Frank Report covers the federal civil lawsuit, Sarah Edmondson et al., v. Keith Raniere, et al.
Most of the claims of the 70 plaintiffs in the lawsuit are based on emotional damage.
This is a case where no one alleges they lost a limb or an eye; or broke a leg or a spine. There is a financial component; some people paid money for NXIVM courses and want their money back based on consumer fraud. But no one is saying they lost millions or even several hundred thousand,
This is primarily a case of psychological damage.
Regardless of how the alleged crimes and torts fill us with horror, this case is based on the plaintiffs’ feelings.
Most of them allege they have some mental instability caused by fear, and belated recognition that they have endured emotional harm from the defendants, mainly the lead one, Keith Alan Raniere.
Nearly all the plaintiffs at one time thought they made a splendid decision in associating with the defendants and their companies. They had emotions of joy and happiness as they told their minds they were onto something extraordinary. And that Keith Raniere was a great gift in their lives.
Now their emotions are hurt, and despair has come. As is seen in the complaint, some tell themselves that they are permanently damaged.
Just as they once thought NXIVM or Raniere could guide them, they now believe only a therapist can. They are “Hopeless Number One.”
Some of the plaintiffs say they will never heal from their emotional trauma. This may be true, but, sadly, anyone should think so little of themselves that they adopt a belief that they can never heal their emotions or from their depressed outlook on life.
If they lost an eye, I would agree that it might not be healed, but if they are psychologically damaged, I hope they can recover with courage and effort.
But none of this getting healed plays well when suing the Bronfmans.
I expect everything in the lawsuit to be couched in terms of extreme pain and grave sorrow, hopelessness, and despair by a procession of plaintiffs and possibly an equal number of therapists to corroborate.
This case is about proving mental and emotional damage, being hypnotized, brainwashed, victims of coercive control, fraud, and deception, which caused emotions to change from happiness and delight to sadness and depression that is lasting and costly to heal.
The Teardrop
Everyone knows emotions are fickle and not easily measured. A jury can judge them, and the best means of persuasion are tears, real or crocodilian.
But, unlike the judge in the criminal case of USA v Raniere, the civil court judge, Eric Komitee, will likely be skeptical of every teardrop. He won’t stop a cross-examination because a couple of tears happen to fall. This is about money, which has a cooling effect on judicial temperament.
Of course, it is not entirely up to the judge. As they did of Raniere in his criminal case, the jury might wind up hating the civil defendants — and do the needful — blame it on the Bronfmans — and extract some of their ready cash from the two sisters.
That won’t happen fast. It will take a year or more to get to trial, and after that, if the plaintiffs or at least some of them win, there will be an appeal. No money may change hands for years.
Will Be No Cakewalk
To get to trial, the lawsuit must survive pending motions to dismiss by the Bronfmans. I will guess that some or all of the claims will survive the motions. And, if the case is not dismissed, it will go to trial unless it is settled, which will not easily happen.
The Bronfmans are known for spending more on lawyers than they might pay to resolve the matter.
This is not a stubborn or misguided principle, or because they have so much money, it doesn’t matter if they spend an extra million or two on legal expenses.
Not settling, making plaintiffs prove every inch of the way, with severe and exacting discovery demands, probing interrogatories, and pounding depositions have a deterrence value.
If the rich settle easily, they encourage lawsuits. A reputation for spending whatever it takes to make it unpleasant for plaintiffs means the next potential plaintiff will not be as quick to file a claim.
This is about money for both sides, and everyone knows it, and in the cold conference room with a battery of lawyers, crying victims will get no sympathy in their depositions.
Like Judge Garaufis did when one of Raniere’s attorneys complained about the judge not granting him an hour continuance so he could attend the funeral of a friend — when the civil victims cry at depositions, one of the Bronfman attorneys will hand her a box of Kleenex and continue questioning.
Top Flight Attorneys
The Bronfmans night not offer a nickel to settle, but they have not spared any expense in paying the attorneys who represent them.
You can google these names for yourself.
Judge Will Be Different
Be advised upfront, anyone who thinks this will be a coddle-the-victims show, the plaintiffs will not get the same treatment from Judge Komitee, a Trump nominated federal judge, as they got from Judge Garaufis.
As happened in the criminal case, Judge Komitee won’t always rule against the defendants.
Defendants May Not Be Seen
In the courtroom, the defendants will not be present.
The primary alleged wrongdoer will not be there unless, somehow, by the time this goes to trial in two or three years, Raniere has won his appeal or proves his claim of FBI tampering.
The hateful Raniere will not likely be on display for the jury to loathe.
Clare Bronfman might still be in prison and won’t appear.
Her sister, Sara, won’t be there. She will not likely leave her palatial estate in Portugal to come to the USA.
All the jury is likely to see from the defense if it goes to trial are the Bronfman sisters’ lawyers — and maybe Nicki Clyne, Danielle Roberts, and Brandon Porter, who represent themselves. The other defendants either cannot or seem not to want to appear.
