As publisher and editor-in-chief of Artvoice and Frank Report, I have been credited in media outlets around the world for breaking the DOS story and pursuing investigative stories on the vicious sex trafficking sex cult called NXIVM.
Its leader Keith Raniere was arrested last week on sex trafficking and forced labor charges. More charges are expected.
I appeared on Inside Edition on March 29 and March 30, to explain the role TV actresses Allison Mack and Kristin Kreuk played in the cult that came to brand women on their pubic region and blackmail them into secrecy.
Without wishing to appear vain – by showing these clips on my own website, the reporting on Inside Edition was credible and I stand by my comments – and therefore, for those who missed it – I think it is worthy of being seen and analyzed.
March 29, 2018
March 30, 2018
Frank Parlato 
Janine Morrison 
J.J. O'Hara 
Richard Luthmann 
Marie White 
Paul Serran
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The week Kristin went to Albany with procurer boyfriend Mark in 2006 for her first intensive, some facts (or rumors) were so well known even then that her enrollment was written up in Cult News, with this warning:
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“NXIVM has been called a “cult” and described as “extremely dangerous” by critics. Its leader Keith Raniere, known as “Vanguard” to his followers, made the cover of Forbes magazine in 2003 as the “world’s strangest executive coach.”
The Forbes article titled “Cult of Personality” reports that “people see a darker and more manipulative side to Keith Raniere. Detractors say he runs a cult-like program aimed at breaking down his subjects psychologically, separating them from their families and inducting them into a bizarre world of messianic pretensions, idiosyncratic language and ritualistic practices.”
A source has told CultNews that Kristin Kreuk has been attending the “cult-like program” since Saturday.”
https://cultnews.com/2006/06/has-a-cult-recruited-smallville-star-kristin-kreuk/
I guess the CW believes KK’s denial, or they would back off (or at least delay) picking up her CBC show.
Or maybe they’ve done business with her for over 15 years, and believe the testimonies on her behalf by people who don’t hide behind anonymous comment sections, claiming to have secret knowledge of how corrupt and degenerate she is. The woman who went on 20/20 as the face of the Branded is one of these people vouching for her, thr girls who were a part of GirlsByDesign had said she didnt try to recruit them, and even if she did know Raniere was getting into everyones pants, I dont see how that equates to recruiting sex slaves.
I don’t begrudge Raniere for sweet talking his way into a swimming pool of poozy juice. Every man wants that.
It’s the forced/coerced branding, criminal activity, and statutory rape I want him behind bars for.
When you say Raniere simply “sweet talked” his way into sex with dozens of young NXIVM women, it makes it pretty clear that you will say anything to defend your beloved Kristin, even if it means denigrating the women who were victimized by him for YEARS before DOS was founded.
Lol, victimized?? People who join cults and spend all their money, and ooen their lega for some jackass who gave tou ringly feelibgs tha ks to you AGREEING to sleep and ewr very little, leaving you even more succeptible to certain emotional stimuli, are victims only of their own stupidity.
The dummies who agreed to join DOS not knowing theyd be held down and branded, on the other hand, ARE victims, of more than just their own naivete.
A woman who opens her legs for a charmer is not a victim. A charming person makes you feel a certain way. What you decide to do after that is on you
As for Kreuk, I have no delusions about her. I know more about her than many of her fans. But it isnt relevant, and doesnt matter. I just dont like innuendo and outright lies.
“The lady doth protest too much, methinks”
She doesn’t, but certainly, her fan club do. KKFC you are doing your your heroine incalculable damage with your shill approach. If she has nothing to hide you should all calm down and rest in easy conscience that this ‘truth’ will eventually out. But we all know, this might not be the case. Your lack of respect for Frank’s work is just churlish, but your lack of respect and sympathy for the FormerNexian, has destroyed any credibility you might have had with me.
Yes, I already know you don’t give a tinker’s cuss about that.
Sadly the comments lately seem to really be devolving, I wonder if the Kreuk fans, except for maybe the one person always posting, would even be here if Frank hadn’t either carelessly or deliberately made the false claim to the NYPost that she was in NXIVM’s inner circle and recruited for the sex/slave cult. But who knows, maybe Frank’s obsessively posting about Kreuk would have brought them here anyway. Out of curiosity, I searched the site to see how many times Frank created a post using Kreuk’s name versus Grace Park’s, who I think is a bigger name than Kreuk having starred on a hit show that is still running on one of the major networks. So here’s what I found. Frank so far has created 4 posts using Grace’s name, the last one back on September 5 (can that be right? )while he has created 38 posts using Kreuk’s name. Wonder if Frank will share why he’s not posting more about Park whose NXIVM affiliation is more interesting since she was appearing in a recruitment video as recently as 2016 and people don’t seem to know whether she is in or out.
Kreuk is tabloid media gold. Grace Park is not. Who knows why. Because she has exquisite features? some iconic resonance? Probably. Some faces sell more than others. but actors and models – people who trade on their captivating image, have to expect, hope to expect? as much attention as possible so those protesting about their levels of fame or infamy are as alike blessed and cursed. I asked my 17yr old godson why he still has a picture of her from an old comic on his board- and he just laughed – the question was beneath contempt.
Would be interesting to see if Frank had made the same claim about Park being used to recruit sex slaves what kind of attention Park would have gotten, but maybe based on the responses Park’s posts generated for him, he already knew she wasn’t red meat or maybe Park has better lawyers. Or maybe Park hadn’t yet joined NXIVM back in 2007/2008 when Parlato was living and working with Raniere and Salzman.
As to the comments ‘devolving’. I sense a vicious circularity in yours, so yes. As to the rest, as far as I’m concerned this is an excellent forum – full of insight, sharp wits and valuable information.
I read a lot of “snippits” from experience, Sorry if I seem low tolerance at this point, but few seem to be willing to throw it all out there. Only bits and pieces when the clock has well past struck 12. Hanging around in the shadows of this blog. There plenty who know who did what. But won’t commit to an entire account. It took me four days reading this blog and all comments to know who is holding out and who is full of shit. I’m not the only one.
This is much bigger than you or your friends are. There are generational consequences. Anyone who has a story to tell and hasn’t told it, ought to shut up unti they wake all the way up and grow up enough to tell it.
What is the point of speculating on what Kruek or Mack did or didn’t do? There are probably only very few (if any) people reading here who know the truth of it….law enforcement have been investigating for a long time and if they have evidence against those 2, it will eventually come to light. Why keep commenting back and forth when no one here really knows the answer?
Agreed.
Bravo, Flowers!
Because, people need to know how this happened, Every detail, so it doesn’t happen again. Duh. Speaking for the “Outsiders’. Waiting clear eyed for some of you to wake all the way up.
But here is not the place to tell all the details, because this is an anon forum open to everyone – which includes liars and trolls and NXIVM supporters, as well as honest people.
Aliz, what I’ve learned is a forum like this can attract people who post false info, and there is no way to verify the truth. I think there will be journalists and writers who will be interested in speaking to people, on a personal level, to document their experiences…Everything we read or contribute here has to be taken with a grain of salt, as they say.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-how-a-secretive-cult-like-group-in-upstate-new-york-drew-more-than/
In Halfmoon, the small community about 25 kilometres north of Albany, where Mr. Raniere and some of his adherents lived, the arrest was met with a sense of relief. Some members of the community had complained to the sheriff and local authorities repeatedly about the group, but were told nothing could be done.
