A correspondent who identified herself as someone who has been an ESP coach but who asked to remain anonymous explained what ESP expects from coaches.
ESP Coach explains:
Here is feedback I sent to my coach a couple of years ago…It was in response to a request for coaches to staff an upcoming intensive, and no-one had yet signed up:
This, as you know, takes a great deal of effort from everyone involved. A number of intensives are offered in ….throughout the year. Let’s assume four intensives in a year for the purposes of this analysis. The coaches take time away from their regular jobs, so in many (not all) cases, they are losing income.
The coaches are required to perform some jobs prior to the intensive and usually attend at least one meeting. This takes time and usually money in the form of [commuting] fees.
For five days of an intensive, coaches are required to be at the center by 7 am and it’s rare to leave before 9 pm. There is a 1.5 hours break at noon for lunch. So that’s 12.5 hours of work – timing, cleaning, food prep and cleanup, filming, tidying, staying alert for the head trainer – and once past the shadow stage, running breakout groups. At $15/hour, that’s $187.50 per day or $937.50 for a full five days (not allowing for overtime pay!). Now add in parking or transportation fees – let’s say a minimum of $10 per day, which is on the very low side. Now we’re at $987.50 for five days. And this doesn’t take into consideration coaches who pay to fly in to coach, pay for hotel rooms etc. or any of the work that is done pre-intensive.
We are sold the idea that the coaches are ‘receiving an intensive for free’ . . . but I don’t think that is accurate. Most of the modules are ones that are available in Ethos, which we already pay for. The bonus, of course, is that the modules are debriefed by a higher level trainer than in Ethos.
The Origins modules are not part of the Ethos curriculum; however, the coaches are not receiving the benefit of the EM’s or sourcings during the intensive.
Yes, they are participating in the module; however, it is from a standpoint of helping the proctors and head trainer to deliver the material to the students. By participating, they are becoming better facilitators . . . and it’s apparent the organization needs those.
I think that when coaches volunteer to work an intensive, they are giving the organization an incredible gift of their time. They receive no monetary compensation, and they give up their outside compensation to take part.
In return, they are required to pay a fee called “honor dollar” for each day they participate (I really don’t know what that means since it’s a requirement, so I refer to it here as a fee). The “honor dollar” is to cover heat, light, toilet paper and soap as I understand it.
That fee is waived if they run breakout groups on a given day; however, if they only run groups for part of the day, the fee is assessed. This has happened to me, so I believe it to be true for others. So now we can add on another $10 per day (this has varied from $8 to $30 for me during various intensives – I have no idea where the number comes from – it seems completely arbitrary). The total is now $1,037.50.
We all need to eat to keep up our energy during an intensive. A 14 hour day that can turn into 15 or 16 hours with commuting, makes it pretty difficult to prepare meals for oneself, although certainly it can be done. Coaches are offered to pay $15 – $25 per day to cover food costs for breakfast and dinner.
I have never seen a food budget for an intensive, so I have no idea what the food costs actually are. But I think that when someone is volunteering their time to help an organization that has collected $25,000 – $30,000 in fees from students for an intensive, then perhaps a nice thank you would be to feed them and not charge them an ‘honor dollar’ to cover electricity, toilet paper and cleaning supplies.
The electricity is on for the students, and the center needs to be clean for the students. I think toilet paper and paper towel can’t be a huge part of the center budget, and charging coaches for it is petty in my opinion.
My experience with paying for intensive food is that there is rarely enough, and since the coaches eat last, and usually don’t have much time to eat between tidying, meetings, setting out the food, and cleaning up, it’s really not worth it to pay. I can buy myself a lot of take-out food for less money, so I usually do.
So if the food is not included, the coach is gifting the organization the equivalent of $1,037.50 in labor, fees and commuting/parking costs. If you add in their lost wages for not being at their job, this number goes a lot higher.
This is not receiving an intensive for free. If a coach works four 5-day intensives, then their gift to the organization is the equivalent of $4,150 (at $15/hour). In return, they are observing and learning how to be better facilitators . . . which the organization needs. In essence, coaches are paying for the education that will benefit the employer (ESP).
