This is in response to DOS Woman Defends Branding by Leah Mottishaw. It is by one of our most thoughtful commenters.
By Sherizzy
Wow – DOS Woman Defends Branding is disturbing on so many levels. It is also filled with falsehoods.
For instance:
1. “The founding members of DOS included the initials of their own initiative, not as a directive from Keith Raniere.”
– I don’t think so. There is a very telling video of Raniere snapping at the women, “This is not a democracy” when he was designing the brand specifically to hide his initials from the women. The women had no real say in the brand or in anything – he told them that to their faces and yet they still maintain that it was their idea.
2. “Each woman invited to the sorority was told before joining that part of the membership in the group included getting a brand.”
– Not according to Sarah Edmondson. Is Leah accusing her of lying? Also, the women had already given, according to the prosecution and attorney Neil Glazer, two levels of collateral before they even learned anything substantial about DOS.
3. “The founding members also understood this area [the pelvis] would be less painful than other parts of the body during the application process.”
– What? The pelvis is one of the most sensitive areas of the body. This is a fact. Raniere ordered it to be placed there out of his own perversion and his desire to inflict the most pain as possible on the women. Remember him paddling one of the DOS women and showing the others the right way to do it to inflict the most pain.
4. “The initials were incorporated in the design as a subtle tribute to the person who helped the original DOS members.”
– Raniere came up with the idea of a brand and ordered that it be his initials. He made it a tribute to himself. Reminds me of how he made Mark Vicente reshoot the Mexico documentary because it did not include enough tribute to him even though the film was not about him. How can Leah not see that?
5. “The initials were not meant to be the main focus, or even particularly obvious, and they were never intended to denote that a woman was anyone’s possession or property.”
– Raniere deemed himself the Grandmaster of all the slaves. Every woman in DOS was his slave. Every woman in DOS was his property, who he could do whatever he wanted with – which, of course, was sex, even if the woman was married or in a relationship.
– Remember, Raniere’s perversion was so extreme that his plan was for there to be 100s and 1000s of women all with his brand. Like a little sex army. Sorry, but all the DOS women, including the inner circle, were Raniere’s property by his design.
The fraternity analogy is so off-base, what is there to say that has not already been said by others on FR.
I truly hope Leah wakes up and realizes this has nothing to do with sexism. If a female cult leader had men branded with her initials, society would be equally appalled. It’s about the abuse of power, not gender.
It is also very, very dangerous to adopt the belief that joining DOS meant fully giving up your right to be informed of what others are doing to you and telling you to do. That belief excuses Raniere and the other masters of everything, no matter how harmful. How is that empowerment? They are letting Raniere do whatever he wants with them and they are not permitted to object to anything.
There is no way Sarah Edmundson and the women outside of the inner circle would have joined DOS under those terms. Never.
This is a newly crafted lie DOS is trying to sell to cover up the obvious lack of informed consent regarding the brand. How convenient to say it does not matter if they did not give informed consent because they gave up their right to informed consent. Horrifying!
The fact is that DOS did not just hide information from the women, they outright deceived them about Raniere being Grandmaster and the brand being his initials. They knew most women would never join with this knowledge so they manipulated and lied. And now they are lying again.
Leah shouldn’t need to intellectualize and over-examine the meaning of the brand and her feelings about being deceived about its content. There is something very wrong with that. You shouldn’t have to twist things into a pretzel to justify them.
All the DOS women gave their power to Raniere and they are still willingly giving him their power today and letting him dictate how they are living their lives. Women empowerment is impossible when the women are giving their power to a man. I would bet anything that Nicki Clyne does not make one decision on her own without consulting Raniere.
Leah may be book smart but she is intellectually and emotionally immature, like the other DOS women. I hope she grows up.
“Women empowerment is impossible when the women are giving their power to a man.” THIS!!! You are brilliant and I 100% agree
I add one more thing. It is wrong to surrender your own freedom of choice and power to anyone, man or woman, at all. It is better to always retain one’s power. Disenfranchising oneself is never something like empowerment and is to be seen as a flaw and mistake rather than something positive.