The curving drive where Mr. Raniere lived is lined with identical mailboxes and large houses set back from the road. A woman named Katherine who lives near his home said that, years ago, her husband dressed up as Mr. Raniere for Halloween – scraggly grey wig, black clothes and Barbie dolls hanging from his sleeves. “It’s that creep factor,” said Katherine, who asked that her last name not be used. “It’s just been so weird for so long.”
It’s truly amazing how a 2.26 GPA, manipulative, selfish, lazy loser who has spent his life sucking off others and profiting at their expense, has caused so much pain and destruction – turning so many against each other in the quest to figure it all out. The opposite of Jesus (what ever you think of him), KR inspires blame, evasiveness, mistrust, anguish, and hatred. BRAVO, Mr. Cattle Brand!!! Take that to your deathbed… Notwithstanding this, I refuse to hate. The opposite of love is not hate; it’s indifference. And once KR is anonymously swallowed up in the federal justice system, we can be sublimely indifferent. And hopefully move on and heal.
I have an issue with Ms. Edmonson’s commentary that ‘shit got weird’ in 2013. Shit had been weird in that organization long before that, and anyone with even a little time spent on the Internet could’ve found plenty of information on said ‘shit’. At the point you begin to refer to some chubby douche as ‘Vanguard’ and some disgusting shrew as ‘Prefect’, you’ve already entered in to some pretty weird shit.
I’m curious as to why Allison Mack hasn’t been arrested yet. Perhaps Keith is cooperating? At the very least, she should be in custody to answer some basic questions.
I’m guessing Allison might already be in custody. A hospital. Psychiatric observation. I’m just guessing! If not today, very soon. Her reason for breathing has been removed.
Yes, I’m curious why Allison wasn’t arrested on the spot same time as Keith. She may have fled by now to who knows where.
I really feel for her. What a psychological rollercoaster at maximum speed is she going to experience? It takes years to brainwash someone. 1/4 of the time to undo it. Without fame. That’s a guilt speedball I hope to never experience.
Raniere set himself up as a guru. A guru’s students are supposed to revere him. Gurus often exploit this reverence for sex. Having sex with your guru is generally regarded as consensual.
I don’t doubt that people as high up as Sarah Edmondson knew that many of the young women she recruited into what she thought of as valuable personal development training ended up falling voluntarily into Raniere’s bed.
The available evidence is that Edmondson did not know about the genital branding until she herself was branded. And it took weeks for her to realize the brand was Raniere’s initials, which caused her to leave. And she still may not have known about the sex-trafficking.
Yes, she knew for a long time Raniere was treated as a guru who styled himself as Vanguard, and that many of his followers had sex with him. But DOS didn’t start until 2015 at the earliest, and was kept hidden even from insiders (that’s the whole point of collateral). As soon as she realized the cancer of DOS growing inside ESP, she quit, and shut down her Vancouver ESP Center, and went on the record in the New York Times, which was vital in getting the authorities to finally get serious about investigating Raniere.
Was she gullible? Perhaps. Was she knowingly recruiting ESP members? Yes. Was she knowingly recruiting sex slaves? Never.
I hear you- but Edmonson didn’t live in Albany. She was in Vancouver with her friends and build a great group of people striving to be better. Remember how cults work- in layers. Sarah and Kristen weren’t in the inner circle, so they may not have seen the weird shit. Also, I did a 16 days, and loved it. The people were great, the tools were cool. We were aware of the stuff online, but it didn’t line up with “our experience” of the community so we didn’t believe the “smear campaign” against Keith and NXIVM. So, you can’t blame them for missing the red flags. Keith and his minions were very good at keeping everything hidden. I didn’t continue because I got what I came for then the cost was too much to continue. I am glad I got out when I did. And I think that the focus should be on the people still in NXIVM, NOT the people who got out, and especially not the whistleblowers who were very brave to speak out. Even if it took them some time to do so.
Frank isn’t an angel. Do your research people. If it takes a necessary evil though to extinguish the likes of Keith Raniere and his legacy of dumbf*ck followers, then I’m glad to say “The Enemy of my enemy is my friend”.
Oh, I have read this blog inside and out. Comments included. I speak for no doubt hundreds of outsiders who have been lurking for weeks. Frank is no saint! Not at all! He’s opinionated and has a healthy ego. But after going through ALL posts and comments, there’s a clear picture of the tip of truth. Thank you Frank. Because I don’t see any other blogs going into such depth depth. I DO see a lot of insiders here hiding their stories/complaints in this man’s blog instead of waking ALL the way TF up and starting your own.
Does Frank Parlato have ulterior motives? Absolutely. He is also fighting for his own life. Literally. Fighting to stay out of prison due to false complaints filed against him by Clare Bronfman et al.
A lot of people want to call it petty revenge, but I say it is far more than that.
The last time I looked at the docket (if I recall correctly) the US Atty was attempting to do something with a superseding indictment, which either means they know original one is no good or they are looking to add new charges to it.
The same thing most are rooting for against Raniere is exactly the problem that Parlato faces. Most prosecutors don’t like to quit and will do anything to get someone who doesn’t just plead out, whether they are guilty or not.
It was wicked smart to put the $ he received from the Bronfmans into escrow, but I say he had a much better idea what he was dealing with by that point.
All that being said, do I think he is some squeaky clean fighter against injustice? Absolutely not.
It is interesting people are so polarised these days, there is an automatic bent towards people being purely good or purely evil. Either is rarely true. Raniere being the exception to the rule, of course.
He’s fighting for the truth because, obviously, these cast of characters have presented themselves as something more than sleazy. Yeah! He’s fighting for his life! Wouldn’t you? I don’t care why he’s doing it, I think he’s doing the world a service. Don’t you?
ALLISON IS A VICTIM of Keith. LEARN ABOUT CULTS people! They are very manipulative and they turn new people into recruiters. They brainwash and use collateral on them ( blackmail ) Like Keith did with Allison.
The best thing she can do is to come forward and say he held things over her head like that man did to elizabeth smart.
Yes, she is a victim of Keith. But she is not “absolutely” a victim. I have also read a few things on cults. It’s a thin line, but there’s a line. Your friend crossed it, It doesn’t mean she’s evil or irredeemable, but it does mean she has consequences. Prison most likely. For a time.
I look at it like ” not guilty by reason of insanity” – yes, she was brainwashed, but she also committed unconscionable actions against other humans. There is still a price to be paid – restitution to be made – because harm was done whether she meant it as harm or not. Anyone who fell into this deceitful trap needs help to recover their human and moral equilibrium – including Allison. The degree of criminality assigned to any of these NXian/ESP/DOS/whatever other demented “company” employees is going to be hard to determine because most of them are totally mind-fucked. When an individual starts spewing some remorse and taking some responsibility over how they have affected others, that’s when I will cut them some slack. Until then, they are all the equivalent of rabid dogs – figuratively shoot on sight to protect the innocent. What the justice system will make of all of them remains to be seen.
Well said Justme, I reckon all the women in Raniere’s cult-thrall are his victims. Some may have colluded for reasons of blatant self-interest, but even here the decision making process could be dissonant. Some may see him for what he is yet, still share his psychopathic ambitions. There will be much to discover in the stories of these women. But for me remorse is the only way of gauging wether or not a person understands that their actions have hurt others and maybe themselves. How to summon sympathy and forgiveness for the sly and indifferent?
