Nancy Salzman, 67, has withdrawn her appeal of her sentence with the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. By doing this she has agreed to serve her entire sentence. Her release date is February 12, 2025. She will be 70.
Judge Nicholas G. Garaufis sentenced Salzman to 42 months. He also ordered her to pay a $150,000 fine, which she paid.
After her release, Salzman will be subject to probation with various conditions. Two conditions are not to work as a therapist and not associate with most former members of NXIVM.
The Bureau of Prisons lists her as assigned to FCI Hazelton, a secure facility for female inmates. FCI Hazelton is in Preston County, West Virginia.
Salzman, the president and co-founder of NXIVM, pleaded guilty to one count of racketeering conspiracy on March 13, 2019.
As part of her plea deal, Salzman agreed to forfeit to the US Government:
Her ownership interest in 8 Hale Drive, Halfmoon, New York.
The property was used by Keith Raniere as his library and featured his office, loft bedroom, hot tub, and sauna.
Keith Raniere at his desk at the library at 8 Hale.
Nancy will also relinquish claims to $515,577 cash the FBI seized from her home at 3 Oregon Trail in Clifton Park, NY. It is unclear whose money it was. FBI agents found the cash stashed throughout the house.
Relinquish a Steinway grand piano located at Oregon Trail.
The Bronfman sisters bought the $90,000 piano for Raniere to play when he visited Salzman. Raniere’s online biography states he could play concert-level piano since age 12.
Give up her ownership of First Principles Incorporated, which owned NXIVM. The people of the USA now own NXIVM.
Salzman reported to FCI Hazelton on February 21, 2022.
This date was ironically the third anniversary of FBI Agent Michael Lever’s discovery of child porn on Raniere’s hard drive. That discovery sent Salzman rushing to catch the plea bargain bus.
Searching for crimes committed after 2105, Lever accidentally found images of Camila taken in 2005 when she was 15. This discovery of child porn changed the trajectory of the prosecution. The NXIVM case was no longer about defendants claiming victims were consenting adults. The government would prosecute Salzman with Raniere, who had child sex charges.
Salzman was the first of the five codefendants to take a plea deal.
Her daughter, Lauren, followed 12 days later, agreeing to cooperate with the prosecution. Lauren informed on her mother, sister Michelle, and brother-in-law Ben Myers. The latter two were not charged.
The DOJ praised Lauren in gracious Orwellian language.
“Lauren Salzman provided extraordinary assistance to the government’s investigation and prosecution of this case. She met with the government on dozens of occasions, both in proffers and in preparation for trial testimony, and answered all the government’s questions, including questions about crimes she committed, as well as criminal activity engaged in by her close friends and family members, including her mother.”
Lauren got probation.
In January 2020, 80 ex-NXIVM members, seeking Bronfman cash, filed a civil lawsuit. The suit targets are Seagram’s heiresses Sara and Clare Bronfman. The lawsuit also names Nancy Salzman, her daughter, Lauren, Raniere, and others as defendants.
Salzman has made no effort to defend herself in the lawsuit and has not retained an attorney.
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While at NXIVM, Salzman reportedly had a $40,000 annual clothing allowance. Salzman was known to shop in select clothing stores around the world.
Salzman has just completed her third month in prison.
At Hazelton, she can spend up to $360 each month on commissary items. The prison permits shopping once a week on a designated day for each inmate. Salzman can buy shoes, clothing, electronics, food, drinks, and more in the commissary.
The fact that she suspended her appeal suggests she has no money to continue, or her health has worsened. She is a cancer survivor who had double radical mastectomies in 2018.
I’m relatively sure the sisters home in NJ had most of the money hidden there too. Why isn’t Glazer going there? Too late now anyway…long muled away by now …unless they are that dumb.
Frank
Salzman had a hand in my sister’s death – she has NO business walking the streets.
Nancy will be out soon….to resurrect nxivm as Executive Success Programs 2.0. Nancy, Lauren, and Michelle are not capable working outside of a controlling MLM coaching world…nor are any of the other drones that worked at ESP.
Prison will not be kind to that woman, Tom said understatedly.
Have you seen her IRL….life itself wasn’t kind to her… She is fugly.
She got off easy. She was right by Raniere’s side – worked in lockstep to coerce women and lead them to Keith’s world of abuse and submission.
She deserves many more years but glad she’s not wasting courts time on an appeal.
