are individuals who bought into Raniere’s BS even to the point of the delusional crap that Pea is spewing. I just don’t think Pea is one of them. I think Pea is role playing what some Espians really believe – and stirring the pot while he/she is at it. The real ones are pretty insular – Keith wouldn’t want them to expose their “truths” to us suppressive Luciferians. God forbid they talk to some relatively stable people – he might lose some of his toys to true rationality and reason.

  • Pea hopefully after your little rant the authorities will investigate you for your support of statutory rape. Practice what you preach???

  • What makes you all the moral judges of the universe ? Did you ever stop to think who makes the laws and why? To enslave us. vanguard sets us free from your middle class morality. There is nothing but man made laws and moral codes concerning sex. If a girl is old enough to bear a child heathy she is old enough to have sex. A girl’s best break is to bear a child young with the seed of a vanguard. That’s my view. And the best age is 17-19 years. So Vanguard naturally being with females this age makes sense from every perspective.

    • – Did you ever stop to think who makes the laws and why?

      Yes, that’s why I could analyze and critically assess that a lot of what came out VanFraud’s mouth was bullshit.

      – If a girl is old enough to bear a child heathy she is old enough to have sex.

      Not at all. Nature’s primary purpose for sex is procreation, not pleasure or anything else, which are secondary purposes. This entails that in addition to being biologically capable, the female should also be emotionally and mentally developed enough to be able to care for and raise the child along with the father (and it appears VanFraud has never mentally grown up), which also necessitates that at least one or both parents are financially capable to do this for a while because it is a long term process. Nature’s purpose for sexual pleasure is to initiate procreation as well as to emotionally and psychologically bind the mates for this primary purpose. And from a functional perspective, the marriage contract – like any other contract – exists to help psychologically enforce this relationship in addition to delineating terms on how to legally deal with any issues in the marriage that may arise.

      – A girl’s best break is to bear a child young with the seed of a vanguard.

      Don’t make my sides burst from laughter. There are many men out there who are more caring, more loving, more empathetic, taller, better looking, more talented, more athletic, better fathers, etc., than VanFraud.

      VanFraud never wanted a child. If he did, he would’ve had one a long time ago having sex with a number of women. He’s only sold the avatar child load of poppycock to gullible women for sex. He’s allegedly forced abortions, effectively murdered for an abortion (Kristin Snyder), most likely begrudgingly only had a child with Kristin Keeffe because she didn’t want to give up the baby (thus the concocted story about adoption), and probably only had a child with Marianne Fernandez because it was another accident and he couldn’t lie about the babies anymore.

    • Pea:
      Let’s talk adult to adult.
      No name calling.
      When your friend Allison came to NXIVM she was a moderately successful TV actress with the image of the girl next door.

      After 12 years with Raniere Allison’s career is in tatters and her name is lower than barnyard mud.
      She faces a serious risk of major prison time.
      If a recent story proves true, Allison could be charged with child molestation and/or sex trafficking of a child.

      No one cares about your ethnic background.
      Prosecutors don’t give a rat’s @ss who your mother and father are.

      If you engaged in serious activities to assist Raniere in his sex trafficking, you will go down.
      Trust me. I’ve worked with prosecutors and I know how they operate.
      Either you hire a decent defense attorney and cooperate with the US Justice Department or you will be in for a world of hurt.

      There’s little or nothing you can do to save Allison.
      Concentrate on saving yourself.

      Shadowstate1958

    • To Pea, how do you know your the one that’s right? Laws that protect children are going to win every time. Look into cults just check out what they say if you still disagree that’s your choice but use your own brain to decide.

  • It’s so sad to see people who will likely be brainwashed / lost the rest of their lives to this cult and con man. I don’t think there is much if any hope for these people. They are lost in the void.

  • Will you walk into my parlour?” said the Spider to the Fly,
    ‘Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
    The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
    And I’ve a many curious things to shew when you are there.”
    Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “to ask me is in vain,
    For who goes up your winding stair can ne’er come down again.”

    “I’m sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;
    Will you rest upon my little bed?” said the Spider to the Fly.
    “There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
    And if you like to rest awhile, I’ll snugly tuck you in!”
    Oh no, no,” said the little Fly, “for I’ve often heard it said,
    They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!” …

    The Spider and the Fly
    Mary Howitt

  • Frank whoever your source is, unless they were a fly on the wall the entire time 8 Hall Drive had VanSmelly using it, they have no idea of everything that went on inside that house.