This was originally posted in response to a comment. But I wanted to repost it here because I feel it’s important. I’m not blaming her for what Allison turned into. However, she wasn’t just a brief pretty face. She spent 8 years! That’s college times two! In this obviously shady organization moving up the ranks. Her brain got a good scrubbing. That’s for sure. No denying that. Her responsibility now is to admit it (she surely knows it happened) at a public level. For the rest of us! The tentacles run deep from the silly The Sword to the very serious The Children’s Rainbow Cultural Center… Website still open for business! We don’t need people hiding and starting up again because it didn’t get enough media coverage. I don’t want my kid to come across leftovers who rebuilt 10 years from now.
I mean no disrespect to any of the opinions expressed here – I see many writers struggling to find sympathy and explanations for these attractive and talented women. Unfortunately, every time I see Allison Mack’s initials cleverly intertwined into the horrific KR cattle brand, I lose all sympathy. SHAME ON HER! How could she not know that a searing hot brand pressed onto flesh will cause agonizing pain and scarring?? But frankly I am not concerned with either of them right now. I am focused on keeping the monster who perpetuated all this behind bars – before trial and after. If he slips the net yet again, this will go on and on and on… Look at the end result of the Branch Davidians and the followers of Jim Jones. We are on the verge of avoiding similar scenarios. Knock on wood!!
In regards to Kristen. You only have to go to twitter and look at her account. Sarah Edmonson who was branded and came forward to the media has stated and i quote
“For the record, my dear friend @MsKristinKreuk was never in the inner circle of #NXIVM. She never recruited sex slaves and has been out since 2013 before shit got weird. She is a lovely person who should not be dragged into this mess. Thank you. #Cult #DOS #freedom #TRUTH”
Kristen herself has said she left in 2012 at the first mention of sexual allegations against Keith. Kristen did the right thing, as did her boyfriend Mark who is an actor and was a teacher there.
Yes Allison may have come in through Kristen BEFORE 2012 but allison chose to stay in. There is a big difference.
NXIVM had two sides
Side one: What they showed the public ( self-help programs)
Side two: What they DID NOT show the public and DID NOT show anyone who wasn’t in the inner circle.
Join any local church and you will find out more about that place and its wrong doing when you are invited to leader meetings. Until then you are just a church goer. It’s the same damn thing.
Kristen didn’t make it to the inner circle and thats why she never saw anything wrong and left in 2012. Allison stayed in.
But also bear in mind. ( KEITH used manipulative tactics such as COLLATERAL ) to get people to stay in and do his bidding. That’s fear based manipulation. One person might walk away and risk it. Another person might not. Each person deals with fear in different ways.
I think the true villain in this all is KEITH. Everyone else is a victim to some degree ( brainwashing, manipulation and blackmailing tactics)
He preyed on the WEAK in spirit like a true predator.
I will admit I feel sad for Allison. Prior to her meeting Keith, you could see a normal women who basked in creativity and was searching for something of depth in her life. Under the right circumstances, she would have thrived. It’s unfortunate she fell in with the wrong crowd and was brainwashed. I think she is more of a victim in this case who has been so heavily brainwashed and through the use of damming collateral against her has had to follow this man and do his bidding or else be exposed for whatever collateral she handed over.
Yes, being essentialy head of the slaves gave her power and a purpose that she wasn’t getting elsewhere. But the really chilling thing is she was doing all this while still taking roles in theatre etc.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
There’s consequences. Not only this blog, but consequences for luring friends into shady dealings. She recruited Allison. Oooops! There’s just no way to just slide away after that truth. If there was no Allison, she might not have made the news. But there is, and she did. Everyone involved should do their tiny part in the expose. She might want to consider a 60 minutes to simply tell her whole story once and for all.
Aliz, I don’t think it’s right to blame Kristen. When she got involved it was a self-help program. She was not aware of DOS and by the time she learned about Keith in 2012 she left. If Allison chose to stay that is on her. Allison has had lots of chances to leave. 2012, 2017, 2018 but she stayed with this man. Had Allison been smart or able to she should have left in 2012
I’m not blaming her for what Allison turned into. However, she wasn’t just a brief pretty face. She spent 8 years! That’s college times two! In this obviously shady organization moving up the ranks. Her brain got a good scrubbing. That’s for sure. No denying that. Her responsibility now is to admit it (she surely knows it happened) at a public level. For the rest of us! The tentacles run deep from the silly The Sword to the very serious The Children’s Cultural Center… Website still open for business! We don’t need people hiding and starting up again because it didn’t get enough media coverage. I don’t want my kid to come across leftovers who rebuilt 10 years from now.
Kreuk is as guilty as anyone else ever involved in NXIVM who has brought in people or worked for them including you Frank Parlato. We all have something, someone were responsible for in this crazy circus. Someone we introduced to this crazy man or something we did for this company either before or after NXIVM.
Yes there are some who have done more damage like Allsion Mack, Lauren and Nancy Salzmen, Ben Meyers and Steve Ose (NXIVM’s two lying IT guys) and Karen Unterreiner. Let’s not forget Pam Cafritz and Barbara Jeske (both dead now). How about Kristen Keeffe and all the legal work she did. How about the Bronfman sister and all the money they gave this mad man? Le”s not forget the one who tops off the #1 stop for most damage done Keith himself.
What about those that opened Centers and than closed them when they found out what was really going on?
Should we drag in those who have left and spoken out also, what about those they left behind? What about those who were involved with Keith in his early days of CBI who knew he was up to no good?
Should their names be dragged through the mud? How about every Coach / Proctor who left NXIVM knowing something was fishy but left in silence because they didn’t want to be dragged through the legal system spending every last dollar they and their family had defending themselves over lies that NXIVM / Keith could come up with?
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Frank you need to stop this crap. When are you going to learn to leave this poor women alone? How about focusing on those that have done the real damage? The only proof you have is she was a member of NXIVM, she brought in Allision of her own free will and at least one other person, that’s what it takes to become a coach.
Big deal a lot of us were in NXIVM (some in CBI) and knew something wasn’t right but we didn’t know how bad it really was. When we found out how bad it was, we left.
Just like you did, just like Sarah did, just like Mark did, just like Toni did, just like Susan did, just like Joe did, just like Barbara did, just like other DOS women did, just like Kristin did. Everyone has their breaking point. 1000″s have left in silence and it’s been OK for for them to do that. Why are you picking on this one person. Enough is Enough
Are high comments really that important to you? Is all this infighting really that important to you all to you people?
This is the last post I will ever read on this poor woman who I feel is being victimized by this blog and blogger. If you continue Frank Parlato to victimized her like you have the ex-women of DOS in the pass, than I will be an ex-blog reader as I suggest other who hate reading this kind of crap become. I don’t support bully and I’m not going to support it on this blog.
Nice post.
Yep.
Um, Kreuk is in the news right now because she made a public statement.
That statement involves a cult in the news right now because the cult leader has been arrested with further arrests sure to come.
But you expect Frank Parlato and other news outlets to ignore developments in the story? To ignore Kreuk?
Are you famous? Consider yourself lucky that news outlets aren’t interested in your story.
