This is just getting silly beyond belief.
Hypocrisy is doing something you say not to do, or not doing something you say should be done.
Kristin Kreuk hasn’t done anything hypocritical by not delving into further details about NXIVM in interviews about her work. She already released a statement explaining why she joined, how long she was a part of it, and how she feels about her past association to it due to recent events, using words such as “disgusted” and “embarrassing”. She obviously finds the notion of a sex cult of slave women to a man as repugnant to anyone who has a clue and can read the signs.
She isn’t even similar to Tom Cruise who disallows any questions about Scientology in his interviews as he is still in the Church while Kristin is no longer a part of NXIVM and hasn’t officially been for a half a decade at least, nominally even more.
– What these articles don’t cover is NXIVM, the sex cult…
This conflation is completely false and it is unsurprising that these type of articles keep getting it wrong. NXIVM is not the sex cult. NXIVM is a corporate entity registered with the IRS that purports to teach self-help seminars and it has been controversially described as a cult. It is DOS that is/was the secret sex cult within NXIVM and Kristin was only a part of NXIVM and “never” the sex cult. She never had a relationship to the sex cult.
“– My goodness, Kristin Kreuk plays one brave lady on TV – which, when contrasted to her sheer cowardice in real life, it seems rather humorous to watch her.”
Yeah, so what? Kristin is an actor/entertainer. She sometimes plays a role just for fun, sometimes plays a role with themes that she believes in, and she sometimes uses her platform to discuss social issues that she finds are important to her, just like many other actors. Liam Neeson is not Bryan Mills. He’s not going to go start karate chopping and killing people if someone kidnaps his daughter. Mel Gibson is not William Wallace and would likely beg for mercy instead of choosing to be racked and gutted on a torture block instead of yelling “Freedom!!!”. The type of people often displayed as heroes in entertainment are role models, exemplars, people who are to be modeled and looked up to for what they sacrificed, etc. They are supposed to inspire. The vast majority of people don’t live up to them let alone the actors who play them. That doesn’t make them cowards. It only makes them normal, regular people.
I don’t even see how the current NXIVM/DOS situation thematically relates to her current show. She plays a lawyer trying to find out why some teen girls are getting sick to obtain some compensation for them from a corporation that may have wronged them. It has nothing to do with sex, patriarchy, feminism, misogyny, etc. which is what the conversation about the cult deals with. Kristin isn’t a lawyer or prosecutor. She wasn’t explicitly wronged by NXIVM like Toni Natalie or Barbara Bouchey were. She didn’t even know what was happening inside of it the years after she left. Sarah Edmondson didn’t even know about DOS until she was stripped naked and saw her fellow female members being branded. Kristin just moved on with her life and career and forgot about it well before DOS even formed.
This “Scarrom” dickhead is the Kristin Kreuk stalker “SultanOfSix”. He also goes by the alias “SoSalty”. He shows up anytime anyone even whispers even the slightest criticism of Kristin Kreuk, who he has a seriously disturbing emotional infatuation for. He even argues with former NXIVM people on here who criticise Kreuk.
He should be known as “Beetlejuice”. In the film of the same name, if you say his name three times, there he is. Say anything remotely critical of Kristin Kreuk, there he is, like fucking Beetlejuice.
We do know beyond a doubt that Kristin Kreuk is a goddamn moron! We know that she was involved in a cult that exploited and depowered women!
It is absurd to act like the cult was harmless before they started branding people. It was a sex cult when Kreuk was in it. She most likely gave Raniere nude photos of herself and there’s a damn good chance she screwed Raniere. That would have been his first order of business once she was in his cult.
So yes, it’s pretty damn silly for Kreuk to be playing strong, smart women. She was in her mid 20s doing stupid things an 8 year old would do.
Kreuk and Allison Mack are as stupid as stupid gets! Witless and mentally helpless.
Keith Raniere would kiss female members on the lips. An insider on this site claimed Kristin Kreuk had some “weird experiences” with Keith Raniere. There is no way Kristin Kreuk did not know Keith Raniere was screwing female cult members. There is a high chance women Kreuk recruited were getting screwed by Raniere and she knew it. Not just Allison Mack. Kristin Kreuk was in NXIVM before Allison Mack. Mack was only in 4-5 years longer. There is no way Allison Mack only found out about the criminal and unethical shit after Kreuk allegedly left (still a supporter of NXIVM in 2015 and most likely into 2016-17). There is no way Kristin Kreuk did not know Allison Mack was getting fucked by Keith Raniere. An ex NXIVM member on this site claimed that Kristin Kreuk was more hardcore about the cult than Allison Mack to begin with. There is a chance Kristin Kreuk engaged in some form of sexual activity with Keith Raniere and as an absolute minimum, he probably tried during those minimum seven years and she didn’t mind.