Plaintiffs Will Put on a Fine Show
As for the plaintiffs, they will have an advantage, for they will appear — some 70 plaintiffs — one after another telling the jury tales of emotional torture, of woe, and being brainwashed, coerced, or manipulated, some of them right into the bedroom of the ghastly, odious Raniere, whose picture will be shown to the jury.
As they tell their horror tales, count on the tears to flow.
The criminal case was a virtual Niagara, with every NXIVM witness weeping at one point, even the one male NXIVM victim.
One media outlet described the male’s crying as “blubbering,” an indication of gender bias, for none would dare say a woman who cried up several gallons, as blubbering.
In the civil case, I expect a tsunami of tears to erode the shores of Bronfman’s claims of non-responsibility. Every tear shed will be as if to say, “Blame the Bronfmans for these saline drops that fall from my eyes of which I cannot control or stop.”
After a thousand tears and 100 stories of horror, the jury may be so lathered up that they won’t care who did what. They might not care whether Sara Bronfman knew a thing about DOS or if the law doesn’t hold her responsible for a reckless Vanguard.
She’s rich, and these poor women suffered.
Will Sara Pay If She Loses?
I suspect that Sara Bronfman has no more ties to the USA. She probably moved her assets out of the USA before the civil suit was filed, in anticipation of it and the possibility of the US Department of Justice seeking to seize some of her assets
If the plaintiffs win, there may be a matter of jurisdiction.
I do not think that simply because she is defending the case, she is at risk of having a collectible judgment. The act of defending this matter, something which she can afford, could be a flexing of muscle or trying to contain reputational damage without capitulating.
Much of her money is managed by an individual based in NYC, who manages many of the wealthiest families in the world. He knows how to shield and shelter money.
On the other hand, the attorneys for the plaintiffs may have developed a plan to address this, for it is not something they are unaware of – that Bronfman would not leave her money sitting for them to collect.
But there are experts in the field of collection. It remains to be seen how far they can get.
Clare Not Untouchable
On the other hand, Clare Bronfman, under the watchful eye of the feds and in prison, is not free to move assets around.
Much of her money is in a trust she created before the criminal trial, which she does not control. The trust may not be subject to judgment. It does not matter. She has enough assets outside the trust that there is certainly money that could be collected if she loses the suit.
This case may boil down to Clare Bronfman alone.
Blame the Bronfmans
Judge Eric Komitee knows civil law, and before he was a judge, he was steeped in high-stakes civil litigation.
He will have carefully prepared jury instructions. He will likely tell the jury what they need to find as fact to blame the Bronfmans, which is all this lawsuit is about.
The plaintiffs do not need to prove to the jury’s satisfaction that Raniere is guilty of the harm they experienced or that Allison Mack or Nancy Salzman were rascals. That is almost a foregone conclusion.
They have one thing to prove: That it was the Bronfmans’ fault, that they are legally to blame for what Raniere et al. did.
Most plaintiffs likely had little contact with the sisters. Blame-the-Bronfmans, therefore, has more to do with blame-their-money.
How it was used, what it enabled, what these sisters knew or should have known when they provided financial support, and whether the law supports them paying for what Raniere did. There is case law, negligence, willful blindness, and its defense, the old notion that “my money ain’t me.”
This is going to be an exciting fight.
“Dude, I did not read your comment. It was way too long.”
– Frank Parlato
If you honestly think that was “too long”, then you haven’t been out in the world much to say something that stupid! I’m sorry that somebody with a lot of knowledge to give is intimidating to you!
You shouldn’t be trying to engage in debates with people who are much smarter than you can handle, a normal sized answer in a country that is childlike simplicity more and more!
In the real-world, things are complex and take more than a sentence or two to convey! You should know that as a so-called “journalist”!
Perhaps we should just try to be more sensitive to your condition and take pictures of macaroni art to send to you so that you can actually understand it! Like Patriot God Fan said,
“We don’t your brain to blow a circuit”!
I hope this comment wasn’t “too long” for your fragile peanut-sized brain, dipshit!
“brevity is the soul of wit”
It takes effort to share your thoughts without babbling on.
“brevity is the soul of wit”
“It takes effort to share your thoughts without babbling on.”
Yeah, only intellectually lazy jackasses say shit like “babbling on”!
This doesn’t concern you, troll!
Fuck off!
Never underestimate the power of two ugly ducklings who are rich.
Sorry, Andre, enlightened men like me never judge a woman’s beauty by their outward physical appearance. When I look at the duckling sisters, I don’t see ugly, I see rich.
I think this case is going to be a hard sell to a jury. I wonder why no one is asking about the money the government received first. Were there not “forfeitures” made to the government? Some of the defendants were so affected, and might have assets left over if it where not for such a shady practice.
Vanguard really needs treatment for that enlarged nipple!
Frank – This may be of interest. It involves outing a cult victim.
https://cultnews.com/2022/04/exploiting-painful-cult-experience-ginni-thomas-wrong/
This is interesting, Pyriel. Rick Ross disagrees with Steve Hassan, which is good. They are the two leading cult authorities. I disagree with both of them on this issue.