Kreuk has been in the public eye since 2004. And she, like you, decided to get involved with a cult which is very much in the public eye. Unlike you, she is famous and has had to deal with paparazzi and stalkers (including commenter SOS, who went so far as to contact Kreuk’s parents). So she has far more skills than you do, and a team of people, including manager and agent, to help her deal with and navigate the challenges.
Someone mentioned that Kreuk speaking up earlier (as others did), particularly when the shocking branding story was made public, could have established her credibility and minimized the current interest in her role in the cult. That’s probably very accurate.
And Kreuk did do damage, though you are unable to acknowledge that. Her celebrity made the cult appealing and non-threatening to people. Maybe even you.
She made a public statement because she was linked to lies that she willingly brought people into a “sex cult”. She doesn’t need to establish “credibility”. She had been gone from the cult for years and she was linked to it as click bait in a sensationalized article. There was absolutely no evidence that she had anything whatsoever to do with the “sex cult” aspect of the group. It was a malevolent attempt to sully someone’s character for their own agenda driven purposes.
That cult was barely in the public eye until recently when it became national news due to the concurrent revelation of DOS with the #metoo movement. It’s been around for almost two decades and local authorities haven’t done anything for that amount of time and people are criticizing a minor celebrity who was taking courses because she wanted to overcome her shyness and other human potential blockers and believed it to be a group that was for the promotion of ethics.
I never contacted Kristin’s “parents” loser. I sent her father an email at his public work email that I don’t even know if he read, let alone received. If that’s what you call stalking you’re a moron.
You’re the same agenda driven loser who thinks that they can keep mislead from reality by repeating the same falsehoods ad nauseum and it will stick.
Frank, as well as the other now convicted child porn blogger, have been after Kristin before she made a statement. It has always brought both of them high ratings. More so than any story on Keith himself. So you are a delusional with why he is writing about this. He got him on 2 shows in inside edition. Did he get paid for those interviews?
If this was really about pointing out people’s responsibility for what they have done with ESP or Keith, then let the flogging begin. You’re going to need a pretty big firing squad like I’ve already mentioned. Anyone who did more than a 5 or 15 day intensive and got the hell out of their has some responsibility in supporting the real jerk who should be the focus here.
If Frank is going to focus on Kristin, why not focus on others? How about focus on Catherine in the same way, she got her daughter involved who is still deeply lost? She’s made out to be a hero in all this.
Why not focus on Toni the same way? She lived with Keith why he raped young teenage girls who Toni admits she knew but didn’t know he was raping them. She ran two different business with him and turned a blind eye while he slept with other older women at the same time.
Why not focus on Barbara the same way, she was part of the inner circle, was one of Keith girlfriends, on the executive board, testified in legal cases for them before she left, now she’s a hero?
How about Mark, he ran a Center in LA, he was on their film crew, he brought in way more people the Kreuk did? Why is he not being nailed to the cross?
What about Susan and Sarah? They both ran centers, why are they now heroes?
What about Kristin Keeffe? She was Keith right hand woman for decades? She handled legal cases against Toni, Joe, Susan, Barbara, Rick Ross and countless others. How many stories have you read on this blog about her and the evil she did for KR?
I think they are all heroes in my mind. So are those that left and for whatever reason didn’t take a public stand. We have no idea what conversations have gone on between Kristin and Allison. It’s not my place to judge her as I can see no harm other than a friend doing what another friend was doing.
Allison and Kristin were friends and it’s pretty normal for friends to do what friends do. Allison and Kristin both started about the same time. Kristin went because her boyfriend at the time had gone.
The cult part of ESP is deeply hidden and hard to see. It’s not like you walk in the doors and there is sex all over the place. It’s clearly hidden. Kristin for whatever reason decided it wasn’t her cup of tea and left. It doesn’t means she is responsible for Allison’s decision for leaving acting, moving to Albany, sleeping with Keith or becoming his 2nd in command in DOS.
Am I famous, no. I’m I lucky no. Have I had my name all over both blogs more than likely. Have I had to pay for leaving, more than likely, have I aided with helping expose this man, more than likely, do I still have friends on the inside, more than likely. Was I stupid for getting involved, I was lied to by a very well oiled machine of manipulators like a lot of others.
Until you have been there you will never know what it was like so there is no way to know how this group slowly sucks people into what looks like a normal self-help training program. The cult part is hidden deep in the sewer of the homes and condos of Clifton Park. Not at the training Center. Most people never make it to those homes.
Very good points made.
Catherine Oxenberg wasn’t a recruiter. You can’t compare because she only made the mistake to trust a friend about this organisation. She wasn’t involved in it. She hated it. When she learned about it, she wanted to save her daughter. You can’t put the blame on her because she is the only parent who fights for her child when some find this ok. Concerning Kristin Kreuk, i don’t think she should be blamed either for what Allison has done. She left years before DOS, year before Mark Hildred, her ex, who dragged her into nxium first.
Well said, and agree completely. I don’t know what you want from her, Frank. What you have done to expose Keith is amazing but Kristin is not someone that needs to be dragged through the mud. She publicly denounced the organization, and left long ago (which you know is true). It’s like you are selective in what you want to believe based on how many views you can get. Enrolling someone into ESP does not warrant this. We all enrolled people into ESP, it’s a fucking MLM! We also thought it was to better our lives and our friends’ lives, the vast majority of people did not have knowledge of what was going on. In fact, some of the women thought they were the only one sleeping with Keith. The wool was over their eyes. Pay attention to the people that are still proponents of the organization and are actually being abusive.
I don’t think it’s right to blame Kristen. When she got involved it was a self-help program. She was not aware of DOS and by the time she learned about Keith in 2012 she left. If Allison chose to stay that is on her. Allison has had lots of chances to leave. 2012, 2017, 2018 but she stayed with this man. Had Allison been smart or able to she should have left in 2012
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My opinions:
1) K. Kreuk, brainwashed, lucky enough to have someone who cared about her to pull her out of the Cult of Keith.
2) A. Mack, perpetrator.
3) Sarah Edmondson, enigmatic heroine. She said in the 20/20 interview that when she met K. Raniere and was exposed to ESP, “a veil was lifted”. Stayed with the Cult of Keith for 10 years, likely profiting from the Vancouver center. Only the smell of burning flesh brought her to her senses.
4) Clare Bronfman, likely lying in the fetal position in Fiji, awaiting the inevitable.
5) Frank Parlato, the straw that stirred the drink. Without his lust for revenge against Raniere/Bronfman/Salzman, it would be business as usual for the Cult of Keith in the Capital District.
Funniest thing I’ve read: In Monday’s Times Union, some of the truly brainwashed were heard to say that the Vanguard staged his own arrest
to determine who among his followers was truly loyal to the cause.
Some media salaciously links Kristin to the same DOS recruitment as Ally Wack, and that is done intentionally to get eyeballs. It is unsubstantiated and unfair….however, when it comes to NXIVM things are different.
We know Kristin recruited at least some people to get her coach sash, but her real “recruitment” for NXIVM (not DOS) was just being the popular, pretty, Poster Girl.
That much is obvious.
Just look at all the comments generated whenever a FR post mentions her name. Well over 100 on her “denial” and already approaching 50 on this post…which actually is about her AND Ally Wack, but virtually all are comments on Kristin.