You are right, it is hypocritical for Kreuk to play ‘strong, smart women’ when in real life she is stupid and a coward. She filmed that tax payer funded show while all this NXIVM/DOS stuff came out. She was being called out but she stubbornly and arrogantly refused to even acknowledge any of it.
Seriously? Do you think an actor who plays a fireman is a hypocrite if he doesn’t help put out fires in real life? Actors and actresses are hired to portray characters with traits and skills they themselves may not necessarily possess. The fact that an actor may not be as bold or smart as a character they portray doesn’t make them a hypocrite or a fraud, it just makes them an actor.
– “Seriously? Do you think an actor who plays a fireman is a hypocrite if he doesn’t help put out fires in real life?”
No. Unless he does lots of interviews claiming he would, but when the time comes, he doesn’t.
Portraying yourself as the saviour of teen girls on television, doing interviews about it, going on about “female empowerment” and “patriarchy”, attaching yourself to “causes” over social media and in interviews that don’t require any sacrifice on your part, while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge something you were directly involved with that 100% relates to what you claim you care about, is absolute hypocracy.
No. But who wants to watch an arsonist portray a firefighter? Would you want to watch Kevin Spacey play a cop going after men who molest boys?
Kristin Kreuk’s behavior is the arch enemy, the polar opposite of the character she plays.
– There is no way Kristin Kreuk did not know Keith Raniere was screwing female cult members.
This is true. But there is nothing illegal about adult consensual relationships.
– There is a high chance women Kreuk recruited were getting screwed by Raniere and she knew it. Not just Allison Mack.
Other than Allison Mack and Kendra Voth, no other women Kristin allegedly recruited has ever been listed. So this is a moot point.
– Mack was only in 4-5 years longer.
– There is no way Allison Mack only found out about the criminal and unethical shit after Kreuk allegedly left (still a supporter of NXIVM in 2015 and most likely into 2016-17).
Sure there is a way. Just virtually screaming there is “no way” and constantly repeating it isn’t an argument.
– There is a chance Kristin Kreuk engaged in some form of sexual activity with Keith Raniere and as an absolute minimum, he probably tried during those minimum seven years and she didn’t mind.
There is a greater chance that she didn’t either being in a relationship with someone else. Regardless, a lot of things are possible. That something is possible is not evidence that it actually happened. This is a form of the argument from ignorance.
– You are right, it is hypocritical for Kreuk to play ‘strong, smart women’ when in real life she is stupid and a coward.
Again, it’s not hypocritical. She’s an entertainer/actress and that is her job. She can play any character she wants to on film. Playing a murderer doesn’t imply that she supports murder.
It is only when she suggests an ought with her work and then doesn’t live up to, or does the opposite of it, that she becomes a hypocrite, like the father who smokes who tells his son not to. However, even the father can argue that it is wrong and the son cannot rebut it by simply appealing to his actions, as this becomes a form of the tu quoque fallacy.
– She filmed that tax payer funded show while all this NXIVM/DOS stuff came out.
It sounds like you guys are upset at her success and want her association to NXIVM to tarnish her reputation and ultimately her career. You guys sound like a bunch of jilted arses.
– She was being called out but she stubbornly and arrogantly refused to even acknowledge any of it.
Really? Do people think repeating the same lies over and over again will make people believe them. She did address it in a statement that still exists on her official Twitter and Instagram accounts. She’s just refusing to answer any more questions about it but that’s not the same things as “refused to even acknowledge any of it”.
Jesus fucking Christ.
Kristin Kreuk did not and does not give a flying fuck about all those women who came forward in the February 2012 Times Union expose talking about be RAPED by Keith Raniere as children, an expose that named Kreuk too. She was still coaching for fucks sake. She was in Albany in June 2012 because she was still in the fucking cult. She was coaching in LA too. Not once did she use her fame to speak out to help bring down the cult. And fuck off with “smear campaign” bullshit. Those women went to the police years before NXIVM became a large organisation. Even in May 2015, she was still supporting NXIVM, whether you like it or not. She still supported an actual paedophile whether you like it or not.
