Editor’s Note: This anonymous guest view is from someone who claims to be a Ph.D. but whose name to Frank Report is unknown. The observations are interesting and are published as written. This was originally submitted as a comment on the post Guest View: In Defense of Allison Mack – Salzmans did far worse crimes
Guest View: By Ph.D.
My background is as a Ph.D. in Clinical Psychology although I have never served in forensic psychology capacity in court.
I have never clinically examined Mack but I have been around many people with similar characteristics that she presents. Furthermore, as a student of this trial, I’ve had the opportunity to observe her behavior in court during several appearances at MDC Brooklyn.
In my direct observation, Mack’s behavior at court was frequently hyper and “over-friendly” to everyone so much so it was not appropriate to the circumstances and graveness of the situation. It appeared that Mack was more concerned with pleasing others and having others like her than acting in accordance with the seriousness of the situation.
Mack strikes me as someone who has what is known as a “false self”. People like this don’t know who they are or how they feel. They rely on their sense of self from others’ opinion of them and are thus frequently targets of manipulation and abuse from others.
People with a false self will do anything to please others even if it means hurting themselves or acting against their own interests. Mack is possibly this kind of individual and it is strongly possible that Mack had no intent to harm other women while she was serving Rainiere.
I believe 3 things:
1) Mack has little sense of her own self worth and has adopted a false self.
2) Mack is the type of individual who can be easily manipulated to please others
3) Mack would have a hard time believing she was harming others if she felt the need to please a significant other (such as Rainiere) was more important. Thus, it is hard to believe Mack had intent to harm another.
I realize there is little empathy for anyone associated with Nxivm because of the outrageous abuses Nxivm created and fostered. However, I hope law enforcement and the EDNY take into account the above factors when considering the case of Allison Mack.
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In the end she was as hardcore about harming other women as Vanguard and she had zero sense of guilt about it. Whether it is from a “false self” or whatever, yes, pleasing Keith played a large part of her intent however she is not a retarded individual and she did know that her actions created enormous physical and psychological pain in their victims. The fact is she did not care. Not at all.
From HealthyPlace.com “The typical person that is vulnerable to developing anorexia is perfectionistic and a people pleaser. They must have things just so and are often the mediators of the family. When problems come along, they often try hard to believe that they don’t exist or they try hard to get the problem to go away as soon as possible. Often they care very much about what other people think of them, whether those people be their parents or their friends or even crushes. Caring so much about pleasing others and wanting to be liked usually ends up being the gateway to someone vulnerable developing anorexia.” Obviously, this cult majors in developing mental illness as a way of controlling the gullible, needy women it attracts.
Dependent Personality Disorder.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/dependent-personality-disorder/symptoms/
I call BS. Allie Whack is just a stuck-up former C actress who thinks she’s better than everyone else.
With NXSCUM she found the role of a lifetime – Headliner Star for a Cult.
Allison Mack wanted to be World-famous. Well, she sure is now.
not up close, there are many things happening in the world that make this whole story a fluff in the navel, but no doubt this will mark the rest of his life. But he will depend on it if he manages to recover from this by leaving prison, as it says “what does not kill you makes you stronger.”
I suspect that former child actors who stay in the profession have a poor grasp of the real world. They are accustomed to taking direction, they are over-praised and over-indulged. They are catered to in order to elicit the performance. Time is money on the set of a production. Keep that kid happy.
Mack gave a hint of childhood issues that skewed her self image by saying, in the New York Times Magazine article, that she felt uncomfortable as a child when she was praised while other kids weren’t.
Did Mack feel that she didn’t really deserve her success? Did she overcompensate by allowing herself to be punished with sleep deprivation, the NXIVM diet, and taking blame for other’s decisions?
We can only speculate.
Based on a certain understanding of psychology, and a long term interest in frauds and exploitative groups and understanding the dynamics of their pathological leaders, this generally seems about right to me.
However, as I’ve noted before, Mack seemed to really take to the role of perpetrator. I suspect she may have been a victim of abuse herself, which typically results in poor boundaries of a sort I think fits with the description here, also sometimes perpetration against others; and her reported “collateral” of a video confessing to abuse of nephews fits with that – even if it were made up, it still raises the question of why that particular offense would even have come up as a sort of free-association response.
Mr know everything yet nothing…
You are as much knowledgable on the case than i am the king of the world…and no, i’m not!
Nobody can say for sure what Mack was feeling. As far as i read, since the moment she was in DOS(summer 2015), it feel like she was getting more depressed and not really happy.
But she was stuck, just like the other victims, she couldn’t get out for the fear of her collateral being released.
