Keith Alan Raniere sits in the SHU at USP Tucson, sharing a small cell with male rapist-turned-woman Toni Fly. In this short essay, Nicki, who watched the Vow, had some impressions about Moira Penza. Penza, the woman, who prosecuted her partner.
By Nicki Clyne
At first, I was surprised that Moira Penza, the lead prosecutor, was filmed by The Vow Season #2 during the pretrial and trial of Kieth Raniere.
That’s who it appeared.
On second thought, I realize this is The Vow misleading its audience. The Vow filmed Penza after she won, in 2020 or 2021, after leaving the DOJ and made it appear – to fool the audience – that they were talking to her as she prepared for trial etc.
Even so, I learned a lot about her strategy from watching. More than anything, it is clear that she determined Keith was a “crime boss,” and NXIVM a “criminal organization,” before doing any research. But, then, once she had her sights set, and with the power of infinite resources behind her, she could contort reality to make her career-making case a success.
It’s important to remember that the US Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of New York, which should have jurisdiction over NXIVM because that is where the company was based, refused to prosecute after evaluating the evidence.
They determined it was consenting adults, and nothing they saw constituted federal charges. This was before Catherine Oxenberg started on her media tour, and before the MeToo movement nudged the “evergreen” New York Times article onto their front page.
MK10ART‘s painting of Moira Kim Penza.
Moira talks about how she read the NYT article and noticed specific details about the NXIVM organization (a charismatic leader, hierarchical structure, etc.). From those details, she knew it was organized crime. If that’s true, that could apply to many companies: Apple, Tesla, and the US Government.
Moira claims the sashes were a way to indoctrinate people, but she doesn’t say how or what they were indoctrinated into.
Vanguard created the sash system in NXIVM.
The NXIVM executive board. Nancy Salzman, [gold sash] with Mark Vicente [green] Alex Betancourt [orange] Karen Unterreiner [orange], Clare Bronfman [orange] Lauren Salzman [green] and Emiliano Salinas [green], with their glorious sashes .
In NXIVM, the sashes were a measurement system similar to belts in martial arts. There was a clear structure for what it took to reach each level, and people could choose whether they wanted to pursue that path or not. I get that it might seem weird to people, and there are many weird things in this case, but not everything weird is evidence of a crime.
Keith Raniere shows off his judo skills.
Perhaps most revealing, Moira states it “was important to show that sex was a major part of this.” Why would this be so important? This is because if you look past the haze of salaciousness, there are no compelling crimes. Nancy Salzman, who was allegedly at the top of this “criminal organization,” was charged with racketeering conspiracy, alteration of a video used in a civil proceeding, and conspiracy to commit identity theft. Not very headline-making.
Not HBO docuseries-making either.
As for the collateral issue, Moira conflates Keith’s private sex life with DOS, which was separate and distinct.
Keith had multiple long-term partners with whom he had relationships for many years, certainly years before DOS.
It so happened that he and a few of them decided to create DOS together. Not all of Keith’s partners became part of DOS. It was by no means a requirement, and no women in DOS (to my direct knowledge and after reading the trial transcripts) were told to have sex with Keith.
It’s just not true.
But you won’t find any of these questions or distinctions in The Vow.
You’ll find Moira’s story presented as if it were the gospel.
She’s also filmed in a controlled environment, looking respectable in an office in front of a giant binder. In contrast, The Vow shows Keith’s attorney Marc Agnifilo riding a crowded subway and pleading with aggressive journalists.
Marc Agnifilo appears on the Vow.
It is revealing that Moira says, “I certainly stand by my decision to prosecute all of them.”
Why would someone who is only pursuing truth and justice need to justify themselves this way?
[…] Our guest commenter, Rock Around the Block, addresses things Nicki wrote about Moira Penza in ‘The Moira Behind the Curtain.’ […]
Nicki,
Sexual contact and sexual harassment are detrimental to a business, especially if a supervisor, owner, or anyone in a position of power is causing discomfort for an employee; hence, the need for sexual harassment laws that are prevalent in the United States. It’s even frowned upon if it’s consensual between employees; it’s extremely unprofessional. NXIVM claimed to be a company, correct?