Nancy was the Co-Founder and the registered President of the organization. Keith was only a co-founder. Nancy should be more culpable than anyone. Further, other companies have formed since the end of nxivm. Nxivm lives on through multiple different companies from ex-nxivm members. I wish that Frank Parlato would spend time on an article listing all the coaching/mlm companies that have formed since and out of the dissolution of nxivm/ Executive Success Programs. You could do like 30 separate articles on the 30 separate companies that have since formed based on the ex-members and the beliefs of Nancy and Keith.
Like this one? https://howtomanageasmalllawfirm.com/
Why did she withdraw her appeal?
That’s what I would like to know. Generally there is no consequence to a failed appeal beyond the high cost of lawyers. It was a hail mary pass, much like that Rule 33 thing, but if can afford to make the attempt then why not do it.
Anonymous
May 22, 2022 at 11:26 pm
Why did she withdraw her appeal?
Either lack of money for attorneys or health reasons.
According to Frank — Nancy lost her appeal a longtime ago……..
Right around the same time Frank stop drinking. 😉
Kass family in NJ probably has all Nancy’s money. Check there.
Please enlighten us more with another tidbit!
I’ve read about this a few times in many places…apparently it’s so well hidden by the NJ family that they can’t retrieve it….. That’s the biggest scam of it all.
That’s a major joke. They all hate each other. The sister won’t even acknowledge it’s her sister in the news.
Which sister and what sister?
What article shows the sister Carole Kass not acknowledging her sister Nancy Loshin Salzman?
Did not think that Eduardo Aunsulo could be any stupider than he has already appeared. Stand corrected.
This wannabe actor is tweeting that the Clare Bronfman episode of Rich and Shameless is in retaliation for the filing of FBI tampering. Take that in.
Does that include you, Frank? As well?
Because you participated, Frank right? This whole series was created to retaliate against the dead enders in the cult? Even the Pam and Tommy episode?
Those are some incredulous claims. How is this guy going to ever be a professional in entertainment? He clearly does not understand how any of the making of a show works.
I did participate in the show. It was not in retaliation to the FBI tampering. In fact I do not think the producers knew about it when they started the show more than a year ago.
Of course the show was not made in retaliation. And of course the show was made at least a year ago. And of course producers don’t even always know when something is going to get sold or put on the TV schedule. Sometimes they don’t even know what network.might pick it up. Or not.
Of course!. It is mind- bendingly asinine for Eduardo to assert such rubbish.
This is an example of why if a cult follower continuously alleges unfounded and easily disprovable conspiracy theories like Eduardo has done (and the dead Enders do) that are this ridiculous. – no one is ever going to entertain their other bullshit.
That dude is so.pathetic. he’s on social media literally begging for twitter follows like the clown he truly is and will always be. Tagging people like they care about his crazy ass claims.
Eduardo is an idiot. For an actor, he seems to be utterly clueless on the time frame of how most productions go. Chances are the Bronfman episode was already in the consideration phase while the Pedo Lovers were still just talking about the frameup appeal.
That’s because Eduardo is not an actor. He’s just an egotistical wannabe. Still shocked that no casting director is responding to Eduardi’s ridiculous resume. Which states his special skills such as improvisational movement, animal sounds and long hair.
The guy is so desperate for attention it’s cringy. He has kids and is married, like get a real job dude.
It’s really easy to see the psychology of a lot of the cult followers who were really taken in by Nxium. Those dead-enders really see themselves as something special. And need so much affirmation of their presumed superiority.
Keith and non, the dead-enders don’t care about the truth. They care about the narrative.
How should one view Nancy?
A victim? An abuser? Hero? Anti-hero? A romantic? A con artist? A loyal follower? A winner? A loser? A dupe for Raniere?
She is a complex character with both heroic and tragic elements; her in-depth story is worth telling because of the heights to which she rose and how far she has fallen.
Yes to it all.
Lauren getting sucked in, made it more complicated for her. I wonder if her story would be different, if not for that.
NutJob-
Go ask Joe O’Hara or Susan Dones to help you remember who Nancy Salzman is.
Follow along better.
Since today is “Women in Prison” Day let’s visit with Hillary Clinton!
(Special Prosecutor John Durham’s work has revealed that Hillary Clinton promoted false allegations about Donald Trump.)
Hillary Clinton personally approved plan to share Trump-Russia allegation with the press in 2016, campaign manager says
(CNN)Hillary Clinton personally approved her campaign’s plans in fall 2016 to share information with a reporter about an uncorroborated alleged server backchannel between Donald Trump and a top Russian bank, her former campaign manager testified Friday in federal court.
Robby Mook said he attended a meeting with other senior campaign officials where they learned about strange cyberactivity that suggested a relationship between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank, which is based in Moscow. The group decided to share the information with a reporter, and Mook subsequently ran that decision by Clinton herself.