She was named in a criminal lawsuit whether you like it or not. Kreuk knew she was named in a criminal lawsuit. She did not give too fucking shits.
John Tigue was no fraud. Along with releasing the 2011 coach list (with Kreuk’s name), he released tons of information. HE was the one who released those Necker Island pics (he had 300 he claimed). How did he get them? HE was the one who called out Siohban Hotaling and Juliana Vicente in that post for money laundering operations. Was he lying? He even had Juliana Vicente’s NXIVM number. HE was the one who released specific details about the Executive Board. Was he lying? HE was the one who claimed the ‘attendees’ – which included Kristin Kreuk, discussed money laundering including hiding money in the Caribbean. Very specific allegation. Was he lying? Was everyone but your beloved Kristin Kreuk in on that conversation?
Raniere was portrayed as a celebrate monk. Kreuk knew that was bullshit. She is a hypocrite becuase she spent 2017 talking shit, virtue signalling about all things “women’s rights” but refuses to address NXIVM becuase she is not innocent. She actually stated women will not be silent anymore! She refused to acknowledge the existence of Keith Raniere and Allison Mack. That weak statement she released was only becuase the media were suggesting she was still in the cult. Zero mention of being a coach. Zero mention of Allison Mack and Keith Raniere. Zero mention of recruiting others. Deliberately. She still has not even acknowledged she was a coach. She deliberately held back suggesting she only did a “self help course” and had zero idea it was a cult. These people want to save their own skin. How can Kristin Kreuk talk about “women’s empowerment”, Phoolan Devi, Harvey Weinstein, women directors/producers/writers, “patriarchy”, sign an open letter against someone accused of inappropriate behaviour and a lot more shit throughout 2017, knowing full well she was being called out about her hypocracy and silence about NXIVM and STILL not address it. Anyone who claims that is not hypocracy is a fucking stupid prick. She released that bullshit statement end of March 2018 for damage control and kept it very very basic. Go and ask your beloved Kristin Kreuk if she knew nothing.
ALL OF THOSE POINTS I ALREADY ADDRESSED in previous comments I made and you keep repeating the same thing over and over again.
You’re like a broken record.
“Kristin Kreuk did not and does not give a flying fuck about all those women who came forward in the February 2012 Times Union expose talking about be RAPED by Keith Raniere as children, an expose that named Kreuk too.”
And your comments show that you don’t give a flying fuck about the cult and who was negatively impacted by it. Why are you so focused on Kristin? She hasn’t even been hinted at in any wrongdoing or illegal behavior in information that has been released in the investigative process that led up to the indictments of Keith Raniere, Allison Mack, and everyone else. I’ll tell you why. The only reason you’re here is to drag Kristin’s name through the mud because you were likely rejected professionally or personally by her or for some other vendetta against her and nothing more.
It is mentioned yet again that Kreuk and others were “named” in this lawsuit as persons who “may” have knowledge of, or participated in, illegal activities of NXIVM. What I have not read anywhere is what was the result of the case.
Were any of the charges O’hara made against Raniere proven?
Were any of those “named” (like Kreuk) implicated?
I think she won’t talk because she knows the cult knows her hands are dirty. The only thing she cares about is her puny career as a CW actress. She is afraid of things getting out that could ruin her CW career. I suspect she had a meeting with her lawyers and they concluded she’s in a glass house and she should just keep her mouth shut.
Or she just left it a long time ago and forgot about until the people in the cult who are now indicted decided to do something really stupid that got them into trouble with the law, and so she was brought along for the ride due to her past history, especially her Smallvillle connection to Allison Mack. Also, her puny career most likely made her millions of dollars.
“We do know beyond a doubt that Kristin Kreuk is a goddamn moron! We know that she was involved in a cult that exploited and depowered women!”
By your “reasoning” all women who took ESP when KK did are morons, too?
I guess you don’t think being lied to, love bombed, and hypnotized can be an excuse for KK or all other women…they are morons?
The press are taking notice of Kristin Kreuk’s hypocrisy and cowardice:
It is interesting that you ignore what most here agree is established…that KK both acted as a recruiter and as a (maybe unwitting) recruitment tool of the cult.