As for Ms. Penza, she bled through law school, passed the Bar exam, and works diligently as an attorney. She is a true professional, which is proven by the outcome of her work. That is respectable.
What’s not respectable is child pornography, pedophilia, racketeering, dodging taxes, pitting women employees against each other, sexual contact with employees, brainwashing, and everything encompassing the horrors of NXIVM.
What are your thoughts?
Sadly Nicki doesn’t have any outside of supporting her Master
I hope Nicki and the others find help and therapy. Instead of doubling down, she should do some reflection and realize just because she’s ok with being abused doesn’t make it at all legal nor ethical.
The reason Keith Raniere will die in prison is because of a jury convicting him in court. Not because of an HBO documentary. Nicki always seems to forget that.
Nicki: As for the collateral issue, Moira conflates Keith’s private sex life with DOS, which was separate and distinct. Keith had multiple long-term partners with whom he had relationships for many years, certainly years before DOS.
Lauren Salzman’s testimony
Q And directing your attention to January or February 2018, did you have a conversation with Nicki Clyne about how she joined DOS?
A Yes.
Q What did she tell you?
A She told me that originally she had this commitment with Keith, and that she thought she was the only one who had that relationship — like she was his slave and he was her master and that was a thing that she thought they were just doing together just them. And then later, she came to learn that there were others that she hadn’t known about.
Q Did she struggle in particular with one other first-line DOS master?
A With Allison. I mean, she struggled coming to learn Keith’s [sexual] relationship with Allison.
Nicki: It so happened that he and a few of them decided to create DOS together. Not all of Keith’s partners became part of DOS. It was by no means a requirement, and no women in DOS (to my direct knowledge and after reading the trial transcripts) were told to have sex with Keith.
Lauren Salzman’s testimony
A Yes. I can’t remember the time frame, but at one first-line DOS meeting, I said something along the lines that Allison had been the only one who had assigned people this [seduction] assignment, and Nicki [Clyne] said: “no, she’s not.” And then I learned that other people have been tasking their slaves to do the assignment.
Q At some point did you learn that Nicki’s slaves had been tasked to that assignment?
A Yes…
Those pants must be burning!
“Even so, I learned a lot about her strategy from watching. More than anything, it is clear that she determined Keith was a “crime boss,” and NXIVM a “criminal organization,” before doing any research.”
No shit, Nicki. The dogs in the street had known that for years. “Research”? It’s not that she was some newbie student in Year one of a primary degree; there was a already a stack of evidence she had to go through relating to a much bigger picture that was already apparent.
The “US Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of New York” had failed to act for years. Who knows – I wouldn’t be surprised if some of its high ranking team were on the Bromfman payroll, as were the local cops. If they determined it was all above board adult consent, what does it say about them in the light of what we now know?
“…she (Moira) knew it was organized crime. If that’s true, that could apply to many companies: Apple, Tesla, and the US Government.”
Yeah, Nicki, but they don’t go round branding their initials on their employees’ pubic areas, rip them off, deceive and blackmail them. People were indoctrinated into Keith’s BS teachings, Nicki, and you’re living proof of just how deep that indoctrination went. Even now you have almost nothing to say on any mainstream political discourse. The closest you get to that is slagging off Amber heard, and that’s just based on Raniere’s teachings; a one-trick pony with nothing to say, so sad.
“…if you look past the haze of salaciousness, there are no compelling crimes”
No, apart from forced labor, tax evasion, racketeering, pedophilia of various types, assault, torture, blackmail, extortion – an almost endless list of criminality and immorality, in which you played an active part. What I’ll never get my head round, Nicki, is how you managed to evade justice, but I have my suspicions about that.
“Moira conflates Keith’s private sex life with DOS, which was separate and distinct.”
Well you’d know all about that, wouldn’t you Nicki? After all, it was you who was given the task to investigate what was going on in relation to the “Seduce Keith” assignment. No doubt you heard from quite a few of the women what was going on, but no doubt whipped them into silence, maybe just a little more than figuratively speaking.
“Keith had multiple long-term partners with whom he had relationships for many years”
Yes, and he kept that secret from them all for many years too, didn’t he? And then when they found out, there was naturally a lot of jealousy, but by that stage he had then where he wanted them psychologically, and they just had to accept it. You all knew what the alternative was.