Keith’s picture looks like he is a degenerate baboon. Nothing against real baboons.
nxivmart 👍👍👍
Raniere and young Cami 👍👍👍
https://www.instagram.com/p/CWbybzSvxFr/
hahaha agreed!! 🙂
Real baboons and Alanzo are not insulted.
One of the recurrent themes in literature is the narrative of a person selling his or her soul to the Devil.
Read “The Devil and Daniel Webster” by Stephen Vincent Benet.
Title: The Devil and Daniel Webster
Author: Stephen Vincent Benet
https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks06/0602901h.html
People who sell their souls to the Devil always make a bad bargain.
Shadow,
People who sell their souls to the Devil always make a bad bargain.
‘Something Wicked This Way Comes’ by Ray Bradbury is great book based on the the premise of making a deal with the devil.
Did you ever read the book?
Nicely said, Sherrizy.
This is cognitive dissonance at its purist. The puzzling thing is that Leah is very smart (and yet her husband is a total fucking tool). She’s too vested into it and can’t reconcile. Transcripts from the trial, video of keith describing to allison exactly what to do and what he wants, etc. It’s all right there in front of her face. keith chose her to be in DOS because he wanted something (probably her pussy but who actually knows). She just needs to pick up the phone and call her friends that are out, they will tell her. I would recommend she call Sarah.
Another man’s initials are branded onto her body forever. She has a kid, not sure if it is a girl or not. But if it’s a girl, I’d ask her, would you want keith raniere’s initials branded next to your daughter’s vagina without her knowing what it was?
btw Shane, keith raniere’s initials are branded next to your wife’s vagina. Are you proud of that? Do you lick ‘k’ and ‘r’ when going down on your wife? there are some stupid mother fuckers in nxivm but you are winning the race to the bottom, dude.
I disagree. He probably thinks she made a bad mistake but he loves her regardless. Please look at it this way….,,
OK. I looked at it that way. I find it unlikely, but if true, it makes him an even bigger pussy. If he were still brainwashed, then I’d say he at least has hope remaining to wake up and pull his head out of his ass. Think about the message that sends to his kid(s). “Don’t worry kids, I’m totally cool with your mom being branded and controlled in every way of her life by another man that also just happens to be a sex offender and is in jail for 120 years. And it’s OK for you to behave this way too.”
“keith chose Ally Wack to be in DOS because he wanted something (probably her pussy but who actually knows). ”
I know one thing Keith wanted from Ally — for her to lure her former Smellville best buddy Kristin into DOS and Keith’s bed. Mack was the flying monkey with the best chance to dupe Kook into joining DOS. I think Mack did try, and that scared Kristen away — away at least from Keith and Albany.
Smelly had Kook in the sack long before Ally Whack came on the scene. He just wanted to play superman and have them both at the same time.
“Smelly had Kook in the sack long before Ally Whack came on the scene.”
If that were true, the FR would be much more interesting reading. I think Keith did fuck Kook’s mind but not her face or body. I almost feel sorry for him.
You wish.
And only fellow incels would feel sorry for a sociopath like Keith not being able to bed a particular woman they despise.
If the truth sucks, does that mean so does Kook?
https://media2.giphy.com/media/DksRveiAAqaPe/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611632f3f4b4f75446f192b8f806a97e4c4329c5980&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
Rumor has it that Kook’s actor friends had an intervention to un-fuck Kook’s mind and get her out of the sex cult…but they gave up when she offered to blow them.
November 14, 2021
Brandon B. Porter
PO BOX [edited]
[edited]
Honorable Eric R. Komitee
United States District Court
Eastern District of New York
225 Cadman Plaza East
Courtroom: 6G
North Brooklyn, New York 11201
Re; Edmondson, et al. vs. Raniere, et al. I
Case: No. 20-CV-485 ‘
Dear Judge Komitee:
I am writing to Withdraw my request on November 12, 2021 to participate in the November 30,
2021 Status Conference remotely. Upon further evaluation, I noticed that the planned Status
Conference was a follow up. I am not represented by an attorney and do not think I will be able
to contribute to the legal opinions about how to move forward in this case. I will enter my ‘
response to the complaint when it is due.