“We discussed it with Hillary,” Mook said, later adding that “she agreed with the decision.”
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/hillary-clinton-robby-mook-fbi/index.html
It’s ALL Over
No worries Shadow
Your favorite politician has had her hung long ago, that’s just a clone.🙄
Half the Trump org admitted to working with the Russians…so lets get outraged that other right wingers are suggesting Clinton did the same thing!
It’s like these idiots being upset that Hunter Biden enjoyed nepotism…but lets ignore that the entire Trump family was hired for the White House and made $3 billion and counting from being in the White House. Or let’s bring up an external email server…while ignoring the Trump family used external email servers, used personal email addresses, personal phones, burner phones, hid records, destroyed records, literally flushed records, took and destroyed classified material and more. I mean damn, if going to bring shit up, at least make sure your Orange God didn’t look at Clinton and go “hold my beer.” Ah but wait, always remember the true lack of morals of any conservative -> its ok if my team does it.
Shadow-
I’d like to watch Hillary and Donald in a porn together. Can you do another face-swap or photoshop?!?
Please!
Maybe Nancy Salzman is afraid on contracting the deadly monkey pox virus.
Like most NXIVM members the Salzmans acted like monkeys for years.
Belgium Begins Monkeypox Quarantines, Biden Warns ‘Everybody Should Be Concerned’
Belgium has become the first country to introduce a mandatory 21-day monkeypox quarantine for those who contact the virus, after three cases were recorded in the country.
On Sunday, US President Joe Biden said that the recent spread of monkeypox is “something that everybody should be concerned about.”
Biden is reportedly receiving regular updates, according to National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan, who told the traveling press pool that the United States has vaccines “available to be deployed.”
Monkeypox is a rare viral infection that originates in the tropical areas of west and central Africa. It is transmitted by very close contact with an infected person, including sexual intercourse. Symptoms are usually mild – with most patients recovering within a few weeks with no treatment.
Around 1% of those who contract the current strain will die.
Symptoms include; fever, headache, muscle and back aches, swollen lymph nodes, chills, exhaustion, and of course, lesions. Nobody has died of the viral disease to date in the latest outbreak.
https://www.infowars.com/posts/belgium-begins-monkeypox-quarantines-biden-warns-everybody-should-be-concerned/
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Frank!
I give up on asking you about if you will research if Sarah Edmondson and Nippy are moving to “Atlanta” Georgia or “Atlanta” Canada! You’re too big of an asshole to talk to!
You recklessly ignored me over and over when I asked about this numerous times, but I when I answered a troll about why I was trying to find out, you replied to that!
You have zero respect for your readers whom without, you aren’t jack shit and act like you have no social skills! Something is seriously wrong with how your brain works on not just this occasion, but on many other interactions with other people that I have bared witness to!
It is incredibly rude how you constantly read people’s comments and ignore them along with many other things that you do!You could respond and say something, but you constantly decide to act like the rude-ass yankee savage worthless piece of shit that you are who doesn’t know how to properly interact with society (or at least simply doesn’t care to)!
You hypocritically call out others on needing “meds” and psychological “treatment” all the time who disagree with you or call you out on your bullshit when you obviously are the one who needs it most and just project your sins into others!
You may think that you will walk away unscathed by the Wrath of God for how you constantly abuse others with you poor social skills, but your karmic debt will pay you back in the end! It will all come back to you one day in spades!
I pray that it will be abrupt, swift, cold, and merciless just like your sorry ass attitude to others and may it be 10,000 times worse and devastatingly crippling to your life so that you are greatly humbled!
Dude. Frank already said he’s not sure which and someone else told you probably Georgia because her husband is originally from there so you are the rude one here. If you don’t like those replies then I suggest you do the research. Google is your friend.
I already used Google and he is more than capable of finding out with his sources! He could’ve replied regardless!
You have no clue what you’re even talking about! Mind your business and stop trying to step on my toes!
The “rude one here” is the one butting into this and declaring shit that he has no clue about and projecting everything that you are into me!
Frank constantly does this to people and ignores people! He has bad social skills and no respect for anybody but himself!
Believe me! If Google could’ve answered this question, I would’ve much rather have gotten the answer from there and not have to ask Frank’s socially incompetent dumbass and get into a bar fight with his nosey, petulant, immature, and ignorant commenters in the process!
You posted on a public forum where others can reply to you. Perhaps you should email Frank directly if you have issues interacting with other people.
So what if I’m in a “public forum”! People also have discussions with people in public where others can reply and that doesn’t mean that they should do it! I can beat up a baby, that doesn’t mean I should do that or that it isn’t immoral!