Just as she gets comments here, she would get young women (and men) interested in NXIVM just by being a member. She didn’t have to actively recruit (tho maybe she did) but she would draw people into the ESP spider web with her popularity, reputation, and tacit endorsement.
Maybe she knew she was being used as the “face” of NXIVM, maybe thinking ESP was a valid and helpful tool, or maybe she was clueless…regardless, she “recruited” for years…YEARS BEFORE DOS.
Thank you
Please. She couldn’t even get any of the “Girls by Design” girls into NXIVM and here is another person trying to suggest the same thing over and over again that Kristin brought in many people because she was a “face” or a “poster girl” to the organization. Except there is no such thing as “face” or “poster girl” to this organization. NXIVM doesn’t advertise themselves. They completely rely on friends, family, business or other interpersonal relationships via word of mouth to recruit people. Even Marc Elliot in the secretly recorded phone call video on the YouTube that was posted in one of the comments here admitted as much.
Most of the people posting here are the same supporters or haters of Kristin defending or hating on her. That’s why it has a ton of comments.
As far as internet articles are concerned, we know exactly how negative media attention and click bait works for public personalities.
This argument that she was responsible for bringing in “many” people because a lot of people knew her because she is a minor celebrity who was once on a popular WB show over a decade ago is just unsubstantiated nonsense that rides off nothing but a claim or her alleged popularity because she’s a public personality. That’s why whenever someone asks to support a count of these alleged “many” people she supposedly brought in, they can never do so.
…who stalked Kristin’ s parents. So did her dad call the cops on you?
“They completely rely on friends, family, business or other interpersonal relationships via word of mouth to recruit people.”
Word of mouth equals: “You know Kristin Kreuk is a member?”
“she is a minor celebrity who was once on a popular WB show over a decade ago.”
She was on Smallville for the first few years she was in NXIVM and still a celeb when she left.
Even without any NXIVM advertising, she was the face/poster girl for ESP in very episode or commercial or interview she did in her 7 years with ESP…”Oh, I hear she is a member, so it must be ok if she’s in it.”
Yeah, so what?
The claim is she brought in “many” people due to her celebrity. That somehow the latter impacted recruitment and sales at such a substantial level that her name is warranted to be dragged through the mud for something *secretive* formed many years after she left and didn’t (directly for sure) or (indirectly as alleged) have anything at all to do with.
Substantiate it by quantifying it. This is how evidence works. Let us measure this supposed impact that exceeds the influence of people like Mark Vicente or Sarah Edmondson whose main source of income for years was due to being the head proctors of the LA and Vancouver NXIVM centers, respectively. Let’s see a list of the “many” names of people who can say they were brought in and eventually joined a “sex cult” many years after the fact solely because Kristin Kreuk was a part of the group. Otherwise, it’s just an empty assertion that rides on the vague notion that she’s a public personality.
sigh………………..
“Substantiate it by quantifying it. This is how evidence works. Let us measure this supposed impact ”
Are you from Knife Media? Your ability to spin and slant until nothing is connected to anything real is impressive. You are not impressive. Just your ability to disengage from reality.
Kristin Kreuk attracted people to the cult the same way she attracted you to be crazy and stalky. She never extended you an invitation, yet here you are.
“Are you from Knife Media?”
Poisoning the well.
“Your ability to spin and slant until nothing is connected to anything real is impressive. You are not impressive. Just your ability to disengage from reality.”
It’s called backing up your claims with evidence. It’s part of a process called rational reasoning. It’s actually what’s done when you *exist* in Reality and want people to believe a claim you’ve made.
“Kristin Kreuk attracted people to the cult the same way she attracted you to be crazy and stalky. She never extended you an invitation, yet here you are.”
False equivalence.
Kristin Kreuk attracts people for subjective reasons. She attracted me because I think she’s beautiful and a good actress and person. She didn’t attract me to become an actor because she is one. She didn’t attract me to join the cult either because she was a part of it. Otherwise, I would’ve joined because I’m so “stalky”. These two facts point to another causal factor as to why people would join the latter.
Good looking people have been used as sales people for all types of businesses to bring in sales. It doesn’t mean they succeed in selling a product. Like the dumbass you are, that isn’t a sufficient enough reason to substantiate the claim over and above the counterpoints given in my previous comments.
Nice red herring anyways.
You’ve got nothing. Nada. Zilch. Otherwise you would produce it.
As far as the “stalky” thing is concerned, that’s pretty ironic coming from a guy who hides behind different aliases to stalk the alias he knows.
I don’t think it’s right to blame Kristen. When she got involved it was a self-help program. She was not aware of DOS and by the time she learned about Keith in 2012 she left. If Allison chose to stay that is on her. Allison has had lots of chances to leave. 2012, 2017, 2018 but she stayed with this man. Had Allison been smart or able to she should have left in 2012
There will be more news of all the arranged marriages to come.
http://blindgossip.com/?p=90956
Frank, firstly thank you for your work. As someone said below, Kristin may not be the bravest or smartest, she did recruit for the cult (including Allison), and knows more than she is letting on. Her statement was poor but you should make absolutely clear she had nothing to do with DOS and doesn’t agree with the slavery of women. It goes too far and is untrue and unfair. She has been out for years. She has something to answer for but you don’t make the NXIVM/DOS distinction clear enough. In the ‘gray’ areas of who knew what, some attention should also be paid to all the people who gave fawning videos for KR Conversations e.g. Mark Hildreth, Grace Park, Marc Elliot, Richard Mays (a judge!). Also it seems that you have bunch of unbalanced people from all sides commenting including those with unhealthy celebrity obsessions and whacko pizzgate type conspiracy theorists. So, you should start being a bit more factual and judicial with your words especially with a court case coming up. Finally, we should all remember Raniere is the ultimate sociopathic criminal here.
Can I second all of this? Kreuk is not the main perpetrator here, it’s Raniere and it’s tiring reading the posts back and forth debating what KK knew. She says flat out that she wasn’t involved in DOS and that should be our focal point. It;s the branding and blackmailing of women that’s the crime, not how many people KK recruited.
I don’t see anyone mentioning pizzagate but the Todd and Clare plot to paint Assange as a pedo did happen- look it up. I made clear I think there is a very slim chance the cult was involved, but having read about some of the other things they’ve done, well, sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Vanguard and some of his followers are not the most stable people, putting it mildly.
Love IS NOT in the air. I just visited the webpage of NXIVM, and guess what? There is NOT one single picture or reference to either Emiliano Salinas or Alex Betancourt. NXIVM must have changed all of their webpage content in the last couple of days because up until then, they presented both Emiliano and Betancourt as prominent members of the company. I am surprised aparently there has been no previous comments about this move which I find very much revealing of whatever is going on within their organization.
You can go to archive.org and see all the old pages in the wayback machine. It looks like everything changed around the 29th of March.
I have no sympathy for the adults. Even the brainwashed ones. Their lust to be part of a group of elites and their elite money led to their eventual troubles. NXIVM was like the good looking girl showing a lot of attention. Good looking girl = flattered. Ugly girl = f*ck off, you stalker. If a Baptist church group with little money had approached them in the same manner as NXIVM, those same people would have had no problem saying “no thank you”. Those members who were direct or even partial enablers of hurting children in any way should all go to jail for the rest of their lives. All! Whether you like them on a tv show or not
Yes. when the Jehova’s witnesses knock on my door I don’t bother to answer, and if I do, I tell them I’m a communist, and they turn and walk away. Once Boris Johnson, a prominent Tory, now cabinet member of the conservative government, knocked on my door, canvassing for an election. I am a fully paid up member of the opposition party, yet, I let him and some neighbours in, made tea for him, and we sat in an excited thrall, listening to him yadder on for almost an hour.