You have made a lot of well reasoned points, but doubting that KK “brought into NXIVM” many people is gunk.
By all means, provide a list of all of the people she brought in. Also, provide a list of those who remain. I asked this months back here and nothing was provided. Until then, the case that she brought “many people” into NXIVM is simply hollow.
So…you are saying you know/believe that KK never personally recruited any still-current member except AM?
And you know/believe that her well-know ESP membership and popular celeb status did not “bring into NXIVM” any recruits, except those who have since left?
Do you really thing that’s plausible?
I don’t. And I’m one who supported much of what you wrote.
I thought what I said was clear. I didn’t say any of those things. I said a list of those she brought in and remain should be provided, otherwise they are just words on a page or just hot air from a mouth. Argument from incredulity is logically fallacious.
Was it you in a previous post who said they warned Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack about NXIVM years ago? If so, were you involved with television, or did you know someone who knew them both?
Why are you so determined to shield Kreuk from criticism? Are you a male admirer? Why do you talk as if Kreuk had no idea she was in a cult?
– Was it you in a previous post who said they warned Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack about NXIVM years ago?
– Why are you so determined to shield Kreuk from criticism? Are you a male admirer? Why do you talk as if Kreuk had no idea she was in a cult?
Come on. Really? Are people this bad at understanding the nuances of what a person has written? First of all, nothing I wrote implied Kristin didn’t have any idea she was in a cult. I have no doubt that she was aware of the cult label attached to NXIVM. The first module of the company is dedicated to rebuffing the validity of the “cult” label attached to it, criticizing that it is merely a pejorative used to smear its name, and that even if the label can be applied to it, there is a distinction between constructive and destructive cults, and NXIVM should be considered the former and not the latter. Second of all, I pointed out that it was wrong to conflate NXIVM with DOS – the hidden sex cult within it – and then group Kristin’s activities in NXIVM with the activities of DOS as if both are one and the same. This is an impotent attempt at guilt by association to sully her intentions, motivations, character, etc., without warrant. Third of all, the other points I brought up in the original comment which was made into this article – which I had no input on, nor awareness of, such being done not that it matters – were simply holes or weak points I found in the original article that criticized her for being a hypocrite that the comment was written in response to.
Do you really believe Kreuk was just a low level member in NXIVM? Do you really believe Kreuk knew nothing about criminal things in NXIVM? Do you really think she thought the NXIVM organisation was just a “self help group”? Do you really think Allison Mack knew nothing about criminal activity before DOS was formed in 2015?
The press should of gone after Kreuk in 2012/13 and ask her why she still supported a paedophile.
Just because you don’t want Kreuk put under the microscope, does not mean she should not be. The press are now talking about her silence and calling her out: playing the saviour of teen girls on television and doing pretentious interviews about it while stubbornly and arrogantly refusing to talk about the cult.
According to White Knight Frank Parlato’s own posts on this site: “I lived with the cult in Albany for months, working day and night, and I did not see any signs of an evil sex cult. . . . the sinister aspects of the cult were well hidden.” So if tough guy Frank Parlato saw nothing sinister and he was actually living with the gang and hired specifically to go out and destroy NXIVM’s detractors, what makes you think some actress would know anything.
Frank was with NXIVM as a paid employee for a short period of time. Kristin Kreuk was with them as a commited insider for at least seven years.
Mostly males who have an ax to grind with the subject at hand are the ones who like to impotently cast the term “white-knighting” as a pejorative onto a male who comes to the defense of a woman regardless of the context. Sorry, that doesn’t fly here.
It doesn’t matter what I believe or what you believe. It matters what there is evidence for.
Saying “do you really believe?” expressing your disbelief that she couldn’t possibly be ignorant of your list of possibilities and providing nothing more is exactly the argument from incredulity, which renders it ineffective. And yes, I can believe it because that’s exactly how cults work as described by a number of experts on the subject. Kristin has already denied that she was ever part of the inner circle and no inner circle member has ever claimed she was part of it. The evidence points to her being used as a positive role model for PR and as a recruitment tool into NXIVM due to her celebrity. Of course, there may have been other underhanded reasons for her to be recruited herself, such as a possibility that she was targeted for Raniere’s harem, but that is besides the current point.
– The press should of gone after Kreuk in 2012/13 and ask her why she still supported a paedophile.
