In a filing earlier this week in the civil case, Sarah Edmondson et al., versus Keith Raniere et al., defendant Danielle Roberts makes a new claim about lead plaintiff, Sarah Edmondson.
Roberts has repeatedly claimed that Edmondson held a higher rank than her in NXIVM.
She now claims Edmondson held a higher rank in DOS, the secret sorority that branded women.
Therefore, she argues that whatever evil is alleged about DOS and NXIVM, if valid, applies to Edmondson more than her.
Yet Edmondson is a plaintiff, and Roberts is a defendant.
Roberts claims that Edmondson recruited slaves for DOS, while Roberts did not.
Roberts certainly had a more notorious role in DOS insofar as she performed most of the brandings, including that of Edmondson.
In turn, Edmondson was responsible for Roberts losing her medical license.
She testified to the branding experience. It is believed she was the only woman who was branded who complained against Roberts.
It was persuasive, and the New York State Office of Professional Medical Conduct revoked Robert’s license last year.
Some argue that the punishment was extreme for a physician who had no other complaints against her.
Testimony during the hearing showed that Roberts was highly regarded and considered a young doctor of extreme talent and promise everywhere she practiced.
She lost her income and life work and is now selling term life insurance.
However, Edmondson was unrelenting. Based primarily on her testimony, the NYS Board revoked Roberts’ license.
Lauren Salzman told Edmondson that the brand was to be a symbol of the four elements. However, Salzman knew better as she admitted at the trial of Keith Raniere.
The brand was Raniere’s initials, cleverly disguised by positioning the ‘K’ and the ‘R’ of the brand 90 degrees clockwise.
Roberts knew the brand was Raniere’s initials but has claimed it was not her business to tell Edmondson or others whom she was branding. They were slaves, as she was. It was up to their masters to tell them.
Her failure to disclose this fact was a matter of obedience and loyalty to DOS.
But Edmondson argued that Roberts, as a licensed physician, had a duty to inform her what the brand really was.
It is one thing for a married woman to have a brand with the symbol of the four elements. It is quite another thing to have a brand of another man’s initials on her pubis.
Roberts argued that she was not acting as a physician when she branded Edmondson and others.
Roberts refers to Edmondson’s description of the branding as false.
The New York Times wrote: Sarah Edmondson, one of the participants, said she had been told she would get a small tattoo as part of the initiation. But she was not prepared for what came next.
Each woman was told to undress and lie on a massage table, while three others restrained her legs and shoulders. According to one of them, their “master,” a top Nxivm official named Lauren Salzman, instructed them to say: “Master, please brand me, it would be an honor.”
A female doctor [Roberts] proceeded to use a cauterizing device to sear a two-inch-square symbol below each woman’s hip, a procedure that took 20 to 30 minutes. For hours, muffled screams and the smell of burning tissue filled the room.
“I wept the whole time,” Ms. Edmondson recalled. “I disassociated out of my body.”
As part of the evidence in the license revocation hearing, the Department of Justice provided a video of Roberts branding Edmondson to the New York State Office of Professional Medical Conduct.
Frank Report reviewed a copy of the video:
The branding of Edmondson lasts about 15 minutes. The actual time the cautery pen touched skin was about 2 minutes, broken up into seven painful strokes of a pen about 1000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Edmondson is naked and is held down by four naked women as a dressed Roberts applies the brand.
Salzman, also dressed, looks on.
When the pen touches the skin, Edmondson breathes deeply. She is not crying. At times, she jokes and describes what she is experiencing as an honor.
At the end of the ceremony, she gets up and is still naked when she thanks Roberts and embraces Salzman.
She did not know then that the DOS symbol was the initials of Raniere. But, as Salzman admitted, part of the recruitment process was to deny Raniere had any participation in DOS.
Roberts again uses the Edmondson defense in her most recent filing in the NXIVM civil suit. However, this time it is the double Edmondson defense:
She claims Edmondson had a higher rank in DOS as well as NXIVM.
Roberts writes, “My rank in DOS was inferior to that of Sarah Edmonson’s as evidenced by her ‘harboring of slaves,’ and my lack of doing so or building the [DOS] organization, and [my role] was FAR inferior to hers in ‘NXVIM’ (or ESP).
