By Guilty Plea = Time in Prison
Allison Christin Mack (born July 29, 1982) rose through the Nxivm ranks because she enjoyed the attention, power and control she accumulated along the way.
She was made to feel important — and was willing to do whatever it took to keep feeling that way.
She was instrumental in recruiting, then coercing dozens of young women into having sex with her master, Keith Alan Raniere. These women included India Oxenberg.
It’s not really a question of whether or not she deserves the same amount of years behind bars as her master, Raniere. She doesn’t.
But she also was a master/madam/pimp or whatever term you prefer.
Mack was in the NXIVM inner circle nearly a decade, taking part in the plotting, scheming, extorting, and demeaning of other human beings along the way.
These are criminal, often inhumane acts.
Don’t sugarcoat what she did just because she pulls the little innocent girl act when it’s convenient like a page out of a TV script.
She’s a grown woman — albeit not very educated, extremely naive, and comes off as a self-absorbed person of privilege. She deserves jail time (5-7 years seems fair and reasonable).
Those cauterized brands will last a lifetime on the skin and in the emotional psyches of the women she duped and manipulated for her own benefit.
She ruined her own life by making foolish choices and ignoring huge red flags simply to serve her own ego, or to protect herself from her own collateral release. Not much ethical integrity in that choice is there? She ain’t no Joan of Arc that’s for sure.
I once told her she was in a cult.
She called it her “family” despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.
I guess believing the truth would have left her to grapple with the reality of the utter waste of her life.
Some people go on living the lie because it serves them better. Maybe time in prison will help her sort out fantasy from reality – and she can wake up and salvage what life she has left.
I don’t know for sure, but maybe the values instilled during her upbringing set her up to be an easier mark to preyed upon for life.
I only hope that some of the particularly sociopathic NXIVM recruiters, like Esther Carlson, get what’s due them, too. Shut this evil enterprise down by punishing those who kept it going for decades (and probably hope it will continue). May justice be swift and served.
Is “Guilty Plea = Time in Prison” an alias for the one know as Shadowstate?
I am no Sherlock Holmes or even a Colombo…..
…..But I have a hunch Mr. Guilty Plea is none other than the Frankreport’s Shadowstate1969.
I don’t think it is Shadow State, Nice Guy. But they seem to have similar viewpoints.
Hi Esther Chi Carlson,
After reading the Cami/Raniere text messages that Frank Parlato so graciously posted……..
Has it occurred to you yet that Raniere may have tried to set your son Robbie up?
Niceguy – I was thinking the same thing. Some NXIVM parents seem to be lacking in parental emotions. In this continued debate over whether Allison Mack is good but naive or evil, we should look at her collateral which would not only have destroyed her existing family but also agreed to hand over her future children to Raniere. At best, any son would have been subjected to Rainbow Cultural Garden. And with Raniere’s views on adult/child sex and incest, taught in Jness, what may a daughter have endured? Would anyone have trusted Allison to protect her child? I certainly wouldn’t!
Sheriff Tim Howard got his prick done
hundreds of times. So did Mark Wipperman.
One positive aspect of all of the abortions, the judge won’t have to be sympathetic about the little ones at home: https://behindmlm.com/companies/wakaya-perfection/monique-vaughn-sentenced-to-three-years-probation/#more-50608
Scott Johnson(Southern Baptist)posting gratuitous articles referencing African Americans and crime……
Scott are you a performance artist?
It’s become a cliché now Scott…….
I still remember when you posted the link to the White Alt-Right website. The website selling Lawn Jockeys, white linen sheets and DVD’s of the movie Birth of a Nation.
” Nancy seems ruthless on a Raniere level.”
The women of NXIVM are all ruthless.
They are a pack of She-Wolves.
” Cami disliking Nicki and fearing her rise in rank.”
Nicki is rising in the ranks and working hard to rebuild NXIVM.
I have long said that Nicki might be the smartest woman in NXIVM in spite of her pixie like demeanor.
Maybe Cami did not like Nicki because she is bitch….
That angle probably does not fit into your narrative.
Smart? More likely just the “bold” edgelord type of a hasbeen actress, semi-successful (for a minute) nobody who, in this moment, loves the fact that anyone is even talking or thinking about her.
It’s kind of sad that it’s what these women and men have in common.
Let’s put this issue in some perspective.
Allison Mack is Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein is Allison Mack.
Both Allison Mack and Jeffrey Epstein lured people into compromising sexual situations.
Both Allison Mack and Jeffrey Epstein took photographs and videos of people while they were in those compromising sexual situations.
Both Allison Mack and Jeffrey Epstein used those photographs and videos to BLACKMAIL people.
Both Allison Mack and Jeffrey Epstein are BLACKMAILERS.
Allison Mack is thirty years younger than Jeffrey Epstein and has female genitalia.
Jeffrey Epstein is thirty years older than Allison Mack and has male genitalia.