    Sounds like someone who is still in love with Mr. Smelly and needs to come to his defense. Maybe they need to improve their reputation in the eyes of your readers so they have to make VanStupid into something he isn’t… a nice guy out to help others.

  • Listening to these groupies is like hearing your grandparents yelling that man didn’t land on the moon it was filmed on a soundstage. He’s a douche deal with it!

  • I imagine 8 Hale is where NASA located its Think Tank to plan the future manned mission to Mars.
    And 8 Hale is where the Department of Energy centered its research laboratory to solve both the Energy and Environmental crises facing the
    human race.

    The roads in and out of Clifton Park must be jammed with Professors and scientists and engineers from around the world all wanting to absorb the great lessons issuing forth from the great Vanguard’s mouth.

  • Ben Szemkus took a long drag off his cigarette as he leaned over the rail on the back porch. This party was lame. He was expecting loud music and booze and lots of horny Yale co-eds running around. Instead it was some exceedingly bogus recruitment mixer for a very iffy looking outfit called NXIVM. What a weird name. He should Google it.

    Man she had bad taste in parties. Ben wasn’t sure how much longer she was going to be his “girlfriend”.

    “Can I bum a cigarette, kind sir?”

    Ben turned to the voice that had whispered near his ear. The cool breeze had sent a shiver down his back.

    “Uh, sure, no problem,” he said. “I’m Ben, by the way.”

    “Oh, hi Ben, I’m adult film star Stormy Daniels,” the buxom blond replied in a silky, deep voice.

    Ben’s eyes immediately fell to the stunning woman’s ginormous cleavage being offered before him as the “adult film star” leaned forward to pull a cigarette from his pack.

    A sharp cough from behind the woman startled Ben. His eyes flew around to see a gigantic African American man towering before him. The word “SECURITY” was emblazoned across his extremely tight T-shirt. His moobs were almost as big as Stormy’s.

    Ben immediately looked away but then Stormy placed a large, soft hand on his. She brought her face close to his. Her lips gently brushed his ear. “Do you have a light?” she whispered.

    A long, slow breath escaped from Ben’s lips as he watched the gorgeous blond suck on the thin cigarette. Leaning her head back, letting her full, blond hair cascade behind her, she blew a smoke ring. As it dissipated, she blew a second, smaller one through it.

    The two stayed at the rail on the deck and flirted under the Connecticut moon. Ben regaled her with several witty jokes. He enjoyed his reward, the generous shaking of her ridiculously over-inflated bosoms.

    Just then, Eric Schneiderman, New York’s soon to be Attorney General, walked smoothly up to Stormy. “Honey, Keith Raniere needs you inside.”

    She rolled her eyes but then crushed out her half-done cigarette. “Nice meeting you,” she said to Ben as she placed an inviting hand on his forearm.

    “Do you attend Yale?” Eric Schneiderman asked Ben after Adult film star Stormy Daniels had left.

    “Uh, no. My girlfriend’s friend got invited to this as the Yale library. She’s the one who told us about it.”

    “Not enjoying it much, eh?” Eric Schneiderman asked with a charming smile.

    “Well, it’s not quite what I expected.”

    “The program is primarily for women’s empowerment, but they do things for men too. I know a lot of guy’s who are in it.”

    “I was wondering what the word NXIVM meant. Is it an acronym or something?”

    “Yes, that’s right. It’s from the Latin,” Eric Scheiderman said. Then as he continued to speak, his voice got deeper, with a touch of menace. “NXIVM means “Master over slave women.” A long, cackle started from Eric Scheiderman’s mouth, growing and growing until it filled the night.

  • My name is Scott Johnson.

    I am the first one to post comments on every article because I don’t have a life or a job.

    I’m just a lookey-loo that got sued by Amway and lost. I had to settle cuz I got beat like a red-headed stepchild and could not handle the stress like a real man.

    Now I just collect unemployment and troll websites.

    That is all

  • Well Sarah Edmonson was branded at 8 Hale and stated that she knew women who went there to “fulfil” their master.

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