Ginni Thomas’s January 6th texts to Mark Meadows show that her “brain” is susceptible to obvious falsehoods and conspiracy theories. It is very frightening that she shares her madness with her powerful “best friend.”
“No one lost an eye or a limb”
This mirrors the Dead Enders rhetoric. No drugs or weapons were involved; therefore, his conviction is unjust.
A nonsensical argument.
Here’s the nub of the civil case: Nxivm was a criminal organization engaged in sex trafficking. The Bronfmans funded it and were intimately involved in it. Raniere is a monster, a sex trafficker, and a child sexual abuser. The Bronfmans funded him and enabled him and supported him. Clare still endorses him.
That’s what the jury in this civil case will be presented with. A simple majority will decide this case.
Crocodile tears? Hurt feelings? Are you kidding me? Anyone who doubts Nxivm did real damage and the victims deserve substantial civil compensation (as well as punitive damages) should read the case of Maja Miljkovic as laid out in chapter 19 Sara Berman’s book Don’t Call It A Cult.
Vancouver actress Miljkovic got sucked into Nxivm via the acting angle and Mack’s fraudulent Ultima (later The Source) and suckered into doing unpaid work (peonage). Raniere took a “special interest” in her (grooming and sexual harassment). She was pressured into staying in the Nxivm cult compound. There’s this gem:
“Although Miljkovik had arrived in the US on a tourist visa, everyone around her seemed confident that CLARE BRONFMAN would help sort out her work status. (Nxivm’s proposed strategy would later result in Milijkovic’s short-lived marriage to motivational speaker Marc Eliot. The marriage ended soon after a U.S. customs investigation in 2014).”
There’s more. Plenty more. Including cruel psychological experiments by defendant Porter, acting “classes” that were mostly about indoctrination and manipulation, and an incident where CLARE BRONFMAN personally summoned her for some “special attention” (sexual harassment) by Raniere.
And Miljkovic wasn’t even in DOS. All this happened in the Nxivm that the Bronfmans directly funded and participated in.
Miljkovic’s story directly implicates Clare, Mack, Porter, and other defendants. And she’s just one plaintiff.
Sexual harassment and fraud are not mere “hurt feelings”. So good luck trying to convince a jury that’s all they are.
My guess is Bronfmans lawyers will settle out of court for a whole lot of money. As for the other defendants, they’re toast.
Great comment, Aristotle. I think I will publish this and give my perspective. It is excellent to have contrasting opinions and intelligent debate.
One more thing. When some anonymous commenters don’t like what I write they merely attack, but you at least provide a reason.
Frank
Sara’s blog and updates about her activities have long since disappeared. I’m not surprised when one considers her sister’s unexpectedly severe sentencing and imprisonment, the civil suit against her, the disasters in France that forced her and her husband to flee that country, her husband’s fiasco in Libya, and the complete fall of Nxivm in the USA. All that has been reported is that Sara has sought refuge in Portugal from extradition and sought legal protection through a network of obfuscated trusts.
Is there someone on the ground in Portugal that can report on her whereabouts and activities? She has had reason to keep a low profile; but she also seems like the kind of person who wants to make a difference in the world and has sought out opportunities to support environmental causes, sustainability, etc. Personally, I’d like to see her reconcile her past mistakes, make amends to those she’s hurt, and become someone who makes a real impact on others.
Frank Report has been good at using available resources to track people down. I’d like to see what can be done to re-establish contact with Sara and continue the reporting on her.
A smart move PR wise would be for her to settle with the plaintiffs. She could craft a deal that helps some of the plaintiffs out. I may write a post about it. – such as a sample PR move she could make and settle the case.
Frank,
Are you still posting comments on the “Cami & Keith Text Reveals Bombshell to Show Cami Under Age of Consent” article?
yes
Then why are no new comments being posted?
All I got was one new comment calling me a nigger again and it was getting redundant. I mean I don’t mind, but I think readers get bored with people calling me the same old name. It is either Ginzo or Nigger.
But thanks for asking.
Actually, Frank,
I sincerely enjoy all those guy’s comments Patriot God, Col., etc! There are amazingly witty and hilarious and they never get old and I know many people on here agree! Everything that they say is pure gold!
You just assume that we think that and to be honest I was looking forward to that guy’s reply to you that you never posted! Who cares if it says “nigger” or “Ginzo” in it! I’m sure that’s not the only thing that was said and even if that’s the case, who cares it’s still comedic gold!
I don’t who the anonymous guy is asking you about other comments. But in regards to the ones being made by the “racist” group, could you please post them anyways for our entertainment and stop not posting them?!
You claim everybody is “bored” and “tired” of them but the truth is that you hardly ever let them post to begin with! You always pretty’ much block them! But I like them and many others have asked you to let them talk also!
Even racists have freedom of speech, Frank. You claim to care very much about it but then you deny it from people! You also asked the Col. a question and didn’t give him a chance to reply. I was looking forward to seeing his reply!