The nephew’s collateral has not been fully discribed so you are shadowstating this.
You Believe it was her who confessed the abuse , it could be anyone else who did the abuse.
The feds have not done anything of this collateral which means it’s probably not credible and probably another fake story.
We already had that “conversation”. A Nxivm member who knew Allison talked about a mail exchange seen on Allison’s computer.
That member saw Raniere demanding more serious collateral(like a confession) if she wanted to bed with him.
She asked what to do if she had Nothing to confess to which he answered to create a story.
This mean that
1. Allison wasn’t the criminal that some of you try to make her until she was in DOS
2. The collateral is highly likely a false confession.
It was also confirmed by some victims that you could confess fake story/crime as the only mean for it is to destroy your reputation afterward.
Just like a legal expert know less than you(see the ¨TOP NYC…” news from the 6th april), a (possible) Ph D (who made sense here and it’s consistent with the general behavior Allison had) is probably less competent than you are…
That shows what kind of person you are.
Maybe i should try to analyse you…just for the fun
So you say we can’t say for sure what she was feeling – but you “feel like she was getting more depressed and not really happy”?
But you still can’t explain the happy, adoring video she did with Raniere.
Hey, you could even imagine that your innocent Ally is still a virgin – it hasn’t been proven in court otherwise, right?
And there are lots of things that have yet to be prosecuted, pending the outcome of this case, such as tax evasion – for instance the IRS has yet to go after anyone, and yet almost inevitably will. Just because authorities haven’t gone after Mack for the “collateral” related to her nephews, doesn’t mean they won’t though we certainly don’t know – you are jumping to conclusions.
There may well be a whole new case in NDNY, and perhaps others, that could burst your illusions.
p.s. Also, if Allison was such a victim, and supposedly unhappy to boot, how do you explain her active work trying to recruit women via Twitter and Skype, and teens through Girls By Design?
See, for instance, the Vanity Fair article A Running List of the Women Allison Mack Attempted to Recruit to Nxivm,
AnonyMaker:
See ,that’s the difference between you and i.
I took the time to try to understand and read about this case while you just followed blindely Shadow…Prove of this is your second message.
I won’t lose more time explaining to such a slow brain as yours how judicial system work and how moronic you look with your close to shadowstate obsession against Allison (while finding excuse for the real monsters).
She was a victim, like it or not (just like you are victim of your lack of knowledge yet your need to sound like you know everything).
IF you take time to actually look at the time when she was trying to recruit, they are pre-dating DOS…And GBD was KK’s thing, not Allison’s .
By this ,you just show how ignorant you are.
Friendly advice, get a life before you turn completly obsessed and look like a fool (oups, too late for the latter)
Doc,
What happens the next time Allison Mack decides to break the law to please an evil man?
The only positive thing that I can state about Allison Mack is that she did not murder anyone.
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I agree with Frank that opposing or dissenting view points in a public forum are a good thing. Frank made a good call as an editor of the Frankreport website to post this comment as an article.
That is actually a good question but i doubt this analyse is fitting Allison’s profile.
Although she seem to have been unsecured and relayed a lot on other’s opinion.
Permanently unsatisfied by herself, it was explained by one of her close friend (before nxvim) that she had a poor opinion of herself (partly due to the “lack” of education).
It’s one of the reason she searched the answer in Self help.
Sadly, she stumbled in Nxivm…
She never did anything wrong before KAR got her in DOS. So i’d say that this profile isn’t accurate.
It was also said that EM were made to challenge the way you percieve things, this include convincing someone that “wrong” was actually “right” depending the situation.
It would also explain why some of the other (long term) victims were also doing things that weren’t their best interests.
How do you know that she “never did anything wrong before KAR got her in DOS”?
That’s claiming to know a lot. Unless you’re actually Allison herself.
How can you be that dumb…do i really have to reply to such a stupid question?
She has no record, that is said by several sources and it was confirmed with the plea deal.
You make a fool of yourself a little bit more Everyday. You show no bound in term of obsession.
Defending the wrong persons and trying to pin those who are clearly not as guilty as you’d like them.
You perverted mind could probably used more efficiently (like writing some fiction stories) rather than trying to argue about a case that you have NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT.
Great article. Totally on point.
Allison is innocent, or at the very least, worthy of mercy and probation.
In fact, most of Hitler’s inner circle also felt an overwhelming need to ‘please’ Hitler and had no ‘self worth’ unless Hitler praised them.
Their entire sense of ‘self esteem’ was directly tied to Hitler’s view of them.
Without Hitler, they were nothing. Thus, they did anything for Hitler.
