Though you accuse me and others of it, has it occurred to you, Kevin, that you are “super pissed”?
Most commenters on this blog are emotionally detached from the Nxivm saga and look at the data objectively. These blog commenters are not “super pissed” at anyone involved in the Nxivm criminal trial or the cult of Keith Raniere.
But Kevin keeps trying to shut down imaginary anger he perceives from others, where there’s not much emotion involved.
Simultaneously, he wishes to gin up Frank Report readers into having an extreme emotional negative reaction towards others, and in another direction regarding the NXIVM cult.
It is strange.
Kevin Attack Penza
Moira Kim Penza on the day Keith Alan Raniere was convicted.
Kevin’s stance on Moira Penza is especially bizarre and disingenuous. Kevin says, “IF” Moira Penza cheated. Kevin presents Penza as a woman accused by the dead-enders, but no one has proven Penza is anything other than an exemplary lawyer doing the job the government paid her to do.
The accusations are simply accusations.
In other posts, Kevin oozes animosity toward Penza. He lambasts her for everything from what she does in her free time (such as appearing on a podcast) to her personal opinions on unrelated issues.
Everything is subject to his venomous judgment.
But isn’t the right to have an opinion, even if it isn’t popular, part of what the Keith loyalists are fighting for?
That is more hypocrisy from Kevin and the cult cabal.
The acid thrown at Penza is often frivolous and silly criticism. But then again, Kevin also makes serious and sweeping accusations. Without proof.
This is hypocrisy.
Kevin’s complaint is that the dead-enders are unfairly accused or held accountable for someone else’s criminal or distractive actions.
Isn’t that what Kevin is trying to do to Moira Penza?
If the FBI cheated (unproven), how is that Moira’s sin? That unproven accusation has nothing to do with Moira.
Kevin lists (objectional to Kevin) legal clients of Moira Penza. More hypocrisy. If Kevin perceives these large corporations as sinners or criminals, Penza is not responsible for their actions.
Kevin argues Danielle Roberts and Allison Mack are not responsible for the actions of Keith Raniere.
Everyone has a right to legal representation in the US justice system. Someone will represent these entities legally. It is immature to attack a lawyer who takes a case as their job in the legal system.
All the insincere, newly-minted justice reform fighters who support Vanguard say they want everyone treated equally in the court of law. Keith and the dead-enders spout that even the most hated deserve to be treated as fairly as the most beloved in a court of law.
Make justice blind. Right?
That means all potentially problematic companies Kevin listed are entitled to legal representation, and a lawyer doing the best possible job for them.
To try to ignite outrage towards Penza based on her clients is the height of hypocrisy from Kevin. It shows a fundamental lack of understanding, respect, or belief in consistency or fairness within the justice system.
It is also a stupid, clumsy attempt at misdirection.
Moira Kim Penza
The desperation to smear Penza at any cost highlights that there’s no actual path to appeal for Keith. Because when you cannot make a good legal argument, the absolute go-to is to attack the process and the attorneys on the other side.
But don’t attack Keith Raniere.
Condemn Penza for legally defending Big Pharma, but don’t condemn the dead-enders for defending a man who raped Camilla as a child and exploited her in pornography.
Camila by MK10ART.
It’s laughable in an incredulous, disgusted, macabre way that Nicki [and Kevin] count Nicki as the wounded party to pity. Really? Nicki is the persecuted one? Not Rhiannon, the 12-year-old Keith repeatedly raped?
She put KR in jail, therefore it is her fault. He is throwing a tantrum.
Moira is a weird feminist with an odd voice but hot body. But thank God she brought down this cult. Ty Moira.
Great points Suzanne, clearly and concisely made, logic impeccable.
And now for the pretzel logic…
“If Moira Penza or anyone like her ever interrogates you for who you associate with, and not for anything that you actually did, I will be rooting for you.”
Association with a felon is legitmate grounds for interrogation. Anyone ‘rooting’ for that person is effectively siding with the felon and indicating they also have an association.
“Remember that the people pointing fingers in this case, and in many others like it, have more skeletons in their closets than their targets.”
Based on what? This is a non-sequitur, Nicki. BTW there isn’t any one of us who doesn’t have skeletons.