Even if some people are “bored” and “tired” of them, many people aren’t and if they are, all they have to do is not read it.
Being “bored” and “tired” of certain words doesn’t disqualify people of their free speech, Frank! Many people get “bored” and “tired” of your repetitive articles constantly beating dead horses but nobody is preventing you from posting them like you do to other people!
Let me speak on behalf of many people on Frank Report,
ALWAYS LET PATRIOT GOD AND HIS FRIENDS TO SPEAK! NEVER EVER DENY THEM THE RIGHT TO POST YOUR ON THIS WEBSITE OR YOUR OTHER ONES EVER AGAIN!
WE ALL ❤️ PATRIOT GOD & FRIENDS!
#FREE PATRIOT GOD & FRIENDS
Frank!
Are you going to reply to me?!
Would you please post that Col. guy’s replies on the other article that the Anonymous guy was talking about himself?
Will you also stop not posting their comments please?! It’s very annoying that you do that!
Will you please reply to this and not ignore me?
wouold Patriot dare debate me?
“wouold Patriot dare debate me?”
Patriot God would debate you and time of the day week and year and he would destroy you, Ginzo!
You don’t have a dog in in this race other than to claim to “consult” with me about “securing free speech” and then block my comments from being posted all because you think they are “boring”, you coward!
You also blocked poor little Billy Newman who’s only 10 years old and was sad that Patriot God isn’t here right now and I was trying to cheer him up, you goddamn evil tyrannical guido!
HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP DOING THIS, DESPITE ALL OF THE PEOPLE TELLING YOU TO STOP?!
You obviously don’t know what free speech is or just don’t give a good goddamn about it! There is no “if a paper-American guido thinks it’s ‘boring’” clause in our United States Constitution, Ginzo!
Do you understand?!
All you do is lie!
Patriot God would rip you a new asshole if he debated you, but all you would do is cheat by censoring him or just popishly “declare” his retorts to be “too long”, “rambling”, and/or “boring” and just claim victory and steal the crown like the pussy that you are!
You once again heard people tell you to censoring us, Ginzo!
Stop acting like a little bitch and get to posting up my comments on the previous article and STOP TAKING PEOPLE’S FREE SPEECH AWAY AND DANCING AROUND THE ACCUSATIONS WHEN YOU ARE RIGHTFULLY CONFRONTED ON YOUR HYPOCRISY!!!!!!
NOW GET MOVING ON THOSE PUBLICATIONS OF MY COMMENTS AND STOP BEING A LITTLE PUSSY FAGGOT WITH OUR FREE SPEECH!!!!!!!
RIGHT NOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!!!
THAT’S AN ORDER, NIGGER!!!!!!
😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Then I demand a debate. We will have a separate post, and we will have alternating statements. But if he chickens out, I will not be surprised.
Frank,
I don’t know if Patriot God would debate you or not, but that doesn’t answer MY question.
Will you PLEASE stop censoring all those guys for my and other’s entertainment?!
Stop beating around the bush and answer me, dude! Seriously!
I don’t know if Patriot God would debate you or not, but that doesn’t answer MY question.
Will you PLEASE stop censoring all those guys for my and other’s entertainment?!
Stop beating around the bush and answer me, dude! Seriously!
Mr. McBlack, I am confident that Patriot God has the courage to debate me. Please try to persuade him.
I have no powder to persuade him one way or the other. I am just part of the audience.
I don’t know this guy. A debate is between you and him!
Once again, I am talking to YOU about not to censor him anymore!
Stop talking to me about debates and answer me about what I am saying!
Let’s try this again!
WILL YOU PLEASE STOP CENSORING HIM IN GENERAL?!
Even if you debate him, if you censor half (or more) of his responses, how will that be a fair debate?! You must stop censoring him and let him say whatever he wants even if he says “nigger” ten million times!
I can’t control his language!
While a debate between you and him would be interesting, I do agree with the Col. guy that you will probably rig it by censoring him or just call his words “tirades” or “rambling” or something and then automatically “declare” yourself the “winner”!
I really don’t think you’re going to have a fair debate with him and then you’re just going to keep censoring him! Even if he wins and you miraculously acknowledge that, I think you will still just go back to wind up censoring him again!
Again, he shouldn’t have to “debate” for his free speech! You said in the other post you would consult with Col. about “securing free speech”! Now you’re doing this?!
You don’t seem to make any fair moves, Frank! You seem mentally unstable with everything that comes out of your mouth and that you always contradict yourself! So I don’t see the point of a debate (even though I would love to see it for entertainment)!
It seems nothing positive would come out of it from you because you’re very dishonest with how you handle things!
Just like how you keep running around the bush with me!
Listen very carefully and answer this question!
WILL YOU STOP CENSORING PATRIOT GOD AND HIS FRIENDS WITH AND/OR WITHOUT DEBATE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HIS 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS?!…….
Stop not answering this question and talking about “debates”, dude!
ANSWER ME!
Sometimes old Patriot God runs a little long. Hard not to censor something that is off topic and almost book length is word count. I would like it better if he could either be on topic or be brief.