“..and no women in DOS (to my direct knowledge and after reading the trial transcripts) were told to have sex with Keith.”
So you’ve read Lauren Salzman’s testimony, have you Nicki? She testified UNDER OATH that YOU were given the task of investigating complaints from Allison’s slaves that they were being given assignments to seduce Keith, or perhaps you don’t remember that. And then we have the testimony of Nicole and Sylvie, not to mention Camila’s. And don’t give me that crap that it was just a test of their loyalty to DOS and Keith was never going to force it. You knew him better than that.
“Moira’s story” is the gospel, because that ‘story’ was proven beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law in front of a jury, Nicki. And those 12 good people, including the two Muslim women whom you racistly claimed must have been biased because they had their hair covered, took little time in finding the rogue guilty on all counts.
Guess what Moira has not done?
Moira did not lie to her closest friends and then have her shared boyfriend’s initials branded on their pubic area and lie to them that it was a symbol of the elements.
That alone makes Moira more trustworthy than Nicki Clyne.
Moira also did not blackmail her friends. Moira did not assign her friends seduction assignment to have sex with her secret shared pedophile slavemaster boyfriend or Nicki would release their blackmail.
Moira did not edit and then release Sarah Edmonson’s fully nude branding tape. Those would be Nicki Clyne’s actions.
Moira did not get any women to make up crimes or lie about their friends or family committing incest or sexual assault. Moira did not have her friends grow out their pubic hair and make custom pornography for her boyfriend’s viewing pleasure and lie to her friends that no one would ever see all the sexually explicit material.
Moira did not lie to immigration and Mary a friend just to have legal status. Moira didn’t ask her other friends to also lie and commit crimes so she could stay in the country illegally. Moira did not conceal that she was in a 10 year relationship with a man but marrying a woman whom she was not in a romantic or sexual relationship with and commit a crime by lying to immigration officials.
Nikki wasted 13 years of her life in Nxivm. That’s a very hard thing to wrap her brain around and she’s not yet willing to entertain the idea.
She’s about to waste another 15.
Starting with the last stupid. Nicki statement. Why would Moira make that statement? Because whenever you do interviews or reality TV you’re always asked a question and then ask to put the question in the statement.
Even if somehow Nicki doesn’t know that is.standatd documentary/interview/reality process (which would be shocking because Nicki has participated in interviews/doccumentaries) then…
Listen to the cadence of Moira’s answer and it’s really obvious that she’s reaffirming an.answering to a question
For the few remaining people left in the world who don’t understand or know about that interview process:
It would go like something like, whoever is interviewing Moira would ask,” do you stand by your decision to prosecute Keith Raniere?”
And Moira would answer , “Yes.”
But that’s not how the director wants the documentary to present with questions and answers from an interviewer.
So the director would ask Moira, “Can you you please put your answer to the question within a statement containing the question?”
But the film makers would do it better than the above example here hahaha
It’s just an example how completely disingenuous this entire dead Ender writing is and is nothing more than another attempt to defend the indefensible.
It’s really not worth going through this pedophile apologist diatribe. Honestly, it’s quite unreadable. But if that is your powerful closing statement and it’s just completely fabricated crap you’ve really got nothing girl.
“Even so, I learned a lot about her strategy from watching. More than anything, it is clear that she determined Keith was a “crime boss,” and NXIVM a “criminal organization,” before doing any research.”
No shit, Nicki. The dogs in the street had known that for years. “Research”? It’s not like Moira some freshman student in Year One of a primary degree; there was a already a stack of evidence she had to go through relating to a much bigger picture that was already apparent.
The “US Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of New York” had failed to act for years. Who knows – I wouldn’t be surprised if some of its high ranking members were on the Bromfman payroll, as were the local cops. If they determined it was all above board adult consent, what does it say about them in the light of what we now know?
“…she (Moira) knew it was organized crime. If that’s true, that could apply to many companies: Apple, Tesla, and the US Government.”
Yeah, Nicki, but they don’t go round branding their initials on their employees’ pubic areas, rip them off, deceive and blackmail them. People were indoctrinated into Keith’s BS teachings, Nicki, and you’re living proof of just how deep that indoctrination went. Even now you have almost nothing to say on any mainstream political discourse. The closest you get to that is slagging off Amber heard, and that’s just based on Raniere’s teachings; a one-trick pony with nothing to say, so sad.