I will only attend the November 30, 2021 Status Conference if my attendance is required. If that
is the case, I would like to attend remotely for the reasons described in my letter from November
12, 2021.
I apologize for any inconvenience
Thank you,
/s/ Brandon B. Porter
cc: all council
November 11, 2021
Brandon B. Porter
PO BOX [ edited]
[ edited]
Honorable Eric R. Komitee
United States District Court
Eastern District of New York
225 Cadman Plaza East
Courtroom: 6G
North Brooklyn, New York 11201
Re: Edmondson, et al. vs. Raniere, et al.
Case: No. 20-CV-485
Dear Judge Komitee:
I am writing to ask for two requests.
1) My first request is for clarity. My answer to the revised complaint is due on November
15, 2021 (Docket #89). Based upon the transcript from the October 15, 2021 Status
Conference, page 20 lines 8-12, it is my impression that this order is likely held in
abeyance. Please affirm or disaffirm my inference.
2) The next Status Conference is scheduled for November 30, 2021.1 am asking if I may
attend the Status Conference remotely via teleconference or by videoconference. I live in
central Iowa and travel to the court will incur substantial expense in time and money for
me and my family. 1 can share with you my current finances if necessary. This suit
significantly contributed to the difficulty I experience finding and keeping gainful
employment and financially supporting my family. If this request should be done by a
formal motion, I would eertainly comply. In the meantime, I am sending a copy of this
letter to all council at the email addresses provided.
Sincerely,
/s/ Brandon B. Porter
cc: all council
” I live in central Iowa” Brandon Porter
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“ Women empowerment is impossible when the women are giving their power to a man.”
This conclusion is spot-on and destroys the DOS dead-enders narrative.
I think deep down they realize this too, but it’s to embarrassing for them to accept what they’ve done.
This is a good comment, Sherizzy, but you know what would make it even better?
If you added phrases like “I think”…”In my opinion”…”In my view” etc.
Why do you present your opinions and attitudes as if they are objective facts?
Do you think if you qualified your intolerant and highly chauvinistic opinions in this way they would reduce their cutting potential, and their ability to humiliate your target?
Because that’s all you’re trying to do, right?
You’re trying to shame someone else to live the life YOU want them to live, not the life they’ve chosen for themselves.
Is that correct?
Alanzo
IN MY OPINION, Sherizzy is attempting to draw attention to Leah’s mistruths. IN MY OPINION, Sherizzy is correct in her evaluations. IN MY OPINION, Sherizzy was more pissed off about being repeatedly lied to in Leah’s article, than she was out to humiliate anyone.
But, as far as I’m concerned, if somebody either repeatedly lies to others and/or themselves, sometimes getting a wake-up call is what they need. Props to Sherizzy for defending the truth and for attempting to provide a wake-up call to Leah.
Thank you, Nutjob!
IN MY OPINION, you are cute when you throw a hissy fit. 😘
Alonzo is dumber than a butt plug.
Alanzo – To help remove the shifter aspect of your reply, let’s say everything you called out Sherizzy for is correct. Do you have any thoughts on her 5 points that were the crux of her post?
Nutjob, you and your fellow Scientology spies harassing Alanzo need to get a life and a real job. Your boss isn’t getting what he paid for.
Nutjob asked:
No.
Because her 5 points are only her opinions about how she chooses to live her own life.
They don’t apply to anyone else but her.
In my opinion.
Alanzo
That’s my point. They aren’t just opinions. There’s fucking text messages straight from the grubby fingers of the bastard.
Nutjob, how much is David Miscavige paying you to stalk and harass Alanzo? He isn’t getting his money’s worth. We’d fire you if we were him.
Alanzo’s rehashes and views don’t interest me and I don’t read them anymore. If I was forced to read what Alanzo writes, I would no longer be on this blog. Alanzo’s comments may serve as an outlet for some personal deficit he has, otherwise they make me sick. Alanzo is a super-spreader. I personally have quarantined him.
Raniere isn’t in prison because of opinions!
He’s in prison because of objective facts!