I have no powder to persuade him one way or the other. I am just part of the audience.
I don’t know this guy. A debate is between you and him!
Once again, I am talking to YOU about not to censor him anymore!
Stop talking to me about debates and answer me about what I am saying!
Let’s try this again!
WILL YOU PLEASE STOP CENSORING HIM IN GENERAL?!
Even if you debate him, if you censor half (or more) of his responses, how will that be a fair debate?! You must stop censoring him and let him say whatever he wants even if he says “nigger” ten million times!
I can’t control his language!
While a debate between you and him would be interesting, I do agree with the Col. guy that you will probably rig it by censoring him or just call his words “tirades” or “rambling” or something and then automatically “declare” yourself the “winner”!
I really don’t think you’re going to have a fair debate with him and then you’re just going to keep censoring him! Even if he wins and you miraculously acknowledge that, I think you will still just go back to wind up censoring him again!
Again, he shouldn’t have to “debate” for his free speech! You said in the other post you would consult with Col. about “securing free speech”! Now you’re doing this?!
You don’t seem to make any fair moves, Frank! You seem mentally unstable with everything that comes out of your mouth and that you always contradict yourself! So I don’t see the point of a debate (even though I would love to see it for entertainment)!
It seems nothing positive would come out of it from you because you’re very dishonest with how you handle things!
Just like how you keep running around the bush with me!
Listen very carefully and answer this question!
WILL YOU STOP CENSORING PATRIOT GOD AND HIS FRIENDS WITH AND/OR WITHOUT DEBATE JUST FOR THE SAKE OF HIS 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS?!…….
Stop not answering this question and talking about “debates”, dude!
ANSWER ME AND WHAT I AM ASKING YOU!
“Sometimes old Patriot God runs a little long. Hard not to censor something that is off topic and almost book length is word count. I would like it better if he could either be on topic or be brief.”
Omfg, Frank!
I have wanted to debate Patriot God for years! What you just said demonstrates that you can’t handle a debate with him, or anybody for that matter! I would allow him to say whatever he wants without any censorship! This shows that you are not going to be fair! You don’t even know what fair means! You have no capacity to handle this morally! And all you’re going to do is make him look right and make yourself look like a pussy who can’t handle all of his logic!
I hate Patriot God with a passion! But even I have to admit that he is NEVER “off topic”! You seriously need to shut the fuck up with that saying that!
Also despite my hatred of him, I know he’s a very intelligent man and is revered for it! He has a lot to say about things and it is almost impossible for him to be “brief”! You just need to stop being intellectually lazy!
You can’t even be “on topic” because this other guy has asked you a question several times already and you’re too stupid to actually give a reason answer! You talk about “mental health treatment for Patriot God”, but are constantly mentally unstable with everything that you do!
You first said that you would “permit Patriot God to speak”, then you went back on your word and lied! Then you started making up excuses about him being “off topic” and having “too many words” ! And when other people told you that he isn’t “off topic” and how many other people do the same shit you falsely accused him of and you let them do it, you just ignored them all and never answered like a pussy while you claim “Patriot God is too afraid to debate you”!
Then you made a false hit piece about him and claimed how “depressed” you were that he never said anything “clever” and that all he ever said was “Ginzo” and “Nigger” (which is a flat out lie! Yes he called you those names but he also answered you with everything else and you just ignored everything else that he said)! Then a few comment boards later, you point blank contradict yourself and say that you find that him calling you was “Ginzo” WAS “clever”?!
I mean good God, Frank! Does somebody need to slap the shit out of you to get the cogs in your brain to work properly?! You are one of the biggest clusterfucks of a train of thought that I have ever seen in my entire life and all you is prove Patriot God right about his worldview of your genetic inferiority every time you deal with him and say anything!
So what makes you think that you are mentally competent enough to deal with him?! All you’re going to do is be a cheapskate idiot, censor his replies, and wrongly claim “victory” for yourself and not keep your word!
You can’t handle this, Frank! You can’t even reply to this other guy’s simple question without saying something ridiculous and being “off topic” yourself! All you do is project!
He’s telling you to STOP censoring Patriot God no matter how “long” or “off topic” (which HE IS ALWAYS ON TOPIC and you’re just an idiot who keeps saying that like a broken record without any proof whatsoever) he is because he has freedom of speech! This is what we’ve all been telling to you for months, you stupid fucking piece of shit! PAY FUCKING ATTENTION, DIPSHIT!
This isn’t rocket science, Frank! How in God’s name are this fucking stupid?! How dropped you on your stupid fucking head when you were a baby?!
This is why I should debate him because I can accurately represent his arguments and I’ve dealt with him for years and you haven’t! You’re too big of a mentally unstable weasel jackass to handle this, Frank!
I just need to debate him on a different platform when I can find one that doesn’t censor so that we don’t have to deal with your mentally unstable ass! If I had the money, I would just make one so we could all deal with him without your dumbass fucking it all up! You fuck up everything you do and it seems that you’re such a clusterfuck of train of thought that you can barely wipe your own ass based on how you handle things, dude!