When and where did she ever say she supported a paedophile? That is just you conflating her membership in NXIVM in 2012-2013 with tacit support of Raniere’s past behavior that was exposed in 2012. The fact that she left soon after these revelations were made shows otherwise.
– Just because you don’t want Kreuk put under the microscope, does not mean she should not be.
And just because you do want Kreuk to be put under the microscope, does not mean she should be. Regardless, it’s out of my control whether she is or isn’t, I’m just responding to whatever is currently out there.
All of these attacks on Kristen Kreuk have one main purpose.
To divert attention away from the crimes of Allison Mack which are set forth in the superseding US indictment issued last week.
If you can’t defend the reprehensible conduct of Allison Mack, you divert attention by trying to smear someone else.
Someone of equal fame.
If Kreuk had banned you from stalking her on twitter like Allie did, you would be just as upset and obsessed with her. Mack is a criminal but so are millions of others. Sorry your middle age sucks so much that you are obsessed with a women half your age that you never knew.
Everybody in NXIVM blocks anyone on Twitter who says anything other than “Yay NXIVM”.
Quit stalking Shadowstate.
Every time he keeps harping on mack I will call his perverted ass out.You might want to shut the f up since Shadowperv never knew nxivm existed until his lover girl got arrested. He was stalking mack in her early years. How ironic that another perv his age got to fuck her and get oral gratification from her mouth, among other things.
Are you trying to get your comments deleted, like Scott Johnson?
All your posts are both offensive and juvenile.
Oh…and very boring.
If you are older than 13 you should give yourself an EM.
The only person who banned me on Twitter is Louise Mensch and she bans everyone.
SOS posts are absolutely spot on. Shadowstate is a one trick pony and he also posts under other names. He admitted he never heard of NXIVM until the object of his lust was about to be arrested.
Anyone with half a functioning brain could spot Keith Raniere as a fraud within five minutes.
Allison Mack is no Chloe Sullivan.
As for the “object of his lust talk”, as early as June 2017 the media was filled with stories of Allison Mack branding women.
The story is really quite old and only became known to the wider public in March 2018 when Raniere was arrested.
“Shadowstate is a one trick pony.”
Actually I spend much of my internet time discussing the depravity of Islam.
Canadian journalist Lauren Southern exposes Australian Muslim No Go zones in Sydney.
It is often mentioned that Kreuk, Hildreth and others were “named” in this lawsuit as persons who “may” have knowledge of, or participated in, illegal activities of NXIVM. What I have not read anywhere is what was the result of the case.
Were any of the charges O’hara made against Raniere proven?
Were any of those “named” (like Kreuk) implicated?
Pardon my weak legal know-how and google skills, but what the hell happened in this case?
I think that is Kristin Keeffe not Kurk in O’hara’s law suit.
No, it is Kreuk…I believe she and others like Hildreth are named in Appendix 4 near the end of the file.
She has never acknowledged just how many people she recruited into NXIVM. She has never acknowledged the fact that it was indeed her who brought Allison Mack into the fold.
Until she is honest about her role, she is absolutely a hypocrite.
That’s never been your problem with Kreuk. Her past NXIVM association is just an excuse used to mask and vent your problem with Kreuk anonymously on these forums. Like many of the other fake anonymous posters here displaying their fake indignation.
The criticism towards Kreuk is valid in that she hasn’t apologized or even acknowledged all of the lives she helped destroy with her NXIVM recruiting practices. I would love to hear her say she was sorry to have ever gotten involved with this group and for bringing her friends into it. I haven’t heard any type of regret from her and that troubles me greatly and makes me wonder how troubled she is in regards to Raniere’s actions or Allison Mack’s.
How do you know she hasn’t apologized or what she has done or tried to do in private? Must everything someone does be shared with strangers via social media or press releases nowadays in order for it to have occurred? Unless others come forward and identify themselves, right now other than Allison Mack, there is one other person known to have been recruited by Kreuk. That person is still a friend of Kreuks and came out and publicly supported her after she released her statement. And other women who she was reportedly close friends with before she got involved with NXIVM are still her close friends today and publicly supported her statement as well. So while you may love to hear her publicly say sorry to her friends, it seems her actual friends got whatever they needed already in private.
And how do you know that she’s apologized at all? And it’s lovely that Kreuk has friends that will stand by her, but my point still stands. Kreuk should be answering any and all questions about NXIVM as forthrightly as she can–no one would blame her if she admitted to be scared about retribution but this refusal to address it at all is not good. It looks like she has something to hide.