Alonzo probably invokes his subjective opinion that Raniere is in prison only for subjective reasons. For him, everything is subjective. For Alamos, there are no objective truths, that’s why his life is so complicated – because nobody understands him.
And he also doesn’t understand that there is no anti-cult. That can be proven. But I’m not going to explain to him why that is.
I apologize for having mistakenly written Alamos instead of Alanzo. But names are unfortunately also relative. A different or wrongly spelled name may also be subjectively correct. After all, Alanzo uses different names for reasons that are inexplicable to me. Alanzo probably has no objective reasons for that either.
He’s in prison because of his hairy nipples being shown during trial and women being branded, not that that’s illegal
Alanzo,
I am positive that you have never used the words, “I think” or the like before your endless insults of practically everyone here on FR who does not agree with you, such as “arrogant prick,” “blind retard,” “tribal ninnie” (which, you think is cute for some reason – it’s not) to name only a few.
If you can’t follow your own advice, STFU!
Please note: This is in no way an invitation to debate your ridiculously childish “anit-cult” nonsense.
I refuse to share any more of my insights with an attention whore such as yourself – they are wasted on you.
Have a great night!
But Sherizzy – you didn’t address my question:
Here it is again:
I’m not trying to insult you. I’m trying to ask you what your purpose was to humiliate another person like this on the FrankReport.
Surely you can answer that.
It’s why you wrote it, right?
Alanzo
Yes, I can answer that, Alanzo.
I leave those nasty antics to Nicki Clyne and the other DOS women who try to shame Raniere’s survivors with lies because they were brave enough to tell the truth.
And to you (“arrogant prick,” “blind retard,” “tribal ninnie”). Unlike you, I am not interested in humiliating anyone. I know that is difficult for you to understand since you expect people to have the same ugly motives that you do. But it is the truth.
Leah appears to be a beautiful and smart women. I sincerely hope and pray that she wakes up and stops giving her power away to a man who is undeserving, a pedophile and a rapist who cares nothing for her other than what he can get out of her to benefit himself.
I sincerely hope and pray that she wakes up and takes back her power so she can do the good that she would like to do in the world. Catering to Raniere is not making the world a better place. And I know that she has it WITHIN HERSELF to do this, she does not need Raniere.
Hopefully, some bit of the truth that I wrote will reach her and she can start living the life that she deserves to live.
Sherizzy –
You say that you are not interested in humiliating anyone.
So there was no attempt to humiliate anyone with what you wrote here?
Did you take the shifter module? Are you using what you learned from Scientology to change where attention is focused? Are you aware of what you are doing?
Nutjob, wait a second! Are you actually waking up to what Alanzo does?
Are you starting to realize that he doesn’t really believe anything that he writes?
That he’s just a troll who likes to yank people’s chains?
That trying to discuss or debate anything with him only plays into his game?
Apparently not, since you keep debating him.
Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, please tell us more about the nefarious $cientology conspiracy against the genius that he is.
BTW, how are your and Alanzo’s investigations into those mysterious suicide/murders going? Any big leads? Any indictments pending? Have you two exposed any new crimes of Mike Rinder, Jeff Augustine or Leah Remini?
You are Alanzo’s useful idiot.
“Shifter Module”?
Is that a course in Nxivm?
I can’t address every point someone makes in their comment. Most of the time that would take hours. I pick what I find interesting and I comment on that.
You’re right that Sherizzy mentioned text messages. But as with so much of this, if you want to make someone wrong, or in this case guilty, you can take texts out of context or place them into a weaponized context to suit your purposes.
This is a common practice – to use cognitive distortions or over the top negative interpretations that have nothing to do with reality so you can vent your spleen. An anticultist can get a little brain spooge out of screeching “rape and torture!” over and over for “sex and branding”. It’s something their fellow anticultists can rally around and feel like they’re fighting evil when it’s just a complete nightmare fantasy in their heads.
Very common.
Alanzo
Aloonzo-
—I’m not trying to insult you. I’m trying to ask you what your purpose was to humiliate another person like this on the FrankReport.
Like the way you call people ‘blind r*****’?