I mean you claimed that you “fixed” the commenting board when we told you to get a new one where you could post, edit, reply, and delete your own comments instantaneously at will and you don’t even listen to your own fucking reader’s will and decided to stay with the bullshit Orwellian system that you hypocritically claim to be against! AND THE GODDAMN REPLY BUTTONS ARE STILL FUCKED UP!
You’re a worthless piece of shit in everything you put your hands on! You’re are not going to deal with Patriot God correctly or fairly and you just need to back the fuck off, you dumb selfish piece of shit!
This comment ran a little long too. I just read the last paragraph.
Special message to MCBLACK and his lover Nazi bitch Patriot God – the Red electirt Son God is my salvation!!!!!!
Nazi anyons!!! Budd. “!
Stay out of the fast lane!!!!
Don’t try to mind meld with me while showering again!!!!!
FU Jedi Devil Boy! I got game. Lobotomize me in the shower FU! FU! And ur doggy F’cker n tits!!! Nice try!!!! Sleep deprived lunatic tits bitch!!! The Electric Red Sun God is mine!!!!!!! Once again you step into my ShaDe!!!!!! Power is in the mind not the spirit of ozonolugs!!! The lugs are powerful but none have the power of 2X my power!!! So step off and go back to your hamlet of wussy dudes and zolar men!!!! F’cker mother fart knock3er tits ! You think you got what it takes to take the title? Talk shit get hit!
You like time traveling? Because I’ll knock you’re ass into next week!
Brevity is clarity!!!! Pecker! U get that bitch [redacted]?!?!,
Should I cancel ur subscription to bitch ass magazine? Yeah I said it . Ur butt hurt cuz I just sent it brother Love star! pansy ass Nazi liver 666 coming!!! the Electric Red Sun God sees all!!! Batman is not real but I am. You got that sucker pig????
Vengeance vindicator Viking gods and the holy trinity that’s right I know Shakespeare! ItS the Electric Red Son God Ruling.
They call me Vesuvius!!’
Cuz I come like a volcano!
GGG is a boxer!!! 4 real!!! Look it up if don’t believe me.
Whisker muffins and gravy don’t mix with the Michelin man.!!
[NOTE:] I will have to post this up here since you’re so fucking stupid that can’t even get you reply button fixed properly so that I can click REPLY and this where it belongs instead of way up here!
“This comment ran a little long too. I just read the last paragraph.”
Bullshit it was shorter than most of your fucking articles are, asshole!
If you don’t want to read the whole thing, then you have just demonstrated why you shouldn’t be debating anybody because you’re too intellectually lethargic to deal with things properly!
If you want to be a pathetic and petty little bitch like that about this, then fine! I will let leave the rest of this message out for your astute readers who can actually understand it and let them all see for themselves the absolute difference between me and Frank Assholiarto!
Let everybody see and judge for themselves on my comments and judge between me and Frank and see who actually did what was right and practice what they preaches and who doesn’t!
“Sometimes old Patriot God runs a little long. Hard not to censor something that is off topic and almost book length is word count. I would like it better if he could either be on topic or be brief.”
– Frank Parlato
Then I am going to have to agree with the other guy, Frank! You still won’t deal straight and answer my question and just keep being “off topic” yourself! I see no point in him debating you if this is your attitude! I smell a rigged debate and foul play on your part from a mile away based on your previous actions and this comment that you just said to me!
I will be brutally honest with you, Frank. I have watched you for a while and I see what others are talking about. You do say some interesting things about NXIVM (and a lot of it I do think you out your own sensational spin on), but pretty much outside of that, you’re pretty much a unreliable snake in everything that you do! This is why a lot of people don’t take you seriously!
You aren’t a honorable man in anything that you say and do and you come across as a really murky and crooked slime ball who can’t be trusted to do what’s right morally! I can’t control Patriot God and I have no ability to get him to anything. All I am is somebody who thinks he is witty l, funny, and entertaining. But I can tell you that even if he agrees, there isn’t really going to be a real valuable “debate” between you and him because all you are going to do is just be a sleazy douche bag and just censor all of his replies and steal the crown!
I hate to break it to you, but this is why a lot of people don’t like you and why you are losing a lot of readers, Frank! Eventually, you will probably just wind up having the same fate as Keith Raniere or just losing your credibility as the so-called “journalist” that you think that you are and as a trustworthy human being more than you already have because of how big of a reckless backstabbing asshole that you are! You seem to not to give a shit about anybody or their constitutional rights except yourself and in the end, karma will catch up to you for that kind of brazingly selfish attitude sooner or later, bro!
Nobody is going to respect you if you keep that shit up and you will probably wind up being buried alive in lawsuits by the time this is over because everybody in America is getting sick and tired of the people in control not respecting our Constitutional rights and trying to find petty reasons to weasel around it like you do! *FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH*, Frank! There are *NO EXCEPTIONS*!