Allison Mack worked for a cult guru.
Jeffrey Epstein worked for an intelligence service.
Allison Mack victimized young women eager to be actresses.
Jeffrey Epstein victimized underage girls eager for some spending money and older powerful men unable to control their urges.
Allison Mack hobnobbed with other actresses and wealthy heiresses.
Jeffrey Epstein associated with the political and financial elite.
Allison Mack and Jeffrey Epstein are both SCUMBAGS and BLACKMAILERS.
And another person who ignore the fact (especially proofs from the trial)…
Allison never had any power and never enjoyed attention…She was loving acting and that’s all.
“She was instrumental in recruiting, then coercing dozens of young women into having sex with her master, Keith Alan Raniere. These women included India Oxenberg.”
Absolutely false, It was clearly demonstrated in court but please, continue to believe your lie.
She was NOT coercing, she didn’t had that power, Nicole clearly stated that Allison didn’t threaten her but it was Raniere.
India did exactly the same as Allison, she was in the same situation and if she is a victim, so is Allison.
The trial clearly state that India was the master of Jayes and even thou Jayes tried to change the testimony, in court, she confirmed this by showing how little she had contact with Allison.
But at the same time how much contact she had with India.
For me, India is a victim but so is Allison!
“Keith Alan Raniere trained his slave, Allison Mack, partly by keeping her on an 800 calorie per day, low protein diet and seeing to it that she never got a full night’s sleep.
But she also was a master/madam/pimp or whatever language you prefer.”
So you say that she was in a state of mind where she had no power but said in the first line she was in power…you should really think before talking!
It was proved in the court that the “pimp” allegation against Allison are absolutely false…She didn’t asked nor knew they had sex with Raniere.
“Mack was in the NXIVM inner circle nearly a decade, taking part in the plotting, scheming, extorting, and demeaning of other human beings along the way.”
Once again, you show your lack of Knowledge…In the trial it is clearly said that she wasn’t in the inner circle until around 2013-15 (most likely 15 as the inner circle was composed of girl who had sex with Raniere and she didn’t until 2015…)
“She’s a grown woman — albeit not very educated, extremely naive, and came off as a self-absorbed person of privilege. She deserves jail time (5-7 years seems fair and reasonable).”
First of, nutjob, Every victim was grown women , educated and naive…still they are victims.
Second , 5-7 for what? for collecting collateral on 1 person? what a fruitloop you are!
“Those cauterized brands will last a lifetime on the skin and in the emotional psyches of the women she duped and manipulated for her own benefit.”
She has nothing to do with it…once again , read the court info and to “her own benefit” ? seriously? who are you? Shadow!
She was in the same position as ALL THE VICTIMS , she was coerced…she was doing it for her own benefit too? Moron!
“She ruined her own life by making foolish choices and ignoring huge red flags simply to serve her own ego, or to protect herself from her own collateral release.”
And so did the victims ignored those flags…worst yet, Allison was in Nxivm before the 2012 revelation and was already groomed into refuting those allegations…
The victims came after 2012 and were, if we follow your “logic” way more responsible.
“Allison Mack liked to compare herself to Joan of Arc”
She said 1 citation by her…hardly a comparison and hardly a proof of anything. She was citing WAY more people than Joan of Arc…Moron
“I once told her she was in a cult.
She called it her “family” despite the mountain of evidence to the contrary.”
What a lot of BS, If you really knew Allison as you try to pretend, you would not have said what you say in your first sentence…your just another fanboy who is disappointed by what happened, but you know NOTHING.
“Some people go on living the lie because it serves them better.”
And you know what you talk about , don’t you!
“I don’t know for sure, but maybe the values instilled during her upbringing set her up to be an easier mark to preyed upon for life.”
Once again, this show how little you know about Allison (and cult in general)…What about India? was it the same? It’s a cult, they use and abuse people, lowlife!
Allison much like many were perfectly sane and fine before they were dragged into this…their mistake was to search to hard to be better and at the wrong place.
How many life this cult destroyed? But yet, for Allison, it’s only her job…
You show how pathetic you are by ignoring the fact , twisting the truth and lying about connections you never had with Allison!
Like it or not, She is a victim…and you are a moron who knows nothing and talk about fantasy while he can’t even understand how much his own lies are fantasy!
Is that you Mindy trying to shape public opinion? Or are you perhaps a diehard Smallville fan defending your damsel in distress?
There are multiple false statements in your reply and several inane rationales, but it isn’t worth spelling them out. After all, I’m just a “moron” (believe what you wish). I wouldn’t try out for your school’s debate team though. Unless it is the Rainbow Cultural Garden team. They would probably LOVE you.
Let me ask you this question: If Allison Mack is such an innocent, powerless victim, why was she among those arrested? That would seem to differentiate her from some of the other players in the eyes of law enforcement.