“So, if this were some criminally intended conspiracy, Ms. Edmonson, with her 11-year collaboration as a Green Sash Ranking, Board Member Appointment, and DOS ‘slave-ship’ downline, should be being prosecuted far more aggressively than I.
“If [DOS] is not some sex-trafficking slave ring, then these charges should have never existed in the first place. Which is it?
“Despite these obvious facts, the Plaintiffs continue to try to paint me into this phantom family photo.”
That girl is as batshit crazy as the rest of them. Didn’t she sign up for the Hippocratic Oath when she qualified?
And specifically, the condition of non-maleficence – not doing harm to others is even more important than trying to cure them!
That girl knew that by using a cauterizing iron to burn through their skin was not just gonna scar them for life – it could so easily end up as sepsis, and she knew that. BTW, sepsis kills and when it does, it kills quickly. I know, my wife died from it after she was burnt.
What’s that BS about people being senior to other people? It doesn’t make any difference if you punch your boss in the face or the guy reporting to you – it’s still assault plain and simple!
If she ever gave me a diagnosis, I’d definitely be looking for a second opinion, that’s for sure.
By the end of this thing, she’ll be lucky to get off doing jail time, whatever about keeping her ill gotten gains.
@Drop Dead Legs
You had no respond button so
I doubt the OMPC works like the criminal trial does where people get to say, ” I was brainwashed” to avoid any and all responsibility . Had they offered a temporary suspension and a review of their particular ethics to be taken over again during this hiatus that might have actually provided a ‘ Choice ‘ eh?
I hope to heaven this case doesn’t get settled and goes to trial.
I can’t wait to watch Noxious Nicki and Ex-Doktor “Mengele” Danielle represent themselves in court, cross-examine witnesses and testify on their own behalf.
It’ll be more of a shit show than their infamous Dateline NBC debacle. What pupil-dilating drugs will Nicki be on this time around?
Agree with various commenters that all the women involved here on both sides of the lawsuit are over-the-hill and well past their sell-buy dates. Even the best plastic surgeons can’t help them.
Sell by dates
Not what most commentators have said , are you a KR protege?
Frank has seen the unedited video of Sarah Edmonson’s branding ceremony.
His description of it here seems to conflict with the story that appeared in the New York Times.
This NYT’s story is what Moira Penza read, and what she claims prompted her to pitch to her superiors to go after NXIVM criminally.
A broken chain of custody, threats of prosecution if a witness did not fall in line with the prosecution’s story, a ‘sex trafficking operation’ that looks like no other sex trafficking operation ever, and a jury that took only 3 hours to deliberate an incredibly complex RICO case.
Was all this based on a lie?
—His [Frank] description of it here seems to conflict with the story that appeared in the New York Times.
Instead of your interpretation of Frank’s language/meaning lets here from him.
Apparently It wasnt all based on the truth
Rarely are things black or white
Was her book listed as fact or fiction?
Blah! Blah! Blah! Blah!
Aloonzo, how was your weekend? Other than being like every other day in your mundane life.
DANIELLE has so many good qualities, but her version of reality and accountability is grossly skewed. She’s managing to get a lot of attention for herself which likely brings her satisfaction but the cost is great. She has chosen to be cast from her profession and livelihood. She has chosen her path.
Scroll up about choices
She was Never given one
I commend Sarah for being a whistleblower. That took guts. I sort of have a queasy feeling that she could have been a little nicer to Danielle about taking her license away.
Yeah, revenge to the highest exponent makes me queasy too!!
Especially with the ‘ added drama’ weeping the entire time to The NY Times, proven untrue, sounds more like the learned breathing techniques from yoga or practices served her well as I suppose similar to the long practiced La Mans during childbirth, almost SEEMS like she knew exactly what to expect.
Happy Easter, Frank, and the rest of you bitches!!!! 🐣
All women look 👀 different without makeup. Sarah Edmondson looks like a totally different person.
If she jumped into a swimming pool, you’d ask, where did my girlfriend go.