– even acknowledged all of the lives she helped destroy with her NXIVM recruiting practices.
This is emotionally charged language that is frankly gunk. Kristin did not bring people into NXIVM to “help destroy” their lives. She brought them into NXIVM with sincere intentions to “help” their lives in correspondence with the service/product line the company proclaimed to sell – self-help seminars – as she obviously felt they helped her.
The only person she brought into NXIVM who still exists in it is Allison Mack and she made her own bed figuratively and literally in the secret sex cult within it. Kristin is not responsible for Allison’s conduct and she shouldn’t feel guilty for causal relationships that don’t pass the slippery slope smell test. She’s not a public servant and isn’t indebted to show any public remorse or regret whether she feels it or not. But I’m sure she has mixed emotions about what her friend did and how she even got to this point, as are many others who worked with her such as Michael Rosenbaum who is one of the the few who have spoken out publicly about these events.
How would you know how many of Kreuks recruits are still active in NXIVM ?
Still active in it yourself ?
– How would you know how many of Kreuks recruits are still active in NXIVM ?
I’m not telling you who I am.
Besides, it’s not me asserting that Kristin allegedly brought so many people into NXIVM to subsequently help destroy their lives. Until those who make such a claim provide a list of these people, it’s nothing but some unsound generalization backed by nothing but her being labeled as a recruiter.
– Still active in it yourself ?
I’ve never been in NXIVM.
YOU are the one who made the assumption that she hadn’t apologized and should be criticized for not saying sorry to her friends. When I pointed out it could have been done in private and her friends, even one we know she actually did recruit, have publicly supported her, you now change your demand to saying she needs to “answer any and all questions”. Why, other than to satisfy your curiosity? What good would it do anyway. Just by reading things on this site, you can see there are nutjobs and stupid people who take things out of context, can’t comprehend what they read, garble facts and people’s statements, and spread misinformation. If people don’t want to believe what she wrote in her statement, what makes you think they would believe anything else she said in an interview.
Just to emphasize for the people who can’t read. I said NXIVM is not the same thing as the *sex* cult and it is false to conflate the two. I said NXIVM is a corporate entity that has been controversially – the definition of which is “of, relating to, or characteristic of controversy, or prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; polemical:described” according to dictionary.com – described as a cult. I never denied that NXIVM was not labelled as a cult.
The difference is *not* difficult to comprehend.
It’s a cult.
I agree with Scarrom. I’ve posted this very thing on a couple of occasions before.
As for “anonymous”, asking and answering their own questions in the comments section here, Let me ask you this. What makes you the least bit qualified to question or criticize KK?
What is your background with NXIVM?
How long were you “in” the cult?
How long did it take you, while you were inside this cult to realize such?
You talk as though you were never part of NXIVM. That you’ve never read the full history of what’s transpired in the last year and a half.
Imagine if I were to tell you that your group of closest friends were actually a cult. If I had an axe to grind and kept at this for a long time, how much would me, a stranger to you, convince you that the group you’re involved with is a cult. Especially at a time when I wasn’t addressing you specifically.
Would my accusations look the least bit credible to you?
Would you immediately listen then flip?
No you wouldn’t.
Even when it came to light and was proven beyond a doubt, would you then happily spread the word that you’d been duped for years?
And one more thing “anonymous”, would it be okay for us to contact your employers and let them know that you were in this cult? And make baseless connections and accusations that made it seem like you might still be in it?
Please, forward your employer information so we may do that okay? That will make you just a hint more qualified to question KK and her motives.
Until then know, of what you speak is a good policy to adopt here.
Literally, when Kreuk first joined NXIVM in 2006, Rick Ross wrote an article about it with “Kristin Kreuk” and “Cult” in the title.
How much more information do you need?
As if Rick Ross and his cultnews would be something Kreuk would have been reading at the time. LOL That’s hardly a mainstream publication. Even Frank, if you believe his story, though he was hired by NXIVM to destroy its detractors, lived and worked with Keith, Clare, Nancy and the gang 24/7 for several months from 2007-008, was embroiled in the LA real estate lawsuit, had a criminal complaint filed against him by NXIVM in 2011, was named in O’Hara’s 2012 lawsuit, and surely read through the 2012 Times Union series, even he said he had no idea until 2015 that there was anything so bad about NXIVM that he should finally be moved to write about them in one of his publications. Then, then Frank likes to proclaim, he “turned on an instant” after 8 years LOL.