Alanzo, on another thread, said…..
“I think Nancy Salzman has the strength and courage of the lion from Wizard Oz. She took a plea deal, first, and sold out to tribalism!”
Alanzo has finally come around!
“I can’t address every point someone makes in their comment. Most of the time that would take hours.“
LMFAO! You can’t read 5 points that are on this very SAME page? You don’t know how to scroll up?
Why not state the truth that Leah lied?
I know humility is a tough one for a shameless braggart like you, but maybe if you showed some humility, everyone on FR would not despise you so much.
(Sorry, Frank, it has nothing to do with Scientology. We can all just see clearly that Alanzo is an awful person).
What a sorry excuse you are, Alanzo.
Sherizzy: “Unlike you, I am not interested in humiliating anyone.”
Also Sherizzy: “I know humility is a tough one for a shameless braggart like you, but maybe if you showed some humility, everyone on FR would not despise you so much.”
Are you a liar, Sherizzy?
Alanzo
Sherizzy, how long have you been on the Scientology payroll and how much are they paying you?
All you are doing is drawing attention to how messed up your cult is. Miscavige should fire you.
Alanzo,
I am responding to you here because for some reason Frank won’t put the reply link under your post – what’s up with that, Frank?
Anyway, as I said, I know it’s hard for someone like you, who comes on FR with the sole objective of humiliating people to understand that not everyone has your disgusting motives.
So, for the last time, my objective was not to humiliate Leah.
I was stating the truth. If Leah feels humiliated by being called out on her lies, that has everything to do with her and nothing to do with my motives in writing the truth.
So, you can keep asking the same question over and over, but my answer will be the same.
You mean like Raniere told them how to live their lives? It’s funny Gonzo, how your caustic criticism of the mainstream other can be turned around and applied to prove your hypocrisy, but you can’t see it because you’re eye deep in your own self-defeating anti-anti-cult BS.
Alonzo, you label Sherizzy’s opinions as “intolerant and highly chauvinistic.”
Why do you present YOUR opinions and attitudes as if they are objective facts? Shouldn’t YOU add phrases like “I think”…”In my opinion”…”In my view” etc.
You are right, Alanzo. The arrogance of almost all the posters here is bottomless.
Other than a few of objective critical thinkers, everyone here is trying to impose their ideas on others.
Thank you for having the courage to stand up for toleration.
—Why do you present your opinions and attitudes as if they are objective facts?
Alanzo, that’s all you ever do. LMAO!
Alonzo-
Stop it with the 1990s television platitudes…
“You’re trying to shame someone else to live the life YOU want them to live, not the life they’ve chosen for themselves.”
News Flash! We aren’t discussing a man coming out of the closet!
The discussion is about a man who directed a few women to coerce, blackmail, brand, and emotionally torture a bunch of other women. What don’t you get?
Women testified in court and by sworn affidavits against Keith Raniere and his criminal enterprise. It’s innocent until guilty, and Raniere was found guilty. He is guilty.
NXIVM was not a harmless cult. You are defending the wrong cult!
—Why do you present your opinions and attitudes as if they are objective facts?
The objective facts are what put Raniere behind bars.
Great breakdown. Why does Leah lie about so many aspects of DOS? And why should lies be treated with respect, Frank?
How did your recent visit with Nicki go, Frank?
The DOS women have some very strange ways of justifying things. They say that all the women knew from the get-go that they were committing to
1. Getting a brand without knowing what the brand would look like;
3. Committing to a lifetime of obedience to their master; and
4. Pre-setting the consequence of ruining their’s and their loved one’s life through the release of collateral if they didn’t keep these vows.
Only a fool would agree to this. Therefore, only someone who wants women to be fools would ask a woman to agree to this. People can change and no longer be people who deserve your obedience. As Leah mentioned, the DOS women could have looked down and seen a swastika down there. The masters could have asked them to do something unacceptable like murdering someone. It seems they did this with their demands of Nicole and Jessica. Even religions that preach about strict obedience of wife to husband give several outs. I posted these points on one of their instagram posts. I tried to use respectful language but they ignored me.