That’s why she won’t jump into the swimming pool, because she knows that after that, people will file a missing person’s report after her.
Now that’s funny! 👀
Roberts cant ever say, “I branded these women” or “I performed the branding”. In every single Instagram video she says “I helped them with their brand.” Interesting she can’t bring herself to keep it real and SAY IT. You didn’t “help them” with the branding. You didn’t hold your hand over theirs while they cauterized themselves. You BRANDED them while they were held down by multiple naked DOS members. SAY THAT!!
As not her attorney, I would advise Roberts to admit nothing.
Even these online videos discussing things, the “I helped them with their brand”, write-ups on it can and will be used against you. The number 1 advice from all attorneys be it one month in school or 50 years practicing is simple – shut the $@#$ up. That includes videos, on social media, on blogs, websites, interviews, to friends, family, co-defendants, and so on.
If I were Glazer, I would prep a super cut of Roberts, Clyne, etc. admitting over and over culpability in the branding and other DOS behavior. Just a lovely mix of videos, quotes, and social media posts. It would play to the jury wonderfully.
If pretending to be a lawyer in your own defense, you should at least follow rule number 1.
Your personal advice comes too late. Roberts et al have already blabbed because they have such a great need to share, and believe their interviews and social media releases would defend their actions and help Raniere, which is not the case.
A great need to share?
These people were literally hounded for 3 years. Every move they made , every job they took.In addition to dealing with the government and news , they may have made some poor choices but so did everyone else. I think they share from their perspective not a need to blab.
Is it hounding people when they hold press conferences? Dance publicly in front of a detention center nightly? Go on Dateline NBC?
After 3 years of being hounded and silent
No I dont think a peaceful protest or your perspective at a news conference is Hounding
No one was hurt or threatened like they were.
No incessant phone calls to jobs demanding They be fired immediately either.
I have 0 respect for Raniere but that’s because I dont believe his mindfulness
claims , I do believe some of these womens mindfulness/ kindness intent though.
Dancing nightly, publicly in front of a detention center for a detained cult leader and lying about why you are there (deceiving people) plus all of the phony websites you started (and dropped) because you do not really care about all prisoners, just 1, is worthy of scrutiny.
The “silencing” tired cliche is patently false. Most people don’t want what you’re selling. BIG difference.
Nicki, you’ve been on so many podcasts. All over social media. Dateline NBC. News conferences and interviews on national TV.
Do you really believe that most girlfriends of an inmate have that kind of platform?
Or their goofy friends?
There are multiple verbal and written public claims by you dead-enders of “choosing” not do even MORE interviews. So, were you lying? Which is it? You didn’t want to do even MORE speaking out? Or you’re being “silenced”? What about all of the posts here on Frank Report? That’s not being silenced.
And all you cowards could have testified.
The loudest most repetitive voices are the ones constantly crying, “I’m being silenced!”
We heard you. We hear you. We disagree with you. There is a difference. Learn it.
Roberts gets this wrong. You cannot not be a doctor if you are one – same for me as a lawyer. You cannot in that sense be off duty. you cannot say – tonight I am doing a medical thing but all doctor rules etc does not apply. It does not work like that.
Also even if it appears someone consents as a doctor you just don’t do certain things. in fact in some places including here in the UK you cannot consent to certain things that hurt too much eg BDSM which is too rough. Consent even if Roberts thought there were informed consent is not the end of the matter.
That’s the UK , doesn’t apply.
Agree. You cannot be a doctor and in your time off inflict pain. You cannot be a lawyer and, off-duty, knowingly ‘bend’ the law. You cannot be a policeman and rob a bank or a store as a hobby.
In fact, it would their actions all the more reprehensible.
That said, in Roberts’ case, scarification is not strictly illegal.
However, her complete obeyance to her master as a ‘slave’, and to KR by extension, calls into question her fitness to practice: she undoubtedly is responsible for her actions but WHO is control of her mind here? Roberts? (not if she only ‘follows orders’). Her master? KR?
What if she was asked to harm a client (as part of, say, the psychological/fright experiment they were conducting)?
(In my opinion), no-one who uses the argument ‘I am a slave and only do what my master commands’ can be trusted.