Just because you can do something doesn’t mean that you should! Especially since in this case, you don’t know what you’re even saying and are quick to attack me who is the victim here!
In regards to emailing Frank, once again you show how little you think about things before you open your mouth and why you shouldn’t be speaking about this!
I have watched numerous people talking about trying to email Frank and he almost never replies (much like he doesn’t do here)! He is more likely to respond here than on email!
The bottom line is regardless of what you think, Frank could replied again and you should mind your own business and not put your two cents into something that you have no clue what you’re even talking about!
I’ve thought of all the angles of this before I did what I did! I don’t need your input on it! So once again, mind your own business!
You seem stable.
“You seem stable.”
“Stable” enough to know you’re trying to be sarcastic asshole with this statement! Are you seriously now going to pretend you understand psychology too?!
Haven’t you already had enough embarrassing improvisations for attention as it is?!……. Do you have any shame?!……
Seriously. Harassing Frank on every post is pretty shameful and embarrassing so you are doing a fine job of that on your own. 😉
“Seriously. Harassing Frank on every post is pretty shameful and embarrassing so you are doing a fine job of that on your own. 😉”
Oh so now I’m “harassing” because I posted some comment 2-3 times to get Frank’s attention?! BOO-FUCKING-HOO! I’m NOT “harassing” anybody! I’m cattle prodding because Frank is very slow and sometimes he doesn’t respond until you send send it a couple of times!
By the way, I’ve only put it on two articles, dumbass and I haven’t done it any more! I have not put it on “every post” like you said and you’re the only one now beating this dead horse (or actually a dead unicorn that you made up in you own imagination) because I saw Frank is going to be a little lazy and selfish piece of shit and not reply! On top of that you’re just exaggerating shit and making this situation into a straw man argument and saying shit O already thought of LONG before you to act like you’re giving me some kind of life lesson that you know more about than me when you have no clue what you’re even saying and insist on railroading this full steam ahead with no idea with what you’re doing!
What’s “shameful” and “embarrassing” is that you still don’t know your place in society and if the shoe was on the other foot, you wouldn’t like this either!
If this was in public and somebody was talking in a corner about this and somebody else decided to chime in who wasn’t a part of the conversation, everybody would be like “what the fuck?!” Because this is the internet people seem it’s ok to be more savage and this bullshit internet culture has got to stop! Just because it’s the internet doesn’t mean you are free from proper social etiquette, dude!
I’m done with you, also! All you do is keep going around in circles when you should already get what I’m saying and fuck off!
Do whatever you want and keep exaggerating shit and trying to sensationalize my choices and intent! I know the truth and that’s all that matters! I have better things to do than keep entertaining your stupidity! If you honestly don’t have enough of a life that you have to butt in to other people’s conversations so that can feel a part of something, then maybe you need to reevaluate your life because that’s really pathetic!
And I know you’re probably going to say something to the effect of “what’s pathetic is you harassing Frank” (or something to that effect where you attempt to throw this reply back in my face)! Don’t waste your time!
I made clear my intentions (even though it was never your business to begin with) and you can now go make up and exaggerate whatever you need to make yourself feel better! The record shows what I said (even though I don’t owe anybody an explanation) and I don’t need you approval! I’m not sorry, you didn’t teach me any lesson, your never will teach me a lesson, and I will continue to do whatever I want no matter how much you cry and throw temper tantrums about it and try to throw it back in my face like a monkey throwing shit!
Your seriously need a new hobby other than chiming into random people’s business and chastising them for no reason! Work on your self esteem! You’re going to need it!
Yep. Pretty stable.
“By the way, I’ve only put it on two articles, dumbass and I haven’t done it any more!”
By the way Count Chocula, you actually posted that question on over five articles so yeah….I’m the one over-exaggerating. 😉
Just knowing that my fellow anonymous and stable nutjob is infatuated with where they live, should be enough for them to pivot and move to anywhere but a city called Atlanta.
“Just knowing that my fellow anonymous and stable nutjob is infatuated with where they live, should be enough for them to pivot and move to anywhere but a city called Atlanta.”
– Nutjob
Seeing the fact that that you call yourself “Nutjob” should demonstrate that you are not white! I think you’re black or some other kind of ******! 🤨
YOU BETTER GET OUT OF HERE!
THAT’S AN ORDER!