My mother was disgusted with me. I was disgusted with me. I guess I’m no more immune to the power of celebrity than most. Which, Im guessing is the point of deploying such a thing in the first place.
Does anyone know if cult members were involved with supporting Clinton? The reason I ask is because during the election there was a really bizarre incident where some unknown group tried to frame Julian Assange as a pedo. The work that went into this plot was extensive: they set up a fake online dating service called Todd and Clare, made dozens of videos with spokesmodels, created a history for the dating site by posting about it in forums, etc. All this was done to give Todd and Clare a veneer of respectability. They first tried to blackmail Assange by offering him a considerable sum of money to appear in an ad, saying the money had been provided by the Russians. He didn’t take the bait. Keep in mind, this was being done at the same time it became known Hillary’s emails had been hacked. So on the day that it was expected Wikileaks was gonna release damaging emails about Hillary, Todd and Clare put into action this bizarre social media campaign accusing Assange of being a pedo. It quickly fell apart and most media outlets didn’t fall for it. But if you look into it, a ton of time and not an insignificant amount of money was spent to try and make Todd and Clare appear legit- we’re talking dozens of videos, dozens of women hired to appear in videos, etc. The Todd and Clare website now has a ton of racist, neo-nazi type stuff on it. Maybe they were hacked and someone else is now in control of it. Just a really strange episode. I read Vanguard (LOL! How could anyone call themselves that?) had an interest in Nazis and of course Clare is the name of a key member. Probably no relation but it was such a crazy attempt to frame Assange, and hearing about some of the other things the cult has attempted to do, I would not be completely shocked if it turned out some members were involved (though I strongly doubt it).
Oh wow!….yes Anonymous, I’m sure that fake online site could be attributed to these monsters. Another person to watch here is Liz Crokin, a so-called journalist.
However, I doubt if any if that fake dating site stuff was done because they may support Clinton ….they probably have other reasons for doing it. BTW – Neo Nazi propagandists are all alt-right Trumpers, right?
If you read some of my previous comments, I question whether Keith has ties to alt-right groups because one such group is called Vanguard America (and his choice of title is somewhat suspicious ).
Another interesting point- these alt-right Trumpers were making a big fuss about the sealed indictments, and it seems likely now that many of those indictments were in fact connected to NXIVM. Some politicians may be involved as well….we will soon see.
The entire Todd and Clare plot seemed to be to discredit Assange/Wikileaks and blunt the impact of the release of the emails. They released the report accusing Assange of being a pedo on the same day the media was expecting the Clinton emails to be released. It seems like a guy with a Nigerian name who lived in Australia was involved but he has not been heard from and I’m skeptical he could have pulled it off by himself assuming he was involved. It was just too elaborate, too much time and money put into it. I suspect he might have been contracted though. Whoever was behind it, they wanted to hurt Assange. That seems to have been the primary motivation. The behavior was very bizarre. There is no shortage of people looking to discredit Assange, but if it had been a state actor or a professional smear merchant like Sidney Blumenthal or Cody Shearer, it wouldn’t have been so strange the way they went about it. Whoever concocted it was a strange individual.
Keith’s Ayn Rand love and holocaust-denying also align him with the alt-right.
And, no surprise, Knife Media aligns alt-right too. Witness their embracing of alt-right heroes like Jordan Peterson and James Damore, and their vocal anti-support of the #metoo movement.
I don’t get why women even join. The “teachings” must be really innocuous at the outset. The video with Keith talking about women and orgasm in some upper level class is absolutely horrifying.
When watching what these fanatical groups do – (as I’ve been forced to do lately)- you will see that they will often “false flag” …by which I mean they will actually discredit themselves at times to distract from certain events, so it’s difficult to really understand what is going on.
On a personal level I’ve been harassed by people ,whom I believed are involved in an alt-right group, for a few years now.. 2 days ago they actually hired someone to enter my place of employment, armed with a photo of me taken from a SM site, and question my coworkers about me.
These fanatical groups are made up of brainwashed individuals who are so far gone they have lost all empathy for others. It’s scary.
That is terrifying!!!
And it’s absolutely heartbreaking that you have to deal with this, and have had to deal with this for so long.
And it’s criminal behavior. Log everything and share it all with the police.
https://www.justice.gov/ovw/stalking
Entering your workplace? Thats a fully witnessed ‘stalking’crime. The feds have to help you, surely.
Keep safe Flowers.
Knife media is part of NXVIM.
As for why women join, you need to understand CULTS.
They don’t market themselves as a cult and tell them you are going to be branded and have sex.
Its like an onion.
The outer layer is what he public sees ( SELF HELP, WOMENS MEETINGS LIKE JNESS, SOCIAL FOR ACTORS)
Next layer is meetings and events.
Next layer is friendship and mentors
Next layer is invites to teach what you know
Next layer is invite out to TRAINER Only events
Next layer is your mentor says we have an inner circle, to join you need to do XYZ
By this point, they are brainwashed. They have broken down their identity and replaced it with their own.
Final layer is the inner circle where the weird crap happens. ( By that point they have collateral to blackmail you, they have broken your spirit and brainwashed you into believe its all normal )
spot on, flowers. the content of the knife, that which you can access without joining, is obviously pro-Trump and alt-righty. I think Raniere’s predilection for starved un-groomed women has nothing to do with a taste for athletic bodies, but rather bodies that look like concentration camp victims. Raniere is definitely a not-so-closet Nazi sympathiser, remember he claimed to have info that disproved the holocaust? wasn’t that the reason Ed. Bronfman was supposed to have ‘sabotaged his brilliant real estate deals? I hate, with a committed passion, all those who try to re-write that particular episode of history.
“I WAS THERE” post names and details. What happened at the parties? If she was so brainwashed and enamored, was she getting balled by Raniere.? Why leave??
Allison dabbled? ALLISON MOVED TO ALBANY.
You seem nice.
That was sarcasm, just in case you didn’t get it.
You think Kreuk would appreciate your ugly profane defense of her? Especially defense not rooted in reality? Crazy people coming to her defense does Kreuk no favors. And unhinged crazy people who were not there yet speak as if they were, should seek mental help, and fast.
Kreuk was involved from about 2005 (age 23) to 2013 (5 years ago). Eight years. Eight years! That counts as brainwashed. And during that time, she persuaded many to join the cult, including Mack.
Mack got involved a year or two later and moved to Clifton Park in 2011, when she left Smallville.
Clyne joined in 2006 and moved to Clifton Park in 2008, when she left Battlestar Galatica.
Also, impersonating a judge, a public office, is a crime.
I keep seeing that Kristin Kreuk persuaded “many” to join the cult, yet I see no one actually list these “many” names. Where is this mysterious list of “many” names?