In a crunch situation, would Roberts obey her hypocratic oath, or the instructions of her ‘master/s)?
You can’t argue the branding is just some harmless thing, akin to some ‘sorority’ hazing. In a sorority, you are agree to support one another, you do not wow blind obeyance to a ‘master’ (unknown to you) for 1,000 years.
Edmonson may have gone willingly along with it all in the beginning, but publicly renounced her wow when she discovered she had been lied to all along. She put herself, her reputation and her livelihood on the line and worked to warn others. That’s the difference between the two.
Three points I would like to make regarding this post:
1) the description Sarah gave in the NYT about her branding differs from what actually happened (the video): no crying for instance. Didn’t Sarah recall the events (that’s possible when being branded) or was it deliberate?
2) I don’t understand Roberts’ reasoning that her rank in DOS was lower than Sarah’s. Sarah and Roberts were both slaves of Salzman who was first line. To me that would suggest they are of equal position in DOS.
3) Roberts lost her license mainly because she thinks she did nothing wrong, was unrepentant and waived any responsibility for not informing the women about the true meaning of the brand. This attitude concerned the medical board maybe even more than the branding itself and they rightfully took her license.
2) They both were not downlined to Lauren Saltzman. Lauren Saltzman was Sarah’s best friend and bridesmaid at her wedding
Both were in it for years
3) Her upline had informed the women, apparently Lauren did not
They are all Guilty!
A Pox on all of their houses!
Why is Danielle referring to herself as a doctor on her website? Is this not fraud? She’s no longer a doctor! Someone please explain!
She is still a “doctor”, in this case a doctor of osteopathic medicine. She earned the degree and deserves to keep the title. What she isn’t anymore, is entitled to practice medicine. She lost her license to do that.
Double back where your question was answered validly many times.
No fraud but I’m sure you’ll ask again anyway. So redundant.
Anyone that gets their doctorate degree is a “Doctor”. Just like the degree is for life, so is the title. Doesn’t matter if an actually practicing (or legally practicing) doctor or not. I suspect you know this and think you are being clever with the question but you are not.
Roberts still has a doctorate. She’s just not a MD anymore.
Frank uses the word “claims” in what Roberts says, but some aren’t “assertions” they are “facts.”
By using “claims” Frank implies they are BS.
One can make true and untrue claims.
If one holds back in judgment and one does not want to make a decision oneself as to whether something is true or untrue, that is legitimate.
As a journalist or observer, one can remain neutral and does not have to judge what is true and false. Here we are dealing with legal issues and circumstances that are legally contested and still have to be or will be clarified in court and appeal instances.
“One can make true and untrue claims”
Some of Roberts’ “claims” are unequivocal true facts, and Frank by labeling some facts as “claims” ignores this and lets the reader infer they may not be true.
Actually, if he doesn’t have proof or she doesn’t have proof it is a claim, dumbass!
MY NAME’S JIM AND I HATE NIGGERS!!!!! 🤪😜😝😛😵💫
What does your hatred of others have to do with this story? Is this a cry for help?
Frank, why do you print such comments?
I am really curious why someone would make that comment. What mental illness he has and is it curable?
“So you see, LaLaLad, this poor person is unstable. He can, at times, appear to be rational. Then he reverts to all capital letters to shout.
I guess you could say he is a charity case of mine. I let him blowhard, and of course, no one takes him seriously. Maybe if he gets it out of his system, he will grow in time to realize that his hatred is likely really for himself.
It is an experiment of mine. Somewhere this guy has to face his demons. Maybe his comments – which in reality no one can take offense to – since they are so childish that anyone of any race can detect he is not a threat.“
Are you saying that me and Jim Bird are the same person?! That’s what it really sounds like that you are saying! Are you seriously saying we are the same person, Frank?!
We are two totally different people on two totally different computers! Don’t you dare fucking loop me in with those racist bastards!
I don’t mean to be rude but can’t you be “curious” in private? On your own? Not on this blog? It’s not like you’re digging into the subject.
If that is true (mental illness et al), then what kind of person are you to publicly play with “a mentally ill” person? Worse than the mentally ill, IMHO.