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The “NXIVM Nine”
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisrus (talk • contribs) 04:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sources on the Nine
| http://web.timesunion.com/pdf/NXIVM9AllegedExtortionLetter.pdf
Identity of the Nine
Barbara Bouchey
Ellen Gibson
Nina Cowell
Jan Heim
Sheila Cote
Kathy Ethier
Susan Dones
Kim Woolhouse
Angela Ucci
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Early Failure in Business
I am concerned with this section in general considering the facts that I listed above regarding the Consumer’s Buyline case which I will repost here taken right from the Court document dealing with the case:
HELEN RHODES, on behalf of herself and all others similarly situated, Plaintiff, vs. KEITH RANIERE and CONSUMERS’ BUYLINE, INC. Defendant. UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS Civil Action 92-10877K STIPULATION AND AGREEMENT OF SETTLEMENT H. Counsel of plaintiff have made a thorough study of the legal principles applicable to the Settled Claims, have conducted extensive discovery relating to those claims, have thoroughly evaluated the likelihood of success if the case proceeded to trial. The decision of Plaintiff and her Counsel to settle is not an admission that the Amended Complaint lacks merit, but is based primarily on Defendants’ weak financial condition and inability to pay an significant judgement which might be rendered in this matter. Based upon these undertakings, the Plaintiff and her counsel have concluded that it will be impossible to obtain a judgment, whether by trial or settlement, which will provide any restitution for the putative Class alleged in Plaintiff’s Amended Complaint, that the Defendants are unable to pay the costs of any settlement to the putative Class, that the injunctive relief provided for herein will benefit the putative Class, and that nothing herein will bar or prejudice any member of the putative Class from seeking any relief against the Defendants. I. The Defendants contend that the Amended Complaint is meritless and have at all times denied, and contain to deny, that they have committed, or have threatened to committed, or have threatened to commit, any wrongful acts or violations of law to any nature whatsoever in connection with the allegations in either the original complaint or Amended Complaint, or any other matter related in any way to any aspect of CBI or its business and operations, or its dealings with CBI members or distributors.
With that said, I am going to integrate these facts into the section. At issue for me is whether or not this is actually important to have its own section and if so, then I feel we should at least modify its title. U21980 (talk) 17:49, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have integrated the relevant facts of the case via quoting the source document. I figure the attorneys involved with the case can speak better for the actual circumstances than any of us could. With that said, I also went ahead and changed the section name to simply Consumer’s Buyline since that is what it solely deals with. U21980 (talk) 18:07, 14 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Questioned Neutrality
The page reads as an advert, with unsubstantiated comments like “Keith Raniere’s devoted followers say he is one of the smartest and most ethical people alive. They describe him as a soft-spoken, humble genius who can diagnose societal ills with remarkable clarity.” Where is the evidence for this?
Really! The “evidence” is the organization’s own self-promotion site. Chrisrus (talk) 16:48, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, but maybe you guys can add something? I think it’s more than a bit pejorative to call Raniere’s NXIVM a “cult.” Isn’t that in the eye of the beholder or believer as the case may be?–JamesChambers666 (talk) 05:11, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi there, I went ahead and revised some information on the site try and resolve the neutrality dispute. Please let me know what you think U21980 (talk) 05:43, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and that affirmation about Raniere “soft-spoken, humble genius who can diagnose societal ills with remarkable clarity.” is just an opinion of his followers, of course we as his followers will say nice things about it, but is already removed so lets try to resolve this cause I think is important to reflect the life of someone so smart.Verdell2010 (talk) 03:08, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, has he ever published anything in peer-reviewed journals? Or anything even not peer-reviewed? Investigate, you won’t find anything. But don’t take any of the following from me, look into it yourself. Pull sources and see what they say. The Albany Times Union, the Schenctady Gazzette, New York Magazine, and the Metroland have all done investigative reports on him and his group. He ran a multi-level marketing scheme called Consumer Buyline for awhile until that failed and he got sued and finally settled out of court. Last I checked, however, he hadn’t paid off the settlement. Now he does the old Norman Vincent Peele thing with some of the “don’t-let-inferior-people-drag-you-down” stuff which some think he made it up; never having read Ayn Rand, I suppose. Like I could dunk a basketball or understand particle physics if I really believed in myself, but your self-doubt keeps holding you back, so if you fail it’s because you didn’t believe deeply enough. Not too original thoughts, but some think so and