You censoring speech because you think something is “off topic” or “too long” is completely subjective to your own feelings and you wouldn’t last long in court about that! Not to mention who ridiculously petty and pathetic that your character is for doing that to begin with!
So I mean really, dude! You are not a good guy and you aren’t worthy to debate anybody! I don’t like Suneel, but even you couldn’t even debate him properly! You’re cheap and dumb in everything that you do!
So I don’t see the point of you debating him or anybody, for that matter! I mean, I would just be on the edge of my seat waiting to see Patriot God’s replies to you on what you said to him and only wait and wait in suspense for a long period of time only to find out that you censored him and won’t post it at all or that you will just half ass post what he said and delete the rest?! Like are you fucking kidding me?!
That irritate the living shit out of me and also many others! If you honestly did that, it would stress me out to the point that I would just want to jump through my computer screen and punch the living shit out of you, dude! You stress everybody out too much with how you handle shit when everybody puts a lot of time and effort into what they say only for you to selfishly throw it away, dude! It really pisses me off that you would haphazardly say the shit to me that you just said to begin with because it’s shows that you have no regard for anybody’s time and effort that they put into writing something and you would just throw it away like it’s nothing! You shouldn’t even have the right to own a website with that attitude if you’re going to be an apathetic dickhead like that!
This is why you are unworthy and shouldn’t debate Patriot God or do much of anything in life until you can get your shitty brain sorted out with some kind of mental health treatment, dude! For real!
But until then, you need to stop this bullshit with you going around pompously acting like you are this “big patriotic freedom of speech supporter” when you are this fucking petty of a tyrannical bitch that will really censor somebody over “too many words” and being “off topic” when that is your retarded opinion and isn’t even true to begin with and even if it was, who the fuck cares! He has freedom of speech! I’m not a violent guy, but I can understand why those guys want to beat the shit out of you like they said that they do! And to be honest, by your attitude and apathy, you completely deserve it and probably even need it to break your stubborn ass out your bad behavior and to humble you!
We all know the kind of person that you really are, Frank! And deep down, I think you know that you’re a fraud too and that’s why you run and ignore people when they confront you about it and hide so that you don’t have to face your own soul! You just need to lay down all this shit and temporarily give this website over to somebody more competent than you and go get help so that your brain can work right for once and then you can talk about debating somebody who is much smarter than you ever will be anyways!
Ok, dude?!
Dude, I did not read your comment. It was way too long.
Yeah, I would pay money to see Patriot God and Frank debate! THAT WOULD BE AWESOME AND THE MOST ENTERTAINING THING THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN ON HERE! I’m sure most people on this website would! That would be epic! But if Frank is going to be this big of a petty little bitch and be a buzzkill by doing that bullshit, it ain’t going to be worth anything!
You will probably have to do it with somebody else or on another platform where Frank has no power to censor people and can’t abuse his unworthy authority anymore! That’s going to fuck the whole thing up! Frank can’t handle being in control of this and be fair! I will be pissed if he did that shit and we didn’t get to see Patriot God’s FULL RESPONSES! Frank is an asshole and a weak pussy to do something like that!
Alright Ginzo!
I have heard from the patriots that you want to debate me! I will debate you, Ginzo! However, we all know how big of an untrustworthy greaseball snake that you are! So I accept your challenge, BUT ON MY TERMS!
The terms are reasonable and if you don’t accept them and pledge an oath to follow them to the letter, I will take my crown and deem you as genetically incompetent to debate!
Here they are:
1. You will NOT under any circumstances shorten, edit, or refuse to post any of my replies UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! You will let me use my freedom of speech that you OWE ME as I please! NO EXCEPTIONS!
2. You will read ALL OF MY REPLIES and answer them line by line in the debate and you will not beat around the bush like you usually do!
3. You are NOT the judge and WILL NOT decide the victor! The victor will be decided patriotically and that means by vote! I will draw up the conditions that will be necessary for every single reader’s vote to actually qualify as a vote and everybody who doesn’t meet those conditions, their vote will not count! These qualifications will also be fair! This will be done because there are a lot of idiots on here that will just vote for their favorite person and that isn’t fair! They will vote wisely and with complete unbiasedness and by facts (no matter how subjectively offensive the facts appear to them) or they will not vote at all!
4. You will post up ALL posts of mine and the other patriots on ALL of the articles that you have neglected to do and broke your word a while back like you promised me and you will do it BEFORE THE DEBATE! NO EXCUSES!
5. You will STOP censoring everybody’s free speech on here PERMANENTLY no matter who the victor is! NO EXCEPTIONS! NO EXCUSES!
These are my terms, Ginzo!
NO BULLSHIT! NO EXCEPTIONS! NO GAMES FROM YOU!
[CONSEQUENCES]: Failure to comply to all these terms will be considered cheating and will result in a forfeit for you and a loss of victory for you as well and you will be deemed too big of a worthless nigger to debate and I automatically win because of you cheating and violating the rules!
These are my terms, Ginzo and they are FAIR! THERE IS NO COMPRISE OR AMENDS THAT I WILL MAKE TO IT!