Frank, I bet u fancy yourself as quite the puppeteer.
PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.
No Madam, I am studying the illness.
Well, aren’t you the Jack of all trades, and Master of none.
That was some serious snark, and extremely insulting to the truly mentally ill. Have you NO shame? That was a rhetorical question. I know the answer, as do we all.
Just curious, do you have mirrors in your home? And if yes, do you just pass by them without looking?
I did not mean to insult you, Madam. I know mental illness is a severe problem and must be very challenging for you. Let me know if I can help.
You still never answered the question….what kind of person does that make you?
Mrs. Schmidt, you seem opposed to my “publicly playing” with the mentally ill, so I do not think I should publicly play with you.
“Frank, why do you print such comments?”
This is coming from ME who hates Jim Bird with a passion! Ummmmmm……Because…….. HE SHOULD HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, ASSHOLE!
What part of that do all these worthless pieces of fucking shit on FR not fucking understand?!
Stop trying to incite Frank to be even more of cyber tyrant than he already is,dipshit! This is exactly what I was afraid of when I saw that these fucking racist hillbilly idiots came on here! That they would get all the libtarded borderline commies, who don’t understand what fucking *FREE* speech means, all ralled up and Franklin Stalin would start turning the screws on everybody worse than he already is! I mean for Godsake Frank is such a piece of shut that he will not publish somebody’s comment for being “too long”! I mean good Lord this Frank is a reckless jackass that I wish I could punch in the face!
I hate Patriot God and his people more than anybody here and I’ve been dealing with them and exposing them for years *LONG BEFORE* any of you incompetent pieces of shit got involved with any of this! And despite all of my hatred of them and my years of longing to have a world rid of Patriot God and his cult, I still have enough common sense to understand that censoring him IS *NEVER THE ANSWER!*
If you don’t like somebody’s comments whether because of substance (or lack thereof) or it volume of words and you’re too big of a little bitch to handle it, hen guess what?! DON’T FUCKING READ IT!
Nobody is pointing a gun to anybody’s head and forcing them to read anything that they don’t want to!
If you don’t like our Country’s founding principles and our U.S. Constitution, then all you little pieces of shit can go to some communist regime enslaved country and starve to death, die, and burn in hell afterwards!
STOP TRYING TO TAKE PEOPLE’S RIGHTS AWAY, YOU GODAWFUL PIECES OF SHIT!!!!! I AM SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF THIS!!!!!!!
So you see, LaLaLad, this poor person is unstable. He can, at times, appear to be rational. Then he reverts to all capital letters to shout.
I guess you could say he is a charity case of mine. I let him blowhard, and of course, no one takes him seriously. Maybe if he gets it out of his system, he will grow in time to realize that his hatred is likely really for himself.
It is an experiment of mine. Somewhere this guy has to face his demons. Maybe his comments – which in reality no one can take offense to – since they
are so childish that anyone of any race can detect he is not a threat.
Mrs. M. Schmidt,
I want to applaud you for being the only voice of reason on Frank Report! 👏🏻
I and others are very concerned that Frank is showing early warning signs of dementia and all of the mental instability that comes along with it!
He constantly haphazardly contradicts himself and I could provide several times where he has been caught red handed saying something in an article or on tv and then POINT BLANK contradicting himself and saying the EXACT opposite in a comment section or somewhere else not even a week afterwards! This guy is just a walking clusterfuck of a train of thought!
This asshole loves to use the word “mental illness” like a broken record as a label for everybody who rightfully opposes his bullshit, like a person with autism who learned a new word, while he himself refuses to be consistent with anything he says!
I’m happy that somebody else is willing to call him out on his bullshit! We need more people like you standing up against him!
First of all, you’re an asshole that you would say that kind of shit to me! I should be taken more seriously than you are and are you seriously going to accuse me of being “unstable” when you contradict yourself with every other sentence that you ever write?! Hey Frank, people yell! Especially when rights are being violated!