She was involved way before 2013. Maybe she hadn’t reached the “let’s brand other women” stage, but she was part of the NXIVM Board and took part in the Necker Island strategic planning session for a criminal enterprise disguising itself as a humanitarian training corporation.
I hope NYS and/or the Feds continue to look for evidence of tax fraud, money laundering, and other illegal stuff that may be less interesting than human trafficking, but would still be criminal. Now that Raniere is locked up, they may let all that go I suppose. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
I sincerely hope Allison Mack does prison time, grows up, heals, and finds her way back to the real world to atone for the major damage she has caused to others. Maybe she could use her notoriety to help shut down other cults? Redemption is always in reach for those who conquer their denial.
“She was instrumental in recruiting, then coercing dozens of young women into having sex with her master”? Dozens? Dozens? How about 1 or 2? You don’t get to act all tough and say that the folks who think the system should go easy her are naive or taken in by her celebrity or whatever, and then spew false information.
I’m probably one of the most lenient people towards her and even I’m not saying she should get off with nothing. But come on, a big swath of the public thinks she sold children to Hillary Clinton. It’s only fair that people call out b.s. when they see it.
I don’t think it was proven how many women Mack did/did not get Raniere to f*ck.
Read closer before you respond. The original poster said she (Mack) was naive — not her inexplicably adoring fans who want the judge to sentence her lightly (although…).
And it isn’t “fake news” to say she recruited dozens of young women into the cult. She had a DOS slave pod, and before that was hitting up ComicCons, using social media, and other such fan-oriented venues for over a decade to lure people in. The goal was to make $ and build Keith’s harem. If she only brought in 1 or 2 girls, I doubt she would have elevated herself within the cult’s inner circle. Critical thinking is an important life skill to acquire.
Well actually, it’s none.
She didn’t asked Nicole to have sex with Raniere…As for Jayes, It’s India that said “seduce him” which isn’t really “have sex with him”…
Nicole didn’t Believe Allison knew about the “having sex” part as she asked Raniere if she could tell Allison.
Also, if they dropped the “sex trafficking” part , there is a Reason. It’s simple, it never existed.
Stick with the fact, She was collecting collateral , period!
And Max, you are not the most lenient since you say clearly you consider she should get punished…
I consider she paid enough…She lost everything while being a victim and she already spent 1year + in ‘custody’…I remind that Judge Garaufis himself said that for him “hpme detention” is the same as prison…(he said that around september 2018)
She committed 1 crime on 1 victim… If they didn’t made it a RICO case, this would mean a potential of 2 years max…Seeing that she was herself a victim of the same crime she committed (therefor, she was coerced to do it), The sentence would have been a probation.
And let it be clear, Rico case or not, Allison was not deep enough in the “crime enterprise” to be concerned by the RICO statement.
She was collateralized and collected the collateral. No other crime were committed by her.
As for the last part…I don’t see why you even talk about this. Most sane people don’t Believe the pizzagate scheme
Except a couple of person around here, i haven’t seen people mentionning this crazy conspiracy (there is enough conspiracy around here to add a new one, i guess.
The “big swath of the public” is actually an extreme minority who is just voicing themselves louder.
In the big scheme of things, Nancy Salzman seems to be less a victim as a true perp, a reality-bending, deliberate manipulator. Prefect, from the beginning, *directed* the charm offensives to win over the vulnerable and/or wealthy, and presented herself as a guru. Directed her own daughter to obey. Not buying the doddering mother unaware of DOS bs and, worse, the demoted minion of Clare. Nancy seems ruthless on a Raniere level.
And it was interesting to read about Cami disliking Nicki and fearing her rise in rank.
Esther. Hmm. Is she shopping, and hanging out with Nancy? Things are interesting with them trying to keep the program going. There are lots of things still happening I guess
I think Salzman was kept in the dark about DOS, especially the cauterizing. There was a LOT of compartmentalizing going on, from numerous perspectives. One of Raniere’s many fatal flaws is he didn’t realize how entrenched the female gossip/rumor mill is, and it’s actually surprising to me that NXIVM lasted as long as it did.
Not DOS, per se, but the whole harem and Raniere’s manipulation of the vast majority of women in the Halfmoon community, including the volleyball/Vanguard worshipping at the Sports Barn.
Ugh. Prefect continues to traipse around the area (discount) shopping, lunching, wine o’clock-ing with her faithful lady squad like she’s, lol, Martha Stewart instead of the sorry not sorry manipulative weasel she is (who is finding the ankle monitor too uncomfortable and quite unpleasant).
Nancy knew everything!
Prefect surely kept tabs on most everything and heard the rumor-mill. It is almost laughable to think she never suspected the relationship between Lauren and Vanguard. Totally laughable and truly ironic is that she remained a guru and had “wise woman” status. It’s the reason she was the first to “sorry, not really sorry” a plea deal. She’s shameless and smug.