“…if you look past the haze of salaciousness, there are no compelling crimes”
No, apart from forced labor, tax evasion, racketeering, pedophilia of various types, assault, torture, blackmail, extortion – an almost endless litany of criminality and immorality, in which you played an active part. What I’ll never get my head round, Nicki, is how you managed to evade indictment, but I have my suspicions about that.
“Moira conflates Keith’s private sex life with DOS, which was separate and distinct.”
Well you’d know all about that, wouldn’t you Nicki? After all, it was you who was given the task to investigate what was going on in relation to the “Seduce Keith” assignment. No doubt you heard from quite a few of the women what was going on, but no doubt whipped them into silence, maybe just a little more than figuratively speaking.
“Keith had multiple long-term partners with whom he had relationships for many years”
Yes, and he kept that secret from them all for many years too, didn’t he? And then when they found out, there was naturally a lot of jealousy, but by that stage he had them where he wanted them psychologically, and they just had to accept it. You all knew what the alternative was.
“..and no women in DOS (to my direct knowledge and after reading the trial transcripts) were told to have sex with Keith.”
So you’ve read Lauren Salzman’s testimony, have you Nicki? She testified UNDER OATH that YOU were given the task of investigating complaints from Allison’s slaves that they were being given assignments to seduce Keith, or perhaps you don’t remember that? And then we have the testimony of Nicole and Sylvie, not to mention Camila. And don’t give me that crap that it was just a test of their loyalty to DOS, and Keith was never going to force it, like some lame Abrahamic test. You knew him better than that.
“Moira’s story” IS the gospel, because that ‘story’ was proven beyond all reasonable doubt in a court of law in front of a jury, Nicki. And those 12 good people, including the two Muslim women whom you racistly claimed in an interview must have been biased because they had their hair covered, took little time in finding the rogue guilty on all counts.
Nicki Clyne will dump her opinion on the Frank Report, but because she can’t block those who comment as she does on social media, Clyne won’t be back to read anything written about her story.
Her narrow mind can not take in this kind of data. It would blow up what is left of her brain.
She has a one-way check valve open only to Raniere and his followers.
What we write here is for us to read and enjoy without any of Ranieres dead-enders eyes to see.
Unless it is Keith saying negative shit about them, to them, they shut down, blame and say life is unfair.
Crazy, isn’t it
Dear anonymous. Sadly l think you are right. She dumps and leaves. How very empowered she is. It’s such a narrow narrative she is giving. G dogma if you will. I hope the scales eventually fall from her eyes because she deserves to have that moment. I’m not getting into the name calling. I do believe that she never gave permission for the documentary makers to use the footage and l think that was a very bad decision by Karim. He shouldn’t have done it. It just reinforces her beliefs further. Ie. Keith good and everyone else bad. However until the question about Cami and the abuse is answered in her own mind she will continue to live her half life
My two questions Nicki,
Do you think its ok for any person to have sex with a 15 year old girl. Or to teach that 15 year old that its ok to abuse others?
I know that yourself and others have no problem with having been branded, or having sex with Keith or being part of DOS. I fully understand that you feel you consented as an adult. i have zero problems with it.
I would love to know how you really feel about Cami?
Moira is beautiful. So is Nicki. Why can’t we all just get along?
Sorry, my last questions 😅
Part IV
If the whole thing was not a cult, why did ppl have to bow and say “ thank you Vanguard 3 times on the classes ? Why to celebrate his birthday for a week like a holiday ?
Dresses like cult, acts like cult, copies other cult, but it ‘s just an empowering thing 🤡
PART III
Now let’s talk about some things you intentionally skip, either to protect your feelings or protect Keith – the guy that hid in the closet while his gf was dealing with Mexican cops. Wait 🟥 Ethics, where ? 😆
Address the elephant in the room. You only talk about what you want and we’ve been reading / hearing you non stop for the past 5 years SAYING THE SAME THINGS over and over. Let’s change the directions, shall we ?