I’m sorry that you are an apathetic emotionally blank asshole that holds any kind of passion (especially for a good cause) as contemptible and worthy of being declared as “unstable” or a “mental illness”, especially coming from the likes of you since your dementia-ridden ass has no room to fucking talk! This is why you would never survive even elementary psychology classes! You’re a joke with anything having to with psychology! So how about you just shut your mouth about all together before you one day decide to fuck with the wrong person about it and they have a lot of money to take your ass to court and decide to teach you a lesson and sue the living shit out of your dumbass for it like you deserve!
Second of all, are seriously comparing me to that racist hillbilly asshole, Patriot God, that I have been trying to expose for years or somehow trying to say that we’re the same person?!
How dare you!
I love the fact that you wrote this without any sentences in all capital letters. Bravo.
“I don’t mean to be rude”
But you are being rude because you’re not minding your own damn business!
“but can’t you be “curious” in private?”
Why don’t YOU start getting “curious” about our U.S. Constitution in “private” before you speak!
“On your own? Not on this blog? It’s not like you’re digging into the subject.”
No! But your dumbass and Frank’s dumbass number priority should be “digging into the subject” of freedom of speech! Because good Lord, you ignorant motherfucking pieces of shit need the education!
I hate this guy too! I’ve dealt with them much longer than anybody of you assholes here! Censoring anybody IS NEVER THE ANSWER!
I know how to deal with them, you reckless assholes need to back off and fuck off!
Stay in your own fucking lane, go read the fucking 1st amendment, and stop trying to get Mr. wannabe patriot, Frank Assholelarto, to be even more of a cyber tyrannical dick than he already is!
“I love the fact that you wrote this without any sentences in all capital letters. Bravo.”
Hey dumbass, can actually something that I would “love” for once by actually answering the questions in my other other post and stay “on-topic” like you hypocritically “edit” other people’s free speech you falsely accuse them of?!
Can you stop being a clusterfuck of a train of thought and actually give straight answers to what I said other than spewing a bunch of red herrings and having to make me ask you again when I already to have to wait a fucking day or more for my comment to be posted up In the first place because you’re a big of enough asshole already and then you fuck up like this and I have to wait even longer to get a straight answer?!
This is what you do to a lot of people, Frank and make them have to keep asking to actually answer their questions! Stop being a dumb asshole and get your head screwed on straight! Go back and read what I said before this post and when you reply, try to actually color within the lines with the crayons and don’t scribble all over the walls, eat the crayons, and then intellectually shit all over yourself like you did last time, ok sweetheart?!…….
🤘🏻Hell yeah, Jimbo! 🤘🏻
He’s one hell of a patriot ain’t he, Ginzo?! 👌🏻
I’m mighty proud of, Jimbo! 😉
Keep up the good work! 👍🏻
#If We Believe!
#There’s A Better Way!
The Electric Red Sun God sees all who aren’t worthy of his power. His power resides in the universal decree of Denizens of the night. Colonel I and I alone extend my friend in friendship.
I am what makes you fear the night. The demon spawn are coming and I shall SMITE them all.
Join me and we will usurp Parlato and free the white slaves of England!!!!!
Parlato is the Merchant of Venice!!!! Let’s usurp that mother F’r 👌🏻
Parlato owned the Apollo Theater in Harlem that’s how he controls them! Mind control!!!
The J’s own the N’s! Smekel!!!!
I got the proof. I have the recording!
The Electric Red Sun God is summoned!
A Spade is a Spade!!!!
Thirty Pieces of Silver is what Parlato is packing!!!!!! Parlato is SilverBerg!!!!
Recording is comming tomorrow!
Parlato owned the Apollo!!!!!
Harlem slave master!!!!
Soldier Buddies — your regiment’s a f*ckin’ mess!!!!
If you want my “friendship” then you must apologize to Patriot God for your blasphemy of his greatness!
You must accept him for what he is, the living incarnation of the perfect will of founding fathers for this country! His knowledge and precious dedication to far greater than any man on this earth has been or ever will be! The founding fathers abide in him and bless the unworthy soil that his feet tread upon!
You must surrender to him and give him absolute praise, worship, and authority over your life! This is the mark of a true patriot!
After you do this and if he chooses to forgive you, then we can unite to punish the wicked paper-american Ginzo!
