Edmondson Has Legal Grounds to Sue Clyne & Donuts 4 Sale

“… Victim of Sarah Lawrence Sex Cult Leader Who Later Became His ‘Lieutenant’ Gets 54 Months in Prison …

… According to a Feb. 11, 2020, federal indictment, prosecutors said Ray’s scheme began in late 2010 when he moved into his daughter’s on-campus dorm room during her sophomore year. He began giving “therapy sessions” to his daughter’s roommates to “help them with psychological problems.”

During these “sessions,” Ray laid the groundwork for psychological conditioning that would “eventually lead these young adults to become unwitting victims of sexual exploitation, verbal and physical abuse, extortion, forced labor, and prostitution,” Assistant Director in Charge William F. Sweeney, Jr. said in Feb. 2020.

When classes ended in the second semester of 2011, several of Ray’s daughter’s roommates moved into his one-bedroom apartment on New York City’s Upper East Side.

During that summer, the roommates began to introduce Ray to some of their friends, who eventually began spending more time at the apartment and eventually became victims themselves, prosecutors said. …”

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Thank you, Aristotle – some interesting observations. I always love your posts, but I don’t always entirely agree with them.

I believe I’m right in saying that Clyne didn’t actively recruit Edmondson. If I’m not mistaken, that would have been Lauren, and for reasons that are not at all clear, she, like her mother, are somewhat surprisingly, given their position, not being sued.

I’m also not sure we can claim Clyne was spreading the lie that Raniere wasn’t behind DOS either: It’s not as if she went round all the newly recruited slaves and whispered in their ear: “Just in case you were thinking KAR is our Grand Master, he’s definitely not behind this.” She may well have described it as a sorority, but in her mind that was exactly what it was. It sounds a bit twisted to us, but I’m sure that to her it WAS all about women’s empowerment.

Regarding the brand, she would say: “It kind of…sort of…represented the elements; we just tweaked it a little to honour our Master.” And that’s kind of the problem: in Clyne’s eyes, there’re not lies.

Clyne may well reject the victim label, simply because she doesn’t see herself as one: she’s so far gone fishing, she’s living in an alternate reality of philosophy and mysticism, and all the other weird stuff that was force fed into them in countless EMs, some of them probably given by Sarah herself! And this went on for about 10 years of the most formative stage in her life, when she was most susceptible to it.

I would agree that everybody in the cult was responsible for harming everyone else. That sense of community subverts individuation and reinforces a common belief system. Just think about the crowds in Kim Il-sung Square crying torrents of tears as they listen to their ‘Dear Leader’ speak for hour after hour. As you say, it’s the cult members who fuck each other over, and we see that in many autocracies all over the world.

Strange as it may seem, I do think Clyne might perhaps have a stronger case against Edmondson: if Edmondson’s motives were purely mercenary, it could be argued that she wilfully and cynically recruited innocent people into something she consciously believed was to an extent exploitative and addictive, a little like a dealer pushing drugs. And just like long term substance abuse, people get addicted to something that will likely cause them long term damage.

Clyne’s defence is that she genuinely holds her beliefs and values, and just like in a murder trial where the evidence proves the defendant committed the crime, they may still be innocent by reason of insanity. I’m not saying she’s insane, but her intent to cause harm could be called into question given the ongoing stress and manipulation she’s been exposed to, as well as the undoubted psychological impact it has had, and still has. It just takes one juror to reach that conclusion. Exactly the same case could be made for Mack, and in her case, she is the one that got away, and I suspect she will back up Clyne, while rationally and convincingly explaining to a jury how powerful the indoctrination was.

Will we see the trial going forward? My money’s still on Clyne’s dismissal, though there is a possibility it may be without prejudice.

If only the H3 podcast had asked Marc Elliot what it’s like to be married to a woman who has Keith Raniere’s initials branded on her pubis and she loves it?

The host did an excellent job of exposing Marc’s attempted disinformation campaign about Keith. It’s not hard to do. The interviewer just needs to be informed (as they were).

The dead-enders are just not used to anyone asking them real questions instead of scripted softballs. Their insular echo chamber does not serve the loyalists well when they venture out into the real world.

Marc asked to be a guest but is now playing (you guessed it!) The victim.

Ethan covered much cult territory within the time constraint but he probably didn’t know that Mark’s wife is currently committed as a lifetime slave to Keith and proudly wears Raniere’s brand right near her vagina. But it would be great if someone asked Marc if he enjoys seeing vanguard’s mark of ownership burned into his wife’s body.

And Ethan did not actually fear your stupid video Marc. He was teasing you about it being potentially compelling. Hee hee hee. And it was hilarious.

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