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Parte 3: ESP entrenador habla de entrenadores: intensivos: entrenadores pagan la educación que benefician a ESP
Un corresponsal que identificó como alguien que ha sido un entrenador ESP pero que pidió anonimato explicó lo que ESP espera de entrenadores.
ESP entrenador explica:
Aquí le damos información envié a mi coche un par de años… Fue en respuesta a una petición de entrenadores para un próximo intensivo del personal, y nadie todavía había firmado:
Intensivos de Coaching:
Esto, como ustedes saben, tiene una gran cantidad de esfuerzo de todos los involucrados. Se ofrece una serie de intensivos en.. .throughout el año. Vamos a suponer cuatro intensivos durante un año para los propósitos de este análisis. Los entrenadores toman tiempo lejos de sus trabajos regulares, por lo que en muchos casos (no todos), están perdiendo ingresos.
Los entrenadores están obligados a realizar algunos trabajos antes de intensivo y generalmente asisten al menos una reunión. Esto toma tiempo y normalmente dinero en forma de honorarios [transporte].
Durante cinco días de una intensa, entrenadores están obligados a estar en el centro de 7:00 y es raro salir antes del 21:00. Hay una rotura de 1,5 horas al mediodía para el almuerzo. Así que 12.5 horas de trabajo – tiempo, limpieza, preparación de alimentos y limpieza, filmación, limpieza, permanecer alerta para el entrenador – y una vez pasado la etapa de sombra, funcionando grupos de breakout. $15 por hora, es decir $187,50 por día o $937,50 para cinco días completos (no permitiendo para el pago de horas extras!). Agregar ahora en cuotas de estacionamiento o transporte – digamos un mínimo de $10 por día, que está en el lado muy bajo. Ahora estamos en $987,50 durante cinco días. Y esto no entrenadores cuenta que pagan para viajar en coche, pagar habitaciones de hotel, etc, o cualquiera del trabajo que se hace uso intensivo de la.
Nos venden la idea de que los coches ‘reciben un intensivo gratis’… pero no creo que sea exacta. La mayoría de los módulos es los que están disponibles en Ethos, que prestamos ya. El bono, por supuesto, es que los módulos son informados por un entrenador de nivel superior que en Ethos.
Los módulos de orígenes no son parte del currículo de ética; sin embargo, los entrenadores no reciben el beneficio de la EM o sourcings durante el intensivo.
Sí, están participando en el módulo; sin embargo, es desde un punto de vista de ayudar a los procuradores y entrenador para entregar el material a los estudiantes. Al participar, se están convirtiendo en facilitadores mejor… y es evidente que la organización los necesita.
Creo que cuando entrenadores voluntarios para trabajar un intensivo, están dando la organización un regalo increíble de su tiempo. No reciben ninguna compensación monetaria, y dan para arriba su compensación fuera a participar.
En cambio, están obligados a pagar una tasa llamada “honor dollar” para cada día participan (realmente no sabemos lo que eso significa ya que es un requisito, por lo que remito a aquí como una cuota). El “honor dollar” es cubrir calor, luz, papel higiénico y jabón, según tengo entendido.
Esa tarifa se renuncia si se ven grupos de arranque un día; sin embargo, si se ven solo los grupos por parte de la jornada, se calcula la cuota. Esto me ha pasado, por lo que creo que es cierto para otros. Así que ahora podemos agregar en otro $10 por día (esto ha variado desde $8 a $30 para mí durante varios intensivos – no tengo ni idea de donde proviene el número – parece totalmente arbitrario). El total es ahora de $1.037,50.
Todos tenemos que comer para mantener nuestra energía durante un intensivo. Un día de 14 horas que se puede convertir en 15 o 16 horas con desplazamientos, hace muy difícil de preparar comidas para uno mismo, aunque ciertamente se puede hacer. Entrenadores se ofrecen a pagar $15 – $25 por día para cubrir costos de los alimentos para el desayuno y la cena.
Nunca he visto un presupuesto de alimentos para un intensivo, por lo que no tengo ni idea de lo que realmente son los costos de los alimentos. Pero creo que cuando alguien es voluntario su tiempo para ayudar a una organización que se ha acumulado $25.000 – $30.000 en cuotas de los estudiantes para un uso intensivo, entonces tal vez sea un agradable gracias a darles de comer y no les cobran un dólar de’ honor’ a electricidad , papel higiénico y artículos de limpieza.