I also see people repetitively conflating the fact that Kristin brought people into NXIVM for personal improvement with the notion that she willingly and knowingly brought women into a group to eventually sleep with its fraud of a leader. Where is the evidence for this? She recruited people because NXIVM is an MLM business that is what this type of business *does*. It is entirely *dependent* upon bringing in people to continuously pay for its product(s) in order to make money. In this particular case, the product was a constant stream of modules that people take because they want to improve themselves or “reach their potential”. This was nothing new. HPM movements like Landmark Education existed well before “The Vanguard” decided to rip off the idea and create his own company based on it using the MLM business model. Apparently, it’s the only type of business model than Vanguard knows how to exploit.
Allison was brought in by Kristin but she was persuaded to remain by the constant love bombing of the Bronfman and the Salzmans.
Kristin wasn’t so “brainwashed” as to ever move to Albany. I remember reading something about her actually considering doing so with Allison, but something (or someone) kept her from it and I for one am glad it or they did.
“Where is this mysterious list of “many” names?” and “She recruited people because NXIVM is an MLM business that is what this type of business *does*.”
Make up your mind!
Also, do you imagine those people would be willing to have their names on a public list associated with NXIVM? You would do that to them? Out people without their consent? No wonder you don’t have friends.
“Make up your mind!”
Ah, another braniac here. Just because MLMs ask you to recruit doesn’t mean you’re successful at it. Duh.
“Also, do you imagine those people would be willing to have their names on a public list associated with NXIVM? You would do that to them? Out people without their consent?”
I wouldn’t know for sure. They were willing enough to do so when they joined.
But I’m more interested in people who keep making claims that attempt to sully people but don’t have anything to show for it. All I see in response to requests to validate them lame attempts at excuses when called out for it.
Case in point.
” No wonder you don’t have friends.”
I see the stalking continues.
Poor guy. So obsessed with me because of my “obsession” he stalks and internet alias.
Frank — Do you stand by the comments you made to the NY Post claiming that Kreuk was “in the inner circle” and that she was one of “Raniere’s top sex-slave recruiters” cuz at least three former NXIVMs — Sarah Edmondson, Maja Milkovich, and Kayla Grosse– have publicly backed up Kreuk’s statement that she was not in the inner circle nor did she recruit “sex slaves.”
Kristen didn’t willingly participate in DOS. I’m disgusted that you are dragging her through the mud. What about all the other actresses involved??? Like Nicki?? People who actually are willingly pimping out young women? Have you talked to anyone from Girls by Design? My friend was in it and never even took Jness or ESP. Report on Allison, Nicki, and their minions. Leave the people who are trying to move on out of this. It’s disgusting and wrong. To say people owe anything is self righteous bullshit and serves your own agenda.
Kristin (it’s spelled with 2 i’s, Moron) knew exactly what Keith was doing. Everyone knew Keith was taking advantage of and would sleep with the new female recruits. We were all caught up, because the Cult made us feel like part of a family. An ‘us versus them’ … would you report your best friend to the police? Of course not. That is how we were taught. That is how the cult operated.
Before I first started with NXIVM, people in the film community warned me about Kreuk. They said that Kreuk was the brainwashed one, and Allison Mack was just dabbling with NXIVM. When I joined, I was made to feel special and accepted. Keith was leading us to a brave new world of logic, Ayn Rand, etc. But it was all a lie. That’s what cults do, they bring you in and brainwash you.
Everything Frank said is correct. If anything, Frank probably knows more details about Kreuk’s involvement.
I lived it. I saw it. I was there. PERIOD.
OK I’ll play along. If “everyone knew Keith was taking advantage of and would sleep with the new female recruits” that would mean that Frank P knew too back in 2007/2008 when he met with the heads of the snake and went to work for them for $1 million dollars. Since he was the one arranging the publicity for the celebrities to lure girls into keith’s bed, that would make him Keith’s pimp before Allison.
I don’t believe that Frank needs any help from anyone, but I can’t help myself here, as this is beyond disingenuous:
I don’t believe a single person here believes that when FormerNexian states that “Everyone knew Keith was taking advantage of and would sleep with the new female recruits”, she means that every newborn in Timbuktu is aware of Keith’s psychopathic and exploitive personality. It’s obvious to a normal person that the reference is to everyone that was was part of the NXIVM web. Which Frank was not.
Giving up your life and self to a guru – and immersing yourself with its other followers – can not be compared to taking on a paid PR job with the Guru’s organization. I don’t think it’s standard operating procedure to inquire about sex abuse when negotiating a business relationship.
Keep digging your own hole you lying sack of shit.
Thank you for sharing your experience and insights!!
And bravo for getting out, not easy to do, you are awesome.
Why, when people were warning you about the cult beforehand, did you still get involved with it? Was it because so many of the people seemed to be successful, well to do, healthy, attractive and you wanted to be part of that? You thought it would help your career? There had to be people telling you to stay away. Interesting that Ayn Rand was so central to his teaching. That was probably music to the ears of some of the wealthier members.
That’s the whole point. It’s so sinister and subtle, you don’t realize it until it’s too late.
And I did read the stories beforehand, but I brushed them off because I thought it was just internet trolls.
But Keith is so nice, he disarms you. He has all the answers. He’s peaceful and kind. His followers would say he was the Messiah.
Only by leaving, do you realize the guy is a combo of David Koresh and Jim Jones.
I believe you, FormerNexian, and also share your feeling about Frank a) being correct and b) knowing more than he has let on.
I don’t have to watch videos. I lived it. I saw Kristin recruit hot young female slaves for Keith. I’ve been to her house in Vancouver. I attended the parties paid for by Mark Hildreth.
I don’t have to watch videos, because I was there. By denying her involvement, all that will happen is that she will eventually be exposed as a brainwashed total liar.
You lived nothing. You’ve already shown yourself to be a lying sack of shit who could never put a name to the alias so that your credibility could be tested.
You’re abusive, bad-tempered, and crazy.
“Magical thinking is the belief that one’s own thoughts, wishes, or desires can influence the external world.”
Saying something does not make it true.
I’m crying inside.
Maybe I get abusive, bad-tempered, and crazy when someone who is a lying piece of shit pretends to be someone they’re obviously not in an attempt to disparage someone I know.
Sure! *wink wink*
So let’s see, we have one person who was part of NXIVM, and then was smart enough to get out, and kind enough to share their experience with us. And we have you, spouting bat-shit crazy stuff that sounds exactly like a NXIVM cultist.
What this individual said. Having found how difficult it was to get away after one 5 day intensive, I have a great deal of respect for anyone who has ever left NXIVM regardless of how long or short their time was. They should be congratulated, not attacked.
He was so kind he commented first to this blog post and it just happened to be a shitfest on the Kreuk laden with lies.
Yeah, what a guy of great character.
I throw many people under the bus here, including Kreuk, but this goes too far. These allegations are nothing more than that. Yes, she has been their poster girl and she might have liked being wooed by all of her new friends. This is all that can be proven at the moment. Is it likely that she told friends and close ones about NXIVM in her early days? Yes. If you are enthusiastic about something, you tell the people around you about it. Do we know if she did it with the intention to recruit new members? Maybe. Can we be sure she knew the cult’s intention? No.
It is easy to attack someone for the decisions that person made or had to make based on incomplete information as they cannot defend themselves. On top of that. these people tend to be in positions that do not require you to make these kinds of decisions aka lawyers and judges..
She might not be the braves one walking this planet or the smartest one as she did not see through it early on but at least she found her spine a few days back. That is more than her former boyfriend managed to do – an he stayed for five further years.