“That most of the people who’ve lost their livelihoods because of this are good people, and that they deserve to make a living, even if they believe in things that we don’t or support people who we don’t.”
‘Good’ people who worshipped, and continue to worship, a convicted narcissistic psychopathic pedofile. Not a good look, Nicki. Don’t expect Hollywood to be coming knocking on your door anytime soon. Ever heard of the word “sorry’? Even now it might go some way towards redemption.
“Remember that the people pointing fingers share more of the personality traits with those at the top of the NXIVM/ESP pyramid than the people who are heartbroken, confused and upset that they lost their friends and community.”
So you finally admit it was a pyramid scheme? By all accounts you were pretty near the top yourself. I know, deprogramming can be a bitch, but isn’t it time you came in from the cold?
“…real people, with families, friends, and loved ones who care for them and are worried for their safety and futures.”
All the more reason why these people should be prepared to bite the bullet and show some remorse. I’m sure their families would be more than supportive.
“ …isn’t the right to have an opinion, even if it isn’t popular, part of what the Keith loyalists are fighting for?”
So they claim. What they are of course screeching about is it’s everyone’s duty to be of THEIR opinion.
You hit he nail squarely on the head. Their hypocrisy is blatantly obvious. Just as it’s obvious that their calls for kindness and forgiveness evaporates when speaking about their perceived enemies.
Bottom line of course is that the charges against Raniere were proved and their delusional accusations against the DOJ and the media and society at large are ridiculous. Well, what else is to be expected of fanatical cult followers when their cult implodes? They strike out at the world and claim it is unjust.
If Moira Penza or anyone like her ever interrogates you for who you associate with, and not for anything that you actually did, I will be rooting for you.
Remember that the people pointing fingers in this case, and in many others like it, have more skeletons in their closets than their targets.
Remember that people sometimes make mistakes. That most of the people who’ve lost their livelihoods because of this are good people, and that they deserve to make a living, even if they believe in things that we don’t or support people who we don’t.
Remember that the people pointing fingers share more of the personality traits with those at the top of the NXIVM/ESP pyramid than the people who are heartbroken, confused and upset that they lost their friends and community.
Remember that those people who are disparaged on this blog, in the news, in documentaries, and in countless Reddit threads are real people, with families, friends, and loved ones who care for them and are worried for their safety and futures. That they matter, and are not the cartoon characters and stereotypes that they’ve been made out to be.
I wish you and everyone here a wonderful holiday season, to include those who don’t understand where I’m coming from.
That’s kind of you Kevin. Tis the season of goodwill afterall
Moira Penza is also a real person. She has people who care about her. She has a family. She has a career and a whole life. Attacking her and calling her hot garbage and other names with no evidence whatsoever is very unkind. It is also hypocritical and you have yet to address that point at all. It was hypocritical to try to lump Moira in with her clients and smear her with what you perceive to be the clients misdeeds. It was hypocritical because that is exactly the argument you make in defense of your cult friends. That Keith and his crimes should not be reflected on to them. It’s nice that you wish everybody happy holidays but you never addressed any of the hypocrisy head-on.
You think Moira should be posing for the vow pictures by HBO ?
Seems out of her professional
capacity? Interesting you don’t see Lessor doing that..
This Kevin character is calling for people to be treated with respect and as though they’re real people and is the worst offender in dehumanizing others.
People are free to make their own choices about posing near The Vow poster. Both sides of the criminal case had attorneys who heavily participated in the show. It seems like a red herring to harp on a photo op for it. It’s certainly not criminal even if the optics displeased some people.
Regardless, calling people “hot garbage” and making other really trashy comments (pun intended) about them while calling on everybody else to treat only the people Kevin cares about with kid gloves is hypocritical.
And bringing up innocent young children like Sarah’s and making very damaging comments about her fitness to be a parent with absolutely no proof to back them up is despicable. You got to be really low down to bring up people’s children. That’s some black soul level blog commenting.
And for what? Sarah s a person Kevin claims to not ever have met in any capacity. That is some real desperation to smear a person at any cost. And like most really nasty work it only splashes back on Kevin. Frank came out strongly disputing any claim of Sarah as anything other than an outstanding parent. Kevin’s left standing there dripping in the very filth Kevin tried to throw on someone else.