They were taught that Jews were akin to vermin and thus they truly didn’t view them as human beings —- which made gassing them easier since they honestly didn’t think they were doing anything wrong (from a psychological standpoint).
So I guess they were all worthy of mercy too, using your logic. LOL.
Nope. They got what they deserved.
What you’re talking about is not that rare. Lots of people are ‘pleasers’ who lose themselves within the shadow of their love idol.
You’re attempting to say that Allison couldn’t interpret right from wrong, while basking in Keith’s shadow.
However, if that were really true THEN she could have murdered somebody without being morally or legally responsible (in your eyes) as long as she did it to please Keith.
Truth is, she knew right from wrong. She simply didn’t care because her love for Keith outweighed the harm she did to others. It’s called being obsessed with somebody. Happens all the time. The only difference is that most people don’t join slave cults.
She deserves 15-20 years in prison.
Your profession is a joke and I’m just glad you were not present at Nuremberg to plead for Hitler’s cronies.
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The aspergers spanker just can’t help himself. Still desperate for everyone to think Kristin Kreuk’s farts don’t stink.
Still have the hots for Sultan I see. He tried to get away from you but you keep stalking him. Forget him. He has never met you and never will. You’ll never be his lover. He loves another. You can’t have him, no matter how many times you bring up his name in unrelated posts.
Hi spanky.
I believe 3 things:
1) Mack has little sense of her own self worth and has adopted a false self.
2) Mack is the type of individual who can be easily manipulated to please others
3) Mack would have a hard time believing she was harming others if she felt the need to please a significant other (such as Rainiere) was more important. Thus, it is hard to believe Mack had intent to harm another.
remove mack and one can add just about any current prison inmates
the harm she did to others deserves what other inmates received…TIME !!!!
The release today of a study by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) showing than 64 percent of local jail inmates, 56 percent of state prisoners and 45 percent of federal prisoners have symptoms of serious mental illnesses is an indictment of the nation’s mental healthcare system.
https://www.nami.org/Press-Media/Press-Releases/2006/Department-of-Justice-Study-Mental-Illness-of-Pris
Most people in prison have serious mental health problems.
Why should Allison Mack be treated any different than anyone else who commits serious crimes and has mental health issues?
The main purposes of the criminal justice system is to discourage criminal misconduct and protect the general public.
What about vindicating the rights of the women who were branded like cattle, blackmailed and forced to serve as sex slaves.
All crimes committed by Allison Mack while she proclaimed she was for female empowerment.
This kind of devious deceptive behavior must be punished.
And at the most recent court hearing Allison Mack was joking around with attorneys and laughing and realizing that was inappropriate in a criminal case held a scarf to her face to hide her jovial spirit.
Allison Mack was as devious this week as she was two years ago when she was still recruiting women for the sex cult.
I have talked at length about Ms. Mack’s Narcissistic Person ality Disorder.
This disorder is the cause of most of her anti-social conduct.
She has no empathy for others.
She has no boundaries in her personal behavior.
She craves constant adoration and always must be the center of attention.
Here is a good rundown from Mayo Clinic of Narcissistic Personality
Disorder that fits Allison Mack’s criminal behavior to a T.
Narcissistic personality disorder
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662
Oh so you are a Ph D too…I advice to practice what you preach.
Try to analyse yourself, you’ll have a Customer (in you) for life.
You know Nothing about Allison (Something that the author of this message atleast acknowledge).
Those who really knew Allison clearly showed that it’s actually the opposite.
But now, seriously, if you really are a Ph D in psy, do yourself a favor and find what is wrong with you…If not for your sake (i couldn’t care less for you), do it for others.
“You know Nothing about Allison”
I know she is a criminal who tortured and enslaved women for her own advancement.
And I know that she goes into the court room and jokes around and laughs and when she realizes that laughing might be inappropriate she conceals her face.
In a nutshell she is a devious person.
And I realize that there are lots of people who use Psycho-Babble to defend her.
Everything described in this story is the defense side to bring out, not the EDNY. EDNY’s job is to convict.
Sounds like most actresses and western women in general.
I have to go with you on this . I’d like to think Patty Hearst would agree .
It’s called a pseudo-personality, something a cult does.
Nevertheless, it does not lessen the severity of her crimes.
One cannot say “I was only following orders.”
I would ask….where were Allison’s parents? Or brother?
And once Catherine Oxenberg went public, where were Allison’s parents then? Where are they now? Not a peep out of them.
I have a hard time believing that you were a cult victim (as you said) , recognize that a cult can do this kind of damage and yet be that antipathetic.
No doubt in my mind that “g” was in a cult, and she’s doing a terrific job of ensuring others are caught up in it, because she’s not naming names.