Source: Kristin Kreuk and Allison Mack were in my NXIVM class! — ‘Kristin was a doll’

From A Reader:
You don’t know me, but I regularly watch your website for updates
on what’s going on with NXIVM.

I took one of the ESP courses in Vancouver, about 2006 or so — unfortunately. It was a total waste of time and money.

Kristin Kreuk was in my course as a helper or coach (It was hosted at her house. She was a total delight to get to know).  Allison Mack was a participant also.

I received (by mistake) her ‘personality handout’ at the end (which was almost as negative as mine!) I believe it was Nancy Salzman who was responsible for that bit
of ‘personality training’ and negative news per person on the final day.
Each of us answered a series of questions in front of the entire group for the finale personality reveal – all designed to dehumanize you into someone in need of serious help… and likely sign up for their solution into the next course.
I realized the course made me feel worse than better at the end of it!! …yet STILL

I decided I wanted to see something good from it. (It “had to be good, after all’, with all the successful, beautiful people that attended).

I got manipulated into the coaching program (Pam Cooley did the false presentation
about how great it was and what it entailed. Kristin Kreuk was assigned to be my coach).

After 2 sessions, talking about nothing (realizing it wasn’t a ‘legit’, effective
professional ‘mastermind’ coaching program), I told Pam and Susan, I wanted out of the year long program.

After hours of discussion on the phone, and being told I was unethical, manipulative, etc.,  I actually succeeded in getting it cancelled (with a revenge email sent by Pam Cooley,  cc’g the entire organization that I would no longer be a part of their program
and was deleted from their email list LOL!)
Her last ‘symbolic fuck you’ (excuse my language) only confirmed what I already
knew about the program, and her false pretense of being so enlightened.

That’s the story of my minimal participation in the NXIVM program, but I have to tell you, it breaks my heart to see everything that this organization turned into, most especially how Allison Mack (and others) went into such a dark, horrible hell as a result (and others as a result of her!).

Most especially, I just wanted to send you a big, huge thank you for representing
the truth, and calling out the program, its so called ‘leader’ and all that it stands
for.

I hope you stay safe, and continue to shed light on the truth regarding this organization.
I’m also glad to see the progress made on the leader’s karmic demise, but heartbroken on how it destroyed so many naïve, decent peoples lives.

Warmest regards,

Name Redacted
P.S.  You can use any part of this, just don’t use my name, please. Kristin Kreuk was a doll. Allison, I never ‘connected’ with or spoke much to; I felt uncomfortable in the program most of the time… like I was back in high school with the who’s who trying to
out do each other.

Kristin Kreuk was totally warm and authentically interested in helping people. I’m sad to see her name pulled through all of this. I hope she speaks up at some point though, but want to note my experience with her was entirely positive.

P.P.S. Don’t let their evil darken your heart, these kinds of things are insidious.





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    • Ha! Good one.

      But seriously, women like Kristin are out of my league. Not because of who I am but because of where and what I am. The ironic thing is if wanted to have a shot I could’ve joined NXIVM. I have the money. But who wants a chance with a woman under the contrived conditions of mind warping and something you not only don’t believe in, but think is a scam as well? I’d be no better than VanFraud. I primarily defend her now because of a movie she did long ago and it’s the right thing to because I don’t think she should be sullied for something she had nothing to do with.

        • I guess. I only know of two people she’s allegedly dated longer term and both are white. Maybe she’s dated more people behind the scenes who weren’t white but they were a short term thing – one date or a few more that didn’t go far. She’s quite private so only those close to her would know.

    • LOL yeah Sultanofsix is as obsesses about Kristen as Shadowstate is about Allison.

      The two of them should get together and fap over smallville memorabilia

  • I too was in a class with both of them at Kristin’s house. Honestly, both of them were very nice. Allison seemed very quiet and was dating a guy named Chad at the time. Who was also nice. Kristin was welcoming in her home and really intended to do good things with all of this. That’s the biggest tragedy. As I recall Lauren came for a while to teach some modules. And she always felt a bit too forced happy if that makes sense. Kristin was a good recruiter. I can say that firsthand as she believed in it. So was Allison. Fame attracts people. Everyone was drinking the Kool-aid back then. Seattle had just closed down, and Vancouver began going full force. Seattle had gotten slandered badly even though Susan Dones and the NXIVM 9 tried to take Keith down. I don’t know that most would have known that Keith wanted to run a sex slave ring and that he was truly a pedophile, but a few people did know – Karen, Pam, Nancy, Lauren, and a few others really knew who Keith was even back then.

    • What kind of “class” was at KK’s house?
      Did you take 12 hr intensives that last 5 to 16 days?

      • I highly doubt any intensives were taken there. Even if Kristin is a “doll”, who would leave their own house open for 5 to 16 days for 12 hr days for twenty or more (or even ten strangers) to lounge in? It’s rude to even ask.

  • Allison Mack will rise from the ashes like Elizbeth Smart who never escaped until she was brought in.