Why women empowerment had to be so directly connect to Keith ? You know, I bet your parents or whoever raised you were sad when you left the house to pursuit your dream acting but at the same time were proud and cheered for every conquer. Keith no, Keith wants you under his nose, calling him Master, not nourished, with long pubic hair and weird eyebrows. That’s what the sister wives looked : ALL THE SAME. You know, you can only achieve empowerment and success sucking the cock of an ugly dude and looking exactly as he likes. 🤡And don’t forget !!! No garlic smell 🤣
Before you say he had all the knowledge and teaching etcs, sorry but nothing new here. He did not created a freaking thing but copied and pasted and you guys fell for it. As I said, lack of nutrition makes it hard to think 🍔
How do you feel about the people that were hunt by KR? Law suits, espionage, treats. Wanna talk about it? Not related to the trial but says A LOT about the character. Oh wait 🟥 Most ethical, where ?
Have you tried to talk to Rhiannon? Why not ?? What about Susan Dones ? Toni Natalie? John Tighe ? Aren’t you trying to make justice blind? Or does the justice only apply for those who can offer you something ?
What do you think about Kristin Keefe’s situation? The fact that KR had a son with her and hid it from everybody while you fools were disputing who would have his baby and ended up hunting them just for fun ? 🤡 But no, let’s not talk about all the unethical things the most “ethical” man in the world did because that will destroy your feelings and hurt and make you feel even more desperate. LOST !! 🫥
What do you think about all the abortions going on with Keith’s orders ? He was an evil genius that one, promised a baby to a bunch of women, hid he had a son, ordered abortion for the other unborn ones so the harem would keep competing / disputing. 🫣
Why the commitment was not with some other man than the short dude ? If we are talking about commitment, what matters is if you keep it and not with WHO you keep it, right ?
You are so desperate and swimming against the waves that you come here to Frank to ask for audience. The guy that helped to destroy yr community, that not long time ago you and your friends were talking shit about(!) but ethics are to be observed in calm waves only, right ? On the other hand, what’s is one more embarrassment for someone who defends Keith Raniere ? Who had sex life exposed? Who is jobless, broke but could had it all if it wasn’t for the same person you stand by. 🤡 Nah, keep asking your enemy for help whenever the pen on twitter runs dry.
Tell us about how the sex toys were supposed to work with the sorority ? Was it also supposed to look as cool as going out for coffee with friends or some type of punishment in case you did not please Keith ? I read about cage, whip, chains. Really seems very empowering 🤡
Why such low cal diet ? Why same restriction to all the inner circle ? As I mentioned, you all looked the same.Same sad puppies, scary to look at.
Did Keith use condoms ? How the most ethical man protected you ladies from crap ? That mouth is dirtier than NYC subway and I bet his d* was worse. HPV, anyone ?
I will stop for now. Honestly I hope you find your own happiness.That you see you can empower yourself without any guru. That you are very young and can still pursuit your dreams, by yourself, with your friends and family saying “ Go fly !! And know we will be here to support you”.
Just please stop with this broken record.
MI.
PART II
“and noticed specific details about the NXIVM organization (a charismatic leader, hierarchical structure, etc.)” ❎ You’re again skipping the interesting part : specific details FOR A CULT. I see you are trying to twist things or maybe it’s the lack of calories for so long but Apple, Tesla and the American government do not require customers / voters to have sex with it’s leader, after salaciously collecting incriminating materials. Imagine this AD : We have a product made for women, but I can not tell you what it is until you submit a check of One million dollars and we will only deposit if you ever decide to go to competition. The customer issues the check, and it’s a product for women, made by men, where only men were consulted how to make it and what expectations to meet. Disclaimer : the fucking product does not work but you gonna have to stuck with it forever otherwise you will be in One million debt. 🤡 Can you spot the difference ? The right to leave, the freedom to have a choice is taking away from the customer ‘cause the company presented two options : either keep the damaged product that burns on your hand and use it forever, or be forever in debt. Even with the customer agreeing in having the product in the beginning, the fact that not all details were revealed before hand and it’s a shit show to use it, IT’S A COERCIVE SITUATION. You are either fucked or fucked. 🤡
“As for the collateral issue, Moira conflates Keith’s private sex life with DOS, which was separate and distinct.” ❎ Not separated if part of the assignment was to take vulva shots and seduce and have sex with K or sex with K + whoever he chose. You can argue as much as you want that not everybody had sex with him, but let’s talk about these assignments. After giving a letter where you say your mom was a prostitute and used to sell drugs inside yr house when you were 5, you receive an assignment to seduce KR and he asks you to remove yr clothes or make oral sex on him. How do you feel about it ? And btw, everything involved giving KR sex pleasure, why couldn’t it be done with anyone else? Keith loves you so much, cares a lot BUT you can only evolve if you live close to him, work for him, have sex with him, accept all his “ teachings” … WAIT 🟥 Feels like cult, smells like cult, acts like cult but no, it’s just really a sorority.