are willing to pay for it. My brother went to one of his things here in town because he was asked to go by a woman he liked but unless you’re a young pretty woman or a very rich man, he’s not interested, so they didn’t invite him to anything else. He got the basic idea, though: They corner you and try to break you down emotionally by asking you to share your deepest fears and tell you that it’s your fears themselves that are keeping you from being anything you want to be. But the whole thing is still run like some kind of Amway multi-level marketing scheme and they want you to commit to his Mary Kay Cosmetics-style rewards and levels thing where each of them tries to start a new pyramid and gets a colored sash and a title. I used to see him walking around surrounded by his women, because wierdly he doesn’t drive or talk to anyone not in his group. He’s really taken off since he met the professionally trained hypnotist, Nancy Saltzman, who seems to do most of the work nowadays while Kieth sleeps all day and tries (and fails) to get his bevy of fawning girls pregnant, all of whom are dying to produce “the One”, his offspring, but I guess he shoots blanks or something because he had to get someone else’s kid away from Kristin somehow, lord knows who the father is, so he can do an experiment on how you can raise a kid with no particular culture or language because he’s gonna be raised by Nannies each of whom will speak to the kid in a different language, and the kid will have no primary caregiver or parental figure, just the multi-cultural group of ladies and whatever kind of home-schooling they plan to give him. They boy will be “the one” and then save the world, or maybe the experiment will fail and the kid will turn out all messed up; I’m curious to find out. So go for it people, check into it, but don’t let Wikipedia get used by him and his minions like this. Chrisrus (talk) 06:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have already answered the earlier criticisms by formatting the citations and using outside articles in parts that aren’t describing the mission of Raniere’s organizations. I’m just trying to resolve this neutrality dispute, as I feel that is important for any Wikipedia page. So is there any way we can accomplish this?U21980 (talk) 17:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So you consider self-promoting material gleamed from NXIVM’S own website neutral and unbiased, for real?Keyser Sözetigho (talk) 22:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You take many boasts out of context. You site the Times Union as you source” but the TU is only quoting NXIVM’s own website. This is a convoluted method to get your viewpoint across and violates the rules and integrity of Wiki. You know these stories are derogatory in nature but choose to hand pick favorable quotes taken out of all context while claiming fowl when I place them in the proper and correct contextLink1914 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]
I think talk is cheap, I would rather look at specific examples that you feel show that I have violated the specific rules and integrity of Wiki. Of course, I would also ask that you reflect on some of the edits you have included to show that you are not in clear violation of the same rules you accuse me of violating. U21980 (talk) 23:41, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The most egregious examples of your edits guising over the many self-promoting attributes have been removed at least on this one. “By the age of 27, Raniere was already a member of Mensa, a high-IQ society with a minimum requirement at the one-in-a-million level. Raniere gained recognition for answering correctly all but two questions on a 48-question, self- administered test, in which it is stated that Raniere “moved up to the rarified one-in-10-million level.” This comment came from a a 24 year old news story from the living section of the TU that can only be found at a NXIVM website.I wonder who told you to look there.I don;t for a minute believe you are unbiased or neutral.. [4]Link1914 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC).[reply]
I have basically answered some of these posts in the NPOV section, so in the event you would like to hear my response, I would suggest looking at that section U21980 (talk) 04:23, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Raniere, Keith A. Deposition (Vol. 2) (pp. 165-426) CONFIDENTIAL
Case 2:06-cv-01051-KSH-CLW Document 852-2 Filed 09/20/19 Page 1 of 110 PageID: 20780
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF NEW JERSEY
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NXIVM CORPORATION, formerly known as
EXECUTIVE SUCCESS PROGRAMS, INC. And
FIRST PRINCIPLES, INC.,
No. 2:06-cv-01051
Plaintiffs, (DMC/MF)
vs.
MORRIS SUTTON, ROCHELLE SUTTON, THE
ROSS INSTITUTE, RICK ROSS a/k/a “RICKY”
ROSS, STEPHANIE FRANCO, PAUL MARTIN,
Ph.D., and WELLSPRING RETREAT, INC.,
Defendants.
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RICK ROSS,
Counterclaim-Plaintiff,
vs.
KEITH RANIERE, NANCY SALZMAN,
KRISTIN KEEFFE INTERFOR, INC.,
JUVAL AVIV, ANNA MOODY, JANE DOE
and JOHN DOES 1-10,
Counterclaim-Defendants.
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CONFIDENTIAL
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Kristen Keffe Again.
The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies
BOOK REVIEW| DECEMBER 01 2021
Hunting the Pseudo-Philosopher: Perils and Pitfalls
False Wisdom: The Principles and Practice of Pseudo-philosophy, by Merrill, Gary H.. Bowker, 2021. x + 351 pp.