Please, son, get help before it’s too late.
The lie is the thing. It started with Raniere and the first line.
Is it possible that both Edmondson and Roberts are victims?
The only thing is that Edmondson made a lot of money in NXIvM snd now she had won fame for her role
Roberts lost her career.
I would have to agree with Danielle Roberts on this one. Sarah Edmundson is responsible for the suffering of all those she enrolled and restitution should be made. She loved it as she enriched herself and cried wolf when the curtain was coming down and avoided prosecution
The EM person ( 1500) ×
WoW, wonder what psycho babble they implanted in these people’s minds!
Friendship,? bravery,? honesty ?
“Roberts knew the brand was Raniere’s initials but has claimed it was not her business to tell Edmondson or others whom she was branding. They were slaves, as she was. It was up to their masters to tell them.
Her failure to disclose this fact was a matter of obedience and loyalty to DOS.
But Edmondson argued that Roberts, as a licensed physician, had a duty to inform her what the brand really was.”
This is why the ethical discernment of Roberts and the remaining DOS dead-enders can be questioned and why she lost her license. “I was just doing what I was told”. ‘I’m a slave and not a master’ sounds a lot like “I’m just a soldier and not a commander/officer”.
It’s somewhat understandable while under the peer pressure of the cult. It’s no longer acceptable in retrospect, and to persist in it is precisely why she still supports DOS, is in the lawsuit, and lost her license.
Uninformed consent, which it obviously becomes by lying about the preconditions, but even so by not telling the entire truth by omission, which is a form of deceit, making pledges invoke consent under such dubious environmental conditions through recorded words as an “out”, etc., — all easily now seen as deviously planned by Raniere — is morally amiss.
Not her patient
Totally different endeavors
What kind of stupid response is this, dead-ender?
As a family member of a number of licensed physicians (brother, father, aunt and uncles), I know you swear one of a number ethical oaths to practice your profession with the utmost professionalism and integrity, in which you’re supposed to uphold the care and prevent the harm of your patients to the best of your ability. You don’t just “turn this off” when you dishonestly use a medical tool and in a different way than it was intended (branding instead of cauterization) because it’s done in your personal time, and then rationalize it away with the stupidity of ‘I’m a slave, not a master’ in my secret “sorority”.
It seems to me like instead of maturing women, participation in this organization and its secret “sorority” emotionally and intellectually stunted some of them to be just like their ultimate master, and then inverted their minds into a delusion that they were more empowered, agents of responsibility, smarter, ethical, etc., than other members of their sex.
Yep. Agree. The dead-enders do not understand this concept. When you grow up surrounded by professionals like doctors, lawyers, etc., you see first-hand how they constantly protect themselves and others by scrupulously withholding advice or any practice in their field in a non-professional setting or relationship. To the point of being annoying, honestly. Ha, ha.
They worked hard for those careers. And most importantly, they take their oaths and being sworn in, etc. very, very seriously.
It is reckless as hell to jeopardize your career and the good of others by offering random legal or medical advice at a dinner party or cauterizing nude slaves in an Albany condo.
If you behave in that manner as a doctor and suffer consequences, then you have only yourself to blame.
Seriously. Every. Doctor. Knows. It.
The correct response for Danielle when asked (ordered?) to cauterize women in an unhygienic manner with no anesthetic or emergency medical support available or after care would have been, ” Anybody else but me. I am a doctor. I swore an oath. I take it seriously. And I must protect my license, reputation and career.”
But she did not. Danielle made a different choice, and she is solely responsible for the fallout. Be accountable! Stop blaming others, Danielle.
Isn’t it ironic how Danielle took her vow/oath to a pudgy conman and the DOS “sorority” more seriously than her professional oath?
Therefore, it is unsurprising that her professional board rightfully revoked her license after she held her ground and effectively refused wrongdoing. She made her choice and traded one for the other.
Drop Dead Legs-
Stop using references to Van Halen from their pinnacle album from 1984 aptly named 1984.
You’re probably a Sammy Hagar fan.
Hmm, gotta wonder IF Edmonson ever directly just asked her prior to the procedure, or instead just trusted Lauren with the design?