Shivani: DOJ Did Not Need to Mention Lauren Betraying Mother – but We Should Draw Veil of Privacy O’er Their Relationship

August 4, 2021
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It is a remarkable paragraph: The US Dept. of Justice for the Eastern District of New York saw fit to praise Lauren Salzman in their sentencing memorandum in the following language: 

As set forth above, Lauren Salzman provided extraordinary assistance to the government’s investigation and prosecution of this case. She met with the government on dozens of occasions, both in proffers and in preparation for trial testimony, and answered all the government’s questions, including questions about crimes she committed, as well as criminal activity engaged in by her close friends and family members, including her mother.

Artist representation of Shivani

By Shivani

It seems intrusive to peer into what the status quo is between Lauren and Nancy Salzman, about how either might feel or how they might or might not be interacting currently. It is so personal.

However, as I have mentioned before at the Frank Report, to me it was unnecessary for Lauren’s cooperation to have been couched in the precise terms used at her sentencing, and especially by those who spoke with the intention of ameliorating her circumstances as a defendant, who pled guilty and who then decided to cooperate.

Quite simply, Lauren talking about her mother at all could’ve been omitted from whatever was said on her “behalf” via the prosecution or what Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis either read into court records or said as his perspective and decisions.

Including her mother, Nancy Salzman, vocally in any recommendation for leniency wasn’t needed public information, not when it could have been left aside, tacitly understood. Subtlety would have allowed this to pass much more unnoticed.

Of course Lauren informed, once she decided to cooperate, and she testified in court for what? Four days, yes? That was enough for people to hear, Lauren’s specific testimony and what came out of her and her attorneys’ mouths publicly.

Nancy Salzman could have been been left as an unmentioned nonfactor during Lauren’s sentencing. The results would’ve been the same and perhaps more humane.

Lauren as the DOJ was quick to point out informed on her mother There was one hearing shortly before Nancy decided to plead guilty she was the first to plead guilty that Lauren and her mother left the court separately without even speaking to each other
What has been said behind closed doors to prosecutors, etc. very often, remains behind those closed doors, and thus, can be as confidential as the prosecutors’ CHOICE of words used outside of that atmosphere.

In particular, nobody here was a fly on the wall during any of Lauren Salzman’s disclosures to the prosecution team nor do we know how, or in what manner, any questions were asked to her or what decisions Lauren had to face then and there during many different meetings.

Lauren might have felt her heart in her throat to have to make any mention of Nancy, her mother. We do not know what happened for her or to her, during Lauren’s prosecutorial sessions.

AUSA Moira Kim Penza led the proffer sessions with Lauren Salzman

What might have Lauren Salzman been confronted with or shown? There is no way that being questioned was a walk-in-the-park for Lauren. Her testimony showed graphically how emotional Lauren was, and she has been under plenty of stresses for a long time.

Implicit in Lauren Salzman’s disclosures against Nxivm would be information to do with Nancy Salzman, one of the group’s core and major operators since 1998.

However, talking about Lauren “betraying” her mother via any disclosure at all gets most people right into primal feelings and territory. For so many of us, family is everything, and to lose a family member is so very hard, and it can be unforgettably so. If there’s an internal familial conflict, that can be every bit as devastating as losing a loved one’s presence in your life who has died. Sometimes, it can feel worse than missing a loved one who has died, because of alienation or ongoing conflicts between family members.

No one is saying Lauren Salzman was akin to Sidney Harris Fox who murdered his mother on the very day her life insurance policy was due to expire After all unlike Lauren he had no choice

For me, whatever primal feelings are between Lauren Salzman and her mother are their affair and it is their privacy to keep. Respect every family even if you disagree or “hate ’em” altogether.

This doesn’t end the multiple comeuppances awaiting Nancy Salzman, however. Not at all. This is merely about leaving their personal relationship together alone, where it needs to be, respectfully.

Marie White’s “Starbucks Sighting” of Nancy and Lauren Salzman. There are some who think that the Salzmans were in par with Keith Raniere in the operations of NXIVM – but were content to blame him for everything to get out of their jam.

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4 years ago

r.i.p. nxivm member milton loshin. he is the father of Nancy salzman and carole kass. grandfather of Nancy salzman and Michelle Myers salzman.

you created a great family of nxivm members.

https://www.echovita.com/us/obituaries/nj/vauxhall/milton-loshin-13172373

Curious
Curious
4 years ago

Frank, I would be so curious for someone to go through this podcast. Nicki has an argument for everything that happened at trial and within DOS. Debunking her claims could be something…

https://open.spotify.com/episode/42ifEGizXYLAIDbcpt2bVV?si=8MCfaOMfRD25ndiFv4GggQ&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

Just Sayin'
Just Sayin'
4 years ago
Reply to  Curious

“Why don’t you do another podcast, except with someone like @sarahjedmondson rather than some old guy who clearly doesn’t no much about the subject?
It would be a much more interesting conversation with an ex ESP member than some random Joe Blow, just saying.”

This was a response posted to one of Nicki Clyne’s “poor me” twitters. Notice she doesn’t even acknowledge it. More proof that she knows full well she’d be destroyed by any such conversation. The girl couldn’t even win over the Sex Wars podcast hosts who were trying to be on her side.

https://twitter.com/nickiclyne/status/1422781638509957120?s=19

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Just Sayin'

What is up with Squeaky Clyne?!

On a semi-regular basis, Nicki posts on Twitter in a desperate, 4th-grade girl, attention grab, pity-party manner, “guess i know who my real friends are now…”

Just CRINGE-inducing type comments.

I’ve got the embarrassment shivers just thinking about her pathetic tweets.

Isn’t Nicki Clyne close to 40?

It’s just such desperate, clumsy, needy, manipulation!

That is the type of person to be avoided at all costs.

shadowstate1958
4 years ago

Grifters gonna grift.
In a few years, these two grifters will be back in action.
It’s all they know how to do.

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Why does Allison Mack have a backup account on Instagram at allimack.christin where all 89 pictures were posted on August 2, 2020?

allimack.christin [Instagram]

Allison Mack
backup account
storyteller, actress, music lover, woman of 35 and counting…

https://www.instagram.com/allimack.christin/?hl=us

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

Nice account.
Personal photos,
Glad she’s with people and having a life again.

Poor Man’s Doxxer
Poor Man’s Doxxer
4 years ago
Reply to  Anonymous

B/c she was sad you stopped stalking her and her sister – and thought you needed a challenge. Get a life and leave the post-NXIVM ones alone

Anonymous
Anonymous
4 years ago

Mary White is incredible talented at capturing the ugliness of the human soul or lack thereof….

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