“It is revealing that Moira says, “I certainly stand by my decision to prosecute all of them.”❎ Opss, imagine her saying “ I prosecuted them but you know what, I regret. I regret that even with all the proofs, the testimonies, the recording trails I did not toss the case… ‘ cause you know, I am a prosecutor but who cares ? “ 😆
“ Why would someone who is only pursuing truth and justice need to justify themselves this way?” ❎ I don’t see her justifying herself in any way, she is reaffirming the decision made : to stop a criminal. That’s what prosecutors do ! Do you even know that or do things work differently in Canada ?
TO BE CONTINUED
Robert Jay Lifton’s eight criteria of thought reform as applied to the Executive Success Programs
February 12, 2003
By Paul Martin, Ph.D.
Director of Wellspring Retreat
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NXIVM/esp11.html
Pay Nicki Clyne a small fee and she can call herself a journalist. Or is Nicki a journalist since she worked at “The Knife of Aristotle”? Hopefully her articles will get better with time. She still has some practicing to do.
Hi Nicki, we all know salad is your favorite thing but let’s go :
PART I
“On second thought, I realize this is The Vow misleading its audience.” ❎ Not really. You are digging and trying hard to find something you can complain about. It’s almost 2023, the whole WORLD is aware of this case, what happened before, during and afterwards.
“But, then, once she had her sights set, and with the power of infinite resources behind her, she could contort reality to make her career-making case a success.” -❎You talk as if things were done by one person only. She was a prosecutor, in a team, with a boss and they all agreed the case was worth it. Gosh, “ to make her career case a success “ ? Well she was already in a respectable place, did you not notice that ? Also, I find it interesting that you mention infinite resources when it’s well known KR used Claire’s money to make a witch hunt against the people that spoke – rightly so – about him. AREN’T YOU THE ONE TO SAYS FIGHT FOR JUSTICE ? DID YOU READ THE TRANSCRIPT OF THE SILLY CASES YOUR BF CREATED ? Make justice blind who ? We are as what ? You don’t dare to check the facts or even talk to the people involved but I understand, it would crumble your “ hairy” tale. PUN INTENDED.
“More than anything, it is clear that she determined Keith was a “crime boss,” and NXIVM a “criminal organization,” ❎ ok, let’s put aside all the sex crazy hairy photos of vagina sent to KR, the seduction assignments etc. He, along with Nancy, schemed for years and did not pay taxes. Did you also skip the part of the money stashed, the credit card situation? So they ♻️collected money, stashed it, dis not declared it for years♻️. Wouldn’t it by itself be a criminal organization? I am not even mentioning that part of this money came from Mexico, illegally through the border 😆 but again, Make justice blind ? Only when it matters to you, right ?
“ It so happened that he and a few of them decided to create DOS together.“ ❎ this is interesting, wasn’t it a sister sorority ? To help women to become bad asses, in full control of their lives ? Did you even disclosure KR was the leader ? We all know the answer 😤 BTW, you are trying so much to make justice blind that you forgot to remove the cover of your eyes. All the oral sex going on, sex with Keith and Keith only. The seduction assignments that only benefited himself. Couldn’t any of his teaching be learned while you lived a normal life outside that inner circle? Why monogamy with a polygamous guy is one of the requirements for the women to become better ? Oh wait, the answer is so embarrassing I will skip it for now.
TO BE CONTINUED
Please don’t post anymore, believe what you want, but the world does not selectively work the way you do. It sounds like what you thought happened, wasn’t the truth.