So if Kreuk was the heavy recruiter you are claiming, why did she remain at the lowest sash color after 5-6 years while Allison, who you claim was just “dabbling”, rose above her during the same time frame?
Hey Anonymous, You should be careful stating things as facts. “[R]ose above her during the same time frame” is inaccurate.
Kristin Kreuk brought in Kendra Voth and Allison Mack not long after Kristin joined. All three became Vancouver coaches by fall 2011, and at that time Kristin and Allison were both yellow sash with two stripes.
Why was Mark paying when Kristin was making at least 10 times as much money as he was?
I don’t know why. Ask Mark. Mark Hildreth is the guy who initiated this whole thing. He grew up with his Grandparents and has many insecurities because of that.
He is a weak-minded person Nice guy, but susceptible to manipulation. Why did he pay for parties? Well he probably has more cash since he is a freeloader and lives at Kristin’s house, for free.
But only Mark knows. Go to Twitter. DM him or email him. Ask him why.
“Mark is a freeloader and lives at Kristin’s house, for free.”
A “freeloader” doesn’t pay for someone else’s parties.
You sound like you’re making up your “been there” knowledge as you go along.
Frank is right on the money. As a former Nexian/Espian, I can tell you that Kristin Kreuk was so brainwashed, film industry people in Vancouver would avoid her because she individually recruited a ton of young women for NXIVM.
For Kreuk to claim now she HAD.NO.IDEA is like the guards at a Nazi concentration camp to claim they HAD.NO.IDEA that Jews were being tortured and thrown in ovens.
Bullshit, Lady.
You’re retarded and a liar. Nothing stated in any of those videos suggests anything that you said about Kristin Kreuk.
Really? “Retarded?” Who even uses that word any more? Means you’re ancient. Also stupid.
And wishing something true doesn’t make it so.
Ancient, stupid, AND crazy. So you got that going for you, which is nice.
Ok FormerNexian,
As you are well informed, you should be able to name just a few of these tons of people she introduced into the cult. Which of her actions made you come to the conclusion that the movie industry is avoiding her? Which action lets you believe she was brainwashed. How do you know she knew about illegal activities?
I called her recent statement a weak denial, because it comes at a very special time and contains nothing of substance that proves or disproves her statement. I do not know if she was honest or not, but I see no reason to not believe her. Maybe she did not talk about the stuff because she wanted distance from them.
You have to separate the image of a person from the actual person. The image Kreuk portrays is that of an innocent, shy, wholesome person. She is not. She is an actor. That is what actors do… they act.
Actors don’t have perfect lives. They have serious problems (probably more serious than ours). And they make serious mistakes. Judge a person by their actions, not their words. Kreuk was heavily involved in NXIVM. Kreuk was entranced by Nancy Salzman and Keith. Through Kreuk, NXIVM gained legitimacy and more recruits. And Kreuk brought in more young women to Keith’s bed that Allison Mack or Nicki Clyne ever did.
Right.
That’s why Kristin’s closest friends and more have all vouched for her. I guess they are just covering for her and we should believe some anonymous poster who sounds more like a jilted or rejected loser with a vendetta against her that has gleaned some background knowledge from all of the information out there on NXIVM rather than some actual insider with any real information.
Very true. If this whole thing has taught us anything, it’s that one’s public persona is not an indication of their entire lives.
And isn’t it interesting to note Allison’s had no friends or co-stars speak in her defense?
Allison only has ‘friends’ left in NXIVM, and none of them are allowed to speak. The rule is that if you address a rumour, you give it validity.
I do think Kreuk screwed up not speaking up sooner as far as any appearance of innocence. If she had spoken up with the branding stories came out last year, she would have more credibility than waiting until now. IMO
I do not care about her public image at all and I do not follow any actors on social media or TV. The problem is that I try to understand the behavior of these people. Keith is a psychopath and a sadist form my point of view. I can see him doing these things as he gains joy or sexual fulfillment from it. As he got away with it over the years he needed higher and higher doses of it.
I can also see why Ms Kreuk is caring about her image in the public and shy and innocent might be better than a slaver who sleeps around. I am just asking for some kind of proof, some data that underlines your hypothesis.
You said that I should judge the person by this person’s action. The problem is that there are no obvious actions visible to me. That is what I am saying. Don’t you think there was a video of something if it existed?
In regards to Kristen. You only have to go to twitter and look at her account. Sarah Edmonson who was branded and came forward to the media has stated and i quote
“For the record, my dear friend @MsKristinKreuk was never in the inner circle of #NXIVM. She never recruited sex slaves and has been out since 2013 before shit got weird. She is a lovely person who should not be dragged into this mess. Thank you. #Cult #DOS #freedom #TRUTH”
Kristen herself has said she left in 2012 at the first mention of sexual allegations against Keith. Kristen did the right thing, as did her boyfriend Mark who is an actor and was a teacher there.
Yes Allison may have come in through Kristen BEFORE 2012 but allison chose to stay in. There is a big difference.
NXIVM had two sides
Side one: What they showed the public ( self-help programs)
Side two: What they DID NOT show the public and DID NOT show anyone who wasn’t in the inner circle.
Join any local church and you will find out more about that place and its wrong doing when you are invited to leader meetings. Until then you are just a church goer. It’s the same damn thing.
Kristen didn’t make it to the inner circle and thats why she never saw anything wrong and left in 2012. Allison stayed in.
But also bear in mind. ( KEITH used manipulative tactics such as COLLATERAL ) to get people to stay in and do his bidding. That’s fear based manipulation. One person might walk away and risk it. Another person might not. Each person deals with fear in different ways.
I think the true villain in this all is KEITH. Everyone else is a victim to some degree ( brainwashing, manipulation and blackmailing tactics)
He preyed on the WEAK in spirit like a true predator.
In regards to Kristen. You only have to go to twitter and look at her account. Sarah Edmonson who was branded and came forward to the media has stated and i quote
“For the record, my dear friend @MsKristinKreuk was never in the inner circle of #NXIVM. She never recruited sex slaves and has been out since 2013 before shit got weird. She is a lovely person who should not be dragged into this mess. Thank you. #Cult #DOS #freedom #TRUTH”
Kristen herself has said she left in 2012, at the first mention of sexual allegations against Keith. Kristen did the right thing, as did her boyfriend, Mark, who is an actor and was a teacher there.
Yes, Allison may have come in through Kristen BEFORE 2012 but Allison chose to stay in. There is a big difference.
NXIVM had two sides
Side one: What they showed the public ( self-help programs)
Side two: What they DID NOT show the public and DID NOT show anyone who wasn’t in the inner circle.
Join any local church and you will find out more about that place and its wrongdoing when you are invited to leader meetings. Until then, you are just a church goer. It’s the same damn thing.
Kristen didn’t make it to the inner circle and that’s why she never saw anything wrong and left in 2012. Allison stayed in.
But also bear in mind. ( KEITH used manipulative tactics such as COLLATERAL ) to get people to stay in and do his bidding. That’s fear based manipulation. One person might walk away and risk it. Another person might not. Each person deals with fear in different ways.
I think the true villain in this all is KEITH. Everyone else is a victim to some degree ( brainwashing, manipulation and blackmailing tactics)
He preyed on the WEAK in spirit like a true predator.