La electricidad es en que los estudiantes, y el centro debe estar limpio para los estudiantes. Creo que papel higiénico y toalla de papel no pueden ser una gran parte del presupuesto del centro, y carga coches para él mezquino en mi opinión.
Mi experiencia con el pago de alimentos intensivo es que hay raramente bastante, y ya que los entrenadores comen pasado y generalmente no tienen mucho tiempo para comer entre limpieza, reuniones, estableciendo la comida y la limpieza, es realmente no vale la pena pagar. Puedo comprar yo mucha comida para llevar por menos dinero, por lo que suelen hacer.
Así que si la comida no está incluida, el entrenador es regalar la organización el equivalente de $1.037,50 en mano de obra, honorarios y costos de transporte/estacionamiento. Si agrega en sus salarios perdidos por no estar en su trabajo, este número va mucho más alto.
Esto no está recibiendo gratis un intensivo. Si un entrenador trabaja cuatro intensivos de 5 días, su regalo a la organización es el equivalente de $4.150 (a $15/ hora). En cambio, están observando y aprendiendo a ser mejores facilitadores… que la organización necesita. En esencia, los entrenadores están pagando por la educación que beneficiará el empleador (ESP).
In the ancient Frank Report history of June 2016, Ssturday night was the Time of the Apologist-Trolls.
That was when the Faithful were instructed make comments on Frank Report “expressing concern” about the tone, or disputing details of factual claims.
I had presumed that this was instructed by some SOP or JNESS meeting, perhaps a meeting of the Inner Circle.
Has faithful membership collapsed so far that there are no apologists left?
Has there been some other change in strategy?
Have they just given up and made plans to move to Fiji or Libya ?
June 2017 of course.
Correct me if I am wrong, but m take is that you are not allowed to coach a person you recruited. However, are you encouraged to work an intensive that someone you recruited is attending or does it have to be another intensive held during the year?
So when I go into the office and use the bathroom and turn on my computer and use the paper and pencils and staples there, I am not required to pay a USAGE fee. That would be part of overhead for my employer and a cost of doing business. In the case of APROPOS it usually sits idle most of the year. So they are basically asking the coaches and students to pay the electric and water bill. Which shows how cheap they are since they do not want to pay for supplies. In Apropos case they have a parking area so if they are charging for parking there, that is outrageous. But then again, nothing should suprise me with this group.
KRClaviger is describing love bombing.aka instant friends in his 10:35AM post. The other aspect he mentions is part of the mind control components of LGAT cults. With NXIVM it appears you are keep you constantly busy with courses, intensives. coaching, proctoring, recruiting, VWeek, Prefect birthday celebration, EM’S etc. working on and correcting your ethical breaches. That is exhausting in and of itself and with DOS you add in the starvation diets, readiness drills, sleep deprivation it is no wonder that seemingly smart and educated people can be conned. Check out ESPians social media pages and you will often see hashtags of #familyofchoice #lovemylife etc.
One another thing that ought to be pointed out is the potential for a massive class-action lawsuit against ESP, Raniere, Salzman, and (most importantly) the Bronfman sisters. This type of forced unpaid labor violates both federal and state law – and could result in an order requiring the payment of back-wages and out-of-pocket expenses to all of the affected coaches. The resulting award would have to be in the millions!
My understanding is that one of the other things that happens to all “newbies” is that they are surrounded by ESPians who flatter them into believing that they’re achieving great results right from the outset (That kind of praise helps to keep the “newbies” coming back fro more). Another thing they do is gradually cut off the “newbies” from their friends and family, thereby curtailing their ability to receive objective feedback and advice regarding what’s being taught to them.
I would like to hear from the former coach as to whether she agrees that this is part of the ESP process.
You would think that the people who had their time and money wasted in such a useless group would learn from it, not give a fuck about anything negative they learned from it, like repeating the worst things you’ve done – how would you judge the sincerity of it anyway since it was just a form of control and to get you to take more courses? – and not do the same thing to other people.
Thanks for sharing your experience as a coach…I really appreciate all inside info on this strange organization.
It does appear from such reports, that the only way an intelligent person (which this insider surely is) can be trained to keep buying into this bullshit…is if early ESP intensives are really brainwash sessions.