Roderick T. Long
The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies (2021) 21 (2): 247–288.
https://doi.org/10.5325/jaynrandstud.21.2.0247
Abstract
In False Wisdom, Gary H. Merrill develops criteria for distinguishing genuine from pseudo-philosophy, and then applies his criteria to several case studies, including Ayn Rand, all of whom he finds to be pseudo-philosophers. While offering a mostly helpful overview of better and worse ways of doing philosophy, Merrill fails to motivate adequately his way of distinguishing pseudo-philosophy from mere philosophical vices, errors, or failings. He is inconsistent in his characterization of the criteria for pseudo-philosophy and his application of those criteria, harbors a narrow conception of what counts as philosophy, and displays a lack of interpretive charity toward several thinkers.
Keywords: Ayn Rand, Gary H. Merrill, philosophy, pseudo-philosophy, emotions, rhetoric, Ralph Waldo Emerson, John Stuart Mill, Keith Raniere, philosophy of literature
Copyright © 2021 by The Pennsylvania State University. All rights reserved.
https://scholarlypublishingcollective.org/psup/ayn-rand/article-abstract/21/2/247/287739/Hunting-the-Pseudo-PhilosopherPerils-and-Pitfalls?searchresult=1
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JOURNAL ARTICLES
Hunting the Pseudo-Philosopher: Perils and Pitfalls
Roderick T. Long
Journal: The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies
The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies (2021) 21 (2): 247–288.
DOI: https://doi.org/10.5325/jaynrandstud.21.2.0247
Published: 01 December 2021
…), NXIVM cult leader Keith Raniere, and Ayn Rand—all of whom (spoiler alert!) he finds to be pseudo-philosophers, though he does regard Rand as less transparently so than the other two. It is obviously Rand’s inclusion in this list that explains why his book is being reviewed in the present journal…
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A Critical Analysis of the Executive Success Programs Inc.
February 12, 2003
By Paul Martin, Ph.D.
Director of Wellspring Retreat
Note: Wellspring Retreat & Resource Center is a licensed residential treatment facility that provides a program of counseling and instruction to victims of cultic abuse, religious abuse and/or thought reform.
https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NXIVM/esp10.html
The plaintiffs are seeking damages. Calling it Bronfman cash is just an attempt to discredit them. There are valid claims for damages. People were physically, sexually, and emotionally abused. Human beings were denied a fair wage and earnings. It is not just an attempt to get cash. Their immigration papers were withheld. There are human beings bearing literal scars of a physical nature and emotional and psychological scars.
One of the most enduring questions on the Frank Report has been: What happened to the collateral? Where is it? Who had it?
Suneel is attempting to shield a window into finding out. Suneel is asking that the path and provenance of the explicit blackmail (including child pornography) be redacted from public view.
Suneel does not want the world at large to be privy to where, when, how, why and whom he received this pornographic blackmail from. And with whom Suneel has shared and distributed the child pornography and sexual blackmail.
Why?
To quote Suneel and Eduardo: “WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE”?
This seems like a big development.
It is not the graphic photos that Suneel cares about redacting. The request to the court is to redact this vital INFORMATION about where/why/how/who Suneel had possession of the collateral.
Again… WHY? And…
Why no reporting on it?
Frank, what are you trying to hide?
The former DOS women want to know. The readers want to know. The court wants to know. Don’t you want to know?
Or do you already know? Then share the story.
Yes, well put: how Suneel got hold of ANY material is one of the central questions. What, why, when, where, who gave it to him, and who he showed it to. All this should be ‘traceable’ and transparent. What has he got to hide (as per S’s oft-repeated mantra)?
The other question that has been asked but remains unanswered: WHY would the government bother with ‘framing’ an ageing nobody with no assets who was ‘just teaching self-help courses’? Who are the ‘enemies’ that have enough power to persuade the FBI to do a little bit of tampering on the side for fun, when there is a treasure trove of other incriminating material? Why would the FBI collude?
What did KR do, and to whom, to warrant this? You cannot be an innocuous, humble, poor, innocent man, but ‘they’ (unspecified) fear/hate you so much ‘they’ somehow take enormous personal risk to ‘frame’ you? Maybe ‘they’ didn’t want to have the bother of resetting the traffic lights every time KR walked past? Or were ‘they’ a consortium of global umbrellas and raincoats manufacturers? Business must have gone down when KR stated he was able to walk in the rain and not get wet.
WHY would the government bother with ‘framing’ an ageing nobody with no assets who was ‘just teaching self-help courses’? Who are the ‘enemies’ that have enough power to persuade the FBI to do a little bit of tampering on the side for fun,
Pam’s money for starters
Rosa Lara Junco for finishers…
Just a theory, of course!
There’s a real likelihood Frank Parlato is implicated in Suneel’s filing, that’s why he won’t report on it or post this comment.
Another example of how much of a pussy Frank is.
You may very well be correct about Frank.