It seems you’re not in the loop with Keith fully, as he seems to have lied to each of you, no matter how “committed”, many times. Having multiple partners who are consenting in one thing, consent is not fear or coercion or putting someone else before you to a fault.
You should hold Keith accountable for saying one thing and then doing another. Also being so arrogant that he collected over years many things that incriminated him and then he kept them until it was too late. That doesn’t need to be created by a lawyer, it’s the angle a lawyer uses to help people understand what is already existing. Also, look up what a prosecutor does, that will explain why she should/could choose to charge any number of persons involved. Criminal enterprise = Corp coverage to cover other activities, illegal ones.
That is real, on paper. I find it amazing that for someone who claims she helped create it, has not been held accountable for her part in destroying others and supporting someone who does; Yet you’re not being held accountable for your piece?
Instead of complaining about how things are, why don’t you find it lucky you’re not in prison and allowed to stay in this country since you cannot seem to understand it’s laws, due process, or constitutional rights. Your assumption of others corruptions without a “full investigation” of them is just as hypocritical as your love for Keith.
You care for someone who hurts you and you’d rather care about him more and more, than stand up for yourself to the person who deserves it. I’m sorry for you that you’re so broken over it, but you’re never gonna convince a single one of us because the truth is there and it’s not just weird, it’s glaringly a red flag for some very bad and dangerous things you keep ignoring that have been proven to be true. I’m not religious, but may god have mercy on your soul. You’re so lost. I hope you truly hear this.
Per usual Clyne ignores the three sisters, the true origin and what the brand meant was kept from DOS members, and the morality of it all. People volunteering to do a thing doesn’t make it right. According to Clyne, what the Heaven’s Gate cult (mass suicide on leader’s orders) did was perfectly moral, righteous and there were no victims because “consenting adults”. Her inability to confront significant immoral behavior by basically ignoring it just highlights her own lack of ethics.
— Her inability to confront significant immoral behavior
That’s because whatever her shared lover does is defined to be “moral”. Despite her claims to the opposite, Nicki is not rational nor a critical thinker, a seeker of truth, and never has been in this case. She’s “in love” (if you can call it that) with Keith, probably guilt tripped to the max that she was largely involved in getting her lover boy caught, and these supersede any and all discernment. This is the reality of a cult monopolized by the whims of its leader and not any solidly rooted foundational principles that the leader himself submits to, are independent of him, and universally apply to him as well as others. I give the example of someone like Malcolm X who is the opposite of Nicki. He found out that his leader Elijah Muhammad of the Nation of Islam was having numerous affairs with young women, many of whom he impregnated. After verifying this information himself from the women and others, determining their veracity, he left the organization because he realized the leader was a hypocrite, and therefore he could not be considered the moral exemplar he claimed to be.
Great points. She doesn’t seem to understand the concept of consent.
“ and no women in DOS (to my direct knowledge and after reading the trial transcripts) were told to have sex with Keith.”
That is not true. Jay, Nicole, Sylvie and India all got sex assignments with Keith.
“ In NXIVM, the sashes were a measurement system similar to belts in martial arts. There was a clear structure for what it took to reach each level”
In some cases, being a young attractive slender female was all it took to move up the stripe path with the speed of light. If Keith fancied the young gall he would make sure she was promoted real fast.
Clyne is playing what she thinks is a smart game. For her, if there isn’t a trial transcript of what happened then it didn’t happen. She has tried to use this as a defense for why she doesn’t believe Camila. She didn’t testify so there are no transcripts, so clearly it didn’t happen. Just like she believes there are no victims for victims cannot exist (Keith taught her that nugget). Therefore if someone is claiming to be a victim, they must be lying. Her “logic” is about as complicated as tic tac toe while believing playing 3D chess.
Yeah, the system that Keith got from his Judo days (so unoriginal as ever). Turns out he never even won any Judo competition!!
Money factored into the awarding of ESP sashes too the only blue sash was Edgar Boone and speculation is that the tacky blue sash cost him about $5 million.
Seems like a blue sash that cost 5 million dollars should come attached to a wish granting magical Genie lamp.
But the only thing attached to any of the ESP sashes was Psychopathic Keith’s arbitrary whims and opinion of you and what he could get out of you to fulfill his lust for money, control, sex or all of the above.