Everything you said about me is how I feel about Sarah. Replace my name with hers, and you get the truth.
If Sarah wants to make movies or give speeches or whatever she does, fine, none of my business.
But she’s the one in control of the lifeboats, and rationed them out based on loyalty to her, not level of involvement.
That’s why Lauren Salzman can run her dog grooming business in peace, and why Danielle can’t do any job without her employer receiving harassing calls.
Sarah unilaterally gave Lauren a lifeboat, and unilaterally denied one to Danielle. Not based on what they did or their roles in the organizations, but based on their associations and commitment to Sarah.
That Lauren was accused of falsely imprisoning Daniela. Hey, no big deal in Sarah’s eyes.
I’m sure she knew nothing about it. That happened in Albany, and Sarah never went to Albany. Except for the times she did, like in the baby shower pictures of Allison giving Sarah a “what happens in Albany” outfit for the baby.
First or second most successful recruiter in company history, owner of the Vancouver Center that recruited celebrities, including Allison and Nicki, but hey, what could she have known?
You don’t think it’s strange that the lead attorney who prosecuted people for participating in what she called a “sex cult” also spends time with and associates with other members of that organization? Members who had substantial rank and made substantial income from what Penza herself identified as a “sex cult?”
Not even a little bit strange?
A US Senator [Gillibrand] from the fourth biggest state in the country has a father who represented what mainstream media considers a criminal organization and sex cult. But it didn’t make the news, not once, other than Frank Report.
US Senator Kirsten Gillibrand
You don’t think that’s strange, not even a little bit?
According to Frank, via interviews with Heidi Hutchinson, KR was sneaking into bedrooms of underage girls since the 80s.
Heidi’s sister, and others, killed themselves. KR wasn’t on anyone’s radar until 2017, when Agent Penza read about Sarah’s brand in the NYT?
That’s not strange? Not even a little bit?
I’m not defending KR or the organization. I’m asking why something wasn’t done sooner if he and it were so bad. If they are as bad as advertised, then NYS police, Albany police, and the FBI are filthy for having allowed this to go on, especially after the guy made a legally binding agreement not to operate another company with MLM characteristics.
Keith Raniere and Nancy Salzman in 1998
Why does this point bother you if you’re against KR and NXIVM?
Because it goes beyond the bubble of “good guys/bad guys” and requires critical thinking skills beyond a fourth grade level?
You take the position that KR was the only authority in the organization when it comes to Sarah, but not anyone else.
So everyone else is responsible for their actions, but Sarah, because she’s held to a lower standard despite having had a higher rank.
That’s a strange position to take unless you’re in her inner circle.
I don’t mean to make fun of her for her acting roles. It’s a harder job than it appears. I respect anyone who’s worked in television or film, at any level, in any role.
I make fun of her for making herself the authority on what’s right and wrong pertaining to the organization, when she has no business pointing fingers at anyone outside of KR and the Salzmans, one of whom she forgives.
Lauren Salzman and Sarah Edmondson had a master slave relationship at one time. Sarah turned whistleblower. Lauren was convicted. Sarah asked the judge to give her leniency.
The questions I ask are not strange, difficult to understand. They are common sense questions that don’t seem to have straightforward answers.
As for the alleged FBI tampering, will you defend Agent Penza if she engaged in misconduct, and her misconduct results in a legitimately guilty predator being released?
Because she took a shortcut when more than enough clean evidence existed to win a conviction? Will you defend her then, because she’s exempt from the rules for being part of the right social circles?
I like Sarah, and she has become a star. She did forgive Lauren, which was good. She did not forgive Danielle, which was her decision.
I asked her if she would consider withdrawing her medical board complaint. She told me she would forgive Danielle if she renounced Raniere. I told Danielle. She declined to renounce Raniere. This was prior to the medical board’s decision to revoke her license.
Sarah likes having control over people. It’s almost as if she was a major recruiter and profiteer of a criminal racket, pyramid scheme, and cult.
There should be a statement in the Daily Mail story that Nicki Clyne is currently a defendant in an ongoing civil lawsuit connected to both DOS and NXIVM. It’s shady not to disclose that information upfront and throughout.
The viewer should be fully informed of the true motives and stakes for the person making a testimonial video. It colors the narrative differently. And for Nicki and the Daily Mail to choose to exclude that pertinent fact is problematic.
Full disclosure, transparency, and all relevant facts are vital for a true and reliable narrative in reporting.
Even one-sided opinion pieces skewed like this one toward the cult, and Keith’s view, benefit from at least the appearance of honesty.
Agreed Lois, under the condition that the publication also mentions that the two lead plaintiffs suing Clyne were high ranking officers and center owners in the organization, who held considerable rank and made substantial incomes off the backs of unsuspecting students/clients.
Who actively performed unsanctioned medical and therapeutic acts, such as performing NLP/EMs without a license or any credentials.
Things that they’re suing Nicki and Danielle for, things that neither defendant actually did, but that the two lead plaintiffs themselves did.
After all, we want to be transparent.
By Jane Doe #2
But Kevin, in every defense you’ve had about Danielle, you have stated that a person’s personal life and what they do on their time away from work is irrelevant to their job.
Why are you so interested in Moira’s personal life?
You have it backwards.
Danielle wasn’t given that benefit, but the lead prosecutor was. If Penza’s personal life wasn’t used against her, who was she to hold people to standards she wasn’t held to herself?
Danielle Roberts practicing yoga in her private life.
Also, Danielle wasn’t the lead prosecutor in a high profile sex trafficking case, wasn’t suing anyone, wasn’t accusing anyone of anything, and consistently took the stance that she is neither a victim nor a perpetrator.
No one had “authority’ in the organization. Except Keith. It was all made-up silliness with sashes. Not a military operation.
Sarah was not known pre New York Times, and you know it. Because you make fun of her career.
Classy move BTW; jealous much? After falsely claiming it was Sarah’s popularity that drove the criminal case. You hate Sarah so much that you cannot even form coherent arguments. Lol
Don’t forget the spurious claim that Sarah’s children are in grave jeopardy while in her loving care. Really shows who you are, “Kevin”.
Throw it ALLLLL at the blog. See what sticks. Kirsten Gillibrand? Why not?! Ha ha ha….
The mainstream media, evil NYT…. You CAN do this, dead-ender. Why not Obama? Hillary? It must be connected to them too!…
And finally. OF COURSE! The fake tampering claims….
Is “Moira literally telling me”? Or are YOU trying to tell me what Moira is “telling me”? By really editorializing and interpreting her words for me?…
I can do my own thinking. Thanks.
None. Of. What. You. Wrote. Matters. It. Won’t. Change. A. Thing
But Moira Penza matters. She actually matters. That must kill you
If you want to leave personal lives personal, why are you monitoring what Moira does in her off time? She can be friends with whomever she wants. Penza can go on podcasts, you dolt.
This is fucking America. Stop trying to curb personal freedoms. Commie…