Suneel expressed to the court a desire to redact names of those with whom Suneel shared the sexual blackmail material.
Suneel does not care about redacting the pornographic images users to blackmail the slave women and young girl.
No. This hypocritical clown, Suneel, wants the people with whom he distributed the explicit material to remain… ANONYMOUS.
That’s right. One of the idiot dead-enders who has preached for years that the victims of DOS and Keith Alan Raniere should not be allowed to stay unnamed.
That same guy – wants those viewing and passing around illegal images (that the court had ordered to be returned ) to REMAIN ANONYMOUS by COURT ORDER.
Have you heard of a bigger hypocritical and unprincipled human being than Suneel Chakovaraty?
What. A. Creep.
Is she at the camp there or the regular prison?
As one of the people of the People of the United States, I’d like to read the materials of NXIVM, ESP, etc.
Where can I get my hands on that which is now mine?
Why did Michelle get nothing?
Anyone? How did Michelle and Ben get absolutely nothing? How did they escape? Did they testify about anything?
Is she allowed to still run another MLM or another nxivm company when released?
Is Nancy allowed to run another MLM or nxivm type coaching company when she is released? I mean, it didn’t stop Raniere from setting up First Principles after he did his first MLM, Consumers Buyline…..but at least have something in writing for Nancy so she on paper can’t start a new company. And…how are Lauren and Michelle able to continue doing these types of things?
“…third anniversary of FBI Agent Michael Lever’s discovery of child porn on Raniere’s hard drive.”
I’m pleased to see the FR acknowledge that the naked images of 15-year-old Camila were found in Raniere’s possession. Not faked, not manufactured, not planted, but discovered on his hard drive.
Good to see this return to sensible, factual reporting.
It’s also good to see Salzman’s return to common sense. Her appeal of the judge’s eminently sensible sentencing was bizarre and doomed to fail. Much better to serve her time quietly and accept the consequences of her crimes. It could have gone a lot worse for her, a mere three years was a gift.
By not contesting the civil suit, I assume she will allow herself to be stripped of most of her assets, current and future, open and hidden. As it should be. Again, it’s simple justice, paying the price of decades of profitable crime.
And finally, note well that the conditions of her parole forbid contact with former Nxivm members. This is not an unusual kind of requirement and knocks the bottom out of the idea that Raniere somehow has a Constitutional right to have contact with Nxivm people like Raniere while he’s locked up.
Nancy Salzman’s withdrawal of her appeal is due more to the realization that an appeal will be unsuccessful than to a lack of financial resources. Her financial situation was no different before the appeal than it is at the present time.
It was probably their arrogance, just like their vanguard, to take everything to the extreme, to the last instance and to never accept defeat, all out of spite and anger to get even with their enemies and opponents.
However, the judiciary in general and law enforcement in particular, such as the FBI, cannot be dealt with in this way, unlike the destructive litigation rage against individual renegades and enemies, in which the courts and local corrupt law enforcement officials and prosecutors in New York State were used as weapons.
Those with knowledge of appeals and whatnot, have you any theories on why she withdrew her appeal? Seems like if she has the money to appeal, there’s really have little lose by trying. Was there a risk her sentence would have been extended and her lawyers talked her out of it?
Erasend,
The realization that a discovery during the appeals process could result in new charges being brought by a renewed focus on something in the original record.
It’s rare-ish. But Nancy skated on A LOT in her original plea. Even if her deal had an over reaching stipulation defining that what was iin the original.plea agreement couldn’t be used against her (and deals do not always contain such) it would NOT absolve Nancy of crimes outside of that scope.
Not a literal example — -> you are in for racketeering. They reexamine the case during appeal and realize that you are good for murder.
But Nancy could have also simply determined that she would likely be out of prison by the time the appeal was heard and decided.
Nancy probably needs more time for the Kass family to hide the money better too for when she gets out!!
Jack why so Obsessed with this sister and bro-I -law? Baddddblood there. The sister is mentally off (have u seen her or spoken to her?? All such delusions would dissolve if you did ). That peculiar sister and family wrote her off ages ago. Sister avoids acknowledging her at all cost. They wouldn’t say hello to her let alone help her in any way. The sisters community has been amazed by the behavior. You’re barking up the wrong tree
Can you better explain and use names rather than the word sister? it’s confusing to read.
At least Gordon gives details. Unlike your tiresome, repetitive, and vague (yet also bordering on libelous) posts.
So his different “sister” references are confusing to you? Figure it out, bitter boy. And grow up while you’re at it.
Gordon…please explain: “The sister is mentally off (have u seen her or spoken to her??” what do you know?