A cult is like an onion.
It has many different layers that have to be pealed away before one reaches the true essence of the cult.
NXIVM had thousands of people go through its courses most of whom knew little or nothing about the sex cult or the the tortures associated with it.
Only a small elite in NXIVM ‘s Albany Vatican knew the full truth.
And the worst physical abuses only occurred in the last few years as Pam Cafritz lay dying and Allison Mack rose to power, long after Kristen Kreuk left the cult.
In a better world could Kreuk have done better?
Of course, but we don’t live in a perfect world.
Focus your ire on the devious, depraved people who really created the Horrors of NXIVM.
and the few other future indicted defendants of NXIVM.
NXIVM was known as a cult YEARS ago. Enough “layers” were exposed to reveal that.
Shadow, you arrived relatively late to the party, and MY OPINION is that too many times you state YOUR OPINIONS as fact.
As to Kreuk, given the role of actors and actresses in the #metoo movement, she should (for her own conscience and to advance what is left of her career)(she will not enjoy the longevity of Densch or Mirren) never pass up the opportunity to (1) admit that she was a member of NXIVM; (2) acknowledge that she has no current affiliation with the now defunct group and (3) denounce emphatically all of the activities, criminal and merely immoral, of NXIVM.
Speaking in this manner, when questioned about her involvement with NXIVM, would preclude the treatment she received in The Daily Beast. (My opinion).
Thank you! finally someone here with common sense has address this issue.
What qualifies this person to defend Kreuk? Kreuk did not just find out she was in a cult, nor did she leave because of a falling out with the cult. She was still a supporter years after the paedophile revaluations.
His deep dark desire to fuck her 7 days a week and twice on Sundays qualifies him.
Succinct and to the point. Deadly accurate. One of the best comments I have seen on the Frank Report in a long time.
Oh please, cry me a river.
Kristin Kook was a senior NXIVM member for years and even went to Necker Island twice. She is in that photograph with her BFF Slave Master Allison Whack.
To claim the know nothing defense, is like the gate guards at Auschwitz claiming they HAD.NO.IDEA what was going on.
BS. She’s just trying to save her career.
Grow up and stop believing in Fairy Tales. Kristin Kreuk is a no good swindler who recruited young girls for Raniere with Jness and Girls by Design meetings in her house.
Kristin Kreuk definitely was on Necker Island for a cult summit. She is known to of gone at least once (around 2010) but why are you saying she went there twice? Is that the case? Do you have insider knowledge or are you guessing?
She is definitely trying to save her career with silence because she is not innocent.
An insider on this site claimed Kreuk was holding cult courses at her house in 2006, the year she is alleged to of joined the cult. Jness would of been a cult course she completed and taught. As for Girls By Design, a former member on this site claimed:
“I was a part of GBD in 2008 when I was 17 years old. KK would have girls fill out questionnaires (usually open ended questions about your experience as a teen) on facebook, and Kendra would contact us privately if we said something that interested her. Here’s one thing I do remember– it seemed Kristen and Kendra were more interested in recruiting girls much younger in age than me, closer to middle school. I ended up leaving GBD because of that. I also remember them both posting numerous vlogs on youtube.
I do remember at one point Kendra was much more interactive with having one on one’s with individual girls than KK was. I remember thinking that perhaps GBD was Kendra’s thing and KK was there to generate attention (at least she didn’t seem to want to get her hands dirty).
Not sure if that information is useful, but I wanted to put it out there.”
You’re the one who sounds like a whiny little bitch and too stupid to distinguish between NXIVM and DOS.
“Waaah. Waaah. Let me stomp my feet whenever a post about Kristin and NXIVM happens because I want her to be guilty. Waaah. I wish she’d never left so she could’ve got caught up in this shit storm and I could bask in my assholishness for her rejecting me. Waaah.”
Grow up and move on. You sound like a rejected loser.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
Waaah. I like how you keep saying that I’m the same guy yet you’re the same retard who keeps posting the same shit over and over again under your multiple aliases.
Cry me a river.
More this, less stories about Jeffrey Peterson who made off with millions of people’s money like an episode of American Greed, according to them and court/financial docs