I would ask this person what they learned in the intensives that induced them to believe they needed to devalue their time and efforts to be a slave for NXIVM.
Maybe it was their Heroic Struggle? They felt so demeaned, and their confidence taken down so many notches this was a type of redemption. Being a slave. Or maybe it was the “I Am” module where you have to confess the worst things you’ve ever done and then repeat the mantra over and over “I AM the kind of person that would do bad things.”
People don’t throw their lives away for this thing for nothing. Ask around. Every training takes a little chunk of your soul away. After several years….
A few people here have asked some questions that I have asked myself many times, both while I was an active member of the organization, and after I left.
When I attended my first intensive, it was because I was unhappy in both my personal and professional lives. Much of the information and ‘tools’ presented to me during the intensive was enough to help me effect positive changes in my relationships, and to stop seeing the world from only one perspective. The methods and information presented to us are available in the world – I’ve learned since that there were many other ways I could have got it. That said, I had a couple of major ‘aha’ moments.
The intensive experience is both difficult and freeing. And it’s a shared experience with others that creates a bond. I saw the ‘community’ that the coaches and proctors shared, and I liked it. I saw students have major shifts in their perspective that were good for them. I still believe that the way the information is presented, and much of the information itself is positive. But good things can be used with bad intent. We were told the mission of the ‘school’ was to ‘make the world a better place to live’. That seemed pretty good to me. Improve myself, help others to improve themselves – how could that be bad? It turns out that was a lie, as evidenced by all the material that Mr. Parlato has uncovered here. The mission of the school appears to be for the procurement of sexual partners for KR.
I don’t know how ‘high up’ one has to go to find people who knew this. Was it only KR, and he duped everyone? Or are there others who were complicit? We may never know. It seems that he is a master manipulator.
As for why did I devalue my time enough to be a slave for NXIVM? It was something I struggled with regularly. Here is some text I sent my coach that has not been included in the material presented by Mr. Parlato:
“So, based on all this, you’re probably wondering why I coach and want to continue doing intensives. Although I really don’t like the way coaches are treated in some respects, I get a real charge from helping people discover the material. I love to see students have a genuine ‘aha’ moment, and recognize that they can move their lives in a more positive direction. I have benefitted from the education in such a positive way for my life. I’m happy now . . . and I wasn’t when I first came into the organization. I’ve transformed the way I think. And it’s a way better place in my head than it used to be. If I can help others along this path, it’s a great joy to me. And so I recognize that because I enjoy doing that, and ESP offers me the vehicle to do that, I am willing to take part. I don’t love the vehicle 100% because of some of the things I’ve said here, but one can usually effect more change from within than from without.”
To KRClaviger: You are correct that a coach cannot be a coach to their enrollee, however, there never seemed to be a problem coaching an intensive where an enrollee was there. I never felt I was being cut off from friends and family – my coaches were instrumental in helping me see my patterns where I was pushing them away, and helped me to see things in a way where I could make those relationships better.. I think in any business, the salespeople are always trying to make the clients feel good about what they have purchased, and as a coach I was never told to try to get people to cut people off.
People very close to me were concerned that I was in a cult. I never for a moment believed it. And that’s because one of the early modules every student takes is dealing with ‘people who holler cult’. It all seems very reasonable – in retrospect, I see that there are some modules that are a mind-fuck.
Vandouche – I’ve enjoyed your participation on this website very much. You ask how we would judge the sincerity of it since it was just a form of control to get us to take more courses, and why we would do that to other people? I can honestly say we thought we were helping people like we felt we had been helped. I still believe a good part of the curriculum was instrumental in helping me make positive changes in my life. It’s the parts where we were being mind-controlled that are disturbing. I don’t think the material is bad. It’s been used for bad purposes by a master manipulator. We didn’t know it.
I can say that all the people I met while a part of this organization had good intent, and wanted their lives and the lives of others to be happy. When I left the organization, it was bittersweet – I didn’t wish to participate in the ‘free labour’ part of it any longer, but I did really miss the regular contact with the community. Fortunately, we have a social media place where we can regularly communicate, and still do. Most of us are left feeling stunned at the way we were duped.
It’s a sad thing that something that was so good for so many of us has turned out to be a very bad thing.