SO TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT!
If you do choose to leave it, then the consequences stated above will fall upon you and you will have forfeited this debate and be automatically declared the loser!
Make your choice, Ginzo!
I’ll think about it and get back to you.
“Dude, I did not read your comment. It was way too long.”
Yeah, be careful with Ginzo’s genetically inferior brain! Too many intelligent words might blow a circuit! What a dumb fucking monkey Ginzo is! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
“Dude, I did not read your comment. It was way too long.”
‘Yeah, be careful with Ginzo’s genetically inferior brain! Too many intelligent words might blow a circuit! What a dumb fucking monkey Ginzo is! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂’
It’s a very said day when I am forced to agree with such a horrible person as Patriot God Fan who is practically second in command next to Patriot God himself in his increasingly large cult!
Though I seem to be losing more and more respect for Frank every single and my eyes are opening up more and more to how big of a sorry ass human being that he is, I’ll leave out the ‘genetically inferior’ part in regards to race that you are implying!
While it is starting to seem more and more that Frank may indeed have some kind of genetical abnormality that makes him this mentally retarded and slow, I’m not going to blame it on his race like you do!
Not going there! I know better than that! Sorry!
Frank is just a mentally incompetent asshole! That’s as far as I am going with this!
No need to read this.
As long as the Bronfman sisters and the rest of the cult scum defendants have to spend time and money defending themselves and worrying about the consequences of their actions, this lawsuit is a force for good in the world. It gives them less time and fewer resources to wreck havoc.
How fast or slow will this case move along?
What timelines for potential various stages?
IMO: with a Trump appointed judge I’d imagine he’s more business/corporate focused, anti-lawsuit, anti-judgement etc. But I’m just guessing? What is history in cases like this?
This is not accurate. A brand is physical damage.
What do you care if there is a civil case, Frank? This is America. This is our legal system. They may have a case for damages. They may not. Let the lawyers sort it out.
But this one case is not going to make or break the civil court system no matter what you or the dead-enders preach.
It should be welcomed by you and the cult loyalists. More information is more information in a legal setting. Let the testimony under oath take place. Let it all come out. It’s a wonderful setting to discern more truth.
And the truth is always fair, right?
The truth is always fair. I am following this case, and that’s part of our system too.
“Dude, I did not read your comment. It was way too long.”
‘Yeah, be careful with Ginzo’s genetically inferior brain! Too many intelligent words might blow a circuit! What a dumb fucking monkey Ginzo is! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂’
It’s a very said day when I am forced to agree with such a horrible person as Patriot God Fan who is practically second in command next to Patriot God himself in his increasingly large political philosophy cult!
Though I seem to be losing more and more respect for Frank every single day and my eyes are opening up more and more to how big of a sorry ass human being that he is, I’ll leave out the ‘genetically inferior’ part in regards to race that you are implying!
While it is starting to seem more and more that Frank may indeed have some kind of genetical abnormality that makes him this mentally retarded and slow, I’m not going to blame it on his race like you do!
Not going there! I know better than that! Sorry!
Frank is just a mentally incompetent asshole! That’s as far as I am going with this!
The money – more than $3.5 million – will be paid to 21 victims – from a $6 million payment that Clare Bronfman made as part of her plea bargain.
It is not clear what will happen to the other nearly $3 million. We will try to find out.
“The sum includes $2,500 for each branded woman. That’s the cost of surgically removing the brands.”
The brand is damage caused by members of DOS at the orders of Keith. What is the connection to the Bronfmans? You saying “Well, they paid for NXIVM” isn’t enough to make them culpable. There has to be more connective tissue than being the bank.
It’s like saying you are responsible because you gave a guy $100, he used it to buy a gun and killed someone while robbing a store so you should be sued for the murder. There has to be more. Like say the homeless guy said “I want $100 to buy a gun and rob a place” and your response was “Sure, guns are great, and I hate that store.” Well now we’ve got connective tissue. You knew the money was going to be used for illegal purposes and gave it up anyway.
It’s getting tiresome how people do not understand that. It’s not that hard a concept to grasp. If you can connect the Bronfmans to the branding, then great, I am sure Glaser would love that. An email perhaps talking about it, a bill they paid creating the branding where they knowingly were aware of its purpose, things like that.
The Bronfmans giving Keith millions to create and grow NXIVM as he saw fit simply isn’t enough proof. How he spent the money isn’t on them unless they had to sign off on those expenses frequently and if so, there should be a paper trail. By all accounts, that was not the case. As typical of most cults, he was king and the king does not get permission on how he spends his kingdom’s gold.
You can hate NXIVM all day long, and come up with examples all day long of how NXIVM sucks. Few (guess ~12) will argue with it but for this case to be worth boffo bucks, each and every time you have to be able to draw a line to the Bronfmans in some way that isn’t just “…in the beginning they gave Keith millions.” The more direct connections can make to the Bronfmans’ the stronger the case, the more money to be had. It’s a real simple equation.