    And keith will go to jail as he is like Jim Jones and David Koresh.

    All those who followed them were victims

    • She will rise because she is white and socially attractive. Facts are facts. To pretend otherwise is dumb.

      • Facts not speculation ( especially by shadowstate who was turned down by allison mack on twitter after he stalked her before the event) says:

        uh no actually because right now all there are allegations ( show me some facts dumb ass )

  • At least Kristin Kreuk had the great good sense to abandon NXIVM around 2012 when she discovered that the Guru, the Vanguard Keith Raniere was involved in child molestation.

    That’s more than anyone can say for Allison Mack.

    • LOL i knew shadowstate would be all over this. His hatred for Allison mack due to being turned down by her on twitter keeps him leaving comments on this website in the hopes he will be validated ( of course no believes anything that comes out of his mouth but that’s neither here nor there )

      • And we knew you would be all over him defending your daughter that you helped turn into a monster.

        (yawn)

        • And we knew you would be concuting some story about allison mom being on her.

          (yawn)

      • What kind of woman uses force, fraud, coercion and deceit to torture and enslave her fellow women?
        Allison Mack.

        • lol shadowstate is back into his hate filled rants because she turned him down on twitter. Poor man. GO back to fapping over smallville memorabilia

        • facts has a point

          Shadowstate you did seem very focused on mack and most of what you state is inaccurate.

          • It’s interesting that he doesn’t go after the root of it all–keith. says a lot about who he is as a person.

    • I think most believe Kristin left NXIVM around 2012….but I don’t think we really know (that the commonly accepted belief) that rumors of Keith’s child molestation is what drove her out.
      We don’t even know if she heard such rumors years earlier…or if she never heard of them while she was in the cult.

      • I don’t know if we’ll ever know. Well, at least soon. Maybe when VanFraud and others who are responsible are locked up for a long time, then we might hear something in an interview. I think she’s made her statement for now.

        I think she heard the rumors surrounding the behavior of its leader. NXIVM was discussed quite a bit in at least one of her more popular fan forums during the 2009-2012 time frame and she had mentioned to one of the moderators that she had browsed it from time to time. She must have heard about the NXIVM nine leaving and the controversy surrounding the group just seemed to grow from there. She probably heard of John Tighe’s blog. I think the 2012 TU article written by James Odato that revealed VanFraud’s sexual history with teen girls was just the straw that broke the camel’s back so to speak.

  • I went not long after this writer, and did not get a personality handout that I can remember at the end, or if I did, it certainly wasn’t vicious (or I would have remembered).

    I wasn’t going to continue on anyhow, but they must have realised that tactic wasn’t working before I went. There is no way in hell I would put up with any more attacks than I had already had in the first 5 days.

  • — Each of us answered a series of questions in front of the entire group for the finale personality reveal – all designed to dehumanize you into someone in need of serious help… and likely sign up for their solution into the next course.
    I realized the course made me feel worse than better at the end of it!! …yet STILL
    I decided I wanted to see something good from it.

    Color me so shocked that after your first NXIVM experience, those in charge paint a picture of you where at least some particular aspect of you (and often more) is negative and needs fixing. Not! How else would they get you to continue paying for stuff?

    Kristin is an introvert and said she took a course to help with her shyness. She went in effectively as the perfect bait. Think about it.

    NXIVM et al: You know why you’re shy? You’re shy because you have really have a problem trusting people. It’s your trust issue. Trust us! We can help you. If you don’t open yourself up to us, how are you ever going to solve your problem of shyness and open yourself up to others you don’t know? Don’t you want to help yourself?

    Then it’s love bombs away.

    Skeptics don’t fall for such shit. Unfortunately, emotionally vulnerable people and people who are more open to suggestion who do. Then it’s as Dave Chapelle says, “got ya bitch!”.

    These people are insidious.

  • Just think, if Smallville had been filmed in Hollywood vs Vancouver, Kristin and Allison would have been scientologists with their own channel on Direct TV now. Is it just me or are all of the men in Nxivm and Scientology “feminine “? Elliott, Hildreth, Salinas, Betancourt, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, etc…. Weird.

  • Well played, Frank. We got a new useless post about Kristin Kreuk in which the fans and haters can lynch each other. Let the games begin.

    On a more related note. Is anything known about the female MD? The other one seems to be facing consequences, but the one who permanently scarred the DOS members seems to be off the hook for now. This looks pretty strange to me, as the forced branding seems to be a pretty major point in the media and the case against Raniere/Mack.

    • The prosecution stated that more indictments were forthcoming. They all shall face judgement in their time but it requires patience. Just consider how it took from October to March to arrest Keith to Allison. Hopefully, they all shall be arrested by the end of the summer.

  • Is it my imagination or does the involvement of the Smallville cast members keep beginning earlier in time in successive accounts?

    • Allison, Nicki and Kristin were all present at the first Acapella Innovations event which was held in 2007. That would mean the probably got involved sometime in 2005 or 2006.

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